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With a team of thirty-five people, Shadow of the Colossus began development in 2002 under the project name "Nico" and was intended to be a direct sequel to Ico.[2][35] The name "Nico" itself is a portmanteau of the Japanese word ni (二; "two") and "Ico".[2] An early technology demo for the project shown at the DICE Summit in 2003 depicted a group of masked, horned boys riding horses while attacking and defeating a colossus.[2][35] However, Fumito Ueda expressed that, at the time, it was simpler to reuse the character design of Ico's protagonist, and that he never explicitly desired a sequel to Ico.[36] Japanese pre-orders of Shadow of the Colossus later included a bonus DVD with the concept video, a trailer describing Nico's plot, and an introduction the development team states they wanted to use in Shadow of the Colossus. [wikipedia]

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@TheSciFiCat
@TheSciFiCat 15 жыл бұрын
I love how the final game turned out, it really was a landmark that will be remembered for many years to come. You can really tell how the colossi designs improved a lot on the final product.
@AncientCityMusic
@AncientCityMusic 4 жыл бұрын
Damn this comment is old.
@spy3s938
@spy3s938 4 жыл бұрын
11 years old i did not exist then
@CooperativoInsano
@CooperativoInsano 3 жыл бұрын
>a landmark that will be remembered for many years to come. This aged very, very well.
@nathan-3281
@nathan-3281 3 жыл бұрын
Oh Man.....
@macafromthewired
@macafromthewired 3 жыл бұрын
@@spy3s938 be careful on the internet bro
@attackofthecopyrightbots
@attackofthecopyrightbots 3 жыл бұрын
The fact that this was a pitch trailer for "premise of sotc but as an mmo on the ps2" is fucking amazing and i want to live in the universe where it exists
@boussalembahaeddine815
@boussalembahaeddine815 5 жыл бұрын
"Ueda: Yeah. It was made by me, a designer from ICO, and a team of about 10 animators. "
@steelcurtain187
@steelcurtain187 2 жыл бұрын
I love how good this looked even early on and how the basic gist of the game and mechanics didn’t change much. Such a masterpiece
@THElegendOFhaloMARIO
@THElegendOFhaloMARIO 8 жыл бұрын
Nico! Want to go bowling?
@nicokitty5522
@nicokitty5522 3 жыл бұрын
Sure
@Agent4403
@Agent4403 2 жыл бұрын
It all adds up now Ico and GTA IV are in the same universe but that's just a theory a game theory
@nicolas6059
@nicolas6059 2 ай бұрын
Yeah!
@simeaoRosa-pc5yh
@simeaoRosa-pc5yh Ай бұрын
Nooooooooooo
@Fragnet
@Fragnet 15 жыл бұрын
the beauty of this is that you can actually perform all of the moves the characters in the video made, in-game.
@jasonfenton8250
@jasonfenton8250 Жыл бұрын
>Rides into desert >Kills giant bull >Refuses to elaborate >Leaves
@RunLikeHellIV
@RunLikeHellIV 16 жыл бұрын
Man I love this game :D Look closely, the big bridge is in the background toward the end ;)
@jairocolombo4410
@jairocolombo4410 3 жыл бұрын
1:24 apears too
@wesleyfilms
@wesleyfilms 15 жыл бұрын
I like how this epic battle ends with them riding off into the sun set. Man you don't see many games like SotC anymore...
@LuxwingGo
@LuxwingGo 17 жыл бұрын
It's crazy how the actual game differs so much from this original trailer. :3 This is still my favorite battle song.
@Ni3r_s4
@Ni3r_s4 10 жыл бұрын
2:49 si ven bien a lo lejos se nota el puente del castillo de Dormin...
@sebastianjaldn3538
@sebastianjaldn3538 7 жыл бұрын
Gael Pedernera este juego es shadow of the colosus
@user-gz8ki9hy6q
@user-gz8ki9hy6q 5 жыл бұрын
sebastian Jaldn Exacto. Por eso mismo.
@Pegaso-ot8us
@Pegaso-ot8us 4 жыл бұрын
Posiblemente este coloso era el más fácil de encontrar
@devpunk93
@devpunk93 14 жыл бұрын
i don't knw why but i kinda find this game otherworldly...its so different... so mysterious... i wonder if there exist place like that shown in the game somewhere out there...
