Ninja Hideaway To RUINED Coconut Mall- How Mario Kart 8 Deluxe DLC Tracks Are GREAT And BAD

Many have wanted Mario Kart 9 for MANY years. I initially thought Mario Kart 8 Deluxe was designed to hold us over until the next game, since Nintendo needed a new system quick after the Wii U. I guess Mario Kart Tour is indeed Mario Kart 9, and Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit is Mario Kart 10. I was not thrilled to find out a nearly decade old game would replace a successor, but many have convinced me to check out the DLC for myself. My thoughts may or may not surprise you. Hopefully this does not mean New Super Mario Bros U replaced a new Mario platformer.

[@rowanmunroe2818]

the biggest thing for me with coconut mall is that it doesn't even feel like a mall anymore. The original was so chaotic and busy, and had better scaling, and realistic details such as stairs. the remade version is just way too simple, and a lot of the sections feel very narrow, not to mention the complete lack of detail

[@ThomasPhillipsOakley]

I think you're misremembering. Coconut Mall has always felt like that; however, the reason why it felt so bustling was because Mario Kart Wii was chaotic. I will say that I feel like Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is getting more flack because people are misdirecting their anger. The courses look good and revamp my childhood while adding so much more. For 20 bucks the courses are good and look amazing. People really need to focus their discontent towards how Nintendo handles retro gaming, re-masters, and anniversaries. I only have the expansion pack for Mario 64 US, Ocarina of Time, Majoras Mask, and the 8 Deluxe Expansion Pack. I'm excited to see what they do in the future for the game, as the courses have been good with some greats and this is only the first 8 of 48.

[@MP_Guz]

cars aside the track is fine. the real issue is that it belongs in tour and not in 8 deluxe

[@larniieplayz6285]

@@MP_Guz clearly they didn’t have much of a budget unfortunately

[@the-inatorinator]

Agreed. Coconut Mall would NEVER have gotten so popular if it was your average Mario Circuit track. We don't like it just for the layout lol

[@MP_Guz]

@@the-inatorinator which is what the bootlickers don't understand. "gameplay is all that matters!" no, presentation also matters

[@SoshiTheYoshi]

Coconut Mall is one of my favorites of the pack, but even it has its problems. Especially since Nintendo couldn’t even afford gas or Miis for the cars

[@Good_Gamez]

lol

[@RRM693]

What if Nintendo put the new miis in the cars

[@Good_Gamez]

@@RRM693 I would probably cancel my expansion pack membership

[@RRM693]

@@Good_Gamez 😂

[@RogerIsDum]

​@@RRM693 they will not because they are sports mates they will probably leave it as is or add the miis

[@eeveeon4081]

I will not stand by while Shroom Ridge is being torn apart. It has had two shortcuts added to it while having a while keeping true to the original, unlike Sky Garden. The shortcut where you fly off the road without a glider is especially cool, and that new music is absolutely bopping like it did before!

[@Tortidis987]

Yeah i was super let down by the downgrades in Coconut Mall and Sky Garden, but I felt like Shroom Ridge was just as good as I remembered it being on DS! Easily my favorite non-Tour track of the DLC

[@prestonandtom9337]

@@AccursedHawk what do you mean you can't hit the cars anymore? I've done it several times.

[@oden-sama_]

@@prestonandtom9337 it's just a hit box and not a hazard

[@Lunar_splat]

@@AccursedHawk you are most likely using auto steer which would pull you away from the cars

[@Lunar_splat]

@@AccursedHawk just pause the game during a race and press the L button

[@elkarlo1593]

I wouldn't say Coconut Mall is ruined, since it plays very very close to the original and 3DS remake, with only the parking lot being a noticeable difference, and while the parking lot was nerfed HARD, it's only like 2/10 of the whole track And while the cars SHOULD hurt you, acting as stationary walls has proven to be almost as devastating to your current position, maybe more if you get stuck getting hit by items while trying to recover Also while the escalators are really easy and lame to identify now, I think they turn sides more often, or at least I have took the green one Wich changes to red as I'm crossing it, slowing me down hard like 4/10 times I play that track I'd say if Coconut Mall used to be a 10/10, it is now just a 9/10 Edit: Alright, the cars do move in Tour, now there's no excuse to keep them stationary in 8

[@danielvakser9993]

A 2/10? At that point, I’d might as well call it ruined.

[@treajones2303]

@@danielvakser9993 two tenths of the whole track

[@andresreynoso7254]

The track feels shorter overall and the parking lot removes a lot of the challenge from the original track The walls aren’t devastating either, it feels weird that CARS don’t make you spin out All of this because it’s ported from Microtransactions Kart a Tour’s datamine This 10/10 track is now a 7/10 track

[@elkarlo1593]

@@andresreynoso7254 Nah I guarantee you the walls really are devastating, at least when playing against other people But yeah it sucks that cars are weaker than a piranha plant cardboard cutout

[@ThePillowGamer]

Coconut mall isn’t even a mall anymore. No chaos, no stairs, no Miis in the background shopping. No hecking driving at the end like in an actual mall. They removed everything that made it a mall (and therefore that made it good). The only reason it was so fun was because of the above. That isn’t true anymore, it isn’t fun.

[@seapuffanimations1713]

I just don’t know why the textures weren’t used in Toad Circuit, Sky Garden, Shroom Ridge, or Coconut Mall. They could literally reuse textures that are already in the game and in the other DLC tracks. Either ran out of time or they were just lazy. Probably both.

[@elkarlo1593]

Seeing how much the graphics improved between reveal and release, I'd say it was just the tight deadline Hopefully they can continue improving them after they've been released

[@owenstubbs3873]

@@elkarlo1593 yeah, I was thinking about that, like improving them each time so they all look good at the end or something.

