Nicktoons vs the Network Part 3

[@mediamementosofficial]

To clarify, this was in production before Quiet on Set was released. If you’re wondering if I’ll cover that someday, the answer is probably not. Too many people have spoken about the issues already. Anything I’d make would just be echoing what everyone else says. I can’t add anything new to the discussion. Anyways, thanks for watching!

[@magnetoonproductions9541]

I know what you mean. Don’t wanna follow the crowd.

[@ZeOHKay]

Totally fair.

[@ArtieRaccoonReviews]

You should still discuss it at a later date when the general public enters the "forget and move on" phase.

[@HellfireJerk]

Well if you can't do quiet on set, how about noggin? Hint, hint: 15:05

[@witcherstudios9351]

While it isn’t a show per-se, I absolutely loved the Nicktoons Animated Film Festival. It was so cool seeing all those shorts from different animators and even countries be shown.

[@CJBStudios]

I really don’t think Nickelodeon will ever learn at this point, especially given that _SpongeBob SquarePants_ and _The Loud House_ are still going on. That being said, I actually did grow up with NickToons Network back in the day when it was still around. Edit: I love the splat effect at 0:37 btw.

[@baileymaloney3595]

My thoughts exactly. Also, given that Nickelodeon has made spin-offs to SpongeBob SquarePants, Nickelodeon is never going to let SpongeBob go. It’s near equivalent to SEGA making Sonic Boom as a spin-off to Sonic the Hedgehog. However, unlike Nickelodeon, SEGA realized that Sonic Boom was doomed to fail. So, they turned around and made games for the main Sonic the Hedgehog franchise: such as Sonic Forces.

[@CJBStudios]

@@baileymaloney3595 Oh, hey Bailey! It’s been quite a while seeing you pop up on this channel. How’re ya doin’?

[@I_WANT_MY_SLAW]

That's because Spongebob Squarepants isn't just "a show." That's like saying Spiderman is just a comic book. Spongebob is an IP. It spans multiple shows, movies, toys, books, games, apparel, etc. And that'd where Nick makes it money. From the merchandising, not the show itself. And that's the case with all cartoons. The shows themselves don't bring in nearly as much money as you would think. It's the merchandise that makes franchises like Spongebob, Dora, Paw Patrol, Simpsons bring home the bacon, and generate over a billion dollars in revenue every year.

[@sorenthefilmbrony]

You know Nickelodeon doesn't give two s**ts about Making Fiends when you can easily find uploads of the episodes on KZbin.

[@DrewtheStew1999]

Exactly. Nickelodeon aka the let’s sue KZbin company, probably didn’t even register the series in the takedown system like most of their other shows.

[@kitleecaplinger2987]

Sad but I hope Amy get her show back

[@CarpettinginMotel.townson]

@@kitleecaplinger2987she’s moved on, sadly.

[@Walid-mk4jo]

@TheCowofideas Aww godamn it that's really sad...

[@cro-magnoncarol4017]

"IT"S MY IP TO SIT ON & DO NOTHING WITH!!!" - Smiling Friends

[@magnetoonproductions9541]

Nickelodeon is going down and frankly, it’s well-earned considering all they’ve done in the past. Unless they can find something to save themselves, they’re permanently screwed. It’s a shame though, because their spin off channels were a lot of fun in the early years.

[@tristanmichels5721]

A new Media Mementos video always makes me happy. This is one of those days.

[@dustinsimoneau4780]

I didn't have digital cable, but Nicktoons was part of the rotation of previewed channels along with G4, ADV's Anime Network, and Boomerang. For favorite show, I guess Kappa Mikey since the scene of Gonard going "pirate! Piiiiirate! (Blows conch shell) lives in my mind rent free. As for the most screwed over, easily both Wolverine and Making Fiends.

[@jamalvargas6146]

Throughout The 2010's I Mostly Watched Nicktoons Network from Power Rangers reruns ( basically how Power Rangers RPM became my favorite season) Dragon Ball Z Kai (a show I don't like but RIP Akira Toriyama) and Huntik which was part of the Winx Club Acquisition by Nickelodeon

[@baileymaloney3595]

Nickelodeon is quite a network where they only care about SpongeBob SquarePants, and even The Loud House; as well as Rugrats and The Fairly OddParents. Other shows that don’t get a fair shot were thrown out the window, it’s like they’ll never be good enough for the network itself. What would it be like if Nickelodeon, or any network in general, were more fair to their shows and treat them with equal respect? As for my favorite Nicktoons Network originals, that would be both Kappa Mikey and Making Fiends. The latter is the show, I believe, was mistreated the most by the network.

