Someone Stole My Octopus Cosy 6 Heat Pump! NOT

[@NicolasRaimo]

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[@David-bl1bt]

Hi Nicolas. You shouldn't need to justify your choice to anyone. You make some valid points but many of the perceived negatives are subjective. frankly, I've yet to see an attractive gas boiler! ...all just the bog standard white fridge looking box screwed to a wall. Heatpumps are also basically a white fridge looking box but on the floor, the cosy 6 is a breath of fresh air that's a departure from the norm and has at least is a unique design. I personally like it exactly because it is different....I'm not however a fan of the pink octopus emblazoned on the front, but at least that is removable. It can easily be made to be a feature by some artistic landscaping around it, I have seen a large pebble-shaped planter that would complement it perfectly, in fact, it looks to be made from a very similar, if not identical material. I have applied to Octopus to have the cosy 6 installed, I placed my deposit way back in January as soon as the order book opened and had my survey done in March, then waited...and waited...and waited...and now Octopus are throwing all sorts of obstacles in the way. I have spent weeks liaising with them. The issues were the proximity of a drain cover and a failure of the MCS 020 sound assessment, both of which I disputed. They resurveyed last week and conceded the drain cover issue as the cosy 6 does not interfere with access and as I pointed out is a sealed cover so there is no possibility of ingress of propane into the drain in the unlikely event of a leak. The remaining objection is the MCS sound level failure. Too much to go into detail here, but their calculation is flawed as the measurements that they are using for their calculation are inaccurate. I have spent some time today collating accurate measurements to submit to them along with my reworked MCS assessment, however, I cannot provide the full accurate data as I don't have the physical size of the cosy6. I have requested several times for Octopus to provide me with the tech specs and dimensional sizes of the cosy6 but they seem reluctant to do so. As a cosy6 owner (the only one that I know of) could you possibly help me out by providing the dimensions of the unit so I can compile accurate measurements for the MCS 020 assessment? Height, width and depth. I would be very grateful for your help in getting it over the line. I shall be following your cosy6 experience closely and, should I manage to eventually get mine installed, implement beneficial settings based upon your findings as well as contribute my experience too.

[@Japnut]

I've tried applying the code to my order but they are confused about this deal.

[@NicolasRaimo]

@@Japnut give them my name or email me via my website and I’ll help get it added for you

[@ipb1966]

The heat pump was not stolen. The title is 100% clickbait.

[@NicolasRaimo]

Literary said in first seconds of video

[@st200ol]

@@NicolasRaimoAh but by then we have already clicked. 😉

[@AMomentOut]

I'm with @ipb1996 on this one bud, poor choice in title.

[@AmazingOrange87]

@@st200olyep, usual tactic from KZbinrs with non-interesting content.

[@jparky1972]

Yep. Marked the video down for that reason alone. Sorry.

[@Birko64]

Yes I was at Sainsbury's checkout one day and pulled 2 tins of sardines out of my basket. The lad on the checkout remarked that he hated sardines, but I told him it was ok because I was buying them for me.

[@NicolasRaimo]

Commenting my neighbours might not like it is a bit like saying they don’t like the look of my car on my driveway

[@eastrenewables]

watched the first few seconds, not been stolen, opened an item not as described case, moved on to next video

[@NicolasRaimo]

Thanks for engagement as well as the click

[@eastrenewables]

@@NicolasRaimo You’re welcome always happy to help boost the numbers! Will watch it properly later to find out the actual story. Did you like the Ebay joke reference?

[@rico4229]

@@eastrenewables I watch quite a few of Nicks videos , I knew straight away he was trying to wind up some of the trolls. .. it was a bit of a Troll Bait story really ... See what I've done there 🤪

[@MsDmcclymont]

You are our hero's, can already hear sirens in the distance

[@markrainford1219]

I think it looks alright. Hope the council don't fill it with grit in winter.

[@GyikaCPFC]

My thoughts exactly 😂

[@zjzozn]

Dust bin men try to empty it every week 😂

[@_Dougaldog]

And dog walkers try to fill it, every day ;-)

[@TheRonskiman]

I showed it to my wife, she said it looked like bin. I'd probably prefer the look of the normal type, but I'd still happily have one of these, although it would be fairly out of sight.

[@Clickworker101]

I would get a a2d2 wrapping at it. I wonder what product designer let this go trough.

[@JohnR31415]

Dustbin men are smarter than some commenters it seems…

[@mjp0815]

Grouch sticker incoming...

[@davebax6819]

as you say its your choice where it is and avoids planning etc, I will look forward to your (usually) detailed updates on performance over this winter. Nice house, love the brick work and neighbourhood. All the best.

[@craigpugsley]

Honestly, I don’t understand why so many people are being immature and spiteful in the comments. This seems to happen quite a lot with renewable tech - I certainly noticed a fair amount of hate several years ago when I was driving an early EV. Why is it? Do you feel threatened? Maybe if you don’t have anything nice to say, say nothing? Would you say the same thing if you saw this guy down the pub? Anyway, fair play to the poster for putting the time and effort into such interesting and informative videos. Hopefully my (and the haters’) engagement has boosted his views!

[@lksf9820]

Because of the clickbait title. Did he go down the pub and tell everyone he'd had his pump stolen? They would have thought the same.

[@Chris-hy6jy]

People just don't like the installation choices and are airing their views, that's all. This isn't "hate" (an overused word used by lefties and children). These are valid technical arguments.

[@MattyFreedom]

It’s his choice he can do what he wants with his own property. But people are entitled to their own opinions. You put your stuff up in the public for open discussion, then you have to accept the criticism along with the plaudits.