[@notsocooldude7720]

I really don’t understand when people use the term lazy in a context like this. The devs aren’t lazy. They probably just weren’t given the time or resources to make it better. None of it comes down to laziness it comes down to decisions made on how much to invest in something like this

[@jclkaytwo]

@@notsocooldude7720 if these visuals were a decision, then it sure was a bad one.

[@notsocooldude7720]

@@jclkaytwo It was bad in the sense that the tracks don’t look as good as they should, but the higher ups at nintendo weigh the costs and benefits in a situation like this. They decided it wasn’t worth it to invest the extra time and money that it would take to make them look as good as the original 48 tracks

[@luigiboi4174]

From my point of view, I’ve never really owned any Mario Kart game outside of 8 Deluxe. I have played some of the older versions at my friend’s house. So this DLC is Really nice to me, I’ve never experienced these courses before. So it’s basically truly new content to me. But I understand why everyone is upset, Nintendo could have put more effort into these tracks. If Nintendo remastered these tracks, they should have done something completely new for each course. They shouldn’t have down graded the tracks. (Coconut mall, for example)

[@elkarlo1593]

They downgraded Dry Dry Desert too when the game came out on Wii U That's not an excuse, or even an explanation, that's just a jab at base game too

[@dean_0407]

@@elkarlo1593 dry dry dessert never felt downgraded from the gamecube what you mean ?

[@diamondmario64]

I'm glad you like it! I'm someone who's been playing Mario Kart for as long as I can remember, and I actually enjoy the DLC too! But yeah you can't exactly justify Nintendo's actions and I can also understand why people are so upset. Personally I don't think they ruined Coconut Mall, but with experience I can say the older one is objectively better.

[@jmaster4941]

@@dean_0407 Dry Dry Desert lacks the tornado of the GC original and the oasis near the end is unnecessary. Tick-Tock Clock's Clock hands don't hurt you anymore and Wario's Goldmine's mine carts don't hurt you anymore either. Loads of retro tracks have been neutered compared to their original versions so it's nothing new.

[@Nic_2751]

The biggest sin was oversimplifying Coconut Mall’s logo.

[@nolanjthesupergoanimator2909]

They didn't really oversimplify Coconut Mall's logo at all, and I don't mind that they did that. It just needs to have an albedo map to it to give it more polish

[@hammerkirby5243]

I understand your mixed feeling on them. Why don't the cars move in Coconut Mall? Why does Toad Circuit look worse than the 3ds version? But to me the flaws are easier to accept when you consider the price to track ratio.

[@knuclear200x]

I can see you cope

[@hammerkirby5243]

@@knuclear200x It's just my opinion but alright 😂 I was pretty polite about it I think. No need to be a dick. It's fine if you don't like the dlc

[@HarryBoSweets]

@@knuclear200x I can see you think your opinion is the only opinion

[@knuclear200x]

@@HarryBoSweets Nobody wants to believe they spent money on tracks they already have

[@HarryBoSweets]

@@knuclear200x what about the people who missed out on those games? And nobody was obliged or forced to get this if they didn’t think it was worth it.

[@egonvm]

Totally agreed. Tour tracks are awesome. And Coconut Mall... Removing Miis when they're already in the dark times... I still really hope that Mario Kart 9 has Mii spectators (and an ability to remove those helmets to let vibrantly colored hairs shine). And I understand the gripes about people defending people. I see many people complain about how Miis are removed from the spotlight in Nintendo Switch Sports, only to be met with words "But you can play as a Mii." Yes, that's true. We all know that. But the biggest thing is still that they are getting rid of Miis. What's especially infuriating is the introduction of new colors of hair, eyes, skin etc, which invites to create, but the main gimmick of Miis is using them in game. And there isn't a lot of the games using them... Sorry about that, but really, Nintendo's "antics" has made me rant too.

[@paulolsen2197]

Yeah miis are great and really have the Nintendo charm that the main character creation people in new sports don’t. Shame they are only used as a slapped on face instead of a full character.

[@egonvm]

@@paulolsen2197 Yes. Nintendo also shared what Sportmate creation looks like. And they have so much less color choices. Hair and eye only has 7 colors (Miis now have 100) and 6 skin tones (Miis now have 10). Yes, they are slapped on... But at least they're there so we can flex how Miis can have green hair, purple eyes, and rose lips.

[@piranhalettuce]

The fact that miis wear helmets in MK8 makes me not want to use them, you know you messed up when I don’t want to play as Hamburger.

[@egonvm]

@@piranhalettuce You know, I agree. Helmets should be optional. After all, Miis don't wear helmets in online lobbies.

[@budderguy2128]

5:40 “it uses textures unlike toad circuit” Literally what everyone feels looking at that plastic fantastic course

[@nolanjthesupergoanimator2909]

Well Choco Mountain uses ground textures for its walls and uses that soil texture for the rocks

[@Soapie_Walten]

What I find so incredibly confusing about the first wave of dlc tracks in general is the complete lack of consistency. But moreover that it definitely didn't have to be like this. Take the grass for instance. All of the grass in mario kart 8 pulls from the same texture. All it would require would be a drag and drop to use the same texture and I feel like that alone would make a world of difference. Since all they really needed for that stuff was the models of the maps from mario kart tour, and most of the textures were already in the game, why not just use those ones? If anything, making the tracks look like mario kart tour was ironically the harder thing to do

[@nolanjthesupergoanimator2909]

There were multiple grass textures in Mario Kart 8 anyways, and not just one

[@barelyhere7200]

Honestly the tour tracks are probably the best ones. The way they change every lap really makes them unique and they’re all really fun. All the other tracks are pretty good to. Honestly I just wish they would release all the other waves just right now!