@hylarious17
@hylarious17 7 жыл бұрын
Project Ico - Ico Project Nico - Shadow Of The Colossus Project Trico - The Last Guardian Did you see that? They all have a Ico And they are all progressing by one letter Idk what it means but its kinda cool! Peace! 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
@helenhomunculus5044
@helenhomunculus5044 7 жыл бұрын
Ico - Ichi Nico - Ni Trico - Tri? Idk
@Gabriel2Silva
@Gabriel2Silva 6 жыл бұрын
RM Hynie I remember reading somewhere back at the time that it was something like this ICO (original) NICO (new ico) TRICO (third ico) It was amongst the infinite theories and stuff back when The Last Guardian was in development hell.
@Johny-the-zzz
@Johny-the-zzz 6 жыл бұрын
Japan peeps are smart, they probably have a plan for more games like shadow of the colossus and even a multiplayer, and who knows maybe those 1st letters mean something in the end when those other games are created, I just really want to understand the story of shadow if the colossus and how its connected with last guardian and ico
@DollRyougi
@DollRyougi 4 жыл бұрын
Project yonko
@shmookins
@shmookins 4 жыл бұрын
The fourth game would be Geico. It can save you 15 min. or more!
@BATASHALACKA
@BATASHALACKA 15 жыл бұрын
Silently one of the greatest games ever made
@17Haru17
@17Haru17 9 жыл бұрын
^ Why Monster Hunter needs horses.
@DrStoCazzo
@DrStoCazzo 3 жыл бұрын
Now you get doggos instead of horses in rise
@willieko
@willieko 17 жыл бұрын
i wouldnt mind seeing a SOTC sequel with a multiplayer mode, i can imagine that being pretty damned epic
@spy3s938
@spy3s938 4 жыл бұрын
Omg 13 years!!!
@MrWood-pw8nn
@MrWood-pw8nn 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry but your wish has not been granted and I suffer with you
@willieko
@willieko 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrWood-pw8nn Let's check back in another 13 years
@mooulkadi8129
@mooulkadi8129 3 жыл бұрын
@@willieko ngl this is my first time seeing a comment over 10 years old on yt, gj
@willieko
@willieko 3 жыл бұрын
​@@mooulkadi8129 Pls don't look for an even older one. This is the most special thing I've ever been a part of
@MrDibara
@MrDibara 3 жыл бұрын
Although the final product is in my opinion the better deal by a WIDE margin, I do think this initial concept for the game was interesting in and on itself. So after Ico, horned boys would no longer be sent to some castle in the mist for sacrifice, but would eventually have become a badass equestrian and nomadic tribe hunting down these giant beasts wandering the steppes? You gotta admit, that's a cool concept! Of course, I can't envision a dramatic story with this kind of setting, at least not one nearly as good as Shadow of the Colossus ended up having. The twisting idea that the monsters are not the bad guys but you are is brilliant, yet I don't see how they could've developed it with this premise. Maybe that's why Ueda decided to change it afterwards. I say good call on his part.
@oceandubsucks
@oceandubsucks 15 жыл бұрын
The guy who made this video game is a real genius. MY favorite game out of all systems.
@TheQuadratus
@TheQuadratus 14 жыл бұрын
....and a legend start.
@JordanWilliams_Link7702
@JordanWilliams_Link7702 6 жыл бұрын
This needs to be a real online thing
@Silarias
@Silarias 16 жыл бұрын
that's pretty cool; i've only seen screenshots of this video before. They did such an awesome job on the horses (and everything else lol).
@NipplesMagee
@NipplesMagee 17 жыл бұрын
HEY PEOPLE HERE'S MY 2 THEORIES ON THE 17th Colossus.. 1.Just before you fight the 4th one(The one with the Pointy feet)Look around for a passage leading downwards into a Canyon and look around carefully...Note:BEFORE THE MATCH OR YOU CAN TRY IT AFTER... 2.Climb to the Top of the Temple and there is a MASSIVE Hole in the Ground...Get the Cloth of Desparation and Fly down there..Note:Someone told me it led straight back to the room with the Statues. TRY IT OUT!!!!
