The Cause of Mass Psychosis - An Analysis of Jung's Undiscovered Self

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In 1956, Jung wrote the essay entitled, "Past and Future" in German, but we know it in English as "The Undiscovered Self". Having witnessed the horror of the world wars, and the ongoing apocalyptic danger of the Cold War, Jung attempted to explain why it was that societies sometimes went mad. This is how Europe experienced the outbreak of The Great War: as mass insanity. Why would free people gravitate towards cult-like tyrannies? How could ordinarily moral and reasonable people perpetrate acts of unthinkable violence? And how could our constitutional democracies remain susceptible to these outbursts, if we are so committed to principles such as freedom and human dignity? For Jung, the only answer is self-knowledge, but that is the one thing that modern society is making impossible.
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[@untimelyreflections]

Thank you!

[@ejenkins4711]

I wonder if that dream jung had about the sarcophagi was about? Also im glad he didnt see the internet, conssidering his discovery of The collective unconsious ⌚🐟🍀

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[@alohm]

Jung wrote about his patients being the proto-herd that Fritz warned about. The solution to Jung was the same solution posited by Nietzsche. Schatzen and Gestalt. To find meaning where it is sourced. Within. To find that no one aspect of 'us' is the real us, it is a complex of all our parts. Individuation is realizing our gestalten. "I have treated many hundreds of patients. Among those in the second half of life - that is to say, over 35 - there has not been one whose problem in the last resort was not that of finding a religious outlook on life." ― Carl Gustav Jung, Modern Man in Search of a Soul A religious view in life: that is to see ourselves as the arbiter of meaning, value, creating... Let you be the greatest of your creations...

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Thank you for helping me find my purpose in life, you have been such a guide in my understanding of life, which led to me figuring out I could write poetry, and also for my passion for psychology and philosophy too. You are a true free spirit passing on the flame.

[@TheFreekThuis]

Yes!! I am so happy that you continue with Jung, amazing work! 🙏

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Recently have fallen in love with your podcasts. Funnily enough this book is how I started to dive into philosophy more and read it twice these past 6 months. Excited to listen to another great commentary keep up the amazing work!

[@alohm]

My own theory that community, eklessia, sangha, is the heart of our malaise. As Nietzsche said we are knowers but the last we will know is ourselves. So 'I and thou' of Buber: that means not knowing ourselves is to never know others. To never truly be a part of an authentic community. Thus the malaise. Ourselves, each other and our world is fake, and we know it. All the world is a stage and we but actors upon it. The world does not have to be, we do not need be. We can be agents rather than actors: but that will take sustained courage . So many lack the fortitude for sustained effort or courage...

[@alohm]

1:30:00 "The most dangerous thing about unconsciousness is that it goes on without our knowing it. We live, act, and think unconsciously and cannot see the consequences of our actions." "The most frequent cause of human error is unconsciousness. It is always the unconscious that pushes us into the worst errors." Jung

[@bellakrinkle9381]

Yet, how do we evolve towards self-observation and self-reflection? Confronting our shadow figures projected onto unknown acquaintances or "enemies." The unconscious holds all our fears, hostilities, secrets, wishes, and hopes. View the errors of life as our friends, not enemies -- a door opener to self-discovery.

[@alohm]

@@bellakrinkle9381 Read Jung's Red Book ;)

[@bellakrinkle9381]

Do you know if anyone here understands my question?

[@alohm]

@@bellakrinkle9381 he called it individuation. To know what differentiates you from others. Self exploring begins by looking at and into others first.

[@H.C.J.]

Great video. I love learning about Jung and Nietzsche, and you make their complex ideas more understandable without dumbing them down (Like JBP). I think the way ideas are communicated is very important, and you do a better job than most professors.

[@maileswales9174]

Thank you for this great episode again! What sets you apart are the synthesis building of different people and distanced and careful words not to project a specific belief

[@nachashiesu-sophia]