[@anthonystrangio]

They sabotaged the older tracks to manipulate people into playing Tour

[@TitanXecutor]

Maybe we should wait and give them time to polish up whatever they plan to release next

[@barelyhere7200]

@@TitanXecutor Well yeah obviously I’m just saying I want to play them now😂

[@TitanXecutor]

@@barelyhere7200 Yeah. Same. Who knows what's next. I'm hoping for Bowser's Castle on the N64. How about you?

[@barelyhere7200]

@@TitanXecutor daisy cruiser, toads factory, Rainbow Road from Mariokart 7 and maka wuhu

[@koskinen2836]

They really messed up with Coconut Mall. The colors, the cars at the end, the metallic sections, the escalators, *everything* is worse than it was in the Wii version. Truly a disappointment.

[@DespyCL]

Share some of your opinions, but honestly, the one about adding anti grav sections is debatable. At the end of the day anti grav is just a lame gimmick if the track isnt made with it in mind. Why i say this? Because even the base game doesnt have anti grav in all of the tracks, and it also throw in there in some that doesnt adds any advantage and it sjust there, in routes that slows you down. Anti grav only works on tracks like dragon driftway, wild woods, shy guy falls, electrodrome... tracks that were made with anti grav in mind.

[@elkarlo1593]

I agree, the antigravity gameplay is basically the same as regular driving, it should always be used only if the track itself benefits from it, and while some tracks in wave one could have, it's really not a big deal all things considered to leave it out for most, or even all of the 40 remaining tracks, in my opinion

[@DespyCL]

@@elkarlo1593 Exactly. The track has to be designed arround antigrav itself for it to work the best it can. Toad harbor for example has antigrav sections that serves 0 porpuse, same for toad's turnpike, thwomps ruins, gba mario circuit, warios gold mine... Also, people complain that coconut mall got its cars obstacles nerfed, what about wario gold mine and the minecarts? They nerfed the hell out of them...

[@elkarlo1593]

@@DespyCL indeed, I'd argue that antigravity hasn't hurt any track it was unnecessarily shoo horned in, but the tracks that do not use it, both inside and outside of the DLC, prove that it is truly unnecessary to design a fun track Also antigravity did hurt those minecarts but seeing the Coconut Mall cars I'm convinced they would have been nerfed regardless of antigravity, and nerfing them via antigravity might have been better than nerfing them without it

[@duragdee2760]

@@elkarlo1593 Coconut Mall's cars would have been nerfed regardless, most likely because the Golden Dash Cup is on par with the Mushroom Cup in terms of difficulty.

[@yetanotherhankhill1032]

It'd only make sense to have anti gravity sections in something like Mario Kart 7 Rainbow Road where it fits thematically

[@sam4gaming135]

Im all for more "alligator bitches about nintendo game"

[@openyourbank9426]

Excuse me mate he’s a croc

[@DuckJohnn]

@@openyourbank9426 Alligator has U mouth while crocs have V. This looks more U to me.

[@SoshiTheYoshi]

He’s a crocogator

[@openyourbank9426]

@@DuckJohnn well you’re looking wrong

[@NintendoTV64]

Honestly, seeing what they did to Toad Circuit and Coconut Mall is pretty upsetting (seriously, RIP the Miis), but most of the other tracks look surprisingly decent for a $25 deal. I love the attention to detail in Ninja Hideaway and Choco Mountain for example, and while I would've preferred New York Minute to come back over Paris Promenade, I'm still glad that SOME sort of effort was put into the presentation of the tracks. I will probably get it once it's been out for a while so I can reserve my judgement for the next wave of tracks. Overall, I give it a 5/10.

[@piranhalettuce]

It’s really upsetting seeing them mess up Coconut Mail and Toad Circuit, mainly because Mario Kart 7 was my first Mario Kart game.

[@barelyhere7200]

I’m actually really glad that Nintendo is porting over all of the original tour tracks to 8. The tracks are really fun and a lot of people haven’t played them since Mario kart tour is a gotcha game. Also Tour is not going to be around forever so putting all of the original tracks from tour on 8 Insurances the fact that they’re going to be remembered. I will be very surprised if by the time the last wave comes out not all of the original tour tracks are in eight. Also in my opinion Tokyo blur is the best track in the first wave

[@crumplycashew7095]

The RMX tracks are probably not going to get in though

[@barelyhere7200]

@@crumplycashew7095 don’t no what that is…..

[@IDKisReal2401]

@@barelyhere7200 new variations of the SNES tracks Also there is kalamari desert 2 with is classified as a N64 track but is new and basically a RMX track

[@barelyhere7200]

@@IDKisReal2401 oh got it

[@theonlyjnockl698]

Honestly I really enjoyed Paris Promenade but I felt like the other 7 tracks were pretty weak, especially Sky Garden. in all seriousness, MK8 Sky Garden may be one of my least favorite MK tracks ever.... Also I agree, coconut mall is ruined. I loved how fast paced it was in MKW, but now it's slow and boring. also is it only me who thinks that the track is either too small or too large most of the time? especially at the end, it's combining 2 long straightaways with a very tight or wide track. it just feels empty and slow...

[@somethingspontaneous4982]

Salute to when sky garden was a classic. It wad so unique but now it just feels... generic?

[@galvsparks6295]

Bruh we really calling ninja hideaway and remade shroom ridge "weak" now

[@theonlyjnockl698]

@@galvsparks6295 Shroom Ridge just feels plain and empty, just as it did in DS. personality is still lacking and on replaying Ninja Hideaway I will say it's pretty good but I still prefer Paris Promenade that means there are 6 tracks that are meh, and 2 tracks I enjoy

[@domgoncalvescezaretti5258]

@@theonlyjnockl698 at least the song of Shroom Ridge is soooo good, right? ...right?

