How To Make a Cheap Fog Machine 10 Times More Powerful

[@aydemphialewis6093]

"the crappiest and cheapest fog machine i could get" => proceeds to unpack the same fog machine I bought

[@blackc1479]

Lol thinking the exact same thing. (Though i unpacked mine a couple of weeks ago)

[@lawnkingslandscaping8328]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@deerenzo]

Don't feel sad. We all started like this.

[@nasagi7388]

😂😂😂😂

[@CS-ui4qj]

Same. But good enough to make my 7 and 11yr old get excited. Happy Halloween!

[@h3ll3rsh4nks]

"We're nearly reaching the end of October" *nervously checks calendar....*

[@NicolasSalencPBP]

I'm a little ahead of time 😁

[@beaviswashere8009]

@@NicolasSalencPBP Marty McFly here, Doc needs your Help! :)

[@adamsmith5913]

@@beaviswashere8009 you need help pouring the propylene and glycerin mixture into the bottle? You a little shaky?

[@FPSadict1612038]

"Hello?! McFly?!"

[@DemeDemetre]

he meant September...

[@JustPlainRob]

The water in fog juice is there for 2 reasons: 1. It helps the manufacturers 'cut' the juice so it costs them less overall to produce per volume of liquid. It's hard to tell a difference between 30-50% water and 0% water in the fog output. 2. It expands to like 1200% of its initial volume when it becomes steam which helps push the glycerine-based fog out faster and keeps the heating tube somewhat clean inside.

[@winniepooh4130]

what would happen if the fog were to be generated by using aan ultrasonic humidifier circuit instead of by heating it?

[@sixthandelm]

@@winniepooh4130 I know you posted this forever ago but there is an instructible where a guy makes a fog machine in a bucket using an ultrasonic pond fogger, so it should work and you can use straight water instead of fog juice. He said they are the same as the the ultrasonic thingy in humidifiers, but he did say you need at least a 12 jet ultrasonic mister to produce enough fog, so you'd need to salvage more than one from these kind of humidifiers and use them together. You'd also need to find a way to keep them cool since they generate heat as they are in use. He did it by just adding ice to the bucket periodically.

[@djfaber]

Having worked in the entertainment industry, and having to deal with both foggers and hazers, I think the big reason for the distilled water is to ensure that the bulk of the glycol is flushed out of the heater to prevent clogging. Glycol tends to build up right at the coolest part of the heater element (usually intake / output areas) and can for a crystalline plug (looks kind of like pitch) and will destroy the element as it's nearly impossible to dissolve out again.

[@Chiberia]

I make soap with glycerine regularly. I wonder if an alkaline solution run through the pump would clear it out by saponifying the glycerine. Zero idea what that would do to PG or the pump internals, though.

[@jtocwru]

Now imagine that crystalline plug forming in your bronchioles, and you'll never want to vape.

[@knoxvalleskey1636]

yeah. if you got shows 5 nights a week and need the haze/fog machine to work and keep working reliably the added water makes a difference

[@gordonsensei330]

@@knoxvalleskey1636 why not just flush with water, maybe a bit of vinegar, after use?

[@knoxvalleskey1636]

@@gordonsensei330 because time. the time needed to fully clean, dry, and refill a machine isn't in the time budget when you're running shows consecutively. once a month doing a good flush and clean is realistic, but after every show isn't unless you can afford a guy to do just that

[@AlphaMachina]

I made some fog liquid out of a mixture of 25% distilled water, 25% vegetable glycerin and 50% propylene glycol. When I tested, using more VG or more PG did nothing to increase the density, and even more water could be used, up to probably 35-40% without much noticeable difference. The reason the fog liquids are mostly distilled water is first, it's cheaper, but second, PG can be highly irritative for the lungs and eyes, and some people even have adverse reactions to VG. Here in the US, you can order a gallon of USP/food grade VG for around $20-$25, and a gallon of USP/food grade PG for around $30, or medical grade for a bit more. Using too much VG will eventually clog the heating elements and destroy the pump. Because it's vegetable based, it burns and solidifies more easily. PG on the other hand acts more like a cleaning agent and will help to keep the elements clean, but it's still a fairly viscous fluid as compared to water.

[@NordicDan]

Did you notice much buildup from the VG when using your mixture?

[@AlphaMachina]

@@NordicDan Not too much, no, but I haven't used it more than a couple of nights a year (we do 80's reunion parties for what was a local dance club here in Louisiana) Then again, the machine only needs to work less than half as hard, because it's making more than twice the amount of fog. It's give and take. With the water and PG content, it should stay fairly clean, but if it doesn't, just run a mixture of 80 water/20 PG through it and that should clean it right up.

[@sacordovaplata]

As as heavy and knowledgeable e-cig user (basically a miniaturized fog machine) I can confirm using too much VG in the mix can clog the heating element and produce carbon build-up; a small amount of PG can help cleaning and also wicks better, but also too much PG can irritate lungs and eyes (PG is used to enhance flavor and give some throat hit). The general consensus for good cloud density is 70% VG and 30% PG or 70% VG, 10% distilled water and 20% PG.

