Beretta PX4 Storm REVIEW - *not* Langdon Tactical LTT - See Pinned Comment

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Nightwood Guns

Nightwood Guns

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@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
After reading all of your comments, I realize I got "had" by marketing. This PX4 was labeled and promoted as an LTT at the shop, came with an LTT card, and an LTT sticker. The box was also incorrectly labeled "G" not "G-SD" even though the SKU lines up with an SD. I thought this was an LTT PX4-G not a Beretta "in collaboration with LTT but not actually an LTT" PX4 G-SD that does not come with the LTT trigger bar that would shorten trigger reset. An actual LTT would have a reset similar to the 92, thus erasing one of my major criticisms. If anything, I hope this reinforces that I am a consumer just like you not some shill reviewer. I make mistakes in the shop, too. I hope my mistake will help save someone else from getting this with the understanding that it is a true LTT product. Sorry for the misunderstanding everyone.
@Phenom2606
@Phenom2606 4 ай бұрын
It happens to the best of us. I have one directly from LTT. It’s absolutely amazing, however the comp doesn’t really do much at all!
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
@@Phenom2606 It’s one thing to make a mistake like this and feel like an idiot at home. It’s a whole other feeling doing it in front of thousands of people 🤦‍♂️😂 Oh well, on to the next video.
@liamflanagan490
@liamflanagan490 4 ай бұрын
Now you gotta get the legit LTT PX4-G SD with the RDO solution and the trigger job and review that one. It's only fair.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
@@liamflanagan490 😅👍 Gotta drop a quick 2k to right the wrong! If this video does well, I absolutely will.
@jvz1448
@jvz1448 4 ай бұрын
@@NightwoodGuns I almost got had with this as well when I bought my PX4. PSA had one labeled as “LTT” . I dislike that Langdon lets them do this as it can be very confusing. Luckily I did a bit more research when I bought mine and figured it out and ordered direct from Langdon. If you do the trigger upgrade you will enjoy it much more.
@rt1326
@rt1326 4 ай бұрын
If you didn't buy this directly from LTT, then the gun is just the new G-SD model that Beretta sells. It is collaborative with LTT but this is a Beretta offering and comes with an improved DA pull, different controls, and their new thicker PX4 barrel. LTT takes the G-SD and further customizes it in house with their trigger bar/job/hammer spring and other customizable features. I grabbed one of the new G-SD models at a local show and I think this gun looks badass. After shooting it, it's one of my favorites. stippled the frame and now it's even better. I also ordered the LTT trigger bar and installed it, the reset is now similar to a LTT Beretta 92.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Yep, this is exactly it. I have the full update in a pinned comment.
@Apolloneek
@Apolloneek 2 ай бұрын
How can you tell the difference? I have a shop near me wanting 1200 bucks for a supposed ltt
@therealjoshtodd
@therealjoshtodd 3 ай бұрын
people think it's ugly? i think it's FAR better looking than a glock! kinda futuristic looking, which is probably why they used the storm carbine in battlestar galactica
@jimmywilliams7876
@jimmywilliams7876 4 ай бұрын
I''ve been a mechanical tech nerd for nearly half a century. I bought my PX4 just for the oddity of the rotating barrel. Then I did an LTT Trigger Job in a Bag, and it is now the full size in my EDC rotation. Full size with the weight of some subcompacts but shoots WAY better than any subcompact. The ergos are the main reason I like it so much. It is just comfortable in the hand. Plenty accurate and NATO certified, so it will run +P's all day long. Now if they will just release an update with an optic cut and a better light rail.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Agreed 💯👍
@reyt2304
@reyt2304 Ай бұрын
Forget the optic leave it just for the range on everyday carry my px4 does fine on just iron sights plus less chance to snag in anything in real world save your ass situation
@cokamo23
@cokamo23 4 ай бұрын
One thing I like about your reviews is the honesty and how truthful you are. I'm very new to the world of firearms and I would just like to thank you for the information that you provided to us.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Right on, man 👍 I’m glad the video was helpful!
@secretsquirrelflyfishing
@secretsquirrelflyfishing 4 ай бұрын
If that came directly from Langdon they didn’t do a trigger job because mine resets if you even think about it; the shortest reset pistol ever. If it’s just a Beretta Langdon then it does not have the Langdon trigger job
@E.Chang.
@E.Chang. 4 ай бұрын
I'm guessing Brett didn't get the trigger bar, or the new PX4 trigger bars just suck. If he did have the trigger bar, it would have put his reset really close to his 92. While LTT's trigger job work does help with reset, it's their trigger bar that makes the biggest difference on the reset.
@JimTempleman
@JimTempleman 4 ай бұрын
Here's what it says on the LTTs website: "The LTT Trigger Job includes the black DLC-coated Optimized Performance Trigger Bar that reduces the reset in single action to 1/10 of an inch, and the Optional Match Hammer reduces pre-travel enough to rival world-class single action only pistols. "
@idrankthebleach
@idrankthebleach 4 ай бұрын
Yeah mine is insanely short and even the double action pull is incredibly good.
@laskalives
@laskalives 4 ай бұрын
There is a difference between the LTT guns and the LTT marked guns that you can get at certain big box stores.
@ellwoodwolf
@ellwoodwolf 4 ай бұрын
Keep telling yourself you didn't get ripped off.
@JonnieHammaStix
@JonnieHammaStix 4 ай бұрын
Yeah he definitely got a standard GS-D Model.
@Silentskip001
@Silentskip001 4 ай бұрын
He can send it off to LTT. lol he thought he got a tuned gun for $800.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
@@Silentskip001 Considering a trigger job in a bag is a couple hundred bucks, the price made sense to me. Regardless, I'm super stoked about making an honest mistake in front of thousands of people. Good times.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Yep, got to learn that lesson in front of everyone on YT. I pinned a comment with the correction.