[@theonlyjnockl698]

@@domgoncalvescezaretti5258 I think it's amazing but in all honestly I do like the original a bit more

[@ade1174]

Ninja Hideaway is ridiculously fun. I love all the paths plus the aesthetics and music. I also love the added cave section in Choco Mountain. Paris Promenade is great too with the third lap being backwards of the first two.

[@guineboud1347]

Have to agree on Coconut Mall getting botched horribly, but you missed the new shortcut on Shroom Ridge and I think it's a very nice track, both versions.

[@danielvakser9993]

Hopefully Nintendo will see just how unhappy people are with the lack of challenge in Coconut Mall so they can fix it when they make wave 2 if at all.

[@moosesues8887]

Multimedia franchises listening to consumers:

[@Goji505]

@@moosesues8887 Well, enough people wanted to interact with Callie in Splatoon 2...

[@DaRoachDoggJrr]

@@Goji505 there’s no chance they’ll change it. Especially since it affects time trials

[@Goji505]

@@DaRoachDoggJrr People can and will just set new records (or just cry about it) but yeah they'd never do it.

[@a.jdeets5527]

Yeah that won’t happen

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

"Ruined". This is being overdramatic, seriously.

[@tr1ing2h3rd7]

I understand where your opinions come from. The coconut mall changes aren't great and the graphics on toad circuit and shroom ridge are dreadful. But the music remix are incredible for toad circuit shroom ridge choco mountain and sky garden. Personally the tour tracks are ok but honestly I agree we also need mk9 but tbh when the do it and it'll be on a new console idk if people will afford it atm with energy prices going up.

[@obi-wankenobi1514]

What pisses me off is how they could've easily delayed this dlc by a few months and worked on it more, but they chose not to. People are defending them as if Nintendo had no choice and had to choose quantity or quality, when we could've easily had both.

[@Mctee..]

the only dlc track i've played was ninja hideaway luckily it was one of the three tracks to vote for in online and i was blown away at how good the track was easily my favourite mario kart track

[@colingznetworkplus4618]

The tour tracks were honestly some of the most interesting ones featured, like how they change each lap, and Ninja Hideaway is cool in general

[@Needl_V]

The graphics still are bad, they only improved the lighting, since the Trailer and everything feels the SAME, everthing has that plastic look, it´s so sad, they didn´t put ANY EFFORT into this DLC. Tour Tracks are the worst part about the DLC, because they´re either boring or just not made for this game. (and NO, changing the layout every lap, doesn´t make it a FUN TRACK) Retro Tracks use their Tour Version, which sometimes is okay and sometimes there are just no changes (or changes that makes tracks much worse *cough* Coconut-Mall *cough* [after the last ramp, everything is sooo empty [visually], compare it to Wii and 3DS, it is night and day!] The only good track of the DLC is Ninja-Hideaway, it doesn´t feel optimized for the game, so you need to practice because of that and not because it is a challenging track, but I can forgive it that. (Ninja-Hideaway 200cc is so much fun, but only there, on 150cc it feels so... slow, because they scaled it up 10 times or something lol) But only because it is the only good DLC track for me, it doesn´t mean, it is as good as the base-game tracks... Maybe on the same level of fun as... Yoshi-Valley... both are fun tracks :D (and both have the 150cc problem) I would not recommend playing this DLC, except for time trials (if you even play it), maybe future tracks will get better and will have more effort put into them, but that´s probablly not going to happen... sadly....

[@thazkid]

I didn't like the Coco mountain remake track. It could be my nostalgia talking, but I liked how mysterious and soothing the original track felt. With the new one, I think they kinda over did it with all of the Koopas and Shy guys. I think it may have been better if they weren't even there. That and this track needs more fog.

[@carterinosencio4563]

Coconut Mall was ruined by the DLC. The aesthetic of the first iteration on the Wii was so much brighter and just better. The new version is too flat and dark. Also, they got rid of the glass in the big jump part when you go to the parking lot and the mini jump on the left. Also, they got rid of all the flowers and made the trees too plasticky.

[@MP_Guz]

we've seen a teaser of that track from tour and it's STILL brighter than the 8 deluxe one it's honestly funny

[@Yoshisixtyfour]

7:39 How is shroom ridge forgettable? I remember it so well from Mario kart DS and I only played it when I was young and I haven’t seen it in years and I still never forgot about it. Just saying, not trying to be rude.

[@INFERN0FIRE]

I think is better in this game due to how drifting works in MK8. It's also one of the most curvy tracks in the game. It's really unique.

[@Yoshisixtyfour]

@@INFERN0FIRE indeed

[@sarahgroves6318]

I would agree that toad circuit and sky garden are bad… but I think nostalgia is getting in the way of being upset with coconut mall and shroom ridge. There is something so satisfying about racing on shroom ridge that I loved even playing on the ds. I think the presentation of coconut mall is definitely different, and the moving cars being gone is a heartbreaking loss, but playing coconut mall still feels like a direct line of Serotonin into my bloodstream

[@BenVaBo]

I do want a new Mario Kart, but save it for the next console. This is a good (and cheaper) alternative for people such as me who wanted more Mario Kart.