[@LeafRazorStorm]

You know, I actually didn't have cable when "Making Fiends" first aired, but it was 2008 and digital streaming was the hot new thing, so I was able to watch all six episodes as they came out through the official website of.... The N. Yeah, Nickelodeon had NO IDEA how to sell that show or which audience to target. It was comical.

[@punkysnarks]

The Edgar and Ellen book series is actually a LOT darker than the show will tell you. Their lack of parents is clearly addressed, they get evicted from their home, Pet falls deathly ill, and the twins themselves face death multiple times. Such a shame that the books never got their conclusion due to the death of the author.

[@BrennySpain]

It’s so stupid how the Rugrats reboot from 2021 was originally a Paramonut+ originally, got removed from the platform and is now airing on Nicktoons. That’s go no to get cancelled after 3 seasons. I can see it coming a mile away as sad as it is to hear.

[@CosmicSponge2004]

Random fact about Nicktoons, From what I can find in Vimeo, Three Delivery was also made in Widescreen (as was the other originals except for kappa mikey and making fiends) but since all the rips online are from TV recordings due to a lack of DVDs we don't really see much of it. I find that pretty interesting

[@KawikaProductions]

That's amazing!

[@charlotteroot442]

Techcally making fiends is actually the only official nicktoon.

[@gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090]

Holy shit I was just thinkin about Edgar and Ellen about a week ago, it used to be on Netflix and I watched it a bit then.

[@ThatGuyBrian]

Trivial detail, but I can recall the two-parter pilot for Speed Racer: The Next Generation also airing on Nick (in addition to Edgar & Ellen and Kappa Mikey). Granted, that was right around the same time the pilot premiered on Nicktoons, so I don't know if it fits the same pattern ("born on Nicktoons, transplanted to Nickelodeon and quickly canned"), but I figured it'd be a fun little factoid to include.

[@joshuahecht6866]

There are two paths down which Nickelodeon will have to choose. Its salvation or its destruction.

[@joeybaseball7352]

they bring in billions in revenue every year for it's parent company. It's doing just fine.

[@ArtieArchives]

Meanwhile Nickelodeon, MTV, and Comedy Central spam the same 2 or 3 shows all day long

[@joeybaseball7352]

@@ArtieArchives because Nick is more than just shows. It's a brand. The brand had much bigger presence in the 90s, in terms of nick-related merchandise, not attached to any show. The Nick brand was so strong back then, that'd all the needed. One of my biggest criticisms about the Nick brand today (besides the atrocious logo design change, thats my biggest criticism by far), is that they let their brand become so weak. You can't buy a piece of Nick merch without it being slapped with characters from all their past nicktoons on it. And it's just awful. They never, ever did that in the 90s. But that's what happens when they decided to ruin their own logo, and destroy their brand with an awful logo.

[@ArtieArchives]

@@joeybaseball7352 So that's your excuse for Viacom's godawful schedules?

[@joeybaseball7352]

@@ArtieArchives because you have yo understand in 2024, who is actually watching live television? Why would they? It doesn't matter what they put on the channel. Nobody is watching it. Back in the 90s, things were different. But now, brand identity doesn't mean anything to viacom anymore. And that goes for all of them. They completely took all their chips, and bet on streaming. They said to hell with brand identity.

[@windmillmedia7555]

Three Marvel shows on one channel? I know FF:WGH originated on Cartoon Network, didn’t know it was on Nicktoons. Yeah, I never got Nicktoons, just watched it whenever it happened to be on somewhere else. As such, as I was getting into superheroes in the late 2000’s, I didn’t have access to any of their superhero shows, Honestly, they should’ve just aired them on regular Nickelodeon. Speaking of Marvel, any chance we could get a Spectacular Spider-Man video?

[@masterplay148]

This was a great episode to start vs the network 2024 and a great conclusion of the nicktoons trilogy. I think kappa Mikey had such great potential to be a hit. Nice to see that it’s a bit of a cult classic.

[@higbeeproductions2340]

Did you know Nickelodeon is trying to sue the company who made the documentary that was made about them

[@lastmonarchistproduction_253]

The discovery channel

[@jskywalker58]

oh yeah that will definitely fix their reputation

[@BrennySpain]

Jordan Fringe actually covered some of the shows on his channel a few years ago. Edgar and Ellen and Three Delivery. Never heard about the latter until he did that video.

[@joshuagoforth1658]

I absolutely adored kappa Mikey and still do

[@AJPiersonToonParadise]

Yeah, me too.