Much of Jung's point about religion is really one of forming and maintaining a connection to the divine, a matter of spirit rather than theistic ideology. Religion was simply a potential means to that end, in Jung's belief. But Jung also believed that organized religion could serve to prevent the individual from having a genuine spiritual experience. So I think that this particular part of his work is best understood in terms of spiritual experience, not religious adherence (and not least of all because of the fact that the word "religion" differs so much in interpretation between people). Basically Jung's argument here is that without transcending the corporeal forces of nature and nurture, then free will is entirely impossible, and thus the individual remains a mindless object upon which those subjects (including the people around him) act. I believe Jung to be correct about spirituality, and Nietzsche right about religion, but each on a situational basis. For example, many of those who have even their own individual spiritual experiences are really just constructing a system of values, from axioms not their own, and are only superficially distinct from the herd ('tis often, in fact, that their spirituality exists for the primary purpose of convincing themselves that they are free from influences that their spirituality is designed to serve). This is not to say that one must be explicitly spiritually active to be spiritually realised in some way. Spirituality is quite often implicitly realised and enacted. There are people who purport to be spiritually-developed (for lack of a better term) who are completely void of any progress in the wedding 'tween spirit and soul, and professed atheists who have acquired significant amounts of gnosis. I believe this to be why Crowley considered Nietzsche to be a Gnostic saint (a choice of word that is ironic to the point of pathology, I know) of some kind (Crowley's opinion on this is what I am citing, I'm not arguing for its validity). I appreciate your channel (which is my absolute favourite on any platform) and you very much, my brother. Much love from New Zealand.

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I eat this up. I’ve watched like 5 videos in the past 2 days. All I wanna do is hear you talk about people. It’s like story time. I’m strapped in the whole time.

[@BlaisePascal-bo4mo]

Decades before Jung the Mass Psychosis was analyzed by Gustav Lebon. For me is a mystery why Lebon's books are relatively unknown now.

[@danmarco7126]

The Shadow can only explain so much of where we are now. Sure, mankind isn't a creature who is the maker of his own fate, but the public is also very opposed to war. "One of the hopeful things that I’ve discovered is that nearly every war that has started in the past 50 years has been a result of media lies. The media could’ve stopped it if they had searched deep enough; if they hadn’t reprinted government propaganda they could’ve stopped it.” - Julian Assange

[@bellakrinkle9381]

Julian probably today understands that they did not choose to stop it. It's all about the tranfer of wealth and hegemony.

[@James-ll3jb]

An optimistic conclusion. We're all nazis at heart.😊

[@DrRDW]

You disputed your argument. The media played on the shadow of the collective or the individual shadows of the masses, however you decide to view it.

[@palawanjungledays3099]

Greetings from Palawan.

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@@palawanjungledays3099 Greetings from Negrod

[@stanecot6607]

Some of the best work on the breakdown of Jung’s thoughts. Great work

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[@Phoeagdor]

Well done, great cast, hugely timely, intuit on.

[@rohanquinby3188]

Superb. I appreciated your explication of Jung's critique of the statistical average, and of the many ways that this problem or limit manifests itself.

[@hammerdureason8926]

yo, good job dude! had to chuckle a bit at 35:54 "nature experiments with the doctor in expecting an answer from them. the uniqueness of the individual & of their situation stares the analyst in the face and demands an answer" this is an accurate definition of parenthood just replace "doctor" & "analyst" with parent. :)

[@robv4931]

I can't praise your work enough. Thank you for sharing your expertise.

[@pseudonym34]

love the videos on Jung please make more. he is my favorite philosopher/psychologist personally

[@cosmosaic8117]

This absolutely blew my mind. Was my first listen to your channel. Thanks

[@untimelyreflections]

Welcome aboard!

[@cosmosaic8117]

@@untimelyreflections Thanks!

[@yeyohuevonhassassin2]

Oh yes, the unholy triad, Nietzche, Freud and Jung

[@James-ll3jb]

Yes, all that thoughtfulness! Unlike your Beyoncé, Lady Gaga and Cardi B 😂

[@Maria-b9j5w]

Jung is far from being unholy.

[@bellakrinkle9381]

@@Maria-b9j5w He was not "holy" because he was clueless about his libido (Oedipus complex); hence, he repeatedly had sex with his patients and students. Yes.

[@dannyglands4565]

Reading the manifesto of futurism and learning about the cultural ideas leading up to WW1 in college really blew my mind. People really did believe they could end the war in a matter of days due to the technology

[@Havre_Chithra]

Anyone else feel we have already reached the precipice of mass psychosis?

[@untimelyreflections]

Every election cycle

[@Havre_Chithra]

@untimelyreflections Last spring/summer I felt it with such great force that I nearly destroyed me.

[@Nimbulus85]

We have absolutely come nowhere near the precipice, thankfully. It does feel something is brewing, but having been involved in actual riots, I can say we are quite far from the actual edge of mass psychosis when we are capable and privileged of exploring our cultural anxieties about the nature of next steps.

