NIGHT SCHOOL: Should Radicals Support Kamala Harris? What is the Status of Third Party Politics?

[@B_Shaheed]

Are we gonna ever hear her policies Or just hear about her endorsements

[@WeAreNotGoingBackEver]

Donald Trump MUST BE DEFEATED by any means necessary. Kamala is a means to do that.

[@WeActRadioDC]

Thank you

[@End_Zionism]

We know her policies she has a long track record. She’s an evil establishment military industrial complex Zionist and a fraud

[@scottcove683]

These organizations and politicians endorsing w/o any concrete demands or established policies undermine the movement. Before you vote is when you make your strongest demand while you have the leverage of your vote. Misleaders, sheep dogs.

[@pookiewood]

Something something Project 2025 isn't enough for you? 🤣🤣😁 (Clowning the Project 2025 scare people)

[@nunnayorz5836]

He thinks we can hold politicians accountable, as if they care anymore once they get our votes. Oh you sweet summer child

[@caitefreebird]

Just saw you on Democracy Now yesterday and found this channel! I’ve been a fan of yours on Al Jazeera and looked you up to learn a little of your back story and exodus from US corporate media. Love this already! Thank you 🙏🏼

[@-cece-nelson2298]

This is an amazing convo! Very informative and although .I'm progressive and try and keep up with things. I didn't know about the working families party! I will make an effort to study it all more. You two men are great and it's so good to see you both! Knowledge is power, stay up! Peace and Love

[@jwynns]

Why not endorse and coalesce with an Independent candidate Cornel West or Green Party Candidate Jill Stein? It seems that teaming with the Dems/endorsing Dems ends up harming the most people.

[@NeurodivergentNegress]

Did you listen to the entire conversation, or nah?

[@elaineklein2385]

There is literally nothing that makes it acceptable to vote for a candidate with either Trump or Harris’s policies when there is another candidate who won’t follow those horrific destructive racist policies

[@jwynns]

I listened. This is the election to vote 3rd party. The GOP will just continue to produce worse and worse candidates. In 2028 and 2032 and 2036 we’ll still be saying it’s a binary choice.

[@jwynns]

@@NeurodivergentNegress yes I listened to the entire convo. This is the election to step outside of the “binary choice”. The GOP candidates for president will continue to get worse. And the Dems will be able to continue to use that bad choice as a crutch to be mediocre on policy and lock us in to a binary system. That is what the Dems have always done since iI have been eligible to vote in 2000. If we don’t break free now, then it gets harder to break free later. Nikki Haley, Ron DeSantis, Kari Lake are all on deck.

[@kaylac.4797]

If they had a chance that would make sense, but at this time they don’t. Majority of the country is still more centrist. Progressive polices will happen in increments. Sad to here ppl won’t vote for Harris cause she’s not “progressive “ that’s silly . Under a Trump admin there’s is no room for any progression, but y’all keep playing …

[@marcuslouison3998]

"Should radicals"? This dude is NOT a radical.

[@nunnayorz5836]

Marc, what needs to happen is the left needs to form a coalition big enough to compete with the duopoly. Not just the greens, not the Democratic rubber stamp of the WFP, not Cornell West and whatever party hes in this week. Not just the DSA. All of them should team up and come up with a nationwide agenda that will be effective on the local and federal level.

[@selalewis9189]

Always love seeing Maurice! Saw him speak at a Justice Democrats fundraiser. He said that we can’t just take on the Republicans we need to take on the neoliberal agenda of the establishment. It was not met with wild applause. Some applause, but not wild. It suggests to me that there’s still more education needed around how we got here. It’s hard to understand neoliberalism when we’re operating on it everyday.

[@jeanclaudeq]

i find it deeply irresponsible to endorse and support candidates who don't have a clear, detailed platform or set of potential policies.