@damirzanne
@damirzanne 2 ай бұрын
I have one of those , factory no mods, and absolutely love it … fantastic handgun
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 2 ай бұрын
@@damirzanne it is a phenomenal pistol 👍
@chrismiller5168
@chrismiller5168 4 ай бұрын
I have a stock px4. Glad I picked one up. Many hate the looks but I like how it's designed.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
I like it, too 😎👍
@jeffreygoss8109
@jeffreygoss8109 4 ай бұрын
People looking down the barrel will hate it even more 😂
@treedoor
@treedoor 3 ай бұрын
I don't own one, but every time I look at it, I like how it looks more and more. I think it's because I've been comparing dozens of different carry options recently, and the PX4's uniqueness begins to shine when you look at it compared to everything else.
@jthrelf
@jthrelf 4 ай бұрын
I got a used PX4 for $299, added 12lb mainspring and the LTT trigger bar and it rips. Tried the Beretta competition trigger group but the well broken in standard trigger group was better, so I returned it. Also added talon grips and blacked out the rear sight. And took out the safety detent to make it decock only.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Very nice! This one definitely needs the trigger bar 😅👍
@jthrelf
@jthrelf 4 ай бұрын
@@NightwoodGuns yup massive difference, will mimic your 92, and install is insanely easy to boot
@E.Chang.
@E.Chang. 4 ай бұрын
He's back!!! This review reflects my experience of the PX4 very well, EXCEPT for the reset. Something is definitely going on with the PX4 you bought. Either your model doesn't have the LTT trigger bar, LTT forgot the trigger bar, or LTT changed more than the finish on the new trigger bars. I run both a vertec 92 w the full NP3 TJIaB and a full size PX4 w the older discontinued NP3 TJIaB. The reset on both are extremely close in distance, but the 92 marginally a little crisper. If you purchased a model w trigger bar, I would def reach out to LTT. The newer TJIaB no longer have the Beretta competition trigger groups, or the NP3 trigger bars... But that shouldn't affect the reset that much.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Yep, after reading the comments I realized that this was the “LTT collaboration” gun and not an actual LTT. Full update is in a pinned comment.
@supersanity2298
@supersanity2298 4 ай бұрын
Just discovered you when searching videos on SW revolvers . I am now going through almost your entire list of videos. I am loving your channel
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
I’m glad you’ve been enjoying the content! Welcome to the channel 👋
@Starkman3
@Starkman3 2 ай бұрын
Brett, I have had the PX4 Compact Carry 2 for a couple of weeks now, about 400 rounds so far. Mine is form Beretta, not Langdon Tactical, but has some of the improvements suggested by Langdon. I just checked my reset, and I am happy to say it is about 3-4 millimeters. The upgraded LTT trigger bar advertised as improving trigger pull and reset. Might be worth considering...I didn't care for the bobbed hammer, so I installed a skeletonized OEM. Since I am a Lefty, I have a right side slide lever on the way. Glad to hear yours loosened up, because mine is unusable so far. Good review.
@maxximus2012
@maxximus2012 4 ай бұрын
My edc and competition gun since 2018. Def not overhyped and reportedly a frequent top seller for Beretta. LTT work is nice but not necessary in my experience. Sights, decockers and a D spring in a base model is all you need. I will say an “A1” with better grip texture like the APX would be great.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Very nice! I’d add the LTT trigger bar as a meaningful upgrade 😅 I would love to see better grip texture though 👍
@BehindTheGoldenCurtain
@BehindTheGoldenCurtain 4 ай бұрын
The PX4 is still totally underrated, and LTT makes it that much better. The compact version is a really good carry option.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
It’s an impressive pistol, for sure! 👍
@sprocket8934
@sprocket8934 4 ай бұрын
Random side note: you seem way more comfortable lately and it's making your videos better. Love your content and have noticed you more relaxed lately and less in presentation mode. Keep being yourself sir!
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Like the typical YT advice goes: make 100 videos and you’ll get better. I’m definitely feeling more relaxed on camera now. I think it helps that we have a great community full of decent people here. 👍 Thanks for the feedback!
@realTempix
@realTempix 4 ай бұрын
My edc is a LTT PX4 Carry. I love it.
@realTempix
@realTempix 4 ай бұрын
@BillTurner-d7m well you see Billy boy, I am relating to the video with my comment. Meanwhile you are trying to be a comment troll. We all see you, good job.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Very nice! It’s a great EDC! I’d even argue it’s one of the best 👍
@waifubreaks1572
@waifubreaks1572 4 ай бұрын
I rented one today, as a left handed shooter this thing was love at first sight. Holy shit, I loved shooting it. I deff am looking into buying one now.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
@@waifubreaks1572 Very nice! It’s definitely a great option! 😎👍
@Mr.eTrain007
@Mr.eTrain007 3 ай бұрын
I don’t see an ambidextrous slide lock? As a Leftie why do you love it? I hope to go rent one soon.
@Starkman3
@Starkman3 2 ай бұрын
@@Mr.eTrain007 I have had the PX4 Compact Carry 2 for a couple weeks now. I'm a lefty, first thing I did was install a OEM Skeletonized Hammer, and I have a right side slide lock lever on the way. My reset is much better than what Brett's shows, about 3-4 millimeters.
@Starkman3
@Starkman3 2 ай бұрын
I have had the PX4 Compact Carry 2 for a couple weeks now. I'm a lefty, first thing I did was install a OEM Skeletonized Hammer, and I have a right side slide lock lever on the way. My reset is much better than what Brett's shows, about 3-4 millimeters.