[@Havre_Chithra]

@@Nimbulus85 I'll be holding on to my seat for the next 12 months.

[@bellakrinkle9381]

@@Nimbulus85 Thank you for your clear mind. However, what words have you for mass delusion?

[@jrfii-yt]

Scientism is a religion.

[@carenkurdjinian5413]

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[@Nimbulus85]

@untimelyreflections, have you, in your travels, had the occasion to come upon Edward Edinger’s work subsequent to Jung, in which he provides tremendously compelling evidence of Nietzsche’s encounter with Zarathustra as akin to Arjuna encountering Krishna, Saul encountering Christ on the road to Damascus and Jacob wrestling with the angel? Not unlike Jung’s own encounter with Philemon. The “Greater” or “Objective” Personality is what Edinger often uses as a term to refer to it.

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I really liked your Jung episodes. Thanks.🙂

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[@alohm]

1:37:50 I would point out that Jung likely meant to refer to Augustine and his Caritas, just as Hannah Arendt wrote her thesis on the same. A love not often mentioned today. Augustine distinguishes two types of love: heavenly love (caritas) and earthly love (cupiditas). Could I argue a similar unification found in Tantra(I argue Fritz and Jung would have loved a true tantric perspective on life and meta).

[@bellakrinkle9381]

This is the reason that Jung interests few people. Everything is cloaked in poetic symbolism. Was Jung seeking heavenly or earthy love when balling his students occasionally?

[@bellakrinkle9381]

Finding one's inner being is a religious experience that far exceeds Christianity and all other religions.

[@pauladee6937]

It's a SPRITUAL EXPERIANCE. RELIGIONS are man made

[@CliffJekel]

What if a religion is your path to finding inner being? Why contrast these ideas?

[@virtue_signal_]

I'm religious but not spiritual..

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This is timely.

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The angry mob gains a spontaneous shared fantasy (Sam Vaknin thinks along these lines). Thank you for your lucid interpretation of Jung. It's the best 👌 Your broad ranged ,inclusive perspectives of economics and geopolitics bring exceptional wisom to 1:17:54 Jung's holistic 🌎 world view of humanity, all in one video. I must get your book 😂💖💫

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[@didjesbydan]

You said artists can be un-self-reflective in some very stunning ways. I have my own thoughts about which ways, but I'm curious about which ways you have in mind. It does seem like the ability to get into creative flow states involves necessarily suppressing analytical thought. And there can be a feeling of "channeling" something which seems meaningful, but the artist doesn't have any ideas about the meaning. Maybe in retrospect when somebody asks "What does this piece mean?"

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[@zegeist333]

great video. really interested in your take on ian mcgilchrist and the divided brain theory

[@bellakrinkle9381]

Or what about Sam Vaknin's Whole Brain theory?

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[@fusion9619]

32:55 for the most profound thing I've heard in at least a month.

[@shaunokane9600]

I can't stop thinking about how the most Jungian thing that I've ever read is Chapter 4. The Despisers of the Body from Thus Spake Zarathustra. Jung clearly felt the consequences of that in a psychosis and really fleshed out the idea. Nietzsche's magnum opus was the myth of the unconscious, Freud's great work was the Science and Jung's was an earnest attempt and the fusion of the ideas.

[@bellakrinkle9381]

Clearly, he failed. There was too much competition between the two of them. Both were attempting to make names for themselves, probably Freud more so than Jung.

[@mat7083]

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[@ggrthemostgodless8713]