[@Chris-hy6jy]

@@MattyFreedom agree 100% 👍

[@MsDmcclymont]

Fear, jealousy, ignorance, just an angry person Be glad not to be them, relax and enjoy life

[@jasoncrook1]

Is there any reason you didn’t install it on the other side of the wall in your garden rather than on the road side ?

[@NicolasRaimo]

Is there any reason why it matters?

[@matthewhill4649]

​@@NicolasRaimo Seems like a reasonable question. Why so prickly? I was wondering this too actually.

[@NicolasRaimo]

@@matthewhill4649 it fits here and wasted space otherwise

[@miked4122]

​@@NicolasRaimo Would it have been better to have the stop switch in a less conspicuous place? It may be a nice area but there are always pranksters around.

[@NicolasRaimo]

@ it needs to be within sight of heat pump to allow safe isolation, but it is infact hidden from view, I do think however octopus should supply a grey isolator as these can be padlocked on or off

[@Chris-hy6jy]

A 34 meter external primary pipe run. That's 34 meters of 22mm pipework that's heating the outside of your house and your garden wall. Seems mad to me. And yes, I'm well aware it's insulated.

[@MattyFreedom]

This is the biggest reason this install is bizarre to me. Heat pumps are all about efficient use of energy. This feels like it is undoing that to some degree.

[@Chris-hy6jy]

@@MattyFreedom absolutely. It's like the home owner wanted a heat pump whatever the impracticalities when in actual fact a gas boiler would have been a much better solution. He even ripped a gas boiler out to install this! 😕

[@MattyFreedom]

@@Chris-hy6jy Ignoring the bizarre nature of the install, I see there are two reasons why people get heat pumps today. 1) They truly believe in the climate change narrative that it’s all humans fault and that they can do their little bit to help with this. I’m a sceptic and think us recycling the earths waste products into useful energy is a good thing, not bad, but then I’m probably a contrarian by nature. 2) The grotesque large subsidies you get from the government. Sure all of our taxes and energy costs go up to pay for them, but it means those taking advantage of the subsidy get it cheaper than even the cheapest boiler. I personally hate this as it’s artificially changing the buying habits by robbing the masses on the sly, but most people seem perfectly fine with a bit of robbery these days as long as they are the benefactors.

[@NicolasRaimo]

Long runs loose less heat energy than you think even if not insulated due to surface area, but ones insulated its very small then I have mine in trunking as well its current efficiency makes it CHEAPER to run than gas EVEN at peak rate electric. I run it was offpeak with solar and battery storage it costs me NOTHING to run. Next YES I believe in climate change

[@tooyoungtobeold8756]

@@Chris-hy6jy To get the government subsidy, you are not allowed to keep your gas boiler. Stupid, but true.

[@steve_787]

The only minor comment I'd have on the position is that your wall would have the 45deg splay, is to provide a pedestrian vision splay (usually 2 meter x 2 meter but depends on the local council) and shouldn't have anything more than 600mm high (including planting) within that zone. If you are reversing out you might miss a kid for instance. So from a planning point of view you have obstructed the vision splay and highways/planners could get funny about it and tell you to remove it unless you applied for planning permission.

[@robthomas7232]

Good thing is that it not purple like the model was on the announcement. Not sure about the slopely front as surely that will allow more rain to get in when compared to a flat fronted unit. Wonder if that cut off corner of your garden was making an allowance to store your wheelie bins or to give better visibility when pulling out in your car?

[@White_5tar]

Hi Nicholas, Nice to find your videos. We recently bought our house and are getting PV + battery, with a plan to get a heat pump at some point in the future. However, our current boiler and water tank are fairly new (

[@NicolasRaimo]

Depends… depends and well depends… too many variables firstly get a price for a heat pump from octopus and weigh up the cost as currently £7500 government grant so if cheap enough might be worth working out how long that be around for… regarding battery it’s going to depend on your water tank size, home size needed for size heat pump, and if your using offpeak electric plus how many solar panels you have.. your need about 15-25kwh extra above your normal battery use size which will be between 8-15 but you likely don’t need to cover all home use as summer months battery be wasted

[@billywales46]

The comments regarding not worth stealing? It will get stolen just for the copper and the compressor in many areas. I had a split ststem heatpump with the outside unit at 1st floor height and an attempt was made to steal it. Many dumped refrigerator

[@Stune5]

Well that told them! Love the way you turned those sorts of comments into informative content :)

[@4TheRecord]

Look forward to the update in a year or two.

[@could_try_harder]

Great videos, very informative. Our quote was considerably higher (and we have extended since they got their details for the address) so we have to stick with Gas for now. Good choice on the Ioniq 5 also. its a good choice if you arent going for a model 3

[@geoffallsopp3837]

Is it pumping water to the house or the propane

[@NicolasRaimo]

Water

[@michaelnoble5056]

Could you stick a normal wheelie bin next to it to get an idea of its size? Looking at getting mine installed in a few weeks!

[@frrcap]

I like the pipe lagging system. What type is that? Looks like a single plastic conduit covering the two pipes

[@NicolasRaimo]

Do you mean the trunking? It’s lagged inside the plastic trunking

[@frrcap]

@@NicolasRaimo it looks very tidy

[@RichardPrice-e8b]

If you buy the cosy 6 heat pump, are you effectively locked into Octopus for the entirety of the pump's lifetime then? Not necessarily the worst thing ever, but have you lost a bit of freedom to chose another energy supplier?