@RealKaizoku
@RealKaizoku Ай бұрын
I love mine, and I think it’s a beautifully unique looking gun.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns Ай бұрын
It really is a great pistol! 😎👍
@terryoliver1410
@terryoliver1410 22 күн бұрын
Picked up an excellent used 9 mm six months ago and just found I’m really fine 40 caliber that I’m picking up in a couple of days. Both were in the 350 range although the 40 caliber was only one magazine and no back straps. Magazines are relatively inexpensive and I can’t be more happy with them Beretta PX4Styling and function. Go used as long as it’s not abused
@cwolf8841
@cwolf8841 2 ай бұрын
IMO the add-on compensator would be better by itself, not integrated with a light.
@The2AExperiment
@The2AExperiment 4 ай бұрын
Excellent review. So many firearm options out there, and we can't buy them all, so it's nice to get a real-world, in depth look at the gun. Your line about the grip texture "it's as smooth as the brain of someone you don't like." Lol. Priceless.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
😅👍 Glad you enjoyed the review, man!
@DonDeMarcoKarlsruhe
@DonDeMarcoKarlsruhe 4 ай бұрын
In the end of the day its a real outstanding reliable 9 mm but for a particular hand size. Something perfect for 5 feet 10 guys and over. A 357 SIG version with a gas paddle attached to the rail would be my absolute favourite gun till the end of my life. Romanian police forces have it too as a regular non LTT service gun. Before that they had "carpati" they even couldn t punch a hole into a SUV tyre, the weak bullets often ricochet and hit random people. "Carpati" was a real piece of art.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
😅👍
@justanotherpatriot7873
@justanotherpatriot7873 4 ай бұрын
My edc is the compact variant of this pistol. It's amazing, the difference you feel when you go between that and almost any other carry pistol out there. My old edc was the P01, which is a great shooter, but even that didn't behave like the Beretta. I've been running Talon grips for over a year so far, and I do edc and train with it. Have had no issues with it as of yet. Think a lot of the issues come from how they're installed. Also heard that they've redone they're adhesive formula. Vedder holster, new sights, and ready to go.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Very nice! Thanks for sharing your experience 😎👍
@marcusedcofficial
@marcusedcofficial 4 ай бұрын
Px4 storm is suddenly coming back into popularity. I remember when i first got into carrying, it was hyped as the best polymer DA/SA. i got the compact because i wanted more capacity and was concerned about the safety of striker guns. Unfortunately, i got rid of it due to it being too much to carry at the time. While it wouldn't be my first choice now, it would be nice to still have it, lmao
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
I feel the same way. Not my first choice, but it’s nice to have! 👍
@floydteter4323
@floydteter4323 Ай бұрын
My PX4 Compact has no LTT mods yet. But even just the plain old factor version is a delight - soft shooting, accurate (when I do my part), and rock solid reliable. It’s my fall and winter EDC.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns Ай бұрын
It’s an incredible and underrated pistol 👍
@jvz1448
@jvz1448 4 ай бұрын
Also, grip tape is ok but Boresight does an amazing stipple job on the PX4
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
I saw Boresight’s work on LTT’s website. Looks great!
@Sig_Steve
@Sig_Steve 4 ай бұрын
Good information on this video. I bought my PX4 carry 2 a few months ago. The description stated that its an LTT collaboration, so I knew it was not an LTT tuned pistol. I did have numerous FTF in my first two range sessions. Had to clean and grease heavily for it to run without issues. The felt recoil is definitely minimal. It shoots very smooth. So my advice if you buy one of these from one of the big box stores, definitely strip, thoroughly clean and lube with grease on the barrel and slide. Your experience will be much better first time at the range.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Interesting, thanks for sharing your experience 😎👍
@shaunjmorris
@shaunjmorris 4 ай бұрын
Came to this channel for the Px4 G-SD, staying for everything else
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
I’m glad you enjoyed the video! Welcome to the channel! 👋
@nvhs1
@nvhs1 4 ай бұрын
When I got my px4c stock it shot great. After doing all the LTT treatments to it and it became an amazing gun adding the match hammer and vpa comp it does not move and the reset is crazy.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
It’s great out of the box and it’s an absolute monster with all of the LTT work 👍
@mooktemas6800
@mooktemas6800 4 ай бұрын
Brett, I really like the way you grip your pistols, and your recoil control. Do you mind creating a video on that topic? Thanks.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Lots of demand for this. I’ll see what I can do.
@mooktemas6800
@mooktemas6800 4 ай бұрын
@@NightwoodGuns thanks I really appreciate all your videos.
@victorgamble7218
@victorgamble7218 Ай бұрын
I wondered about the trigger bar and the reset, watching the video. That's the big "sell" for the bar. When you clean the gun, use a quality, high temp gun grease. Oil won't cut it with the rotating barrel. You'll have problems eventually getting the gun to cycle completely. I got this info from Beretta customer service when my gun wouldn't completely go into battery. Since then, 3,000+ rounds later, I have had ZERO problems. Enjoy your gun! Good video!