[@robotslug]

You bullshit your way through that impressively.

[@TryptychUK]

@@sacordovaplata Some e-juice recommend adding vodka, as it thins out the liquid, but doesn't affect the vapour production as it evaporates much quicker than water. For a smoke machine one could just use lab grade ethanol as one is not drinking it.

[@kwaaaa]

Evil night club owners stroking their beards: "so you're saying nicotine fog might keep people coming back to my club?"

[@GoldenPants64]

the takeaway i got from this is to just spend $10 more on the 700w fog machine and put the larger pump for another $15 or so and do the 50/50 mix for the most efficient cheap "diy" fog machine. awesome video!

[@darkijah-andersjehovahsn7893]

hmmm... okay...

[@maremike2691]

Heat up the liquid before putting it in the fog machine so the heating element wont cool off as easily

[@rgemail]

I dont remember him specifying that the 700w machine was actually able to keep up with the volume either. Did he?

[@RonDLite]

I worked with all sorts of fog machines for 25 years in any size venue. Using fog machines causes sticky residu to stick to the entire rig, specially near the machine. I can imagine that the water makes machine last longer. Pretty sure the water also helps to diffuse the fog better (called granularity, an oil cracker/hazer has much lower granularity for instance). I checked bottles and the fog with higher granularity rating have less water percentage. In clubs you usually also add a fan for better area coverage. Oil based fluids give long lasting effect, water based is short lived but doesn't trigger a fire alarm.

[@Coinfindr]

depending on the firealarm, the optical firealarms are super sensitive to any kind of smoke compared to the older radioactive firealarm which will take way longer until it pops off, that is why there is no firealarms in bathrooms on hotels as it would give a false alarm every time someone took a shower there

[@RonDLite]

@@Coinfindr proper alarms are usually both infra red as optic, however when using oil based smoke from smoke machine (not oil cracker), they still trigger the infrared due to higher exit temperature.. (340 Celsius) make sure to check type of alarms against your method of smoke (heat,pressure,glaciator) whenever you are in any venue. With oil based smoke from heat method smoke machine, you can be up for nasty surprise otherwise. The video does not show any oil based fluids..

[@dianamccandless7094]

will store-bought Fog juice leave a slippery residue on the ground? Like glycerin soap leaves a slippery residue on your hands.

[@RonDLite]

@@dianamccandless7094 no, it will not, it will be on the rig near output of the fog machine

[@brittishman7870]

@@dianamccandless7094 Believe me it sticks to Everything and if you have anything with a cooling fan it also gets inside along with dust until it all goes up in Smoke! Weaker the mixture the better!

[@DanCote-s6v]

Just want to say thanks. Bought some vegetable glycerin, propylene glycol, and distilled water. Made a mix 1/3 of each and the cheap fog machine I have been using worked unbelievable. The output fog was crazy thick. Thanks again for the fog machine info, Dan.

[@jamal69jackson77]

Bro, this was bad ass! I've been in or around the clubbing business most of my life and I was also someone who, installed, operated and purchased a lot of lighting and fogging equipment and I never though of something like this. Some of the fog machines I purchased or used were upwards of $1000 dollars and now seeing that it could have been as simple as using a cheap Wal Mart fogger and doing a few simple and inexpensive modifications makes me think of all the money I could have saved. And to think just the simple fog fluid formula was about 80 percent of the key to making a more effective fog effect... wow! This was enlightening!

[@seanwilson9117]

*realizes a couple of minutes in that he's making vape juice*

[@LilReaper1010]

He forgot the nic tho, lmao

[@kjcorder]

Yup. pg/VG +flavor and nic=. Vape juice

[@1DjFuzzion1]

VAPE NATION ✌️

[@MrScorpnok]

VG for clouds, pg to make it less viscous✌

[@JjMn1000]

Oh no

[@NgaTaeOfficial]

Back in my day… (NZ High School in the early 80s) we used a 50/50 mixture of glycerine and water, atomized onto a frying pan with a potplant sprayer, and fanned with a Maths folder. Worked a treat!

[@CoroaEntertainment]

The issue of the modified fog fluid cooling down the coil a lot (after changing to a bigger pump)... you can use a small heating pad wrapped around the bottle. This will help preheat the liquid before it enters the pump and heating coil, which will help the coil retain more heat for longer periods of time before cooling down and dribbling liquid.

[@DinJaevel]

This is the exact kind of evolution that makes me as happy as a very happy child.

[@sanveersookdawe]

I decided to watch this video to actually see if the ingredients used in a fog machine is the same as e-liquid to see if I could make a nice smelling fog machine. I was very surprised to see that you actually tested my idea for me!! Thanks!!😁😁

[@Talaxianer]

"Everything is a fog machine if you use it wrongly enough" - Mahatma Gandhi

[@SmashToBits]

LOL, Ive got some magic smoke from electronics!