[@jajathenewking6131]

Shroom Bridge is fun and I'm fine with it but I do agree with you on toad circuit, coconut mall, and sky garden. One was boring, one got rid of a fun and challenging section for a trash obstacle, and last one got rid of all the good short cuts for lamer ones plus it was shorter. Anti gravity is also a nitpick I have because that's the gimmick of mk8

[@ranpan6082]

Choco Mountain and Ninja Hideaway are the highlight tracks for me, I adore the music in Shroom Ridge. But yeah, the tracks are pretty inconsistent, some look like they had a whole lot of care put into them, others look like the developers were rushing to get this out as soon as possible and it shows. I'm hyped for Kirby, but like you, Mario Strikers is worrying to me. If it comes out bare-bones, I might just throw my hands up and be done with Nintendo and be a casual fan of their few and far between games that I enjoy. I will be furious if they ruin Strikers. I want a new Mario Kart game, but should we even get one now? What I mean is, should we get a new game on the Switch? With how much support 8 Deluxe is getting, if a new game came out, the system would be seven years old and it come out so much later in the console's life cycle. People would be saying save it for the next system, take advantage of newer, more powerful hardware to deliver a innovative experience. Metroid Prime 4 restarted development three years ago and we've not heard much of anything from it. They could be moving it to the next system for all we know. We don't know how long Nintendo plans to keep the Switch and when their next system will be coming out.

[@a18yearoldonyoutubeluigi]

Yo, the cars in Coconut Mall move now, doing freaking wheelies, does that improve the track at all for you?

[@turbobist2889]

I've been enjoying this dlc. Though my biggest issue isn't the out of place artstyle, it's the fact that they removed the Luigi Blimp from Sky Garden.

[@R0sieHere]

heavy counter on DS Shroom Ridge. It adds a glider ramp to the more open middle part of the track, changing how it plays from DS and a gust of wind at the end. While these dont do much, they still improve the feel of the track. Also on Paris Promenade you forgot to mention about the sick part where you circle back on the race and could drive against previous players. Removing moving cars from coconut mall may be a consideration for 200cc. (Yes GBA Sky Garden does suck ass though. I only played the DS remake but damn does that slap compared to this version)

[@kevmk8997]

I agree!

[@kevmk8997]

That's a good reason for removing the miis at the end imagine if it was because gas prices are too expensive now lmao omg that woukd be funny but also really lazy

[@dabluepittoo-aqua4213]

Honestly I'm quite happy with the DLC. Toad Circuit is the only disappointment for me, but other than that I love all the other tracks. Making the DLC is at least understandable on Nintendo's part as a Mario Kart 9 would be directly competing with a Mario Kart on the same console so the DLC is a happy compromise. Coconut Mall. . .yeah, it's a downgrade but doesn't ruin the track for me. Still do prefer the Wii version, but it's Coconut Mall at the end of the day. Can't say that no effort went into it as there's a bunch of new in-universe ads exclusive to Coconut Mall too. Actually quite love the new Sky Garden. . .despite it's short length. Wish it used Anti-Gravity but otherwise is quite fun. Shroom Ridge is a track I already enjoy and the new shortcuts do add a little bit of spice to it. And the other tracks Ishare your opinion on. Graphics can be improved but otherwise I'm happy. REALLY want the Tour characters and costumes to come over to 8 Deluxe tho!

[@megamix5403]

It's a little disappointing to hear that Shroom Ridge didn't get the same level of attention of detail as something like Toad's Turnpike. However, it is more of a relief to hear that there's still fun to be had in the DLC and the Mario Kart Tour Tracks live up to the hype. That being said, I'll hold off to buy the DLC for now so I can finish my Mario Kart McDonald's collection. lol Good review as always, Meech! 👍

[@beuwm]

at least the Miis learned how to park.

[@knatred1489]

no they didnt. they never learned. the shy guys killed all of them

[@beuwm]

@@knatred1489 WHAT

[@beuwm]

@@knatred1489 MY BROTHER WAS THERE

[@roykooper902]

I'm so glad we have people like you that cares fro Nintendo but has genuine criticisms.

[@kitkrat9332]

Shroom Ridge was always the most memorable for me because I kept getting ran over

[@JGr2000]

I’m enjoying this dlc so far, but I really wish these tracks were up to par with the base tracks in terms of graphics and mechanics. Sure the anti gravity is by no means game changing, but not having the mechanic in a single booster pass course is jarring as well as the graphical downgrade

[@baalfgames5318]

Honestly, I'm with you at the end. I can't help but like CTR:NF more than MK8DX. I just like how it handles more than MK8, and I also like the fact that the powrups are less chaotic and I'm not constantly zapped by lightning in CTR. The only problem I have is the Hard Difficulty. It often feels like the AI is hacked to be faster than you, so you need to master every track to win.

[@Mr2Secs]

How to make future courses better: - Use better textures and add background details. - DON'T remove parts of the track. i.e.: Coconut Mall's cars, Sky Garden's 2/3 portions, Shroom Ridge's reverse cars. - Only excepction, is when you swap the removed part with something similar but that still plays the same function. - Add new things, just like Choco Mountain. - Revamp the look, like Tour's version of Waluigi's Pinball.

[@duragdee2760]

Easier said than done. Aesthetics aside, some track features from previous games wouldn't work well in 8. You have to consider items, number of racers, and 200cc. For example, having the obstacle vehicles in Shroom Ridge drive both ways would cause issues with 12 players and 200cc.

[@Mr2Secs]

@@duragdee2760 The number of cars was reduced, tho. Also, everything just looks kinda bigger, so I don't see how skill wouldn't let you avoid the cars easily.

[@duragdee2760]

@@Mr2Secs Potential problematic design choices cannot always be compensated by skill. In regards to 200cc, moving vehicles and boost panels in a track that seems to have been made with Mushroom Cup level difficulty wouldn't work well.

[@Mr2Secs]

@@duragdee2760 In this case, they can. It's very simple actually. You see a car, you go to another lane. Coming on both sides? Wait for an opening on go through the middle. Easy, which is proven by mods and the original. Now, I did get something wrong, which is the number cars, since there seem to be more, and that would actually make bi-directional cars difficult. And if you consider this an issue, then just remember that a faithful recreation wouldn't have it. One last thing, neither version has boost panels, and both of them are on the 2nd cup, so yeah. . This is fun. I missed discussions.