@brianshuler6951
@brianshuler6951 4 ай бұрын
I have one of the early PX4 full size pistols, which now has over 20,000 rounds through it. My only issue has been the self-destruction of the guide rod/recoil assembly. Mine is not LTT, but I have installed the Landon trigger bar and I have made other mod's over the years. Your review is very fair. Talon, or other, grips are absolute necessities. I just accept that I have to replace them regularly. In my style of shooting, I do not ride the reset. For me, it is much faster to instantly release the trigger beyond the reset and return to the wall to prep the trigger. I do take exception to your swipe at the USP. The compact version USP has been a favorite carry piece for 24 years. I won't hold that against you though. I will be following you.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for your long-term input on the PX4! And if you poke around my channel, you will see that I’m actually quite the fan of the USP 😅👍
@MichaelPooPants
@MichaelPooPants 4 ай бұрын
I got a compact PX4 in 9mm, then immediately got a full sized one in .45. The 9mm has been great, but the .45 has been giving me a lot of trouble installing a safety lever. It might just be that particular pistol, but it really soured me on them in general.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Interesting. Thanks for sharing your experience 👍
@dredd1995
@dredd1995 4 ай бұрын
As others said maybe it doesn't have the full langdon trigger job or it may not have the match hammer. My reset is super short mines came directly from langdon and has the match hammer as well.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Yep, thanks to comments like yours I realized I had the “LTT collaboration” gun and not a true LTT. Full update is in the pinned comment.
@KrakenBolter
@KrakenBolter 4 ай бұрын
I own the PX4 Compact Carry (1st edition) as my EDC and this review 100% matches with my experience so I think its completely accurate. Love the gun but you definitely need stippling so I use the included talon grips. Amazing trigger in DA and SA but the reset isn't perfect. The gun shoots extremely well. Great review and honest as always nightwood.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Sounds like we are on the same page. Glad you enjoyed the review 👍
@maxfit68906
@maxfit68906 4 ай бұрын
Like you I thought I had the “Langdon” set up but I didn’t. I invested in the upgrades: trigger in a bag and trigger bar. 100% difference in performance. It’s one of my favorite DA/SA firearm.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
I’m glad it wasn’t just me 😅 Yeah, the trigger bar alone would make a huge difference 👍
@bobcat5844
@bobcat5844 4 ай бұрын
I never thought it was ugly . the PX storm full size 40cal is my very first firearm i bought .
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Nice! Yeah, the appearance never bothered me either.
@Michaelscottreacts
@Michaelscottreacts 4 ай бұрын
I recently got a LTT PX4 Blackout. Unfortunately, the gun had tons of feed issues, so I had to send it back to them. It did shoot great when it was working.
@wisesage3289
@wisesage3289 4 ай бұрын
How much break in effort did you put in. Mine struggled early on but became 100%
@SectionChief
@SectionChief 4 ай бұрын
@@Michaelscottreacts my new LTT PX4 was double feeding every few rounds for a while (a few hundred rounds) and then it eventually stopped doing that and runs perfectly. Very frustrating but I’m calling it a break-in period. LTT doesn’t test fire the guns before shipping out.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
That’s wild! Thanks for sharing your experience.
@Michaelscottreacts
@Michaelscottreacts 4 ай бұрын
@@wisesage3289 Put three-hundred rounds through. FTF 1 out of every 5 rounds with 2 of the 3 mags they included and I had to smack the butt of the slide to get it to chamber. When I contacted them, I thought it was a mag problem, but they said they thought it was an issue with the gun and asked me to send it back. That was last week, so I'm waiting for an email with what they found. Customer service has been great so far, but I do wish it would have been working flawlessly out of the box.
@wisesage3289
@wisesage3289 4 ай бұрын
@@Michaelscottreacts Mine had numerous failure to feed issues within the first 600ish or so over 3 range sessions. All FMJs. I cleaned it after each session. After that it has been 100% with FMJ and JHPs. I am near 2000 rounds in. Not what I expected, but turned out fine. I have the NP3 option, fwiw. Good luck.
@405cop5
@405cop5 4 ай бұрын
I have a Px4 cc from ltt , trigger job and red dot cut running it for about 2 years. I just added the flat trigger and the comp. Have an ltt 92x with trigger job and RDO cut and the reset PX4 is just as good or maybe better than the 92.. The way you're showing the Reset, I don't believe yours has the ltt trigger bar. Good review.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
You were right. Full update is in the pinned comment 👍 Glad you enjoyed the review regardless
@filasophies4423
@filasophies4423 4 ай бұрын
There is also a viral police motorcycle chase iirc in South America, where the PX4 does some serious work. It was also on a lanyard which I enjoy as a holdover from the horseback days.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
lol, nice! 😅
@greatBLT
@greatBLT 4 ай бұрын
You mean the helicopter video from São Paulo where to cop takes out the two perps after they crashed?
@filasophies4423
@filasophies4423 4 ай бұрын
Video is called: WATCH: Incredible first-person footage shows high speed police motorbike chase shootout
@paulclaveloux6771
@paulclaveloux6771 4 ай бұрын
Hey, Brett, as always, great review! For the reset issue, I'm wondering if your gun came with the Langdon optimized trigger bar. I have two PX4s, one that has been Langdon-ized and one that hasn't, and the reset on your gun definitely looks more akin to a stock trigger bar. On my LTT gun, I have the match hammer and optimized trigger bar with the 10 lb hammer spring which gives me about a 6 lb DA pull and about a 2 lb SA. Per Langdon, the match hammer also shortens the SA reset, maybe not an apples to apples comparison depending on how your gun was configured, but yeah, the reset on your gun definitely appears very long for an LTT tuned pistol. If you don't have the optimized trigger bar in your gun, would definitely be curious to see if you added one how you think it stacks up against your LTT 92 at that point. Thanks for the great content!
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Thanks to comments like yours I realized that I ended up with the “LTT collaboration” gun and not a true LTT. Full update is in a pinned comment. Thanks for your insight 👍
@Maelstrom8
@Maelstrom8 4 ай бұрын
As others have stated, there is a difference between the guns straight from Langdon and the one's from Beretta. I believe you got one that doesn't have the complete trigger job done. Your experience is still a testament to how good the platform is, but I think you would enjoy it a lot more if you had the full modifications done. Great video!