[@moondogmcblackfoot]

🤣

[@BrilliantDesignOnline]

I thought Abraham Lincoln said that :-)

[@michaelrobb9708]

@@BrilliantDesignOnline he did, i was there

[@mrlowdays]

Use an old PC with a Pentium CPU and make it run Doom Eternal. You'll get a fog machine and a fireworks show

[@AndrewMoton-lw2cq]

I'm excited, I have a 500-watt fog machine and I'm using this mixture to help keep the fog thick and low on the ground for Halloween

[@audiofanaticz]

build yourself a chiller of some sorts, the colder the fog is once it exits the machine the lower to the ground it will be. People use dryer vent tubing running through ice in a bucket or tote to chill it

[@stonedalldayjedi533]

I used to be the special effects person for our school play. One of the nifty things I had for the fog machine was a cooler that had a metal grate inside where you put ice on top. PVC pipes coming out two ends, one to shove the fog machine into, the other for it to beautifully pour out and set over the entire stage.

[@bop5277]

Would you please make a video building that and send me the link? Please:} BOP

[@r1nusV]

As a lot of car shops we also use a smoke machine to detect leaks inside a system like for example a combustion engine. I keep struggle to get enough smoke in the engine because of its size( we work on big engines for busses). This could potentially be the beste tuning guide i found so far to tackle this problem. thanks!

[@lowqualityyy]

Even 3 years later this video is still useful. Thanks for the work.

[@NordicDan]

Holy cow what a difference! If I can squeeze one into my budget I'll be doing this for this Halloween with a chiller! As far as losing heat from the block, maybe a timer set to kick the fogger off once you get an idea how long it takes to start seeing unevaporated juice come out, cool for however long is needed (again after finding the ideal time it takes), then kick back on, rinse, repeat....

[@MikeKolcun]

Did you end up trying with the chiller? Does your chiller use ice or dry ice?

[@NordicDan]

@@MikeKolcun I haven't been able to spare the money to do it this year, but once I can build up a setup and experiment around with it, my plan will be to use dry ice

[@myabacon]

Where have you been all my life? Thank you so much for going over all of this!!

[@AlexanderBurgers]

I found that exact model pump in a larger 1200W fog machine. :) The thread is G1/8, which is fairly common for pneumatic fittings and stuff (like, the one on 3d printer bowden tubes), perhaps that'd be an even easier way to connect to the tube of the heater, with a cute little PC2-G1/8 quick connector.

[@mikeferreira9376]

Best torch lighting tool I have ever seen

[@derrickmiles3569]

You had a perfectly good pool there, and you didn't run a hose from one of the fog machine ends into the water of the pool for super sweet fog bubbles. There's your next video.

[@dona2985]

Getting subway tommorow what should I get?

[@SpydersByte]

right? that would look amazing! I hope he sees this!

[@elduendeamarillo3853]

And put some sope on it!🙏

[@EGGSHL]

@@dona2985 pulled pork with BBQ fritos on it. They used to have that, anyways

[@snailcrusher842]

@@dona2985 a bag of bbc lays and a chocolate chip cookie

[@tornadokat]

SO I just bought one of these plus a gallon of propylene glycol and a gallon of glycerin and this thing is perfect for the front entrance area of my house! It makes enough fog to give a good effect but not so much people can't see where they are walking. The one thing that sucks is it won't run over a period of time. It runs once until it needs to heat more juice then you have to hit the wired or wireless remote to make it go each time. I think I can hack the wired remote with a cheap timer module to make it go 3 or 4 seconds every 20 seconds. Thanks for this video!!!!

[@CaffeinatedAsset]

Glycerin is used in vaping products as the main ingredient, so it makes sense that the cloud is so dense. Edit: Ok I should have kept watching...

[@benschicago]

@NicolasSalencPBP - using your guidance, finally took the time to hot-rod a cheap-ass fog machine with a free used pump from an espresso repair shop and some new brass fittings and it's now 52W of much improved. Haven't messed with the juice mix yet. For now, just appreciating the gift you've given those of us with limited means but a willingness to experiment. Good stuff. Enjoy the spooky season. Thanks.

[@8hanes]

Thanks for the great tips. I presume distilled water is used for the same reason its used in coffee makers, Keurigs and CPAP machines. The minerals have been stripped out so there's no mineral build up from the heating element. That tends to shorten the life of the equipment if its not properly cleaned. In the case of fog machines, distilled water likely helps flush out any buildup that glycol and glycerin would leave behind.

[@brandonw007]

Exactly❤. I have a Keurig video on defective Keurigs. You almost always use distilled water when passing thru a pump in a mixed chemical setting.