[@duragdee2760]

@@Mr2Secs My bad, I got it mixed up with Coconut Mall in the second reply. But yeah, for Shroom Ridge, I don't think making the vehicles more 'faithful' would have done much. I believe the idea here was to make the movement patterns more predictable in exchange for increasing the number of vehicles, so either way you'll be smacking into them, especially on 200cc. Thus, the original hazard is preserved, just in a different way. Edit: Just wanted to add that I find this to be a good discussion as well, a healthy one at that. More like these should be had.

[@theonewhowrotethis5681]

For reference, most of these tracks are face-lifted from Mario Kart Tour or were added to 8D right before getting added to Tour. As such, your complaints about the quality of the tracks are BECAUSE they were sourced from Tour (each lap within the Tour Cities are a different track of the city from Tour, for example). Sky Garden in 8D is almost identical to its rendition from Tour, for example. I agree that criticism is important, but Tour isn't a holy grail of a Mario Kart game as it was the source of the "butchering" of the retro courses (besides the cars not moving as Tour has them move while 8D oddly doesn't). The courses being sourced from Tour is also why it's pretty likely that most (if not all courses) will not feature Zero Gravity segments.

[@northcub]

i don't care how fun the tracks are, i cannot get behind the graphics. everything looks like plastic - colours are flat, textures aren't detailed enough and it doesn't match the rest of the game. they've clearly just ported them from tour and made no effort to upgrade them to fit the switch's capabilities. i mean look at the bushes in paris promenade, or the lilypads in ninja hideaway. and those are the BETTER ones. even if the courses looked good (ninja hideaway and paris promenade don't exactly look bad, just not as good as the rest of mk8), the inconsistency in art style is gonna drive me insane. it makes me feel like i'm not even playing the same game.

[@openyourbank9426]

Oh boy Emo Meech is back

[@MadMaxxed1224]

I'm excited to hear what you think about them. I like them and think they are worth the 25 dollars

[@knuclear200x]

_>I like them and think they are worth the 25 dollars_ Typical Switch owner, everybody

[@mariohourofficial]

I agree and we still got 40 more coming in the next two years

[@MadMaxxed1224]

@@knuclear200x except it's true.

[@MadMaxxed1224]

I mean- I still have problems with them. Toad circuit is disgusting looking, coconut mall was butchered, the tracks feel too short, and they definition could've put more effort into it. Still with it though and I enjoyed playing them

[@knuclear200x]

@@MadMaxxed1224 Anything to stave off the idea that you wasted $25

[@zspro123]

I feel shroom ridge gets too much dislike. It's a really fun course, It's also the only course in the game along with toad's turnpike where all the item boxes move and also has no double item boxes giving it an interesting strategy as to take a shortcut or grab items. You didn't mention the cool shortcut at the end where you just launch off the cliff into a random air gust. Yeah the visuals aren't jaw dropping but honestly it doesn't have to. I think it's looks really pretty and I love how the colors pop. I kinda wish they expanded the mountain background and put more stuff in the background though. As a person who lives near the mountains themselves it reminds me of home in a way. I agree with Toad circuit though. It's easily the worst track. Also like others have said it one of my favorite DS tracks in the og game. I played it so much on so many car trips.

[@ThatGuyLegend]

As long as they add Koopa cape and maple treeway I'll be happy

[@cardboardking577]

Me too. Maybe that one mario galaxy track too.

[@andresreynoso7254]

They will according to datamine, but my favorite Mario kart track (Maple Treeway) looks terribly visually in Microtransactions Kart especially the trees which are more rounded and the background feels off, and since they are using that versions I have 0 faith

[@ThatGuyLegend]

@@andresreynoso7254 it'll probably look better in the 8dx lighting engine and I'm sure the textures will be slightly improved

[@schluckauff]

"they did *absolutely* nothing to revamp Shroom Ridge" dude, come on Toad Circuit? yeah Shroom Ridge? play it again

[@marcomcgann2522]

I'm gonna be honest, I find it kinda dumb to bitch about not getting mario kart 9 when we know that'll come sooner or later, but games like Kid Icarus uprising are 10 years old and Nintendo won't even mention it

[@stoopidmansidiot]

I'm not really a huge fan of MK8DX for various reasons, so I'm not sure if I'll end up getting the DLC

[@MP_Guz]

me neither, I was super hyped when it came out but the more I played it the more flaws I noticed

[@kevinaguilar7541]

@@MP_Guz that's why you should always wait for people to review it.

[@MP_Guz]

@@kevinaguilar7541 unfortunately it caught me off guard because I loved every Mario kart game from double dash to tour and the series never disappointed me before, 8 deluxe seemed to be the improved version of 8 which I had lots of issues with, my main issues were the lack of battle mode, the roster being awful and some terrible gameplay gimmicks. people were telling me they all were drastically improved, but unfortunately they weren't fixed, they were a step up from the Wii u version, but they still weren't fixed and it's depressing given they had years and years to do so.

[@ZeptoBST]

You know what, that was a fair review. You gave it a chance, thus having a base to form what I consider a very respectable perspective. Sure, I have differing opinions when it comes to different aspects, but frankly, I think you do bring some interesting points in various regards. Good job!

[@anonymouskitten5492]

Every track is good in wave one of the dlc, and cars not moving doesn’t make coconut mall bad But I agree toad circuit is meh Also stop asking for mk9

[@AdamWielgosz]

Actually, Sky Garden does not come from the original. The layout actually comes from the Mario Kart Tour version of the track, and Tour has a track record of changing the layout of GBA tracks. Most of the tracks, like the GBA Bowser’s Castles, Sunset Wilds and Cheep-Cheep Island have like one or two turns taken out. But for some reason, they decided to completely bastardize Sky Garden to what it is now.