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Yep, the comments definitely made me realize I got the “big box” LTT 😅 I made the correction in a pinned comment 👍
@terrymoss758
@terrymoss758 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for clarifying the issue if was an LTT gun or not. I have several PX4s Compacts from LTT, the older versions do not have the optimized trigger bar that the one I bought earlier this year has. The reset is noticeably different, but I can shoot them both the same with a little practice. As far as you missing shots due to the reset, I’ve never had that issue with any of myPX4s. I’ve been shooting Ernest Langdon Trigger jobs for over 23 years, the 92 is an impeccable platform, but I’ve grown to love the PX4 Compact every bit as much as my LTT 92s. Btw, so has Ernest Langdon…. If you want to demo how fast you can shoot the gun, I recommend using 2-4 inch circles and a shot timer from 5-7 yards. You find there is really no difference when accuracy is factored in…
@pittwm
@pittwm 4 ай бұрын
The best come back story
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
I cry every time 😅
@pittwm
@pittwm 4 ай бұрын
@@NightwoodGuns me too🤣
@williamryan9195
@williamryan9195 4 ай бұрын
I would send it back to Langdon and have them install the flat face and tell them about you wanting a better reset. They can fix you up, I am sure. I also suggest Combat Textiles grip wraps. The Gore-Tex material is somewhere between a Talon sandpaper and the Talon Pro but quite a bit better in terms of cover the sides of the grip. I fixed a MP Shield grip issue with their grips. Worth the 18 bucks invested.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the insight on the grip textures 👍 And I added an update in a pinned comment regarding the reset.
@williamryan9195
@williamryan9195 4 ай бұрын
@@NightwoodGuns Thanks for the reply. In case anyone is interested Volker precision also offers grip tape cutouts for the PX4 with cuts for the index point too. They make a machined flat face for the 92 series that is a nice-looking product and enhancement.
@nicholasanthony-thesix11ar73
@nicholasanthony-thesix11ar73 4 ай бұрын
I wanted one of these so bad when they came out I can still appreciate the looks and the fact that it says the same. It’s weird but it’s almost now falling into that category like the cz75 where it just is its own thing. Be nice if they did an optics ready one that was a LTT
@andersangstrom6920
@andersangstrom6920 Ай бұрын
I have the PX4 Storm Compact Carry with the LTT trigger that has a very short reset, it's a phenomenal pistol that I love to shoot. I agree with the problem with the smooth textured frame being TOO smooth but it came with the Talon Grips which I don't mind and takes care of that problem. The other big gripe is the stealth decocker being too small to get any purchase, so I replace that with the low profile version that is MUCH easier to actuate. Great honest review of one of my favorite pistols!
@matthewyang2792
@matthewyang2792 4 ай бұрын
Hope to see you review an actuall LTT PX4 since you thouggt this one was good enough for your recommendation
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
If this video does well, I probably will 👍 This gun with a crazy short reset would be SO good.
@n.r.9468
@n.r.9468 4 ай бұрын
Beretta is tripping, they should have combined the PX4 and the new APX A1, it would attract more people to it looks wise and function amazingly.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
That would be an interesting combo 👍
@MindzEyz
@MindzEyz 3 ай бұрын
Your pinned comment is Boss! Love the accountability. First glance I noticed that it wasn't a full LTT. I actually noticed the non-flush hammer first off. Fantastic work as usual.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 3 ай бұрын
Yep, I messed this one up 😅 It happens. I wanted to make sure that I owned it and corrected it as best I could 👍 Learned a bunch of lessons from this one.
@keysgirl7699
@keysgirl7699 4 ай бұрын
I bought a PX4 full size when it first came out around 2009? I used & carried it for at least 2 years. Maybe longer? I loved it. Very soft shooting. It was ergonomic & comfortable to carry. I traded it up for something I can’t recall? I wish I still had it. They’re starting to become popular now. Back then nobody even knew what it was.
@harrycallahan9733
@harrycallahan9733 4 ай бұрын
PX4 came out in 2004, the same year Beretta ceased production of their 8000 Cougar, and transferred it to their Turkish subsidiary Stoeger so they could start cranking out PX4s. PX4 is basically a plastic-framed Cougar, with some changes/improvements here and there :)
@rotadyma
@rotadyma 4 ай бұрын
If the model in this video is the PX4-SD, that is a stock gun direct from Beretta. It is not tuned by LTT. It has the LTT trigger bar, a lighter hammer spring, a lighter trigger spring and I believe some polished internals. Beretta just made the gun according to the advice by Langdon, like the upgraded decocker levers, the cerakote job, the bright front sight, heavy profile barrel (40SW barrel, which is chambered for 9mm and I think the hammer is upgraded as well. But it's not "tuned" by LTT. Those guns are $1600 and quite different. For under $700, this Beretta stock PX4 SD is one of the most amazing stock hammer fired guns on the market. The reset is not an issue for a duty gun, at least for me.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Yep, I updated it in a pinned comment 👍 Getting this model and adding the LTT trigger bar would be the best value, but it’s always out of stock 😅
@rotadyma
@rotadyma 4 ай бұрын
@@NightwoodGuns True. I just got the SD model and I already had the Compact Carry. Mine already came with the LTT trigger bar on the Compact Carry. DA is at about 7.5 lbs and SA is around 3 lbs. Phenomenal carry pistol. And reset is much shorter. I need to get the LTT trigger bar for my full size SD.