10:40 ""...if the entire world can go mad, what does that mean for humanity??..."" He never defined this UNDEFINABLE term, 'mad', so he keeps speaking of it in those terms, and I disagree with Jung, on this as well as many other things, I don't think the regular soldier with no CHOICE but forced into battle is "mad"... same with all other REGULAR people, and I would suggest even MOST politicians, they confronted the events that CASCADED from a few mad men, with the ONLY tools they had at their disposal, but since those few mad men in charge at the top, they failed to rain them under control. The checks and balances didn't work as intended, the mad men undid most of those controls, once in power. Only then did fear made them act like mad people, but they were conscious of being outside there morality, as shown immediately after the mad men were defeated. It is the morality and norms for war, against the morality and rules for peace times that keep the ever encroaching "power corrupts" fact in check. Now in 2024-25 we are about to put those restraining controls to the test yet one more time; bc the few mad people are coming out into the open aggressively again. And propaganda like the one that guy who hired models to smoke cigarettes during a parade, is already openly in circulation, how many people can identify it or resist it?? Nietzsche said that the STATE is the most horrifying invention humankind ever created, a monster. And Jug made Nietzsche's clear ideas more convoluted and thus more difficult to understand, but I have as yet to see any ONE original idea from Jung, all the things he is famous for in psychology or psychoanalysis are not his, Nietzsche anticipated all of this. So Jung "helped" to create what exactly?? He helped propagate, popularize, or diffuse ideas. If he weren't so intelligent I am tempted to cal him a charlatan, like the current Jordan Peterson and Deepak Chopra. Read Peterson's "Maps Of Meaning" and see whose books he reminds you of?? Or listen to Depack Chppra and his insane use of quantum mechanics' terms to fool people and...

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[@MsJavaWolf]

I guess I just wonder how you would, in practice, distinguish between genuine religious experiences and fake ones. Some say that a genuine religious experience is self authenticating, you know when you had it, but there is still the asymmetry where people can convince themselves they had one, when they didn't. Some of the craziest people claimed they had these kinds of experiences, apparently some Nazis thought they were connected to ancient Aryan spirits. I recognize the dangers of following the herd but there is also the danger of believing whatever your mind cooks up. We might remember reformers who were religious, like Gandhi or MLK in a positive light but the opposite of this also exists. We could just say that those negative cases never had a genuine religious experience, but how do we know?

[@untimelyreflections]

It’s an unsolvable problem, imo

[@kennethanderson8827]

This episode I attempted to do something efficient today on Spotify, because the character limitations force that upon me. It is good for my skill as a writer, and it gives me the illusion of humility. Indeed, I am a prideful prick, or what new agers in my home neighborhood refer to as- - a Leo. However, you Can trust my Lion eyes. My lyin’ days were plentiful, often dependent upon what, and how many drugs I was consuming. Born in the USA! I am a consumer, and a radical/hardcore//moderate///centrist- and a registered independent. In other words, what leftoids who consider marx profound- a conservative dick, and a loud one at that, especially when my trumpet and/or its mouthpiece gets involved. I have to get back to work. I’m leaning against a sad and lonely black Jetta. Poor little guy, I’m gonna cheer him up. Later- maybe timeline/outline to describe my incredible psychological breakthrough. Hint- the process only took around 4 decades or so….. however, the finale was quick and seemingly spontaneous. Adios

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[@ggrthemostgodless8713]

Nietzsche and Jung are intelligent, but Nietzsche is great, Jung is a voodoo psychologists, archetypes and such.

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[@cheri238]

Sonu Shamdasani "The Redbook, " Libra Novus edited and with an Introduction. "The Making of Jung's Myth: Archivo di Storia della Psicologia, with Alejandro, from South America in English. A new way of studying the history of pschotherapy. External history is much more than the history of sciences. It is impossible to study a history hybrinized in other new countries. 1. 1963 Jung's Reflections in 1963 his 83rd year. 3 major studies Jung's Myth - 1967 Mary Luiz Vanon Francis - 1972 1984, Edward Ettinger, "The Consciousness for Man." Find your on myth self- introspection and self- reflections. Frederick Nietzsche, writing "The Birth of Tragedy," with the Opera of Wagner. Jan.1, 1914 Jung's dream of the Lybian desert. Jung's eye addressed the sun. A beetle sticks to things. Do they live a myth? Higher powers, diamonds, and gods, one must not give over to gods. Exocertic and essoteric.

[@bellakrinkle9381]

All the above is lovely, but it's mainly for academics. Why are most folks here? To heal themselves, to become analysts, or to become professors? IDK.

[@kennethanderson8827]

One more thing and then I’m done for a while: I’m thinking of changing my name from Ken Anderson to Kenn Morrison. happy keith morris day- 08-30- ~ infinity

[@ikemuhlen]

nice, Jung is the best

[@bellakrinkle9381]

I'm sorry to share my reflections because it may upset viewers. 56:05 Spontaneous acceptance of Christianity can be traced to the origin of a delusional fixation of JC. This is a hypothesis of mine, I believe.