@engso.arthur
@engso.arthur 2 жыл бұрын
it's been 14 years since your comment. how ya doing man? are you still alive?
@im22sonofadracula32
@im22sonofadracula32 Жыл бұрын
Man i only 6 in 2007 are you still alive bro💀
@metalemissary416
@metalemissary416 Жыл бұрын
I'll try it 👍
@webber1991
@webber1991 17 жыл бұрын
I would still love this game if it looked like that now.
@octavioxs
@octavioxs 16 жыл бұрын
yes you're right, that's one of the facts of why is a piece of art.
@viperman240
@viperman240 16 жыл бұрын
That was epic, Makes me feel like play SoTC again
@lookitsmon
@lookitsmon 16 жыл бұрын
If they do a SotC sequel, or even just a remake for the PS3, multiplayer is what I most want to see. That would be amazing.
@BGAMESBrasil
@BGAMESBrasil 3 жыл бұрын
This trailer is so cool,but sorry old Quadratus! Thanks for sharing this vídeo! Assistindo novamente este vídeo no final de 2020,ele e muito legal!
@cyborgtroy
@cyborgtroy 15 жыл бұрын
I like the free-roaming colossi idea here. The final SOTC feels so artificial, with the colossi trapped in their arenas.
@user-ho6tb6lq6f
@user-ho6tb6lq6f 4 жыл бұрын
great idea
@Netwirq2
@Netwirq2 15 жыл бұрын
The soundtrack to this game sounds like something that should be in a movie. Its sounds good.
@gemergamingyes
@gemergamingyes 2 жыл бұрын
damn it. everyone's commenting this on old earlier days.
@awsomeDualshock
@awsomeDualshock 11 жыл бұрын
Proof that they creators tried to make links from Shadow of the Colossus to Ico :D Similar names, Wander becomes a horned baby, Ico is a horned child, I think they take place in the same universe!
@sEEE724
@sEEE724 4 жыл бұрын
And at the end wander opens those gates with the lights from his sword, like how Yorda would part the statues and how ico parted them with the queens sword at the end
@zezuntxiduntxi
@zezuntxiduntxi 15 жыл бұрын
ico and Sotc are masterpieces for sure!
@Sr.PaulistaDeMagalhaes
@Sr.PaulistaDeMagalhaes 4 жыл бұрын
1:19 melhor parte dessa música épica para um cacete quem concorda deixa like.
@athos9293
@athos9293 3 жыл бұрын
Será que, nesse ponto, todas as músicas já estavam tão completas assim?!?!
@Sr.PaulistaDeMagalhaes
@Sr.PaulistaDeMagalhaes 3 жыл бұрын
@@athos9293 Talvez não sei, mas é provável que só algumas já estavam prontas tipo a música tema da batalha do quadratus e basaran devia ter sido uma das primeiras músicas do jogo a serem compostas as outras devem ter vindo depois.
@drastic209562
@drastic209562 16 жыл бұрын
PS3 desperately needs a title like this to stay in the game. And i miss when japanese developers were on top.
@mandatorial
@mandatorial Жыл бұрын
I still want this game. If not by Ueda himself, I would love the Monster Hunter team to go in this direction of epicness. I think Elden Ring came closest.
@13thcolossi
@13thcolossi 16 жыл бұрын
that looks good even for an old beta version
@mspeter97
@mspeter97 11 жыл бұрын
released as Shadow of the Colossus, this video shows an early concept of the game
@037kondo
@037kondo 16 жыл бұрын
What would be an awesome online game would be to have humongous open world where thousands of players can join in at once. There would be hundreds colossal monsters roaming the world, and you can basically join in the fight whenever you want with other people.
@mileidyazuaje8761
@mileidyazuaje8761 4 жыл бұрын
No sé, pero ver esto me inspiró a dibujar :)
@lb003g0676
@lb003g0676 16 жыл бұрын
Will be, don't fret! The creative director recently said, we'll hear 'very soon'.
