Night, Stones & Wind | WAT 21-22 | Lost in Roshar Ep. 58

[@curtis25920]

The moment I read Stones with a capital S my first thought was “man, Jimmy and Christian are gonna lose their minds when they read this”

[@jonvalett6708]

The last joke was absolutely great

[@BobSmith-ci9mv]

Got some pretty bad jokes: What do you call a skybreaker who ran out of breath? Winded Navani found the perfect name for her new automobile invention. She called it the ElhoCar. Some of the singers voices got so hoarse, they couldn't speak anymore. Thats why they now call them the Listeners. What do you call the spren that wanted to become hematologists(blood specialists)? The Ghostbloods Navani also decided to start designing footwear. Shes named her newest model the RuShoe What do you call a cremling who woke up on the wrong side of the bed? Crabby

[@ThomasVaesGooglePlus]

Hell yeah bro's. Amazing episode again. What a way to experience these preview chapters with you guys, it makes it so much better. Greetings from Belgium

[@Rhedak]

I feel like by the fact that they're talking about Dalinar taking up Honor it is pretty much confirmed that this is NOT going to happen.

[@lachlankidd6517]

The thing about the dust line in the epigraph is its right before the chapter that Szeth reveals there is an Unmade in Shinovar. And what is the name of one of the few Unmade left to discover? The Dustmother Also the cliff death rattle everyone thinks refers to Szeth seeing Shinovar fall specifically says 'dust' in it

[@GiladZinman]

On your point about 'where does it end' with what shardblades can turn into, basically anything made of metal as we see over and over in the sunlit man

[@epee11c]

Answers about the sand that don't really contain spoilers but I'm treating them like they do anyway: The sand has a lichen on it that stores investiture and changes color when it does. It is related to the magic on white sand, yes.

[@nyaatama8529]

Only 15 minutes in, but I was watching a video a week ago where Brandon had said that he renamed it to wind and truth, instead of knights of wind and truth, cause it fit better. Basically, the Wind is a big part of this book, but truth is just as big a part.

[@DMRufio]

I’m in the middle of my RoW reread - chapter 67 has a moment of Venli talking to Stones that I had no recollection of. I would highly recommend reading it after these chapters

[@joshuasutton7451]

Kaladin is nervous about candles because Roshar has a higher oxygen content in the atmosphere than we're used to, making fire difficult to control.

[@jasonbailey9139]

Wasn't there something about candles causing issues in the surgery and that is why they always used stormlight? Maybe I'm grabbing elements from other stories. It's been a while since I've done a re-read.

[@Mum347]

You are correct. Candles flicker so Lirin prefers stormlight because it’s steady. ​@@jasonbailey9139

[@adamborst]

I'm not even sure I'm commenting on the right video, but when you mentioned the chapter arches cracking it blew my mind. It wasn't even a thing I thought to notice. Does anything like that happen in the other books with the chapter headers? Great pods guys, loving the discussions.

[@Chimaeramentis]

Shardfidget-spinners... Shardcheese-graters... Sharddoor-stoppers... Sharddil-... Anyhow, the possibilities are endless. And terrifying. Some even depraved. What if there's a comatose Shardtoothpick somewhere in the Roshar? A gancho's gotta keep those gnashers clean...

[@Haxerous]

29:18 I think you are overthinking it here. The stone of Urithiru is the Sibling itself, it is the Sibling's body and much like a shardblade it can manipulate it at will. The light imitates a sun roof because the light is actually investiture being converted into light and not actual sunlight (like a really bright yellow LED). The garden exists because of a similar reason. It's using investiture to fuel the growth of plants. They used stormlight to grow crops back in the day, towerlight is probably way more effective because lifelight is a component of it.

[@orcishdad8075]

Bad Jokes Why did the Aviar run away from the Ghostblood? He was too chicken. Who is Tanavast’s favorite superhero? Storm The Stormfather doesn't seem himself. His attitude really stinks. I call that "Breaking Wind". There is creeper running around Roshar. Apparently, after the sun goes down, they are peeking into windows to observe you while you sleep. I get the feeling it might be the Night Watcher. What do you call a battle at Urithiru? Sibling Rivaly. What do you call a Listener who never skips leg day? Crab Cakes Adolin has mentioned that he has had several "accidents" during battle. Does that make him a Shart Bearer? What do you call someone who gets no spheres and has never seen a safehand? Jimmy.