@lon242
@lon242 4 ай бұрын
Great review Brett. It might've not been a LTT LTT but at least you got to try out that heavy barrel which everyone is hyping up and throwing the term "cheat code" around for 🙄 I had a PX4 10+ years ago, was impressed, but not enough to keep it. I'm tempted to give the G-SD a try, but can't help but feel I won't dig it. I'll be honest, when watching your slow-mo, I think it seems to porpoise/oscillate a lot when you shoot it fast, so perhaps its return-to-zero isn't as good as I expected. I definitely believe you when you say it's a super soft shooter, though, even I got that impression with my old standard model way back when. As for the grip's lack of texture... it's a damn shame, we know Beretta's way too lazy to update it. Gonna have to wait for a new model PX4 at this point - not gonna happen. No shame in using goon tape, and at least stick-on grips like Handleit's have gotten pretty good. As for nerd shit... this thing was a head-popping machine with Jill in RE5 Mercenaries. I always liked the way it looked, Beretta's futuristic styling back in the early-mid 2000s was wild (I bought a CX4 recently, always wanted one as a kid). I remember seeing an ad for the PX4 in a magazine: "Forget Gucci, forget Prada... this is the real Italian fashion." Damn, that's a statement. I always got the impression the team that designed it was proud of how they styled it... unfortunately not many others thought so.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Agreed on all of your points (as per the usual) but the oscillation from the heavier barrel may have been exacerbated by my grip (I grip really hard) Maybe something for me to explore further by having others shoot it as well. And yes, Jill was alway one of my most played characters in Mercenaries! Now I’m feeling the itch to replay RE5 for the 100th time 😅
@academiacadejo3266
@academiacadejo3266 Ай бұрын
I hope the Sp2022 gets the same treatment as the Px4 a hidden gem of a pistol
@TertiaOculus
@TertiaOculus 4 ай бұрын
Never thought this gun was ugly. Thinking of kinda getting one.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Its appearance is hit or miss for people. I personally don’t mind it 👍
@willywonkasgunfactory
@willywonkasgunfactory 4 ай бұрын
Nightwood! Please get a kitted out PX4 compact FROM Langdon. With the magwell, flat trigger, NP3, everything. I have carried a lot of “Gucci” guns from A staccato C2, MPA DS9 commander, and even a nighthawk. The PX4 has replaced all those as my EDC. Super flat, I like DA/SA, and the flat trigger in SA has just as nice of a trigger functionally has my 2011s.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Yes, I’d love to get one completely kitted out (including stippling)
@miles267
@miles267 4 ай бұрын
@@NightwoodGunsgot one. It’s life-changing.
@lunchandlearn
@lunchandlearn 4 ай бұрын
I had an inconsistent trigger reset on my PX4 Compact Carry 2 so I installed an optimized trigger bar from LTT and now I have an insanely short, consistent trigger reset. I also added a DPM recoil reduction spring and it’s the softest recoiling pistol I own.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Very nice! I’ll probably do the same 👍
@wisesage3289
@wisesage3289 4 ай бұрын
Your trigger reset experience is vastly different than my LTT Px4 Compact. The gun is exceptional with two issues. Grip texture, Langdon offers Boresight Stipple worth every penny and it’s a bit thick, so it prints a bit more than I would like. That said LTT Px4 is my primary carry now.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Very nice! I have an update on the reset in a pinned comment
@09X19
@09X19 4 ай бұрын
Compact px4 is a nice gun. Highly recommend.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Definitely easier to hide for many people 👍
@MikoFiticus
@MikoFiticus 4 ай бұрын
I'm glad you made the pinned comment. I found a used LTT CC Px4 with an RMR for $850. The LT improvements are absolutely insane. Mine has all the upgrades w/o the NP3 coating. The reset on mine is insane with a 2lb pull in SO. I think if you got the upgrades from the get-go, it would make this a top tier handgun. Also, where did you get your Faye Valentine shirt?
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Yeah, a fully tricked out LTT PX4 would be amazing. Sounds like you got an amazing deal! And I don’t remember where I got the Faye shirt from. It was a Black Friday 8 dollar deal. Perfect for a range shirt 😅
@chriseldiablo666
@chriseldiablo666 4 ай бұрын
Another good video. Can’t wait for that streamlight video
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
The streamlight is amazing. First thing I’ve changed on my EDC in a long time 👍
@miles267
@miles267 4 ай бұрын
Have both LTT PX4 GSD and CC. Best ever. Switched from P365 XMACRO.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Very nice! Definitely has a little less punch than the Macro (which is also a decent shooter)
@miles267
@miles267 4 ай бұрын
@@NightwoodGunsI believe you EDC’d the XMACRO for a while, correct? What is your current EDC?
@johnnelson9252
@johnnelson9252 3 ай бұрын
Kind of ironic that this gun was derived from the Cougar, and was intended to be a more shootable .40S&W. It wasn't much fun, if it was any fun at all, so they re-chambered it in 9mm. In fact, it was so unpopular in the larger caliber that it almost never gets mentioned.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 3 ай бұрын
@@johnnelson9252 Yep! 😅👍 I actually had a Cougar when Stoeger started making them on the cheap.
@oldmanjenkins771
@oldmanjenkins771 4 ай бұрын
Noice choice. the compact carry is what I always carry. Love her!
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Very nice! Great choice! 👍
@LVbibby
@LVbibby 4 ай бұрын
Sweet video thanks! Really excited about these PX4 bummer you didn't get the flat trigger that looks amazing. The SD version seems like a worthy upgrade. Enjoy the platty they have crazy good build quality for the price wish I went 5" oh well. The new tlr 7hx looks good I'll be waiting for that video.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
😎👍
@FatShadow56
@FatShadow56 4 ай бұрын
My one complaint with my compact was the slick grip. 100% needed talons.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Agreed 👍
@MrOrtmeier
@MrOrtmeier 3 ай бұрын
It's comfortable to hold because it's Beretta. Like the 92. That gun is very comfortable with an awesome trigger. Plus this thing is rated for NATO rounds which are harder on the gun than normal ammo. I agree that it needs more texture.