@GabrielSousa-il9id
@GabrielSousa-il9id 10 жыл бұрын
Um wander mata 20 desse Quadratus, e aí precisa de uns 3
@etdetopetecanalantigo2129
@etdetopetecanalantigo2129 7 жыл бұрын
Isso mesmo cara 20 e muito mais
@coreytrevor1920
@coreytrevor1920 3 жыл бұрын
Good lord this channel is a god send
@flaviaaraujo3502
@flaviaaraujo3502 7 жыл бұрын
alguém já parou pra pensar que essa pode ser a norte do dormim o.o
@weslleysardinha
@weslleysardinha 11 жыл бұрын
esse trailer era para ser continuação de ico mais ocorreu algumas mudanças e virou Shadow of the colossus
@Smashbuttons
@Smashbuttons 14 жыл бұрын
I think I read somewhere that Fumito Ueda actually planned on having multiplayer just like in this prototype where you and your friends could take down colossi. I think the idea was scrapped though due to time constraints and the technical challenge. The Last Guardian is rumored to have some kind of online component to it, whether or not that is multiplayer, I'm interested in finding out soon.
@lb003g0676
@lb003g0676 16 жыл бұрын
Well on the 15th of Nomber, the Creative Director said in Japanese on the PS3 2nd anniversary 'Perhaps we can announce it very soon'. And it was scheduled to be revealed/announced in October. That's what I am talking about.
@Neonodex
@Neonodex 15 жыл бұрын
Just to play this game is to good masterpiece the surroundings is amazing. Of course i have played the first game the instant i saw it. "This is my game type and i wont get disappointed" this is amazing game 10/10 :D i want to be the guy in the game !
@OCCASIONGAMER
@OCCASIONGAMER 16 жыл бұрын
woah that colossus looks awesome!
@finden3362
@finden3362 3 жыл бұрын
Wow a comment from the time
@octavioxs
@octavioxs 16 жыл бұрын
in that moment the team ico didn't have the final idea of the game...so good they changed it..
@Paarzival9877
@Paarzival9877 7 ай бұрын
I would have preferred it to be the sequel to ICO. Given how things went, this video can now show the future of Colossus. The offspring of horned children.
@indie-cloud
@indie-cloud 16 жыл бұрын
This is what SotC was in the beginning. Then they only made one playable character and ditched the horn boys. :)
@Pandaoniman
@Pandaoniman 16 жыл бұрын
This was the idea behind SotC. It obviously changed as we have SotC today and not NICO. I wouldn't be surprised if they tried something along these lines with the third installment to the series though. I cant wait. :)
@kerarock
@kerarock 17 жыл бұрын
I really like more of the way the colossis' look like in the final game though :D But the idea that there are gang of those riders is kind a cool, but dont know how the story would then go.. Lonely rider idea is still so much more intensive and also legendary :D
@MrDibara
@MrDibara 3 жыл бұрын
I think they would have to change the story dramatically. One way I personally envision it is like this: These giant wandering mountains are the source of an ever increasing plague that's threatening all the plains and beyond. A plague of darkness. Shadowy forms (similar to the ones in Ico) start appearing in villages and camps at night, attacking anything and anyone. Those who don't die are dragged down into the shadowy abyss never to be seen again. While fighting them off is not impossible, it is never the solution, as the shadows simply return on the following night with the same numbers they did prieviously, regardless of how many of them you and your people dispatched prieviously. These nightmarish forms have their origins in gigantic beasts who seem made out of earth and stone. They wander the plains endlessly, never stopping, never sleeping, always moving from one camp to another, crushing anything that stands in their way. THAT is the source. The only way to trully push back the darkness is to fell these beasts. And so, you set out with your horse and whatever companions you can recruit along the way to hunt down these giants and spare the land of the clutches of darkness forever. There's more or less the initial summary of what the story could be like, or at least the start of it. But of course, we'd have to search for a way to add a twist to it, because as it is, I won't lie, it sounds hella generic. :P
@kerarock
@kerarock 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrDibara Wow, 13 year old comment that I don't remember just got big answer! This is crazy :D I may have to watch the video again to really remember what it is about though. Your answer sounds cool anyway, would play that game!
@im22sonofadracula32
@im22sonofadracula32 Жыл бұрын
@@kerarock are you still alive?
@kerarock
@kerarock Жыл бұрын
@@im22sonofadracula32 Still alive and sometimes even kicking :D
@im22sonofadracula32
@im22sonofadracula32 Жыл бұрын
@@kerarock man you a legend good to hear that👍
@lucasmonteiro4741
@lucasmonteiro4741 11 жыл бұрын
if you did not realise,that music is the SAME played in SOTC battles.