[@jjacksone]

I absolutely agree! Why endorse at all? At least make some demands first. To characterize WFP as radical makes no sense. Did they even consider other candidates whose values align more with what they say they believe in? I found this conversation extremely frustrating. We will never end the duopoly with organizations like this continuing to work within the system. How many working families’ lives did Harris destroy in California? Did they even think about that?

[@jeanclaudeq]

@@jjacksone i checked out when Marc asked him who they endorsed in 2020. that was the gotcha.

[@steph04269]

Finally, a third party that focuses on strategy and realities of politics instead of pure idealism!

[@nunnayorz5836]

@steph04269 This isn't a 3rd party. It's a funnel that leads right back to the Democratic establishment. They're openly endorsing Harris and the liberal agenda. He's a plant.

[@darrellbryant1018]

Believing that the U.S. is a democracy undermines his credibility. Supporting any current presidential candidate from the two major parties shows he isn't a genuine advocate for working people or families. Sorry, not sorry.

[@MR-yi6mf]

@@darrellbryant1018 Cool. Partially agreed. So what is your proposed solution?

[@darrellbryant1018]

@@MR-yi6mf I believe there is no solution. When a state is determined to destroy itself, destruction inevitably follows. Fixing the system would require a complete overhaul, which is unrealistic. The system is entrenched with too much corruption, greed, and ideological inflexibility. The best we can hope for is that, after it collapses, we might be able to rebuild it correctly, but even that is highly unlikely.

[@nunnayorz5836]

​​@@MR-yi6mfThis is a subtle way to discredit the original post. You can point out that something is broken even if you don't know how to fix it.

[@lazarusxartisttemple]

Marc why not let Kamala defend herself? Why feel obligated to defend her? She’s a big girl that can handle her own smoke. Same as Trump. Let’s get to the issues instead of defending people who can and should be defending themselves.

[@tgerard3860]

he got paid.

[@mmisia1024]

Ross Perot's 18% was huge, not small. And you know it was huge because the bipartisan system buckled down and squashed any legitimate contenders for the next 30+ years. You want third party? Vote third party. Now. They've been playing this game for decades. The guest might be too young to realize that.

[@TA-ni9lk]

“Then we’ve got to hold her accountable” alright sir you have fun doing that

[@3rdworldg1]

Best discussion yet

[@CLSmithSween]

Excellent conversation!

[@arnoldchristine2020]

I love the ideas you are discussing. I don’t hear this enough in the Dems. I feel like I found people who share my ideals.

[@aleciaboo]

Idk, being pro-kamala one day and pro-palestine the next is beyond "tension" and straight into Contradiction

[@MomTube-i9w]

Oceans of blessings y'all ❤

[@kevinasanford]

5 Star interview and perspective.

[@BreukelenNY]

My mentality is... If i was the VP under Biden at this very moment, the exterminations in Gaza would have ended already or I would have already resigned, created or joined a third party. If you take away Race, Gender and Party and performed real research on these individuals, including third party candidates, who would we really vote for?

[@marguerX]

my take on that is at this point its impossible for a candidate to be elected on merit. They are all owned by Israel's AIPAC, two million of harris donations are from two individual PACS, that was way before she got a lot more money.

[@pookiewood]

​@@marguerXso stay and continue the genocide, keep taking AIPAC money and not coming out full force against Israel? It's like saying Joe can do a genocide in Gaza because Trump did a Genocide in Yemen and it's been like that because Bush did a genocide in Iraq and LBJ did a Genocide in Vietnam.

[@drancealot]

@@BreukelenNY if you're VP, you no longer speak or act for yourself. The job of the VP is to be the mouth piece and arm of the president. You are probably the first advisor of the president but that's it. So she has no say on Gaza. If you quit out start a third party, you are ending your career or at the very least starting from scratch. What good is that going to do Gaza. Given the miniscule chance Harris would do anything good for Gaza, she will only be able to do that if she becomes president and she doesn't become president in 90 days by making more enemies. She is a black woman on the brink of the presidency. She didn't get this far without knowing the game and walking that fine line.