[@tonymcdermott8664]

Choco mountain I think is a major downgrade considerin that you used to be able to bump people off the ledge and make them fall into last while you were tryin to dodge the boulders but now that's all gone

[@BradfortBottlenose]

High five, Meechy boi! I love Ninja Hideaway as well! :D Y'now, if we (mostly?) get tracks from Tour in this DLC, then my hope is the next Mario Kart will give us a freshly remade batch of retro courses. Because I highly doubt every single track will be in Tour before it eventually shuts down (And I'm sure it will because Dragalia Lost is shutting down and that one is popular). But yeah, Toad Circuit sucks. I think that one's the worst of these eight. In fact I feel like it actually looks worse than it did in Tour.

[@HoroJoga]

Have you dropped Mario Kart Tour @demeech? Because Chocolate Mountain and Sky Garden are also ported from that game.

[@monkeydude6196]

Something to keep note for the entirety of the courses, they are remasters, not remakes. So of course they’re not gonna give us the time and effort that they did for the base courses. All they’re gonna do is fix the lighting, maybe add a few things here and there (MKTV van appearing here and there), and sprucing up the music. And then they call it a day. Maybe some tracks will get a little bit more added, maybe add some anti gravity sections here and there. I don’t really know, but I do wish they’d at least put it a little more effort into adding a little more to the courses. Hoping they do in the future. Though I still half to agree, the tour tracks are amazing.

[@PolaryMP]

It”s confirmed that you get to keep the dlc if you get the expansion pass even if it expires

[@knuclear200x]

1:03 A smart man. Unlike the rest of you Switch owners paying $85 for 96 old tracks

[@Jdudec367]

Eh...I'm pretty sure MK8 Deluxe isn't replacing MK9, MK9 is gonna eventually happen. I get the disappointment in the DLC...and I was hoping for MK9 too but this is still some pretty good DLC with 48 tracks. How is Nintendo Switch Sports the most shameless game Nintendo has ever made? They made games like Amiibo Festival and Ultra Smash, those are a million times worse. I thought Toad Circuit was a decent stage but it wasn't changed much at all. Eh...they didn't mess up badly with Coconut Mall. It's not super inconsistent. The beginning actually looks pretty good and it looks comparable to the base tracks. Removing the moving cars did suck though so yeah the ending was a disappointment but the track overall isn't too easy. Toad Circuit really isn't pathetic but it is lackluster. Coconut Mall isn't botched but it could have been better. They did stuff to improve Shroom Ridge and make it stand out with the cars and stuff though....it's been improved. Graphically it really isn't all that much worse, mostly on the road itself. Not one of the most interesting tracks but it's decent. Sky garden is weird but it did feel like the original track to a degree but it also felt different then the original track in mostly a good way. It was still long enough and the presentation is fine honestly, the colors are bright but they aren't really too saturated. It still feels like the original track in some ways...but it's pretty different in a good way while also in a bit of a bad way. It honestly wasn't a thundercloud of disappointment...but it was kind of weird. Most of the mainline Mario Kart tracks were done well here. They did stuff to change up Shroom Ridge to a degree. Coconut Mall wasn't botched overall and Sky Garden was partly botched but it felt like a pretty good updated track despite some cut shortcuts. Most of the mainline tracks are above mediocre to be honest. Shroom Ridge had some effort and care put into it though. MK8's roster isn't really pathetic...but it's kind of a mess. I disagree with your New Super Mario Bros analogy...since the one on Switch was just a port and not even any real brand new unique content (aside from one powerup) unlike MK8DX's booster course pass.

[@MP_Guz]

the issue is that the tracks are clearly made for tour in both design and layout. they have no business being in 8.

[@a.jdeets5527]

That’s why the whole booster pass is only $25. These new tracks for the game were never going to look the same as the base game simply because it’s not the same people working on them. The MK8 Deluxe tracks were created from scratch and all of the new tracks are just ports.

[@MP_Guz]

@@a.jdeets5527 the price isn't an excuse to release bad quality content

[@masaiaviator2513]

Are you make a video of the rest of the dlc for Mario kart 8 deluxe

[@McFreezyYT]

im glad the dlc tracks are in the online rotation so i can justify not buying the dlc yet

[@PeteytheParrot880]

Mario kart 8 deluxe is Mario kart 9 because with all the content it’s getting and the content it had at launch it has enough new content to be a new Mario kart

[@usingtiltcontrols3695]

I used to think that you were being a little too harsh when I first watched this video, but after seeing that the Tour version of Coconut Mall has moving cars, I want to apologize. It is super apparent to me now that this DLC was super rushed and probably only exists to make the Nintendo Switch Online Expansion Pass have more value. I let my excitement of more tracks cloud my judgement until now. I really hope Nintendo updates these tracks to fix their problems and doesn't let the next waves be as unfinished.

[@FrickinRumbi]

I *genuinely* hope that in the future Nintendo listens to the criticism and either updates the preexisting dlc courses to be as high quality as the tour ones, makes sure the future ones don’t follow the same path as Toad Circuit (rip), or at least fixes the inconsistencies in Coconut Mall, dear god I want them to fix Coconut Mall.

[@NatetheNintendofan]

I think the tracks are good

[@DragonMals]

The first time I saw this channel it was when you created the oversimplified logos channel. I'm surprised this channel isn't at 100k! I extremely like thks channel and I hope that it strives You should also check out The Legendary Starfy Series. I don't know if you do Underrated and hidden gems, but that series doesn't really get talked about

[@Demeech]

Thank you so much! I actually DO have Starfy! I'm excited to play it.