[@Lewis_Standing]

Nope, no commitments at all

[@RichardPrice-e8b]

@@Lewis_Standing good to know thanks. This video seemed to suggest that the pump would be unusable elsewhere if stolen.

[@NicolasRaimo]

You don’t need to stay with octopus as a customer the app will work for cosy even if you don’t buy energy from them but when fit fitted it needs to be commission to the hub

[@Lewis_Standing]

@@RichardPrice-e8b it's sized specifically for his home, might be too small for any potential thief or purchaser of off a lorry type goods.

[@jaywalker1233]

the best £14k you’ve ever spent - well done

[@jezlawrence720]

It's absolutely better looking than a traditional heat pump. I would absolutely be happy to have one. I'm not at all sure about your external positioning, I'm not sure why you've not had it put on the inside of your wall. I would worry that someone who *doesn't* think its nice to look at would damage it, or just casual vandalism tbh, some folk can't bear to see anything that looks expensive that they don't have.

[@NicolasRaimo]

Cars here don’t get vandalism, kiddos leave push bikes out all night the area is safe

[@jamesdaw131]

Question on the ‘long run’. Do you lose heat due to this? And therefore efficiency? The biggest issue for us getting a heat pump is space (London terraced house) with the heat pump itself being one aspect - end of the small garden is potentially the only place where we can be 1m from our boundary easily.

[@howarddavies3128]

Why didn't you put the HP in your garden not in the road?

[@steve6375]

Maybe because of the noise (they get noisier as they get older)? Can't think of any other reason and the pipe run would be shorter too. I would put a 3-sided fence (like they do for bins) around it. It would look better, reduce noise and cut down heat loss from icy winds

[@hometechUK]

It's nice that's it's not white or cream colour black blends in better although The angle of the intake fan looks like it will allow too much rain to get in the unit! Would have looked & maybe better being vertical.

[@IanFarquharson2]

Does it have a reversing valve? If not it won’t cool.

[@paulfrindle7144]

I think it looks a hell of lot better and more friendly then a standard unit :-) It doesn't look like just a bit of industrial gear like many others do :-).

[@hmi1750]

Very helpful videos, I have a similar corner plot and even a bush like yours which could be removed to position a base. I might investigate this but I cannot see how I can get it 1m from the property line, but I can maybe position it right on then inside of the property wall.

[@NicolasRaimo]

1 meter boundary rule due to go!

[@DaveBrown1]

Looks ok mate.

[@kieran2457]

2:28 you mention pay the permission fee, how much would that have cost you? I'm in a similar position and just put a deposit down (early on in the process). I don't own my leasehold, and I can't magic up £4000. Any pointers appreciated, great vids btw working my way through them, although the wife is judging purely on the heat pump looks 😅

[@NicolasRaimo]

Every lease is different some may allow heat pump without even asking some won't read your lease and take a good educated guess, you could take the risk they never find out and after 12 months take out insurance to cover you if they did find out! Don't forget we can split £200 with referral code

[@kieran2457]

Interesting options, I appreciate the input! Not sure id have the ⚽⚽ to pull that off 😅 I'll have to cross that bridge when I get to it. You are second in line for using a code, but I've already promised to walk down the aisle with one of my neighbours 👍🏼 Keep up the good work and ignore all these Muppets 🐸 with their bizarre notions, clearly burning the midnight oil trying desperately to find decent videos to troll.

[@NicolasRaimo]

@ worth noting refferal for heat pump name same as one for joining octopus 🐙

[@jakeartis955]

Happy to stick with my planned Daikin unit as you know it's a proven brand with plenty of engineers that are familiar with the brand and you have the knowledge of parts availability 👍

[@MotivatedAcademic]

Octopus tries to push me over to Cosy, but I guess Daikin makes much more sense.

[@jakeartis955]

@MotivatedAcademic The thing with the Cosy 6 it was meant to be a more affordable heat pump that would be the heat pump for the masses. They didn't offer me a discount to be their little beta tester so I stuck with the Daiken!

[@MotivatedAcademic]

@@jakeartis955 thanks! Had a chat with the sales rep yesterday and they weren't happy to hear that I want Daikin rather than Cosy ;)

[@eddyd8745]

Ignore the misrule gets, I'm looking forward to your results. I'm waiting for a Cosy 10 as my house is quite old and has more heat loss. I also have batteries and solar.

[@kevinpeters5000]

Although the noise of one is acceptable, I wonder how noisy it will be when all 18 houses have heat pumps running at 5am... Not dissing this video or ASHPs, just curious.

[@NicolasRaimo]

Same as 18 houses with boiler flues but less so as boilers tend to be noisier

[@robsmith1a]

Does the unit get hot? Could you wrap it like a car to change it's appearance?

[@stulop]

It's a heat pump, it gets cold.

[@peterholdsworth]

Just had a survey and asked about colour and they said they are looking at stone wraps. If they can't, I'll be spraying mine in a buff colour to match the house (same prick as yours)

[@NicolasRaimo]

Ooh looking forward to seeing a new colour! Did you use my code to save £100

[@peterholdsworth]

@NicolasRaimo After seeing you're other vid on getting it, but don't know if it conflicted with the £250 offer :-) but... on hold after I've talked through the survey with then, until they can explain their quote. 4 bed semi where the tank would go where boiler is, wirh the pump directly on the other side of the wall. So as simple as it comes. Pipes straight in. All electrics are good. They need to swap 3 radiators. But after grant, it's still £4k. If prices start from £500 (guessing for 2 bed, simple install) makes me think it's £3500 for 3 radiator swaps and like 5 extra valves and sensors coz of more radiators?!