@goobasippay938
@goobasippay938 4 ай бұрын
If it makes you feel better, i watched this whole video and never noticed 😂😂😂. you are the top gun reviewer in my opinion, keep it up Brett!
@northernninety7
@northernninety7 4 ай бұрын
The PX4 must be making a resurgence cause I'm seeing new content of it left and right.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Yep, definitely making a comeback 👍
@raifcluster
@raifcluster 4 ай бұрын
While I own a PX4 Storm Compact with upgraded trigger and hammer springs, Vantage Point Compensator and optical sight, I admit that it is not my EDC, due mainly to carry weight (37.6 oz loaded). It is, however, my Sunday-go-to-meeting gun due to its accuracy. In a crowded church environment where accuracy is critical, I need THE most accurate concealable handgun. The Beretta PX4 is that gun for me. I have plenty of other guns to choose from, but for some crazy reason, I shoot the PX4 better than all of them. I cannot say why this is true, but it is. I can shoot it faster with greater accuracy than any of my Sigs, Springfields, Walthers, Smith and Wessons, Caniks, etc, etc, etc. At the active shooter training courses I've taken, the 80 to 100 yard parking lot shots were no problem.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Sounds like the PX4 was custom made for you! 😅👍
@raifcluster
@raifcluster 4 ай бұрын
The optical sight installation was done on the cheap with a dovetail mounted picatinny rail, which then accepts the red dot. It really does look stupid, but it works perfectly. My local gunsmith installed the new hammer and trigger springs. They are not Langdon Tactical quality, but they are smoother than factory. I got by spending relatively little, but the thing shoots well.
@blaiseeltine9516
@blaiseeltine9516 3 ай бұрын
19 weeks wow, patience.. the site says 24// glad to hear.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 3 ай бұрын
@@blaiseeltine9516 😅👍
@DanTheWolfman
@DanTheWolfman 4 ай бұрын
This & the HK P2000 I've been testing this weekend are the Easy Button Re Issues that SHOULD be done as 2025 models w redesigned Grip Texture, accelerator texture, orange front serrated rear U, lighter hammer springs (ur LTT model seems to have that 16 vs 20 lb maybe) & if possible OR. LIKE HOW easy of a revamp come on PX4 2025 or Gen 2, HK P2025 @HecklerKochTV etc. I DID a vid on px4 in .45 years ago saying as such.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Agreed 💯👍
@modernsoul6590
@modernsoul6590 3 ай бұрын
LTT offered an upgraded trigger bar a few years ago to shorten the reset.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 3 ай бұрын
Yep, I learned a lot from making this video. If the trigger bar was in stock I would gladly get one 😅
@JonnieHammaStix
@JonnieHammaStix 4 ай бұрын
I am pretty sure that @secretsquirrelflyfishing is right. Your PX4 is a new GS-D standard model with "design updates" from LTT. No trigger upgrades only sights, cerakote, levers and slide release. Beretta makes different size slide releases if you prefer a larger lever. Also - DPM makes recoil systems for the PX4. try one out and let us know if it makes any difference!
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Yep, you all were right! I appreciate you guys pointing it out. I did a full update in a pinned comment 👍 I did try a DPM System in the PX4. Made a slight difference. An upgrade worth making if you hate money, but much like the compensator it’s not necessary on this pistol.
@JonnieHammaStix
@JonnieHammaStix 4 ай бұрын
@@NightwoodGuns If you watch this channel, you already hate money. Also for other's in the chat - Handleit grips make a few versions for the PX4 but just know you will have to trim to fit.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
@@JonnieHammaStix Fair enough! 🤣
@scottinohio701
@scottinohio701 4 ай бұрын
Excellent review,as always!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
😎👍
@chillios2222
@chillios2222 4 ай бұрын
love mine in 45 automatic, solid piece
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Nice 👍
@S1deshowRob
@S1deshowRob 4 ай бұрын
Despite the amazing recoil impulse, I still cant stand the lack of texture from the factory. My hand slips all over the place on this gun but it’s definitely a testament to the design that this only slightly hurt my groups. Handleits are mandatory imo
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Agreed 💯
@harrycallahan9733
@harrycallahan9733 4 ай бұрын
Actually, compared to the first generation of Ruger P95 pistol, PX4 is a thousand times better. P95's plastic grip has no texture or serrations on the front AND back straps, only some shallow grooves on the two sides. Back then I only found P95 too slippery when my hands were bone dry. PX4 at least got good textures front and back, where it's most needed :)
@DaoistMonkey
@DaoistMonkey 4 ай бұрын
I got my CCW letter in New York City finally! I'm allowed to have 2 handguns in NYC and I just ordered my Staccato C. The other firearm I would like to get is the LTT PX4 Storm GSD. Would love for you to review the LTT and compare it to the Staccatos and The Bul Armory guns.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
@@DaoistMonkey Congrats! That’s awesome! 🙌 Definitely take your time thinking about that second gun. I wouldn’t rush it 😅
@turbo-bike7999
@turbo-bike7999 4 ай бұрын
Seems a rotating barrel is either constantly tightening or loosening a thread protector or suppressor. I bet that’s why the PX4 45 Special Duty has an extended barrel without threads🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
😅👍
@Chris-pw3ev
@Chris-pw3ev 4 ай бұрын
Thanks Brett. Love your videos
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
😎👍
@saintmichael753
@saintmichael753 4 ай бұрын
Nice. Very curious about this gun. You think as is, with no compensator, it shot flatter/faster than a ramjet'd glock or a sig macro comp?