[@CoincidenceOfOpposites]

@untimelyreflections I mistakenly deleted my comment with your reply. I also wanted to ask if you have any plans on covering Foucalt in a podcast(you replied that a podcast on Heidegger is coming soon)? Sorry for bothering you. 🙏

[@untimelyreflections]

Madness and Civilization coming soon

[@CoincidenceOfOpposites]

Great, thank you.

[@uperdown0]

21:00 ah yes, like those terrible French and American revolutions. God, that was just a series of desperate peasant revolts, right?

[@cherihausmann]

But the challenges are always the same underlying issues that point back to the drive theory. And this is why Jung fails in comparison to Freud's original ideas. What Jung fails to mention is that nothing really changes.

[@bellakrinkle9381]

Yes, the Drive Theory is fundamentally essential and primary. Sam Vaknin is updating psychoanalytic thinking. The PSA has been holding psychoanalysis back for a century, IMO. How the drive theory is presented online by traditional psychoanalysts drives me nuts!

[@kennethanderson8827]

Kenn Morrison: “This is the beginning, why in the hell are you posting at 1:11, two minutes off, fake San Diego time?” why the fuck not/ and passed out early// and goddamn caffeine///kratom combo (honesty- it’s such a lonely word- fuck it- true story, not a joke- I’m a maniac on the earth/dirt, there is no dirth of dirt, on earth. Oith if you talk like Bugs Bunny.) huh????????????????🦇🐍🦅

[@ggrthemostgodless8713]

2:00 So ... how much of our morality and mind is a result of the tings like the steam engine and other powers humanity has now?? Environment is NOT the result of the mind ORIGINALLY but now the environment IS in large part if not MOST OF IT a result of human activity, which is driven by necessity and mind. How to act and this beyond the environments we have??

[@bramblemat]

modern concept of a nation?

[@Schixotica]

Once you mentioned Carlin I couldn’t stop hearing his influence in your cadence and manner of speaking and had to stop

[@nguyenquangminh4814]

Minutes after the first comment. 25 minutes after video upload

[@jrfii-yt]

Paradoxically, Jung, Neitzche, Dostoyevsky, Camus and a few others led me to Christ.

[@bellakrinkle9381]

See? Many are religious folks trying to validate Christ and the Christian Doctrine. I'm happy for you, but I only began to get better when I left the church in my early twenties. However, I'm not a philosopher, scholar, or academic. I gained knowledge experientially by searching within instead of hoping God could help me.

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[@alohm]

54:30 I Would point out that Nietzsche was a philologist, and Jung was intimidated by his command of German, not to mention the other languages. I think we should consider the root of religion especially when discussing these two. Religio. Or in Sanskrit that better defines this. Sraddha is faith, but it is devotion, commitment, and confidence. Doubt is part of this path, and we can often vacillate between them. But it is not certainty, nor something given. Look at the Greek word used when Jesus asks the lady if she was a believer: Pisteuo means to be convinced, to be committed... (believe (239x), commit unto (4x), commit to (one's) trust (1x), be committed unto (1x), be put in trust with (1x), be commit to one's trust (1x), believer (1x).)

[@alohm]

### The Roots of Religion: "Religio" and "Sraddha" The exploration of the root of "religion" is particularly compelling. The Latin term *religio* often implies a sense of binding or commitment, which aligns with the idea of being deeply connected to something greater than oneself. This ties into the Sanskrit term *sraddha*, which, as you rightly note, encompasses more than just faith-it includes devotion, commitment, and confidence. Unlike a passive or unquestioning belief, *sraddha* suggests an active, dynamic process where doubt plays a crucial role. This concept challenges the idea that faith is about certainty; instead, it's about a committed engagement with the unknown, where one is constantly navigating between doubt and conviction. ### Greek Perspective: "Pisteuo" and the Nature of Belief Your reference to the Greek term *pisteuo*, used in the context of belief in the New Testament, further enriches this discussion. *Pisteuo* translates not simply to "believe" in a passive sense, but to "be convinced" or "committed." This implies a conscious decision to trust, a commitment that goes beyond mere intellectual assent. It’s a form of belief that requires active participation and a degree of personal investment. In the story of Jesus and the lady, *pisteuo* suggests that belief is less about accepting a set of dogmas and more about a profound personal commitment to a relationship or an idea. ### Integrating These Concepts with Nietzsche and Jung When discussing Nietzsche and Jung, this understanding of faith as a dynamic, committed process provides a new lens through which to view their ideas. Nietzsche’s critique of traditional religion as a source of "slave morality" could be seen not as a rejection of faith per se, but of a faith that lacks *sraddha*-one that is not actively engaged or questioned. Similarly, Jung’s emphasis on individuation and the integration of the self could be seen as a journey of *pisteuo*, where the individual commits to the difficult path of self-discovery and authenticity. ### Faith, Doubt, and Authenticity Your interpretation suggests that true faith, whether in a religious, philosophical, or psychological sense, involves a balance between doubt and conviction. It's a process that requires ongoing effort and courage-qualities that are central to the ideas of both Nietzsche and Jung. In a way, both thinkers might agree that faith is not about clinging to certainty but about the courage to commit to an uncertain path, whether that path leads to self-understanding, personal growth, or a deeper connection to others. This nuanced understanding of faith, rooted in linguistic and cultural context, offers a powerful framework for discussing the ideas of Nietzsche and Jung, particularly in relation to the challenges of modern life and the search for meaning.