[@macaron3141592653]

Kamala Harris had been trying to push Biden on the right direction on this, but is limited by her position, her desire to maintain her power and now, to maintain the structure of support that Biden had before he dropped out of the race. If she split early and became a third party, she would split the non-trump vote and trump would certainly win, and would make everything even worse. At best, she'll announce a genuine policy change on Israel later in the campaign and at worse, she won't but there will be avenues of pressure that can be applied. The issue is that the two party system is so strong that it absolutely informs who is getting the vote and who's running. Without parties, our entire political system would be so different that any scenario you conjure up would be different from our current situation.

[@spamtownhamilton6200]

When talking about "holding our politicians accountable", it's unclear to me what that actually means. I'd be interested to hear a discussion digging into this more

[@HealingIsNotLinear]

Good luck! You'll get there in 50 years.

[@pamelaj1226]

Fabulous conversation!🙏🏽❤️

[@kieranoconnor4334]

Voting for Trump as a protest....is effectively the same as breaking one's own legs as a form of resistance.

[@End_Zionism]

Same can be said about Kamala. The “lesser of two evils” is still evil and will continue the agenda but make it more palatable for the brainwashed masses. Stop supporting both parties and build bottoms up movements. Vote for Shiva Ayyadurai or Jill Stein or write in uncommitted. Stop looking for a savior politician because they’re all in bed together. They want you to fear Trump.

[@B_Shaheed]

The correct comparison would be like going to your doctor for years for diabetes and getting prescribed sugar. I think it’s time to see a new doctor

[@SageTrader007]

Voting Trump because I don't wish to live in a Hispanic refugee camp and pay high prices for energy.

[@B_Shaheed]

@@kieranoconnor4334 voting for all democrat is like is like seeing a doctor to fix a broken leg that’s been broke. And instead of fixing your leg he fixes the Venezuelan leg and leaves yours broke. But he’ll take care of you on your next visit. Just trust him

[@nunnayorz5836]

@daath5114 It's easy to look up some fact about the border. You can see for yourself that the Biden regime has deported more migrants than Trump and they're still building his wall. Energy also isn't going to magically get cheaper because both parties give them what they want.

[@D_L_P]

YES WE WOULD'VE VOTED BLUE NO MATTER WHO!!! Saved you some time

[@bluehalo8604]

It's the Societal Game (my grammy calls it). You can't make waves sitting in the beach chair watching everyone else in the pool. Partner and persuade while staying true to yourself. I feel like there's room for persuasion if the right conversations are had.

[@horaceconstruct7586]

From a strategic perspective, I believe withholding votes would galvanize more people and place more pressure on the democratic party. Not voting is just as much of a political statement as voting. Instead of leveraging votes that ultimately will be casted, leverage potential votes that are not guaranteed. This prevents the lesser of two evil narratives from being effective it is also very easy for your constituency to carry out the punishment.

[@HealingIsNotLinear]

Dude doesn't care about Gaza.

[@stephaniearthur1136]

I think this is powerful, because in this moment independents and radicals have to concede to the fact that this election will define their ability to get in the room to be even able to negotiate and challenge the Administration's policy position...versus with a Trump Administration there will be no way forward, you won't be able to get into the room.

[@TheSpiralLab]

This was so inspiring. I am going to get involved in the WFP here in Philly.

[@77figures]

great convo frim u and the bother Marc!! its great to see radical intellectuals on the program..certainly dont see this anywhere else so salute!

[@aishac919]

This was amazing and insightful conversation. Please invite Bro Maurice Mitchell back for a breakdown on how to hold elected officials accountable.

[@yachuj]

Great show!

[@IsiahBradley]

THANKS for this!!!!

[@LowellBDennyIII]

Did I understand correctly that the WFP's endorsement of Kamala was higher than the endorsement they gave Bernie? Based on what exactly? What of Kamala Harris' record outshined Bernie Sanders' record so much it warranted that? And what are the WFP demands of Kamala for this endorsement? Something smells off.