[@NicolasRaimo]

@ it won’t conflict with ;)

[@NicolasRaimo]

@ the price goes on EPC a little.. £4000 is still massively cheaper than others after grant!

[@peterholdsworth]

@NicolasRaimo I thought EPC was about heat loss? So that's why they're swapping 3 rads for slightly bigger ones. I just think the £500 for a Cozy 6 is all their ads very misleading if 3 radiators fitted and a few sensors bump it up £3500. Looking at the price as a whole - is it really worth over £11k or are they cashing in on "it's still cheaper than full price"?

[@storkychapy]

Hey Nick, We started our Heat Pump journey around the same time as you and thanks for disclosing how much it cost you ,£1350.00. May I ask if that was with discount for promoting it on your Channel? We have just had the Cosy 6 installed and it costed us an additional £1500.00. So that is a big difference and we basically had the same install that you did. Yes, I am question this with Octopus now about price difference.

[@NicolasRaimo]

No discount other homes same as mine showing less than me infact! It’s based on home size and EPC I believe. Did you have them add my £100 discount

[@storkychapy]

@@NicolasRaimo Thank for coming back so quickly. No to the £100, as we had already signed on with them before you started advertising the code. Homes size is similar but we are in the south of England and possible labor costs are higher. Octopus have offered us a £250.00 goodwill discount but it is disheartening when you hear that people are getting the Cosy at much cheaper amount.

[@NicolasRaimo]

@@storkychapy I’ve seen much higher quotes and much cheaper ones

[@barrieshepherd7694]

I was not convinced by the noise test on two counts; a) noise at ground level is probably far less that at 1 meter above ground and adjacent to the fan - which is probably the greatest source of noise. Noise should be measured in a number of locations around the unit. b) the nature of the low frequency noise that these units can produce is that, when combined with similar units, they can create beat note sound , not in the immediate vicinity but some distance away. That type of noise can be very intrusive. I once lived in a block of flats (in another country) where everyone had heat pumps on their balconies to run the air-con. The throbbing noise was constant, but constantly changing in pitch with the wind and became intrusive - not enough consideration is being given to noise pollution and the negative impacts it can have on health and well being.

[@NicolasRaimo]

The fan so silent it was only picking up movement of air on the db where we measured was most noise level and where compressor was. Air con units are more noisy and depending on brand can be really cheap and noisy

[@jneale7715]

The bearings will make more noise at some point it's inevitable.

[@rico4229]

Our neighbour's oil fired boiler makes more noise than our heat pump ....

[@MattyFreedom]

Brand new noise will differ from aged noise. Especially when the item is out in all elements.

[@colingoode3702]

So how does this location meet the "not within 1m of a boundary" planning regulation? I've pretty much discounted the possibility of a HP because of this & other R290 refrigerant restrictions.

[@BadgerBob]

Well if your having it on the street (yes its technically within your boundary, but let’s not pretend this is not accessible from the street), I guess the salt & grit bin look will help 👍🏻

[@colingoode3702]

To meet MCS requirements no cooling is allowed on an Air to Water system ergo, no MCS approval = no BUS grant. Yes it's possible to make some Air to Water HP systems operate in cooling & yes some people have had systems installed got the grant & retrospectively converted their systems to run in cooling as well as heating. However, for cooling operation you would need to install more expensive fan coil units (FCU's) instead of radiators, each one of which will require a power supply & a condensate drain to get rid of condensate water which is produced at each FCU in cooling mode (chilled water will be at circa 10-14c). FCU's also make more noise than a radiator. It would also not be efficient switching the system backwards & forwards between summer cooling & hot water modes cooling down or heating up all the pipework volume in the system after each change over. Any & all existing water pipework must be insulated & vapour sealed otherwise it will sweat in cooling mode. If you have an UFH system then chilled water under the floor is a problem if it sweats & produces condensate so, the chilled water flow temps have to be higher to prevent this which sort of defeats the object of having cooling. If you want cooling operation for summer then you'd be better off installing a proper Air to Air Heat Pump system which can do both heating & cooling which is cheaper than an air to water system however, it will not qualify for the BUS grant. You'll also need a separate hot water heating system because most HP air con systems do not heat hot water. Some do but they are quite small capacity systems for apartments not for 3 bed house or larger. Best option is to have an air to water system for whole house heating & a separate HP air con system for specific rooms you might want cooled in the summer. Typically this tends to be bedrooms & or a living room. Either way more space is needed for additional outdoor units & more planning regulation hoops to jump through to make it possible!!

[@markbennett6658]

We’re in the UK not too much need for AC in the summer!

[@colingoode3702]

@@markbennett6658 I beg to differ. A combination of warmer summers & more airtight & highly insulated houses mean a lot of new build houses suffer from high heat build up on the upper floors come late afternoon / evening. 3 storey town houses are the worst. It's the single biggest driver of the residential AC market in the UK which is growing year on year. We have AC in our cars, in our places of work so people want it in their homes (especially bedrooms) as well. There are many cases of people on YT ripping out 1-2 year old gas boilers in new builds in favour of AC to provide whole house heating & cooling.

[@markbennett6658]

@@colingoode3702 fair point. My comment was slightly facetious following the last 2 disappointing summers. I’d still contend that in the main our need here is far greater for heating than cooling but I don’t doubt that the AC market will grow what with global warming and more efficient house building techniques. In the meantime opening a couple of windows for through ventilation, like we did in cars before AC will certainly help!