[@bellakrinkle9381]

@@alohm You stated, "Your interpretation suggests that true faith, whether in a religious, philosophical, or psychological sense, involves a balance between doubt and conviction. It's a process that requires ongoing effort and courage-qualities central to the ideas of both Nietzsche and Jung. In a way, both thinkers might agree that faith is not about clinging to certainty but about the courage to commit to an uncertain path, whether that path leads to self-understanding, personal growth, or a deeper connection to others." My question is, why do those who are religious cling to certainty yet have no understanding of who they are, except as a person of their religious faith?

[@alohm]

@@bellakrinkle9381 Because they tend, as J.Krishnamurti said in 1929 when he dissolved the order of the star in the east. He said that organized religions tend to take place for the self discovery, and the agency is replaced by the tractate of another.

[@bellakrinkle9381]

@@alohm My tractate is Freud, Jung, and myself - now that I've discovered personal agency. We all make our choices based on life's experiences.

[@nickprobst6841]

Thank you😂

[@kalervolatoniittu2011]

Yep. Thanks for these podcasts,have broadent mi horizon of what means to be a human. Did not have the curiosity towards philosophy/philosophers before your way of presenting those thouhgts and that how thought your shit appears

[@brendanerickson2363]

♥️ ♥️

[@carenkurdjinian5413]

😂True…..🌞

[@kennethanderson8827]

The next piece of evidence came in the form of another perverse humiliation prize that I have kept as a Thucydidean Trophy- - an old mini Louisville Slugger baseball bat from around 1940. When T gave it to me at the gathering following my grandpa’s funeral in ‘97, I was honored. This history & antique loving surfer was stoked. Again, I now consider that a weird & perverted humiliation ritual. My curse//blessing intuition tells me so. Whatever- I will refuse to never mind my unconscious, my Great Spiritual Uncle tells me so. paragraph #402 of Aion = 46 & 2. keep that shit secret~ ~ ~ ~ ~ the guy who wrote that goofy title allegedly knows a bit of that Brazilian wrestling shit~ ~ shhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!👣

[@Life_Of_Mine_]

I hate Jung... real psychoanalytic psychologists study Lacan and Freud...

[@bellakrinkle9381]

No, they study all of them, including Jung. (As an aside, until this video, most videos on Jung are either too obscure or too simplistic.) I originally scorned Lacon without knowing anything about his theories. Now, 1:04:56 I'm ready to listen because he is the most recent thinker, along with Sam Vaknin in psychoanalytic treatment.

[@bellakrinkle9381]

For many years I have believed that the best psychoanalytic treatment would result from the blending of Jung and Freud. Now days classical psychoanalysis is being updated as we speak. Finally.✅️

[@kenswain3400]

Harsh, Dude. Endeavor not to "hate." '

[@kennethanderson8827]

Goddammit! I’ve been misspelling “morgenrote” for the last couple of weeks! My shame and utter embarrassment is profound! How oh how is a shy and timid little lamb such as myself ever going to appear in public again? Am I gonna have to bust out my super-spy anti-shy burkha?? Yes!! Of course! After all, the merciless sun is slowly turning me into space dust. Goddammit! I’m not ready to be space dust yet! Fuck you Heraclitus, you’re gonna have to wait a while before you get a line of this guy’s space dust.✨🪐🌒

[@jamescareyyatesIII]

Ontogeny recapitulates philogeny.

[@krispycool1]

"Western democracies" lol you are so funny...