[@billyjbryant]

If you pipe the fog output through a chiller before releasing it, it will create a great low lying fog effect. You can create a really cheap chiller taking a storage container, cutting holes in it for an inlet and outlet, filling it with dry ice then connecting the fog machine on the inlet and have the outlet run to where you want the fog to "originate" from. Putting a low speed fan before the outlet will help draw the fog out but might dissipate the effect a tad bit. Also, the PG/VG ratio for a good fog would be 40% PG, 50% VG and 10% Distilled water. Great fog thickness, super thin so its easy to pump and still a decent latent fog cloud. The biggest thing to remember is that VG increases the thickness of the "fog", while PG decreases the rate at which the fog begins to produce (IE it makes the liquid vaporize at lower temperatures). and you are correct, in a traditional fog liquid, the DW is to ensure the sticky residues of the glycerin do not linger around because not only are they super corrosive but they are also literally liquid sugars, and thus highly susceptible to spoilage (IE Mold and mildew) (I used to manufacture eLiquid and found the same thing about fog juice as a result, so definitely experimented).

[@romeo143211]

I don’t use a chiller I instead use a pond mister and a tote which works just as good

[@blasterman789]

To answer your question only small time bands or back yard Halloween shows use combustion foggers. A professional DJ or mainstream band or stage production doesn't use a$200 fog machines. They use haze machines . Haze machines dont vaporize liquid or glycol with a super hot heating block.. Haze machines use high pressure pumps to vaporize a stream of liquid much like a venturi pump produces a cloud of air bubbles. The result is a less opaque cloud that acts more like a fine mist than a white cloud. Combustion foggers also smell. Hazers have no odor.

[@AcidRP]

I work in night clubs and we all make our own juice like this. But we finally phased out these style fog machines a couple years ago after years of reports of breathing issues.

[@adysykes8975]

Interesting video - The MPG / TEG / Glycerine all have different smoke (Fog) properties - one gives a very white smoke - one gives a more grey appearence - some have better "hang" times - The mix is very dependant on what the fog is to be used for... Different smoke fluid mixes therfore have different sweet spot temperatures for the fog machines, thats the real reason you shouldn't swap fluids between machines - eg glycerine based need about 350 degC but an MPG mix could be as low as 250 - so beware wet fog or burning the vapour.... Water is used to thin some mixes and help propel the smoke further.. some companies add a touch of ethanol to really make it pop... Regards Ady@ ConceptSmoke

[@Kalosius]

Dude. Thanks. I hated dropping 60$ a gallon, this is the solution.

[@neilforker84]

My biggest gripe with cheap fog machines is the duty cycle. "Continuous" duty foggers are not only expensive, but the solution always seems to be higher power heat exchangers. That still doesn't solve the duty cycle issue. Yes, it may lengthen it, but ultimately a heat exchanger has a cool down period. Have you considered building a true continuous fog machine of your own? I'm thinking either two automatically-switched heat exchanger trains or a more sophisticated, 3 mode modulating control system on one larger capacity heat exchanger. I would think that would allow it to operate continuously at its sweet spot (maybe 67% or so?) for extended periods. The other problem I have is the machine gumming up before the evening is through. If the controller were more sophisticated, it would be way cool to include an automatic purge cycle fed by a auxiliary reservoir of 50/50 vinegar/water mix. If there were two exchangers then the purge could be executed on the non-selected heat exchanger so that even with purging you never interrupt the production of fog.

[@84westy55]

You need to use better fog fluid. Of course, cheap fog machines probably won't have proportional heater control, so your heat control might be entirely digital (on/off, based on when a thermodisc opens and closes) instead of proportional. If it smells burnt, you're literally burning the sugars in the fluid. The continuous duty machines have heaters capable of maintaining the required heat input. They also have closed loop feedback that monitors the temperature of the entire heater assembly with themocouples and adjusts accordingly with the duty cycle. The Ultratec continuous machines have heat exchange coils made from 1/4" copper tube about three feet long that is flattened and in contact with about a 6" square, thick aluminum heatsink. The G3000 actually has two coils. They take about nine minutes to heat up because the aluminum heater block is so thick, but once up and running, it takes a LOT to get them to time out. They'll happily chug along for hours at lower output. They're expensive because they're professionally designed products, expensive to make, and have to contend with liability if they don't work correctly. They're also easily rebuildable. It's only $60 for a Rapid Change kit and about thirty minutes once you get the hang of it. Cheap fog machines will always be cheap.

[@girrrrrrr2]

what about true temp control and insulating the heat block. That way the temp stays at one set number, or close to it to prevent overheating and the insulation would lose less heat to the environment allowing for less power usage, and a easier duty cycle for the heater. Basically what we do with 3d printers and those suckers can run for weeks at a time.

[@groundguy8689]

Great vid, mate. Will try this for my wind tunnel as I develop airfoils and record results for science classes!

[@michaelparris9851]

Thank you so much for creating this highly detailed video, it's very informative and has put me in the direction I want to go in for better smoke results...

[@CaptainVelveeta]

I love when I find videos of people doing what I think of doing and never do...thanks!