[@colingoode3702]

@@markbennett6658 I understand your line of thought & somewhat agree. I grew up with cars that did not have AC, power steering, heated rear windows, servo assisted brakes etc. However, buying a car these days (unless it's a classic) without these features is just not considered. Time moves on & for some people cooling is becoming & "must have" item for their home, especially in bedrooms so that they can get a decent night's sleep without having to open a window, which lets in bugs & external noise or having to run a noisy fan all night. Even though I worked in the HVAC industry for over 48 years I have avoided installing AC in my houses until recently when we had a conservatory built. We wanted to use it all year round & heating it from the house central heating system is not permitted (although many people do this) so I installed an air to air split heat pump which work great & is the most efficient solution. Ironically we rarely use the cooling function during the summer & just open all the windows instead. I might cave in & install AC in a few bedrooms at some point but for now I'll live with opening a window (we live on a quiet road).

[@caterthun4853]

Running cold water in home radiators in humid weather will result in wet dripping radiators. Not good idea.

[@_Dougaldog]

I would have been more pragmatic and had Octopus fit one of their Daikin R32 units at back of house, primarily to reduce the heat loses, but secondly to keep the isolator switch out of public view. Would hate to think what might happen should a male dog try and target the switch....

[@richardbartlett6932]

outdoor isolators are IP rated.

[@_Dougaldog]

@@richardbartlett6932 This is true, however still seems very exposed in a public street.

[@could_try_harder]

@@richardbartlett6932 true but are they PeePee rated? ;)

[@0baggy]

If you’re going for a heat pump which looks good, then surely you’d go for the Aira heat pumps

[@NicolasRaimo]

That looks like just a normal heat pump…

[@peterbruch8719]

Not happy, wasted 15 min waiting for the headline. The video itself was good. Don't use this kind of rubbish click bait otherwise you'll loose subscribers!

[@NicolasRaimo]

I said first 10’secounds of video “as you can see it hasn’t”

[@peterbruch8719]

@@NicolasRaimo unfortunately I missed that between the advert that was on before. It wasn't obvious enough, sorry.

[@peterbruch8719]

​@@NicolasRaimoby the way, our Cosy 6 install date is 3 weeks away, in our front garden, so the video title didn't exactly help our piece of mind. As I said, the video itself is fine.

[@ipb1966]

@@NicolasRaimoso why have a title suggesting it had?

[@NicolasRaimo]

@@ipb1966as I’ve had non stop comments on my video telling me it’s going to get stolen

[@robertanton1862]

real question here: how does the system extract heat out of a colder body (outside air at +1°C), and heat up another body that is already hotter (inside your room already at +17°C) hoping it will raise it to +21°C? efficiently??? (I am a technical mind, so I'd appreciate a proper technical answer, not a vague one)

[@NicolasRaimo]

Q = U A T m That technical enough?

[@Chris-hy6jy]

Because refrigerant gas at outside temperature is compressed using a compressor. This causes it to heat up to a temperature higher than the internal air temperature (say 40 degrees for example). This 40 degree gas is then pushed through a heat exchanger where its heat is transferred into the primary water circuit. The primary water circuit then flows into the house to heat the radiators (and then returns back to the heat pump). Obviously compressing a gas to raise its temperature from +1C to +40C takes a lot more energy than raising its temperature from +20C to +40C hence why these heat pumps are much less efficient during cold weather. The relationship between temperature rise vs input power is also not linear and compressor efficiency drops more sharply the higher up the differential temp curve you go. That's a basic overview anyway.

[@robertanton1862]

@@Chris-hy6jy thanks Chris-hy6jy

[@Jaw0lf]

The RHI that I had had all sorts of rules and is paid over 7 years. Yours is paid upfront and as long as you are approved you will have had it. After that they can't take money from you as they could with mine. The cooling aspect would apparently be OK with underfloor heating, but not radiators due to the condensatiion it would create.

[@Joe-lb8qn]

It literally looks like a rubbish bin unless you are close up. It's also huge compared to "ordinary" ones, and IMO looks awful. Do Octopus sell "normal" ones?

[@JohnR31415]

Yes they do

[@bazcurtis178]

Octopus told me to share my normal link for heat pump referrals. This seems to be odd as others on KZbin have quoted a number like you have. I am enjoying our heat pump, installed in July. It was too early for the Cosy6.

[@neutron6220]

I actually asked the BUS grant question to MCS at everything electric London and they said it can't cool to be eligible

[@NicolasRaimo]

Is it in the guidelines then? As some claim it was but isn’t anymore I should really look for my self!

[@neutron6220]

Great video BTW. One of the main reasons we went for cosy is that we like look compared to standard

[@neutron6220]

​@NicolasRaimo the heat needs to be distrubuted using a liquid. You can get a water FCU instead of a radiator, which can cool

[@NicolasRaimo]

@@neutron6220 would need a 3 way value near tank for switching to cooking circuit

[@MrKarlPrince]

@@NicolasRaimo In the "OFGEM BUS property guidance" the word "cool" does not appear, however this is the relevant part which rules out things like mini-splits: Air source heat pumps (ASHPs) 1.7. ASHP systems must be hydronic (air-to-water) to be eligible under BUS. 6 Air-to-air systems are not eligible. In the "OFGEM BUS installer guidance" it is a bit more specific that it can only be used for heating though: 3.71. ASHPs must generate heat using a thermodynamic cycle by transferring energy stored in the form of heat in the ambient air outside a property and use that energy to heat a liquid Hopefully this answers the question (I looked as I wanted a mini-split system myself, so I could use Solar in summer for cooling)

[@sebastien79a]

I wouldn't get the Cosy 6 on looks. Would love a heat pump but terraced house with limited options sadly on how to make it work.