[@Montythegold]

Me three

[@jacobsunday6561]

Kind of funny a multi-billion dollar company can’t support or afford to produce a series. A whole lot of potential that these series had was wasted being stuck behind a premium cable paywall

[@Yediguy9432]

Every time Nick does something to screw over a show I just call it a Nickelodeon Moment.

[@squirrelchip]

about the streaming case, i wonder if you're gonna make a vs. the network with warner bros/hbo max, but since everyone has already talked about this case, i dont think it's gonna be necessary

[@ArtieArchives]

4:30 Wasn't FatKat the studio that animated the G4TV version of Happy Tree Friends?

[@KawikaProductions]

Correct! They have clips from that show on their KZbin animation reel.

[@KawikaProductions]

I first watched Nicktoons Network at my grandparents’ house. My favorite things to watch were reruns of Avatar TLA and Kappa Mikey. I also loved the Animation Festival shorts too. We also watched it alongside Nick GAS - which was so legendary! That had reruns of Nick game shows & original commercials.

[@DrewtheStew1999]

I hope we as Masters of Fate can have more Vs the Network videos get made. Now that videos are only decided by Patreon subscribers, it’s up to us!

[@Dogman2605]

Vs the network is back!! Whoooo

[@ryancarless7921]

Nice video, I used to watch all of these shows but I think Kappa Mikey and Making Fiends were my favorites

[@kitleecaplinger2987]

The show making fiend was mess up the most but I love it

[@clockwerk35]

I was hoping you'd talk about Edgar and Ellen, and you didn't disappoint. That show was very unique and intriguing; it wasn't innovative nor particularly funny, but it was intriguing. Love the twins as well as Pet and Heimmertz. I was also an avid visitor to the IP's own website (it's been defunct for decades now, though you can still find it through thewaybackmachine). But what kept the show popular was the book series the show was based on. I read all of the books and even bought all of the ones in the Nodyssey arc. It's a shame that the books never got to continue. Its very strange that what partly killed the series was copyright concerns; not sure how that's possible.

[@BrennySpain]

I own Wolverine and the X-Men on DVD. The complete series I mean. I like it a lot.

[@YoursTrulyHero]

I feel like kappa Mikey could have become something big when it was suppose to come out. Anime was getting big around that time and lot of shows later down the line were either taking inspiration from anime like xiaolin showdown and teen titans while others were parodying it like the south park episode fun times with weapons. All having a lot of fans.

[@nateleeper9455]

You thought Nicktoons network was bad. What about long forgotten six nickelodeon channel NickGAS nickelodeon games and sport for kids were literally nothing ever happened

[@KawikaProductions]

It had a lot of great shows (in rerun form) and original commercials. When I was younger, I would watch that channel at my Grandparents house while also playing on the N64. I also watched Nick Gas and Boomerang.

[@gcm0rais]

1. Wolverine and X-Men (alongside Ironman: Armored Adventures and The Spectacular Spider-Man, the second of which not airing on Nicktoons, but on parent channel The CW) was canned not because of Nickelodeon. Right after the conclusion of the first season, Marvel got bought by Disney. One thing to keep in mind is that this show was made by Marvel Animation, with no direct production involvement from Fox, but with close-involvement in order to cross-promote the franchise on every media (in this case, with X-Men Origins: Wolverine, both the horrid movie and Raven’s amazing game). When Disney bought Marvel, although having to continue to cooperate with both Paramount and Viacom until the end of MCU’s phase 1, the ultimately gave up on the ideia to bring 20th Century Fox (who owned the rights for the X-men, Fantastic Four and Daredevil titles), Columbia (who owned the rights for Spider-Man and Punisher titles) and Universal (who owned the rights for Hulk titles) to cooperate with their shared universe initiative, and got so far as to unpromote movies and characters altogether. And Wolverine and the X-Men was caught in such conflict, due to the series pushing really hard toward the public who watched the 20th Century Fox’s made X-Men movies (as did The Spectacular Spider-Man and the canned Daredevil related cartoon)

[@magnetoonproductions9541]

On the bright side, at least the original shows are made by indie studios. That way, they can be protected from bad live action movies and lousy reboots.

[@nostalgiamostalgia0319]

Nick’s reputation might not recover given certain recent events.

[@champion1859]

Give a quick summary

[@ZeOHKay]

​​@@champion1859 Documentary series called "Quiet on Set" came out recently, about the dark dealings going on behind the scenes of various kids shows from the 90s and 2000s. One episode was about Nickelodeon and specifically, Dan Schenider and Brian Peck. It was not pretty, to say the least.

[@nostalgiamostalgia0319]

@@champion1859they also removed so many exclusive shows from paramount plus.