[@bazzatron9482]

So I just finished this modification. It was possible to complete with zero brazing because my machine connected to the motor with a ⅛” brass end cap already; I just got a ⅛” BSP nipple and an elbow, connected that to the E type pump which uses that same thread. I didn't even need to solder the connections, just clipped the motor off and used wago connectors to hook up some spade connectors I had from an old car project. 3d printed a mount for the new motor, used a couple of M3 nuts embedded to re-use the same mounting holes. Thank you so much for this really useful guide!

[@marior1245]

There are commercially available fog liquids called heavy, extra heavy or dense or so which will do more or less the same. They are containing way more glycerin/propylene glycol then the standard/cheap fog liquids. Also they are way cheaper then mixing it on your own. A 5 Liter canister will be somewhere between 20-35€, maybe even cheaper.

[@Beast3217]

true i had a long time ago a little fog machine with lithing and i also got the really heavy duty fog for outside events but used it indoors with on big whoosh my whole room was completle smoked out

[@bloogaming8827]

The fog juice he’s comparing it with is labeled Dense

[@Wolfpacker]

Maybe in Europe. A quick search, I can get a gallon each of VG and PG for $68.50, giving me 2 gallons with no dilution at $34.25/gallon. a gallon of 'extreme high density' fluid is $34.50/gallon. Assuming there is NO dilution in the premade the pricing is equal. But I suspect there is some water dilution in the premade. Not way cheaper as you mentioned.

[@ChromeOfTheFuture]

Do you know what brand?

[@ajaychoudhary9817]

this channel is pure gold

[@pixelpatter01]

Over thirty years ago while at work we had access to a pulse jet smoke machine. Of course I used the opportunity to crank it up and generate a huge thick dense cloud; which promptly drifted a short distance away on settled on a busy freeway bridge. Fortunately there were no crashing noises and I learned a lesson about big thick clouds.

[@sackofwetmice428]

fun idea: replace the smoke mixture with compressed butane/propane to have some more fun :)

[@NicolasSalencPBP]

Sounds like a plan

[@chadbergeron9135]

probably Would freeze( jus not the heated bits)

[@satinderjit4]

Hopefully no one starts smoking near it

[@step2cky]

Why not diesel in the fog machine with a pilot flame in the front

[@iwinrar5207]

I like the way you think wet mouse

[@outlawflyer7868]

Great, just when I thought I had no more projects. This is awesome!!!

[@sidmagos]

From the Vape side: PG is the carrier substance for the aroma (and the nicotine) VG is required for the fog. However, the fog that you see is mostly just water vapor. VG is hydroscopic, it attracts water. So it makes sense to add water to a fog fluid. You could try a mixture of 80% VG and 20% water

[@tdawg719]

Isn’t the correct term hydrophilic

[@sidmagos]

@@tdawg719 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygroscopy Not in this case.

[@tdawg719]

@@sidmagos the term you sent is hyGROscopic not hyDROscopic

[@sidmagos]

​@@tdawg719 oh come on, two positions on the keyboard. ;) But still "hydrophilic" is also wrong

[@tdawg719]

@@sidmagos hey man.. two positions is all it took to conceive you. Remember that

[@Tutu_72]

always a pleasure to watch your videos nick

[@nordicmind82]

Remember, "clear vinegar" or "white vinegar" "acetic vinegar" etc. does not really mean anything unless you define the percentage of actual acetic acid you mean and have in your specific bottle. It is hardly pure and normally already mixed with lots of water, because a 50/50 mix of pure with water leaves 50% and you don't want to be in the room then and you do not want that on you. Commercially available in 2%, 4%, 5%, 7%, 10%, 12%, 24%, rarely 30%, and very rarely a few others depending on country. In Northern Europe 24% is standard in grocery stores but there are normally a few bottles 12% standing just next to it on the shelves. In the U.S it is Usually sold as just 4-7% acetic acid and 93-96% water, but varies up and down, so well you see how many hundreds of percentages the difference can be. Be careful with spirit of vinegar/ättika/white vinegar/clear vinegar. Pure it has a pH of 2.5 and should be treated with respect.

[@EricdaRED95]

Your profile looks like someone I can trust this knowledge from

[@calculatedrush]

As chemists we use the term vinegar to be an estimate of 4%-12% acetic acid to water. A reason why we do this is it is faster to say vinegar than "dilute acetic acid". There isn't a single person watching this video that is going to use concentrated acetic acid thinking that's what he meant when he said vinegar. No one is going to use glacial acetic acid on their machine; Even if they had it and understood how to use it they wouldn't waste the money using glacial acetic acid when vinegar works just fine.