[@Shaz1993xoxo]

What if Honour's power is trapped with Ba-Ado-Mishram?? And the "shame" spoken of was the role Melishi and the bondsmith spren played in Tanavast's death because it was how they trapped Mishram?

[@thatrat.S]

Hearing my perilously painful ponderously pitiful puns propagate [Red's spren hums] on the channel was gratifying. Your 2 reactions was just *chefs kiss* so worth it. "Not laughing is almost a win." -christian cremling.2024. I feel seen... Ok so encouraging me intentionally or not here goes- What would Nohadon name his harbor? Bay of kings. What would rosharans call a flock of pheonix? Birds of radiance. (Fyi my first thought for that 1 was.. something something perfectly polished poo-turds of radiance. But no. We're keeping it classy) Couldnt think of 1 for oathbringer that was bad enough to type out, ill keep at it tho And for jimi who liked the RaTM ref ..do you know who Jizmak Da Gusha (brad roberts) is? The rhythm of Gwar.. (hes the drummer for the band gwar) Once again my apologies for anyone that read this, i take full responsibility its not Christian's fault. Keep up the podcast guys

[@b3n835]

15:30 it is from White Sands it gets charged up by the sun there and is used for sand mastery. A magic system where you control strands of sand at the cost of water.

[@b3n835]

Black is empty and it turns white with investiture.

[@brennanpeterhunt]

Here’s a bad joke: what do you call Kaladin when he’s not depressed? Kalagrin 😁

[@thatrat.S]

Soo good

[@sawyerclarke7396]

In Brandon’s QA at FanX he mentioned how he had been writing one of the characters to make x decision at the end of WaT but ended up with the character making the opposite decision. I’m curious to figure out who this is? Maybe it’s Adolin with everyone suggesting he’s to be Odiums champion.

[@jasonbailey9139]

Adolin becoming Odium's champion would destroy at least four lives: - Shallan: his unconditional love has helped her feel accepted and deal with her trauma - Kaladin: he's the only one since Tien who can naturally bring the bridge boy our of his deep depressions - Dalinar: would be wrecked if he had to kill his own son - Adolin: would be dead if he went up against the Blackthorn...though he is a better duelist, this will not be a duel. There will be twists, but I don't think it will be this one...but I'm wrong a lot... :D

[@Rhedak]

It is a little sad that you guys didn't rereach RoW before WoT but I get it, it is a lot. So here is a recap on the Mink: - He came ot Hearthstone after having held back the Voidbringers in Herdaz for a long time without help from the coalition - He was rescued together with the rest of the village using the fourth bridge - He takes over as field general for the coalition from Dalinar who wants to focus on his Bondsmithing - Dalinar promises him to free Herdaz after Alethkar, which is why he included it in the contract - He was with Dalinar in Emul and led the fighting there

[@bartoszradecki1903]

Did you guys forget about Venli talking with Stones of Urithiru in Row?

[@stormblessed6155]

They make shard guns. In one of Brandon's short stories . Space age cosmere

[@Haxerous]

I feel like Honor is no longer Honor. Honor is supposed to be the Shard of Bonds and Oaths. But Stormfather and Dalinar bring up Unity, not Honor in their discussion. Perhaps the shard was split in two (similar to Virtuosity from Yumi and the Nightmare Painter). One part became Unity (related to Bonds) and the other one is related to Oaths splintered or something else has happened to it. The other outside possibility is that a Dawnshard (probably Change) was used at some point to change the Intent in some way, but it seems a bit unlikely

[@DMRufio]

Ooh I was thinking along these lines last night and thought Honor might be split into something like Loyalty and Honesty but Unity would be the obvious choice for one of them.

[@Haxerous]

@@DMRufio I like Loyalty as an idea but I fell it might be too similar to Devotion. But yeah I was thinking something along the lines of obedience (similar to loyalty).