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
@@saintmichael753 Better than the Macro. Close to a ramjet Glock. 👍
@joefw2446
@joefw2446 4 ай бұрын
I have always liked the Px4. One negative is you just cannot add a threaded barrel to suppress.
@charles17508
@charles17508 4 ай бұрын
I need to try that gun . Try before you buy ive been really let down buy other guns when i compared to my upgraded gen 5s
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Definitely try before you buy. At the end of the day, a Glock is all you need.
@Lex41710
@Lex41710 4 ай бұрын
I've all most bought one of these about 100 times. I just can't get past it's looks, I think it's the slide and how it slopes at the back. It reminds me of some pistol I didn't like....Anyway, now I'm looking at a Langdon custom model...thanks 😂
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
@@Lex41710 it really is a top performer. Super reliable and durable for crazy high round counts. And the true (super expensive) LTT model with the short reset would perform like a race car. But I totally get not being able to wrap your head around the way a gun looks 😅
@aspenair8988
@aspenair8988 4 ай бұрын
Guess they need to hype it more so people will know what the reset should be :D. Always appreciate the videos.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed the video! 👍 I added an update about the reset in a pinned comment.
@deecolon3236
@deecolon3236 4 ай бұрын
Been waiting for your non biased opinion on the px4 🔥🔥🔥 At the end of the day if you could only have one, px4 or g19 with wamjet. which is flatter/softer/faster in your opinion?
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
@@deecolon3236 G19 w/Ramjet (and DPM system) every day 👍
@dwightdhansen
@dwightdhansen 3 ай бұрын
I'd love to see Beretta make 8000 (Cougar) series again.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 3 ай бұрын
Absolutely! 🙌
@ZensivYT
@ZensivYT 4 ай бұрын
I order my LTT px4 with everything basically and it’s been 8 weeks+ now so hopefully I get it soon
@miles267
@miles267 4 ай бұрын
If you get Boresight stippling it adds another +8 wks.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
I’m sure the wait will be worth it! 🙌
@BrianKern2121
@BrianKern2121 4 ай бұрын
Hey nice timing. I just odered the LTT PX4 GSD. I went with the flat trigger shoe and an optic cut. I also ordered the comp so I can look cool. Because looking cool if half the battle....especially if your old like me 😂
@jabooee
@jabooee 4 ай бұрын
I ordered the same pistol but I got the stippling and skipped the comp (I can get that later). The grips are the worst part of the pistol so I decided to get them done now, even if it takes a few extra weeks.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
I’d say you got the perfect setup! 😅👍
@jabooee
@jabooee 4 ай бұрын
@@NightwoodGuns I got the RMR RDO cut as well but I’m going to shoot iron sights for now.
@arby2348
@arby2348 4 ай бұрын
My LT PX4 has a much shorter trigger reset than yours. Mine is right on top of the break. I really like it
@TROY-MCCLURE-1991
@TROY-MCCLURE-1991 4 ай бұрын
Hey Brett, you should review the S&W M&P 2.0 Carry Comp line up next!
@AaronDefensive
@AaronDefensive 4 ай бұрын
The carry comps look sick. Cant wait for brett to do a review of one soon
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
I’ve definitely had my eye on that since the announcement 👍 The carry comp with an Apex trigger would be 🔥
@zachb.6606
@zachb.6606 4 ай бұрын
Great review, thanks!
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
😎👍
@OgreRoku
@OgreRoku 4 ай бұрын
Too thick for IWB carry, for my preference. But all the reviews I've seen were positive on its shooting comfort and reliability. As long as it's reliable, everything else is preference
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Agreed, reliability is most important 👍 Anything else is a bonus
@pjfuscoonthenews1693
@pjfuscoonthenews1693 Күн бұрын
I’m of the opinion that the LTT option is unnecessary. The expense is not worth it. The gun, for all its supposed shortcomings, shoots straight and true out of the box. No gun is perfect for everyone, but I don’t think you will ever make a mistake purchasing this one. Love mine although I carry the compact which I find the same only a bit smaller.
@QuantumTactical
@QuantumTactical 2 ай бұрын
Love your honesty. I love my LTT PX4 compact but….. I fear there are better guns to spend money on. Such as the HK p30 by LTT. But the px4 is bullet proof, of course so is the HK and the HK has that awesome LEM trigger.
@chillios2222
@chillios2222 4 ай бұрын
love mine in 45 automatic solid piece
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Nice 👍
@chrisbounelis3489
@chrisbounelis3489 4 ай бұрын
Hey nightwood great video as usual should have got gray guns flat trigger is really good I have had a few issues slide stop took 500 rounds to easily send rounds home Langdon said it's the coatings getting broke in also had my front sight sliding off they are sending me a new one other than that a few light primer strikes first 100 rounds I love this gun feels and shoots fantastic!!
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
The front sight on every LTT product I’ve ever had slides off 😅 This one is good so far but we’ll see!
@eddiewest8477
@eddiewest8477 4 ай бұрын
I found ur video because im thinking about getting the px 4, Review was honest and thorough. I subscribed to ur channel, Great video cant wait for the next one 🙏🇺🇲✌️
@joule7256
@joule7256 4 ай бұрын
My favorite appearance of this gun is Ricky has one in Trailer Park Boys.
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
@@joule7256 😂👍
@Chris-pw3ev
@Chris-pw3ev 4 ай бұрын
Wish you were with me last week. I couldn't decide between this in a compact and the PDP pro compact
@NightwoodGuns
@NightwoodGuns 4 ай бұрын
Can’t go wrong either way 😎👍
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