[@DavidBrewerESK84LIFE]

I did this before for a product video after running out of fog juice had my room smelling like cookies from the vape juice loved it

[@Crackracket]

The vape liquid that should be used in a vape like the one you showed should be a 70/30 vg/pg base. Large bottles of vape liquid like the one you showed are VERY rarely 50/50 so its most likely that the one you used in your smoke machine that smelled nice was at least 70/30. vapers have been doing these kind of experiments for at least 7 years. vg gives the best cloud production but is thick and thus needs more power to be vaporised. pg is thinner, is good as a flavour carrier but produces a more pronounced " throat hit" which isn't pleasant hence the 50/50 or 70/30 ratios

[@travelinghermit]

Longer than 7 years, I can attest

[@DeAthWaGer]

I still have bubble gum vape juice in my fog machine from 10 years ago. My band comes out in a cloud of deliciousness.

[@travelinghermit]

@@DeAthWaGer Lost opportunity if the band babe name isn't Hubba Bubba

[@DeAthWaGer]

@Mac Nifty alcohol tincture. Gonna get expensive so maybe some CBD juice just to calm the audience down if you're stoner metal.

[@Falcodrin]

@@travelinghermit 50/50 was still more common when I started which was 5 years ago.

[@AATAMI_Patrick]

Glycerin partially breaks down when heated and creates a thick residue. I think using much more water just increases the life span of the pump and heater. Now I wrote all this and then you said it yourself :D

[@WmSrite-pi8ck]

RTV: high temp silicone gasket would substitute for soldier. Used for engine gaskets. about $5 for a tube that'll last a lifetime

[@DixieNormus420]

Doing it for halloween. Using food grade pumpkin spice oil. Thanks!

[@ross123540]

The water is used to shatter the glycerine/propylene glycol into smaller droplets when it turns to steam givng more fog.

[@NicolasSalencPBP]

Interesting! I did test the glycerine at different concentrations and it really did seem like the water reduced the performance in a rather linear fashion (10x more water = 10x less fog density) if that makes sense... Maybe smaller droplets allow the fog to stay visible for a longer period of time?

[@ross123540]

@@NicolasSalencPBP its probably also a cost cutting measure as you pointed out. I imagine it would only helps to small degree, be intrested to see a batch with maybe 5-10% water and see if that’s an improvement.

[@sharpnesstherapy502]

@@NicolasSalencPBP I think it may have to do with safety and temperature, remember these fog juices must work with all foggers. I think the water is used to regulate the temperature of the glycerin and glycol, the water will never surpass its boiling point unless it is under high pressure so mixing it in would keep the glycerin from making dangerous fumes.

[@y-o-u-b]

@@sharpnesstherapy502 yes, and thats important! acrolein etc. ecigs use lower temps so there its no problem to use (nearly) pure pg/vg

[@NicolasSalencPBP]

@@y-o-u-b I believe acrolein forms at 290°C. I have never seen a machine that has a temperature sensor that cuts off the heater at a temperature higher than 260°C... However due to thermal inertia and the fact that the coil is way closer to the heater than the sensor is, the coil might get hotter than 260°C for a brief moment. Perhaps the water is used to absorb some of that extra heat?

[@jovand6606]

You literally made a giant vape, i love it! Maybe add vape juice aroma too so it smells nice too.

[@HALDikopter]

Big LOL moment when you ignited the flame with a tazer.... 🤣

[@ryancooper3629]

Man, I wish I had watched this video before I went out and bought a 1500w fog machine because i was sick and tired of my 400w one from never making enough fog to fill my space... Live and learn, though, in theory I can now make a crap ton of fog by using the big machine AND the custom fluid. :)

[@noelandrew3600]

im wanting to build a sign with one of these upgraded units inside, shaped like a giant Vape, with a random timer and motion activated, for a friends vape store. make for an impressive eye catcher

[@usednapkin245]

Damn I’d shop there all day, good luck with that!

[@samuelmessiha8609]

Thanks for releasing the first video in a while

[@tonybony5805]

A word of caution some cheap fog machines do not have a separate metal tube in the aluminium heater block for the fluid instead a gallery is moulded in the aluminium . If the themostat fails and the failsafe fuse isnt positioned snugly you will pump a stream of molten metal across the room.

[@corgi1g]

I don't even own a fog machine neither did i ever want/watched a video about one still 10/10 video

[@justinsgarage1125]

I highly recommend using a water based fog like Froggys Fog…their Swamp Juice has ridiculous hang time and density without the Negative effects of glycerin and PG. Operating a FEC, I’ve never had any complaints from froggy’s products.

[@railfan8895]

What are the negative effects of glycerin and PG?

[@lostplshelp]

@@railfan8895 Typically nothing super serious, just unpleasant - Eye and throat irritation mostly

[@lcruz2783]

This great and always cool to see how these things work. I can't wait for Halloween

[@ryanchase2092]

Also, If you run the fog through a tube, then the tube Through a cooler with ice, then another tube where you want the fog to go, it will stay lower to the ground

[@ProleDaddy]

Sweet. Great work, comrade. It's wonderful to see my brethren learning, creating, and saving money. Saving money equates to power for the workers. Very nice. 👌

[@dfwjac]

Unscented is fine for those who are allergic/have a toxic reaction to fragrance chemicals. As for why corproations don't just use the two ingredients, you answered in your comments: HIGH CONCENTRATIONS OF GLYCERIN OR PROPELENE GLYCOL CAN BE TOXIC. It does coat the lungs after all.