[@marguerX]

I like how the Working Families Party at least has a democratic process.

[@Abundant_BB]

Block and Build! While holding a culture of accountability. Love this so much. 💯

[@HealingIsNotLinear]

How will you hold them accountable though?

[@Abundant_BB]

I often wonder about this too. It's not enough to just vote; we must also monitor the progress of every elected official, not just the president. We should write to them, participate in town halls, and get involved in grassroots organizations. I'd like to hear more from Marc and his guests on whether a robust multi-party system increases accountability.

[@AndreaMerida]

Why doesnt WFP push for proportional representation? Thats a state by state project.

[@hongdekungfu]

This is not the way to negotiate positive changes for the people. Being to eager to get "on board" is antithetical to using the endorsement for leverage. It is like thinking about playing checkers with someone who's driving a race car.

[@archanegene]

I just sent my state's WFP an email asking about info meetings. I've always given my vote when they have a line on the ballot, but don't really understand where they stand. I'm only interested in parties who are responsible and accountable. How are they going to hold the DNC responsible?

[@nunnayorz5836]

@archanegene They're not. A bunch of platitudes were said but nothing of substance. This is a fake 3rd party meant to funnel votes back to the democrats

[@dhatroit]

Love this

[@WeAreNotGoingBackEver]

If they don't want police to have full immunity against prosecution, I'd say yes.

[@Sipgirl115]

Like the shirt Marc - Ice Cube is a Pimp! I’d probably call him something else but he’s definitely a disappointment as of lately.

[@stephaniewillis244]

We don't have a dictator. We need to focus more on Congress. A prez can't stop a 70 year nightmare substantially.

[@nunnayorz5836]

The executive office has the weapons, and congress signs off on the expenditures. They could choose to simply stop. They could also stop using their veto power at the UN against Palestine. Those two things would bring Israel's genocide to a halt. They can't do it without the support of the world's biggest bully.

[@zedekyahudah315]

😂🤣 that shirt is 🔥

[@talkfacts5980]

First time listener I subscribe I can’t wait to listen to some of your podcasts. Thanks for a good show.❤👼🏻

[@ItalianTeachingTools]

Great interview. Thank you!

[@melaniemarydavis]

I gave this video a like off of Marc’s T-shirt alone

[@troybody6662]

THIS IS GREAT!! HAVE ANTONIO MOORE, AND YVETTE CARNELL ON WITH THIS BROTHER!!

[@kjones_5211]

Nope. Not a party for me.

[@davidthorn3642]

The shirt 🔥 fam

[@marlonprimous7994]

✊🏿

[@jvfresh3053]

I understand the need for guest to help expand the night school audience but personally I really enjoy the solo podcast style shows Marc does it's kind of a let down when I see a guest on the show. no offense

[@deborahganney1359]

I LOVE LOVE LOVE THIS GUY!! I want to see / hear more of him…

[@lazarusxartisttemple]

A Working Families Party that endorses the trans movement? 🥴 Good luck.

[@Nyeb2002]

Why should anyone be stripped of their rights in a supposed democracy? You should be uncomfortable with the fact that people can be stripped of their rights to medical treatment of their choosing. LGBTQ rights were the last to be established, if you allow their rights to be taken what prevents you as an American from being persecuted for your identities?

[@CHI-CHI-GET-DA-YAYO]

Man I never leave comments but you inspire me to be way more thoughtful and ask the hard questions....plus you look like a Floyd Mayweather that can read ..lol that was a low blow to Floyd but just joking...love ya channel...I have my daughters watch you just so they see we have intelligent and real factual opinions!!! Love you bro. Please tell me you know where I got my handle (name) from?