[@joeybaseball7352]

@@nostalgiamostalgia0319 have you been living under a rock? Hollywood has always been sleazy. Just like the politicians in Washington DC, and just like literally everywhere else in the world.

[@eds10blue79]

This channel is basically a lottery on what video becomes a hit or not XD

[@TheChrisHype]

Wolverine and the X-Men broke my heart.

[@jaygregg9376]

VS THE NETWORK IS BAAAAAAACK

[@BrennySpain]

Corneil and Bernie is massively underrated too.

[@rickshabusky4553]

You should do a history video on la crisis carnivora

[@ArtieArchives]

10:45 Then why didn't Viacom put it on the more animation-focused Comedy Central? Would've fit side by side with Drawn Together

[@tyrannozilla]

Speaking of Nick, I think it'd be cool if you talked about 100 Deeds for Eddie McDowd.

[@rafaelbrites3607]

This network was never aired in Brazil, but some of his show aired here like kappa Micke on nick, but others like Ricky sprocket, Edgar and Ellen aired on Cartoon network or the secret show on Jetix.

[@AJSSPACEPLACE]

14:03 Ok, i need a citation for that! last i heard, Nick still had the rights. Please clarify where you found information saying she got them back.

[@mediamementosofficial]

I see that she’s posted some Making Fiends content since the show came out. That’s why I said that it seemed like it in an unsure way. Because I’m not sure. I’m only going off the specials Amy has made in the last few years.

[@AJSSPACEPLACE]

@@mediamementosofficial Thanks.

[@jaggerguth4391]

Cartoon Network is the Nice network, Nickelodeon is the Evil Network, and Disney is the In-between.

[@tc7793]

I wouldn't say Disney is the nice network when they were the ones who hired director Victor Salva when he was fresh out of prison after raping a 12 year old on one of his movies.

[@masterplay148]

Cartoon Network is actually super nice.

[@JuanGomez-ke5py]

Cartoon Network give it the old college try if it didn't work

[@masterplay148]

@@JuanGomez-ke5py what does that mean?

[@majamystic256]

CN was nice in 90s and early-mid 00s slipped a bit in the late 00s (CN real era) Got back to nice status in the early-mid 10s and then started to fall off again after that (The TTG yellow wall, shows ending, and shows getting canceled too early)

[@iceangele14]

Now you opened my nostalgic box of memories i just remembered you should talk about the nicktoons shorts now! Like spider and fly and doodlez i wanna know what theyre history is 😂 lol Also my fave nicktoon that just disappeared was kaput and zosky and yakitty yak like remember that show??

[@angelinacamacho8575]

here in latin america edgar and ellen was a cartoon network show and was pretty successful.

[@Walid-mk4jo]

Man nickelodeon does have a BIIIIIIIIIIG habit of fumbling the bad so hard with all of their shows am I right?!

[@bullmonty764]

13:10 I’ve been spreading this story everywhere so please endure it. In my opinion Making Fiends now has some company, maybe even competition, in terms of “most mistreated Nick show.” And that company is called Zokie of Planet Ruby. The show was green lit in 2021, only for Nick to sit on it for nearly three years before being dumped on Prime Video with absolutely *nothing* in terms of promotion, not even an announcement. Just screw you and, by the way, screw you! Time to write you off! This treatment is just plain evil, and all because the main character is a girl. And by the way, that girl, named Ruby Studebaker, is absolutely precious to me but I will concede that you may not feel the same so let’s agree to disagree

[@nnamditube6477]

Actually boomerang tried doing originals and failed doing the same reason

[@nicwinsteadart5330]

Australia for Nickolodeon

[@TheiTechKid]

hi

[@mechajay3358]

I didn't mind that Wolverine and the X-Men was cancelled. I found it to be one of the more subpar adaptations of the X-Men series.

[@PRAYERS4KIRBY]

CN🔛🔝

[@stephaniecabrera-o8l]

Disney Channel

[@DrewtheStew1999]

No this is about Nicktoons Network.

[@joeybaseball7352]

This network was, and is, boring. It wasn't Nick. There no reason to watch it. There was nothing special about the network, and barely anybody had it. All the network did was just play shows. There was no pizzazz. There was no Slime Time Live, or U-Pick Live to keep kids glued. Back in those days, you couldn't pry me away from my tv, when slime time was on. Nicktoons also came out during the same time DVD was at it's height. Particularly TV shows on DVD. So there was no need to watch reruns of these shows, when you could watch them on DVD. And netflix soon started going the streaming route. And before they took all of their content off netflix and put it on paramount, netflix had all of these shows.