[@9and12wholepizzas]

Damn I've been vaping high concentrations for years and feel fine. It's almost like glycogen is in a life of things!

[@shanewallis69]

Thanks maan 💯🤙 I’m about to buy a cheap fogger and with your hacks I’m confident of good results now 🏴‍☠🤙

[@tylermcbride2807]

Wonder how the run time would increase with pre-heated (below boiling) fog liquid?

[@wccrispy]

Kids walk down regular driveway for Halloween. They ring the doorbell and then the machine activates and completely obscures everything around them in seconds. That would be terrifying lol

[@lucasceleste4743]

"How To Make a Cheap Fog Machine 10 Times More Powerful" 193k people who most likely don't have a fog machine: *Hmm yes yes let's find out*

[@crispykevin5606]

A beast diy vape mod. Thanks dude, now all my buddies can get a buzz simultaneously

[@kevinmartin7760]

When you use one of these indoors and the fog dissipates, it isn't vanishing, much of it is settling on all the nearby surfaces, so you are coating everything with a fine layer of glycerin and/or propylene glycol. The same happens outdoors but over a much larger space so the coating is correspondingly thinner.

[@1chrisanderson]

This. I'm livestreaming in my garage-sized studio and I don't want all my electronics and gear covered in that sticky coating (which then has dust settling on it too). Also, filling a room with a higher concentration fog will definitely be noticeable to anyone breathing it. Maybe not the most pleasant sensation haha

[@camerica7400]

Lost my tv to this :(

[@brokenflaregun4880]

why does vape smell stick to my breath but not clothes

[@MrAdrianSW]

Some really good info here. Thank you. Whats really interesting is how easy it is to buy Gallons of propylene glycol for less than a few dollars. The Veg Glycerin is a bit more expensive, but not prohibitive. I have been in the garage making all kinds of things for Halloween out of old Styrofoam, and other salvaged bits, it never occurred to me to tinker with my Crappy 400w cheapest possible Fog machine (from Walmart). Not that Im going to tinker with it, until 'necessary' but I will certainly play with the Fog juice aspect. Also, knowing that Im using just propylene glycol and a simple thinner means I feel safer having it around the aforementioned Styrofoam without risk of Melting. :) So. if you wanted atmospheric fog, Glycol, or if you wanted low laying (cooled) fog, Glycerin.

[@BillBard]

Couldn't you just preheat the juice reservoir to a higher temperature, but still below the flash point to not cool down the heating element as fast when the liquid passes through it?

[@dalexplym4882]

Good idea... That would also reduce viscosity, which should be helpful. Some insulation of the bottle and lines could help.

[@johncarr4427]

Add a length of tubing long enough to be placed in the water of the swimming pool for a bubbly foggy good time I would love to see that ! Thanks for the great vid.

[@LilReaper1010]

Glycerin and glycol are essentially sugars, and would turn into gum when heated, which would explain the clogging issue. Hence the need for water. Yea, use vape juice and get hella nic'd out!!

[@davepestcontrol2646]

Thanks once again, ive just done what you said and absolutely brilliant, cheers for the time posting it. 👍👍👍

[@Guzard420]

Would pharmaceutical grade PG or VG be safe to inhale? -It would? That’s what I’ve been inhaling for 8 years from my vape. Really makes you question why our government is banning vaping while allowing cigarettes to be sold. Please question the government.

[@GruntGeneral808]

Unfortunately Altria’s got a lot of investors and the like

[@SaltyMikan]

Probably because they make more money from allowing cigarette sales, while they can act like they care by banning vaping

[@scottwillis5434]

There's a quote about how those who love the law or sausage should not inquire too closely as to what goes into making them... There's no such thing as a "government" as a single monolithic entity. There are people fighting, working sometimes together and other times at cross - purposes, agreements that shift and change, equipment, paper (so much paper) and buildings. I suspect that vaping (which does after all add a new chemical to what you are breathing) had less entrenched support than tobacco, which has been around for hundreds of years.

[@UnitSe7en]

Because it needs more regulation. For health: There are cases of cheap juice containing compounds that are very dangerous, and cheap ecigs that heat even normal fluid beyond the point where glycerin starts producing the dangerous gas. Like this stuff will drop you quick. And for tax: When you can't regulate the flow of products, you can't effectively tax them. In Australia only nicotine juice is illegal. This covers both parts of this reasoning since nicotine is a poison and again, unregulated production and sales means many juices have _insane_ amounts of nicotine in them. It also would eat into their _massive_ tax on tobacco. They might not care about your life expectancy, but not many governments want their ppl falling over immediately thanks to unregulated Chinese goods - like, that's kind of a bad look. You want to be seen to be addressing that. These people still had many more years of being taxed on their tobacco, too.