[@JohnsonBeckett]

NO. The fact that you could even ask that question shows a level of unseriousness

[@christineg3905]

I have a great suggestion on marketing and communication. Can we please stop referring to it as “climate change”. I’ve come to realize that the average person doesn’t understand it and it sounds lofty and elite. Let’s get back to basics and call it pollution- polluting our air, water, etc and impacts our daily lives. Climate is a big and scary term to the average person.

[@kasaunhenry]

A “radical” who does not support Kamala Harris is not really a “radical.” A radical’s political compass should by definition lead him or her away from the worse possibilities of racism, fascism, economic segregation, etc.

[@tgerard3860]

wrong. kamala shares no connective tissue with the radical / revolutionary / armed history of the black panther party, the BLA or the AAPRP (the IRA, PLO etc). "brown" faces on corporate violence and imperialism is still status quo, mainstream white supremacist politics. tf are you talking about? 🤣🤣

[@franciscomeditation9064]

Why are we not talking about the demokkkrats and the destruction of the black family structure. That is the most important topic.

[@ChetHanks-eh1md]

that's called America.

[@soundsaboutright---]

Whats stopping people from getting married now?

[@nunnayorz5836]

"The black family structure" lol More culture war bs. Right wingers are weird.

[@Scott-gn3wt]

11:30 min in and dudes talking about "we're rewsteing with the conditions of the empire" Bro your literally blue no matter who ..... smh

[@jayytheedancer]

That’s what I’m saying like you basically a neoliberal you vote blue no matter who the candidate is smh!! 😂😂😂😂😂

[@ChetHanks-eh1md]

and you aren't by not voting? You are still complicit to genocide if you live, consume or work in America.

[@RNNNPTH]

It was interesting to hear a different strategy on building leftist/progressive alternative to the Democratic party. When it comes to the Presidential Election and all the rhetoric, it's basically a lot of terrible options. Yeah lesser of two evils is a terrible choice, but no one bangin' the drums for Jill Stein has been able to make a convincing case that it isn't just another terrible choice rooted in obtuse idealism. Personally I don't try to tell people how to vote and think most of the arguments people make telling other people how they should vote are consistently dogmatic and fail to acknowledge the reality that we're dealing with a broken system with only bad choices. I appreciated that this guest acknowledged all that and presented a genuine strategy for building an alternative that is very clear that inadvertently tipping the country and world towards accelerationism and extremist authoritarian fascism is something that should be taken seriously. I'll need to look more into the WFP strategies but this guest certainly inspired me to do so. Appreciate his insight and appreciate Marc for having him on.

[@ChetHanks-eh1md]

you cant unless the party collapses or we get undercover agents to win as democrats to then change the rules. The rules prohibit an alternative openly direct challenge to the democrats.

[@annohalloran6020]

I’m grateful for these lessons. I have reprogramming needs and I’m trying to disengage from white wealth superiority culture. To unlearn the Zionism inherent in Catholic education. To recognize that the wealth I see was generated by theft of resources and exploitation of less violent people.

[@drexelrep]

For those not voting for harris because shes corporate, or hasnt established her polices... is trump winning doing anything that moves us towards a better outcome than harris winning?

[@soundsaboutright---]

The comment i needed. Im curious what people are thinking

[@TMTM-l9y]

This is the best comment yet! How much progress do they think they will get under a Trump presidency? This man will ensure that all you will ever do is have a something to complain about and no way to ever do anything about it again. How do you support or even consider giving the race to a candidate supported by white supremecist and Christian Nationalist? If you're so concerned about Gaza how does putting the man who moved the embassy to Jerusalem and who is besties with Nethenyau help Palestinians? It like some people just want to be intellectual and hear their own voices. They don't deal in realities and practicalities. You may not be able to move the Dems as far as you want them to go, but you can move them. You'll be told that the Republicans moved but it will be by putting a knife in your back.

[@jackieburns5257]

Jill Stein 3rd party candidate!

[@marguerX]

I thought night school was 9 pm pacific?

[@ad4300n.]

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