@cyborgtroy
@cyborgtroy 15 жыл бұрын
That was the point, you didn't have to mess around with any random encounters. It was kinda nice.
@xtherion00
@xtherion00 4 жыл бұрын
Reliquia
@AnemoiThuellai
@AnemoiThuellai 3 жыл бұрын
Just leaving my mark here... Apenas deixando minha marca aqui...
@wesleyfilms
@wesleyfilms 16 жыл бұрын
Its a sad day for colossi everywere.
@Diego1060
@Diego1060 16 жыл бұрын
Have you ever seen a horse up close...those things are huge.
@Charliem1994
@Charliem1994 11 жыл бұрын
It's true that if it existed it could have been something special.
@Werelion2367
@Werelion2367 14 жыл бұрын
@iownlol102 They might be, but then again, there are also people with horns and 200 feet tall colossus. The horses could have been bred specifically to have the stamina to help take down colossi.
@RunLikeHellIV
@RunLikeHellIV 16 жыл бұрын
Yep, it's coming. Google it, there's a screenshot of a chain out there somewhere.
@FavianTubeX
@FavianTubeX 15 жыл бұрын
yeah well what i really want is a game that connects the SOTC & ICO games officially. a bridge between the new games. good post
@KoziNaToMas
@KoziNaToMas 15 жыл бұрын
this is first vision of project. by the time, they thought that character's are too similar to "ICO" and they couldn't do co-op working.
@xyex
@xyex 16 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's been confirmed by the creator that SotC is prequel to Ico set some unknown time before Ico and that Wander is the start of the line of horned children. Then again, he's also said that that's only his impression of the story and it shouldn't be taken as absolute fact.
@Charliem1994
@Charliem1994 12 жыл бұрын
I'm personally not an online player myself but we never know, it could end up being a match made in heaven. Just like Journey, where you feel some sort of connection with the other player.
@fairkid15
@fairkid15 15 жыл бұрын
this was actually the first trailer for sotc, first presented as a sequel to ico. things sort of turned around and it ended up being a game that should come before ico. no, there won't be any multilayer sotc, as much as that would be awesome
@MrNobody47710
@MrNobody47710 17 жыл бұрын
Ueda felt that this direction was a little too obvious and decided to make a game that would tell us the origins of the line of horned boys.
@jynx2501
@jynx2501 14 жыл бұрын
@TheMysticWolfAura Found out, they are re-releasing Ico and SOTC for PS3. Called Ico Redux or something to that effect. It is gonna have both games, in full HD quality. $60, but I'm still gonna get them. release date was July 2010, couldn't find an exact date.
@wuslipknot
@wuslipknot 12 жыл бұрын
one thing on this demo is why the bridge is in good condition
@bleurice
@bleurice 15 жыл бұрын
It is a spiritual successor and a prequel to ICO.
@wesleyfilms
@wesleyfilms 16 жыл бұрын
Agro is a massive horse that a knight in shining armor would ride on with a massive sword blazing.
@murmillo42
@murmillo42 16 жыл бұрын
its the Idea behind Shadow of The Colossus this NICO was suppose to be a Direct Sequel of Ico but the makers decide to make Shadow of the Colossus which is a prequel to Ico.
@kawesh13
@kawesh13 15 жыл бұрын
lets all hold each others hands and pray that the second shadow of the colossus comes :D
@TheeFrogFather
@TheeFrogFather 10 жыл бұрын
This looks sick as hell. To bad it never came true.
@noodlesatemybaby
@noodlesatemybaby 8 жыл бұрын
+Änærchy GøD I think he means the multiplayer aspects buddy.
@booradleyfromthemovietokil1582
@booradleyfromthemovietokil1582 4 жыл бұрын
Personally I'm happy SotC ended up being single player.