[@Guzard420]

@@UnitSe7en Wow a lot of misinformation in that post. More regulation? Like what the FDA did? They have not approved 1 PMTA application for any vapor product. Which means any vapor product being sold right now has to be taken off the shelf. They waiting on applications from Juul, Vuse, and Blu. So any vapor that gets approved will be from Big Tobacco. That’s not sensible regulation. The temperatures we vape at are no where near the dangerous levels that you describe. Any study that proves that they over heated the coil, as in a dry hit. Vapers don’t go around all day long doing dry hits. The tax issue. They should heavily tax the scientifically proven deadly product to discourage smoking and not tax the 95% safer product! And finally, yes Nicotine is a poison. But it’s the dose that makes it a poison. Pure nicotine is 1,000 mg. 3-50mg is what’s in juice. Plenty of studies proving nicotine is as safe as caffeine. Smokers die from the tar, not the nicotine.

[@zombiecampos]

I just tried the 50/50 mix in a 400w machine and it´s awesome! Thanks!

[@Jynxx_13]

They don't use that concentration due to the film that is left behind on EVERYTHING!...walls, ceilings, EXPENSIVE ELECTRONICS!!

[@TragicAyk]

... lungs

[@Rune-Thorne]

run it though a hose, it lingers outdoors on the ground longer and you can poke holes in the hose to give it multiple points of exit.

[@chaniem.5422]

I really hope people that freak out about vape juice having "the same thing that's in antifreeze" learned something 🤣

[@wcurtin1962]

Looking to add fog to my alarm system, great info!

[@JovialMrFox]

Using the taser to light the torch gave me a good laugh. Loved the video.

[@TheMrGeek]

The neighbours must love you!

[@itzzmarkify]

I followed along this whole video didn’t pause it once thanks for the tutorial.

[@thetruthserum2816]

Awesome... Now to make a Fog Juice pre-heater with a thermally insulated bottle, or an inline pre-heater block.

[@dfair]

I hope the neighbors had a heads up so they don't call the FD lol - NICE informative video sir!

[@spreg5729]

I used a cheap fog machine off of amazon 4 years ago and only ran only 0 nic bazooka strawberry vape juice through it, best use of 0 nic vape juice. It smells great and provides a thick fog. The machine ran it perfectly fine and is yet to be clogged.

[@qaisjamal]

the last part was amazing, you need to throw a party with these

[@polisheverything1970]

50/50 mix is what "mouth to lung" vapers use as a base mix, the mod that you used for demonstration purposes is a "direct lung" and uses typically 70/30 (VG/PG)

[@phillip557]

Please don't give your party a hot cosby. Great video. I learned a lot

[@BK-hq7tn]

This is some brilliant and valuable information. Thank you sir.

[@romeo143211]

I did 40% PG and 40%VG and 10% DW and it the results so far are perfect

[@elarcadenoah9000]

you are the new king of ramdom

[@athleticmistud]

I worked for the largest maker of machines in the world. The reason distilled water is used is to keep out the impurities. Tap water has minerals which when the water evaporites leaves scale and will not only clog your machine but also destroy the tube and pump prematurely. The water is in the juice for 2 reasons. Fluidity it more evenly mixed the glycol and glycerin preventing the oil and water effect so the fog is consistent. The only way to really clean the machine is by using 50% water and 50% vinegar and running it through which will clean out the internal workings. You should NOT add perfume as most are toxic when heated. Your better off adding candy flavoring extracts. Used to give candy flavor but has no sugar. Like from Loraine. You don’t want to change the pump unless you extend the heating block length. Making it hotter will not do. You need the conductive thermal energy and the longer block allows the faster or larger pump to still heat and not spit out liquid . When done always run either Vinegar and water or just plain distilled water through leaving any of it in the machine will cause the impeller’s to deform and any tubing could as well

[@davepestcontrol2646]

Brilliant, need one for drain testing and this is a brilliant video 👍👍

[@Rms2015]

I suspect the reason for the fog juice having a large water content (aside from making it cheaper and motivating people to buy fancier foggers) is to reduce the fire risk: water takes a lot of energy to vaporize, keeping the heat chamber cool, while the high content of steam probably makes the fog significantly less combustible. Combined with the economic incentive, the design pressures seem pretty clear

[@jonathanb.1625]

Bro ur french ! ur english accent is amazing !!!!

[@Azzy5k]

I like your brain keep up the good videos

[@gokuzawa268]

Quick tip I learnt with ecig : You can get very high quality PG and VG that is made for horses. I know you're thinking it's low quality if it's made for animals, I thought the same, but it turns out those are very fragile animals, and the PG/VG used is close to pharma grade (sometime they have the pharma grade label). If you need high quantities, this will be much cheaper.

[@skampp]

Dude I call BS. Horses don't even have thumbs, so how can they vape?