[@codywatkins17]

Don’t forget that now that people are getting their WoR leather bounds that we need to know the color of shallan’s mom’s dress

[@passdoutcouchpotatos]

Holy shit the girl who looked up. The story was about a world in darkness in eternal night. With a wall of stone keeping the light and storms at bay. What if this is a literal story, Night had a land the stones protected. And then someone let the storm in and light and banished NIGHT away.

[@Haxerous]

Yeah, that was my first thought as well. The girl who looked up must be based on a true story, like Wander Sail and Fleet. I always thought it was about the departure of humans from Shinovar and the start of the desolations, but it is probably also linked to the Night vanishing. The humans did something during one of the early desolations that messed up all the ancient spren/forces of nature. As per the Sibling, the Stone wanted a legacy? Why was a legacy necessary? Something must have necessitated the creation of not only the Nightwatcher, but also the Sibling and the Stormfather.

[@craiggumz]

Red could be a Sanderson ode to Bridge and Wedge from Final Fantasy.

[@ania4802]

Dalinar: I am you? Stormfather: Always have been. 🌏 👨‍🚀 🔫 👨‍🚀

[@jamesdavis-dn6hq]

Dumb theory: Crackly Susfather is Dalinar reaching out from the spiritual realm having an “I can save my brother!” moment, then he hears how Gavilar really feels about everything (maybe via Connection) and gets all upset and decides “fine then Jackass!”and doesn’t intervene. Then Cultivation shows up and says “Finally! You’re enough of a jerk to be a god.” Feel free to cut bits of that theory out until it resembles something you agree with.

[@masalapeanuts]

Just had a shower thought I wanted to add…. What if the susfather behavior is due to Honor’s power already affecting things? I mean is that why “he’s different from what he used to be” - the power is already affecting him because it has a mind of its own?

[@datmarshy]

When are you guys going to do your infamous, starting from now, annual “Cosmere Slam Poetry Live Tour”?

[@thatrat.S]

Hm. Slam. Bam... Kaladamn! is fast asleep. Yet counting sheep that aren't sheep. "I Amaram" it angry bleats! Shook, Kaladin His faithful spen, and angry frien- Awake and contend with an end to a path they can't defend. Cure a herald? Never foretold? What will fate hold? It could be toxic, Ishar did mock it. Algorithmic, cataclysmic, biorhythmic. Scientific? He can summon a spren and then try to contain it. Yet can he break beings and lie and contain it? Slam. Bam. Kaladamn. (I hope few read this)

[@readbykyle3082]

All these people out here commenting about Stormlight and I"m just here to remind Jimmy (with love) that Axl Rose ain't never left Guns N Roses 😝

[@dillonwyatt8144]

What are the chances this will be why kaladin's little brother was so into rocks?

[@kairi99roxas]

One thing that's frustrating about listening to a book instead of reading is you miss the capital letters and the italicized words!

[@BobSmith-ci9mv]

My brain is stupid so it skips over them regardless

[@bartoszradecki1903]

On WoR reread I saw a death rattle from the vedenar king. "so the night will reign for the choice of honor is life" it seems like Dalinar as honor won't kill Gavinor and odium will reign 😂

[@passdoutcouchpotatos]

Let the child champion theory die

[@Josh-the-man]

​@@passdoutcouchpotatos it will come to pass

[@TheLiamSelig]

​@@passdoutcouchpotatoslet the child champion live an Odium reign

[@lachlankidd6517]

But Night isn't necessarily a bad thing or of Odium as far as we know. 'Night will reign' could refer to the old magic returning to Roshar. The Nightwatcher (Night) is also directly connected to Cultivation (Life) so perhaps Dalinar or Honor gets tricked by Cultivation instead of Odium

[@stormblessed6155]

Do you guys listen to WOBs?

[@jamesdavis-dn6hq]

Ok. Terrible stupid Stormlight…uh… joke(?) maybe: -What do you title the chapter in which Shallon recalls being chastised by her mother for drawing on the walls? - “Herald and the Purple Crayon” Sorry