[@davidsinclair144]

You'd need to replumb your rads with pipe in at the top for cooling but then it'd be useless for heating

[@Chris-hy6jy]

And useless for cooling if it starts dripping condensation all over the floor.

[@caterthun4853]

Think there is a market for a noise generator. That sounds like a heat pump running on full load. It could relocated temporary at proposed location of a new heatpump. That would confirm no problem with neighbours....or wife

[@mbak7801]

That leasehold buyout sounded quite cheap. I could perhaps have spent some 10 seconds having to think about that one. My heat pump gets commissioned tomorrow and I felt under some pressure to get it sooner rather than later. The funds for the BUS grant allow for 60,000 households across the entire country to upgrade and is a scheme that has been running for quite a while already. I suspect when it runs out there may be no more money available, unless you are unemployed etc. Don't hang around. Also why not have the pump in the garden?

[@NicolasRaimo]

Earlier videos say why I picked this location… the grant just had some more cash added to it

[@DelticEngine]

It would be far more effective and efficient if the system used fancoils rather than radiators. This would also allow a degree of cooling if the system could be configured to do it somehow.

[@NicolasRaimo]

But UK homes have radiators already

[@davideyres955]

You are using an air to water heating. The problem with radiators is that heat flows away from something easier than it flows into it. So a hot radiator will give up its heat more efficiently to the air than the air will give up its heat into a cold radiator. Heat geek tried this and it caused problem with condensation on the pipes leading to dripping water and there just isn’t enough surface area to run the air over, even with radiator fans. If you look at the output radiator for an air conditioner you will see a lot of fins providing lots of surface area. Remember that an air conditioner also uses refrigerant in the rads so it’s cooling down far lower than water could. I think from memory it’s about -17 deg but I could be wrong on that.

[@DelticEngine]

@@NicolasRaimo That's the problem! What really needs to happen is the old hydronic system taking out (or left as backup?) and heating replaced with a multi-drop mini-split system. This air-to-water heat pump stuff in nonsense.

[@DelticEngine]

@@davideyres955 The problem is trying to use conventional radiators and plumbing with a heat pump! Anyone who has actually studied heat pumps knows that this is really a nonsensical way of doing things and will almost invariably have a poor outcome. The only way this is even remotely possible is because of the high COP now achievable. Condensation will almost invariably result when trying to cool Running at such temperatures and therefore pressures is going to significantly reduce component life, particularly the compressor, which is the most expensive part and therefore negating any financial benefit. No doubt in the near future there will be a lot of these systems scrapped because of failed compressors. Heat pumps can and do work very well when done using air-to-air. One way to achieve this in British homes would be to install a multi-drop mini-split system as such system use copper pipework, rather than air ducting.

[@HeadAirKid]

Most people commenting about your heat pump getting vandalized etc probably live in deprived neighborhood where crime rates are high and schools are sht. But it looks like you live in a good neighborhood where dog walkers tidy up themselves and people are generally nice so congrats

[@jimmyc38]

I hadn’t appreciated that the trucking makes its way down the side of your house and quite visible, this wouldn’t be my “cup of tea”, but I guess you’ll happy with it, that’s all that counts.

[@NicolasRaimo]

The bushes will cover it once they grow a little more

[@prometheus4130]

buying your lease was a smart move, irregardless of your other projects👍

[@onthemove301]

Sorry Nicholas, but when you say the Octopus blends in with the local aesthetics, I can only assume you are thinking of the local wheelie bins. It's ugly. As for adding to the value of your house, as an owner of a heat pump, I have asked several estate agents who all say it doesn't. If anything, they say prospective owners may prefer a simple gas boiler.

[@NicolasRaimo]

It blends as it looks like nothing just a box your eyes ignore it. Regarding value watch what happens over next few years as we see phase out of gas and boilers on new builds

[@banntheman7925]

thank you for your vids, only trouble I can see is that some kid could stick rubbish in the fans and kill it all may need a fence?

[@NicolasRaimo]

honestly its not going to happen its the same fear of someones going to key my car or someones going to put a firework in my letterbox you need to weigh up chances of something happening and its remote to never

[@miketurner4290]

Even standing right next to my Samsung heat pump, you can't hear it over next door's gas flu when their boiler kicks in.

[@Thetyrerepairer]

Isn’t that at risk of being vandalised? I would like one but at 70 it’s just too expensive for me.

[@NicolasRaimo]

Have you tried a quote mine was cheaper than a gas boiler replacement and there's an offer off for £250 if you order before November and another £100 with my code

[@PinkDuckUK]

Visually from a distance I think it would look less notable without the pink high-detail central sticker, reducing the colour palette to more uniform grey like street furniture, before being gifted their own graffiti and stickers ;)

[@NicolasRaimo]

I like the Pink octopus but its just a sticker you could decal it really easy

[@BaldAlan]

Clickbait (lies) is never a good option as good information sometimes isn't taken seriously, masked by the false thumbnail and title

[@jasonaris5316]

I would put a wire fence or grill around the heat pump just to keep people away from It without impacting its operation

[@lenrichardson7349]

The scrap man can't take your fridge because they need a special expensive licence to deal with scrap fridges. I would expect you to know that. Basically it's not worth it to them so mostly only the council can take and deal with them. That's why they are not taken away because they would be breaking the law.