@DastardlyBosko
@DastardlyBosko 17 жыл бұрын
this is just the concept video for Shadow of the Colossus. If anything, I think that SotC is a precurser to Ico and the Wanderer was just the first for the horned boys, who generations later, and considered to be cursed, and are put into the box things
@brianmetcalf6457
@brianmetcalf6457 12 жыл бұрын
well its past BETA,its turned into SOTC now its a masterpeice
@ornellasvinicius
@ornellasvinicius 3 жыл бұрын
Watching again
@jespero93
@jespero93 15 жыл бұрын
ive always wondered; what would shadow of the colossus be like with multiplayer ? not online but just co-op or something. and online if possible. imagine this : you are 4 players, and you face a giant colosus. maybe even bigger than in the original game, and you have to find different ways to kill him. you have to cooperate to take him down. that would be the most awesome game ever!
@DrAl3xe
@DrAl3xe 9 жыл бұрын
Nico nico n- ahum, sorry...
@nicokitty5522
@nicokitty5522 3 жыл бұрын
:3
@NpPro93
@NpPro93 15 жыл бұрын
NICO was just the working title for SotC, which is the prequel to ICO.
@finden3362
@finden3362 3 жыл бұрын
Quadratus still carries this 14 years old death animation
@vleos9325
@vleos9325 3 жыл бұрын
Damn, time flyes fast
@SupaTroll195
@SupaTroll195 15 жыл бұрын
I think multiplayer SotC wouldn't be as much of a masterpiece. It wouldn't have the same atmosphere as SotC. Being a lone hero, with just a horse with you. Then feeling overwhelmed when you fight a 200foot creature all by yourself. In a multiplayer SotC, the game wouldn't feel that way. Being with 3 other people slaying Colossi wouldn't feel as overwhelming.
@TombaFanatic
@TombaFanatic 16 жыл бұрын
Yes, at the moment some people are calling it Trico (since SotC was once Nico) We have absolutely no idea what it's about or even what it looks like, other than the chain the poster above me stated) I heard it will come out four years after SotC did since the developers took four years to make Ico and four years to make SotC. Of course that's all speculation.
@mkmaster99
@mkmaster99 16 жыл бұрын
I believe that is their intension for the new Ico project their working on. Their going to focus on Multiplayer and online gameing. So what you are seeing could be an image of things to come
@yoda2355
@yoda2355 Жыл бұрын
Goosebumps
@killzoneX13
@killzoneX13 15 жыл бұрын
omg...i just realized...THIS IS THE ORIGINAL DESIGn FOR SOTC. this design was scratched i heard. it showed a few horned boys hunting a colossus...
@razorback61
@razorback61 15 жыл бұрын
Totally agree, but i dunno about the RPG thing. I think it was one of those rare games that defys genre classification. Quite simply, it was a beautiful game, and it would be great if the released it on the PSN, like they did with Tekken 5.
@freefallhero
@freefallhero 17 жыл бұрын
Did anyone else notice that the sword that the one who killed the colossus used was the same sword from the actual SoTC??
@xXNickPXx
@xXNickPXx 15 жыл бұрын
Wow... awesome video. Very cool to see the original ideas.
@ibez07
@ibez07 14 жыл бұрын
wow,,its weird seeing ico in the shadow of the collossus universe,,,awesome
@cyborgtroy
@cyborgtroy 15 жыл бұрын
It was an early prototype of SOTC, they didn't finish developing it.
@EJuniorr02
@EJuniorr02 12 жыл бұрын
Makes all sense say that Shadow of the Colossus was a sequence for Ico. Fumito Ueda should have make things continue this way. Instead, he created a great mistery that maybe never be revealed. :(
@EricNinden
@EricNinden 18 жыл бұрын
SOTC has fantastic music. I have no idea what you're talking about.
@twistedsting
@twistedsting 15 жыл бұрын
yeah i figured so i hope this comes out more better than shadow of the colossus itself :D
@murmillo42
@murmillo42 16 жыл бұрын
You Know if Shadow of The Colossus had multiplayer this is what it would be like. Hmm that would be fun
@kjun13
@kjun13 14 жыл бұрын
I think it's still best when it's one on one. Multiple people would be too easy, I like to be able to say "i'm hundreds of times smaller than you, and I STILL kicked your ass!"
@lb003g0676
@lb003g0676 16 жыл бұрын
I am guessign we'll see some footage come February, if not then March, for GDC.
@lucasmonteiro4741
@lucasmonteiro4741 11 жыл бұрын
Sure. maybe what we've seen in the trailers is a beta, and the final game (if they will make the game) is totally different from what we saw.
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