[@NicolasRaimo]

Heat pump is a fridge contains same issues

[@ZG0002]

Mate, I've seen armoured cables stripped from tray 30ft up in the air for scrap value. You would be surprised at what effort they will go to steal. Ya probs ok, looks a nice place. Still looks **** imo, but each to their own.

[@StuartJ]

I'd rather have Air-to-Air. No radiators, and cooling in the summer.

[@barriebirch7956]

Me too.

[@NicolasRaimo]

Costs more to buy and run

[@_Dougaldog]

And no £7.5k grant; most UK homes have radiators as a throw back to gas and oil heating of times gone by (AKA, not many prior to 1970's in residential homes)... When British weather got too hot (>21C) it used to be a dip in local river, pond or stream, but not now if health is to be preserved.

[@StuartJ]

@@NicolasRaimo it's often cheaper to install if you need new radiators and plumbing. It doesn't cost more to run.

[@barriebirch7956]

@@NicolasRaimo No, it doesn't. Air to air can be switched on when needed at any period during the day. Air to water has to left on for a much longer period of time running at a lower constant temperature. It is also likely that the new Daikin multi split system including a driven hot water tank in the system would also qualify for the Govt's grant of £7500 since this would be able to replace a gas boiler AND gas-heated tank. The reason why the grant was not allowed previously was because the hot water tank could not be heated by the heat pump. The grant had to have all gas heated appliances including the tank being replaced by heat pump. The fact that air to air also provides cooling is irrelevant for getting the grant. This cooling effect is not mentioned anywhere in the Govt's documentation.

[@billienomates1606]

Looks like a large waste bin.

[@pipedreamtv9697]

Why would you want to look and listen to that, when you can get it out of sight and dump its looks and noise on all your neighbours, they'll love you in a few years once that fan starts rattling away, sounds like a win win to me😂😂

[@alanc1406]

Your tempting faith there. Someone could put a sticker on it saying 'Free to take away'

[@owenashcroft8167]

No, I really like the industrial look of the traditional ones, we’ve had AC compressors on the house for years and they have never bothered me, my issue with the Cosy 6 is actually the plastic look more than the shape, although I do feel like a nicely coloured traditional heat pump are stealthier than these guys, but horses for courses etc Would I be offended by it if it appeared on the street next to a neighbours? No, it’s just a not for me thing.

[@sjcsystems]

My estate agent told me that solar and battery don't add value to a house.

[@mbak7801]

Well the batteries are very easy to remove. If the estate agent takes that view make the particulars say batteries are not included. It would cost a few grand to have new ones put in. Fuel bills with solar, batteries and a heat pump are super low. The standing charge is larger than than the energy costs.

[@NicolasRaimo]

Then I'd worry about that estate agents chance to market my home. You have 2 homes side by side both 100% the same however 1 has solar and battery and the other one doesn't which one you going to buy?

[@sjcsystems]

I totally agree, and that is what has happened.

[@mathewnewton3499]

I appreciate the pressure to get clicks but please try and resist the temptation for such clickbait titles. It's a race to the bottom and just further pollutes the water we're all swimming in. Your content it engaging enough - let it sell itself.

[@jimh5031]

Looks like a BIN and that is about it's worth the cost of this system is about the same as I used to pay for a lifetime's worth of gas.

[@NicolasRaimo]

Jim its total install cost was £1350…. A boiler combo swap was £3000… it’s cheaper to run and more efficient

[@richardbartlett6932]

It's not ugly, it's just different. I think it works as a unique design. it's obviously vulnerable to damage and/or loss but I presume this has been taken into account. Personally I feel it should have been caged for H&S, theft , insurance and vandalism issues but again I don't know the area. Wasn't keen on the clickbait title either.

[@smeg3519]

Octopus quoted me £7k after the grant to install one. Way too much

[@Lewis_Standing]

Think about it, every home is going to need one. Ergo every home you want to buy without one, you will need to budget that in to retrofit. Fit one well and have it working well - big plus point for any purchasers.

[@SkiTuscany]

Maybe you don't have an EPC? Get one and obtain another quote.

[@smeg3519]

@@Lewis_Standing yeah all well and good if I’m thinking of moving. But I’m not planning on leaving where I live anytime soon

[@sp1es]

Having just had my daikin wall hung, I actually like Nick's install better, Daikin is fugly and makes my house look like a warehouse

[@mbak7801]

My heat pump is wall hung mostly to avoid someone backing into it in the yard as that is a considerable risk looking at the lack of driving skills these days. There are so many terrace houses around here which are all going to have to have them in time and that all are built right on the pavement wall hanging is going to be the default I guess. To me the look is fine.

[@derekclark7545]

More than 300% efficient, id be sending that back. A Vaillant installed by Heat Geek assured installer will have probably produced around 500% efficiency. 300% is poor by todays standards. That's for every KW used you get 5 KW out of it and not 3 KW.

[@NicolasRaimo]

HG is cop of 4 so 400%… more than 300 means it can go to 4 ;). I did the math octopus install was £1350 HG was over £8,000 the price difference meant even with improved cop over 15 years to break even! So it was a false economy for me

[@rigbyphoto]

Nick. I really don't understand all the negative comments. But i do have one gripe; the use of such blatant click-bait! 😒

[@NicolasRaimo]

My last video was so much full of negativity saying it’s going to get stolen in a week I had to make reference to it but I declared in first 5 second it hadn’t

[@rigbyphoto]

@@NicolasRaimo 😀

[@maxthelab8457]

If there are so little materials to it, how come they are so horrifically expensive to buy? Some shyster is really skinning folk alive in this mugs game.

[@NicolasRaimo]

Raw components are expensive.. scrap value in them components is poor… go buy a copper pipe and scrap it your get far less money for it.

[@NckBrktt]

I don't think any air to water HP's do cooling - would not work very well even if possible. You need air to air HP for switchable heating/cooling - but no grants for a2a. Lots of people don't want you to have a Cosy6 because they don't like it. I guess you should have had a national referendum before you installed it just to make sure.

[@BenIsInSweden]

All of them can do cooling, otherwise they wouldn't be able to defrost. Some require a dongle to unlock the functionality. Ideally for it to cool well, you want underfloor heating (properly done for cooling as well), and or what's called fan coils (similar to indoor AC units but run off water). And to do those properly you need 4 pipes to each instead of the traditional 2. Some can work with a 2 pipe system, but you lose some benefits - e.g. proper dehumidification. I believe Urban Plumbers did an A2W install that had a heat exchanger in the loft to provide cooling through the ventilation system.

[@Gazmaz]

I love Marmite, I hate that cosy. Don’t be surprised if it gets graffiti. Not from me by the way 😂 If anyone needs cooling down might form a queue. ;)

[@vmailtk5]

I always wanted a mcdonalds bin

[@lynnfisher4396]

I don’t particularly like the design of the Cosy 6, I don’t like the fitting of it in plain view “outside” the property, BUT, surely it’s for the owner to decide what they want. He explained his rationale on his previous videos and just because someone disagrees with him, some of the comments on here are borderline abusive. Seems to be as many anti heat pump comments as there are anti EV on KZbin now, where did the concept of consideration for others opinions go?

[@NicolasRaimo]

The abuse I've had is just like early EV days infact some is WORSE

[@colincampbell3679]

But why place it outside the wall of the back Garden if it is so non-noisy? Be far better for protecting that investment to have it inside the back garden against the same wall but the other side of it then it be safer and no one will even know it is there and the pipes etc. be along the inside of the back wall not the outside. I don't think heat pumps are that good, I prefer a gas boiler the systems now are far more better than the old gas boilers. Most heat pumps cost at least £10.000 and some are over £25.000 so not worth the trouble. like all new tech the always over hype the good points but never cover the bad points? The always using electricity 24/7/365 of the heat pumps and most having big noise and vibrations and always running pushing up the electricity bill which is high in the UK. is a good reason not the have the heat pumps. plus most UK older homes would cost a fair bit to insulate up to the high needed values to even use these pricey heat pumps. so that not a thing the lower paid people can afford anyway, Landlords won't bear the high costs of heat pumps in their high amount of rented homes that's for sure. Also I never would use a smart meter because they can't save any money since to save any, you would have to stop cooking meals or washing etc. which is a normal life needing actions. so you can't save money without no eating or washing so pointless having a gilt-trip meter showing you using power and how much you ( normally ) cost doing it? And All the heat pump lot like Octopus would force you to have a pointless smart meter just to use your power from them. Lots o problems people been having with the smart meters anyway. so best not have them.

[@NicolasRaimo]

Octopus heat pump installs start at £500 mine was £1350. It only used power when on which isn’t 24/7 It’s cheaper to run than my gas boiler was

[@januszdelondres]

it looks like a small grit/salt bin.

[@3D_Printing]

5:26 Yes, a few 10 million Heat Pumps and the UK will hit a mini Ice Age due to the cooling of the environment IMHO

[@NicolasRaimo]

your not being serious?

[@3D_Printing]

@NicolasRaimo as you show heat sucked out the environment add millions of these doing it..

[@NicolasRaimo]

@@3D_Printing oh dear you are being serious, Thats not how it works

[@petehiggins33]

Brilliant, we can solve global warming at a stroke by installing lots of heat pumps. /s

[@gino2465]

Extend your wall and keep it the other side.

[@pf888]

I'm sorry but the Cosy 6 does not blend in with its surroundings!

[@over-engineered]

Looks like a rock-salt dispenser:-) but is better looking than most, as they look like AC units

[@nickjp264]

Didn’t doubt it had been installed within the boundary of the property but why not have it in the back garden??? Council would have taken a dim view of it being installed on the street I assume they maintain when they adopted the road of the estate? It may not have been nicked yet but wait for parts to become valuable. Must be nice to be free of the lease but then a stop was put to that some time ago…

[@itsmrfish1]

TELL THE BLOODY TRUTH

[@andrewbellinger1135]

For a new estate that road is in a bad way

[@MattyFreedom]

That was a good click bait to be fair, given what people were saying. Still think it’s bizarre, but horses for courses.

[@michaelbeveridge654]

lol 😂 no loss !!

[@ollydearden]

Looks like a dustbin

[@NicolasRaimo]

Happy new year to you to…

[@ollydearden]

@ Happy new year! I was only joking - hope it works well for you.

[@tonyfeasby1437]

Wish cosy 8, 10 etc was about

[@NicolasRaimo]

10 is now!

[@tonyfeasby1437]

Serious? I chatted to them last week and they didn't mention it.good info!

[@NicolasRaimo]

@@tonyfeasby1437 recently announced

[@martinwray7001]

It's not beautiful, but it might grow on me. Presumably you can replace Constantine with a pumpkin just for the end of the month. He's quite pink and not massively grown up looking. Sorry Constantine!

[@stevenspiers5190]

looks like a salt bin with a fan in it

[@MentalLentil-ev9jr]

The car parked there, like other cars, is a lot uglier than the heat pump. I would far rather look out of my window and see any heat pump than the inevitable parked cars.