[@theretroreviewer657]

Personally, I liked the tracks. Yes, they are lower quality compared to other the Mario Kart tracks, but for switch standards, they look ok! Not amazing and really good though. Also, who knows? Maybe this is what they were going for: A different kind of art style for these tracks. For what we got, we just cherish what we have and accept that.

[@jwil4286]

I can agree with some of the criticism you have. It doesn't ruin the experience for me though, especially at this price point. I saw a video about how using more cartoony artstyles for some of the textures was not lazy, but a deliberate choice. The music, IMO, is the best part of the pack. I disagree with your criticism on Sky Garden; I can sense that they tried to update the shortcuts (I remember a fair amount of them, and many still exist), plus it looks better than Tour. My assessment of the tracks: Best: any of the Tour tracks Good: Shroom Ridge, Sky Garden Meh: Coconut Mall, Toad Circuit

[@BlastingBigLoads2]

Loving the tour tracks, since when i played neither of them were playable May or may not get the pass

[@anthonystrangio]

Conspiracy: they intentionally made the non Tour tracks worse in order to trick people into playing Tour

[@artemis_h]

im sorry but the tour city tracks are just too easy for me to call them "good," and I think that this is the reason that the DLC seems to be underwhelming for me. other than those two and toad circuit, I think the DLC did a decent job. yes, I want much better from a company like Nintendo, and the tracks certainly feel rushed, but I do think that by wave two or three the tracks may look decent, and if they don't then its clear that they either don't care or are working on something big

[@MiniBlackWaltz]

Half the tracks suck while half are good. Yeah, that sounds promising for the future I swear, its ridiculous how people are defending the laziness and low effort Nintendo is showing in this DLC. But then again, when they have all these white knights and shills who will blindly defend everything they do and buy everything they push out no matter what, its no wonder they don't feel like they have to try anymore I won't be getting this DLC at all unless they step it up and put some actual effort in, both visually and in giving the tracks new life. Because even if the track selections end up being pretty good, I ain't paying $25 for a bunch of lazy, low effort ports from a mobile game

[@cliffturbo2146]

Demeech. Is there a chance you might do a video where you recommend what games to get before the Wii U shop closes? Just a guess.

[@LoganVang1356]

Wait- did they remove the 2 arches at the end of Coconut Mall?

[@Masked_Mastermind]

I don’t know why, but the way Shroom Ridge looks in MK8 DX gives me Super Mario RPG vibes for some reason.

[@luginess0]

Fun to race on, garbage to look at (compared to the rest of MK8)

[@WinterwarOfficial]

Hey Demeech, I have played Mario Party Superstars for 60+ hours, and I feel like the game is incomplete. I think the game deserves DLC or Free updates asap. Five boards is not enough. Do you have any opinion on this game?

[@theghosttm8245]

Love the Tour tracks since it was my first time on them. Paris for the 3rd lap, Tokyo for each lap being unique and Ninja looks cool and has some killer music. Loved the retro tracks since a good amount of them brought memories. Wish they kept the cars moving in Coconut Mall but still had fun on it. If you don’t mind me asking if you were in charge how would you change Toad Circuit up a bit ? I can’t think of anything besides maybe the graphics. Edit m: Only idea I have is making that ramp with the glider go up and down every few seconds.

[@makatrull4359]

I'm pretty sure the Paris and Tokyo gimmicks going to be applied to the other Tour's city tracks (London, New York, etc.)

[@yakovhadash]

congrats on completing puberty, the college degree, and all other life milestones that you will achieve before mario kart 9 comes out (job, marriage, kids, home ownership, kids starting school...)

[@BreezeOfOnett]

what is the outro theme?

[@GumikoVT]

I find it kinda interesting that Nintendo wont release MK9, yet have already released 2 very similar splatoon games with a 3rd coming soon in less time than MK8 has been out.

[@MinisterChicken]

Looking back, my biggest disagreement is Tokyo blur At the time it was fine, but now it’s probably my least favourite track in the whole game There’s basically no off-road or set pieces, it’s just, driving for 2 minutes

[@dabluepipe]

Best: Ninja Hideaway, Paris Promenade, Choco Mountain, Shroom Ridge Originals were bland and the DLC didn't change it: Tokyo Blur, Toad Circuit DLC version is worse than original: Sky Garden, Coconut Mall Despite this, I still find myself playing Sky Garden and Coconut Mall more than the other DLC courses just because the music.

[@Gametoon05]

I never liked Shrooms Ridge, honestly. It's boring for a traffic track.

[@wogardrodriguez9699]

So this means Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze replace a new 2D DK game on Switch? Or that NSMB U Deluxe kill the 2d Mario franchise until the next Nintendo console?

[@SleepDeprivedGinger]

I personally think the reason why the Booster Course Pass “looks bad” is because Nintendo isn’t used to the style of Mario Kart 8. Remember that there are no new tracks in the base game, as far as I’m aware (I’ve only played a bit of Mario Kart 8 on Wii U because I don’t own the game). They’ve been constantly adding content to Mario Kart Tour for almost 3 years and the character models in Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit weren’t too graphically impressive. Nintendo is just getting used to Mario Kart 8 again, so the next 5 waves should look better than Wave 1.

[@AdmiralOctopus]

"There are no new tracks in the base game" Uh, half of the courses in Mario Kart 8 are new, though? I don't really see why that would impact the visual quality of the DLC courses, at any rate.

[@SleepDeprivedGinger]

@@AdmiralOctopus What I meant to say was that Deluxe didn’t have any brand new tracks that weren’t in the Wii U game, it just includes the DLC for free and that’s it. This is the first time since the Mario Kart 8 DLC ended that Mario Kart 8 gets new tracks.

[@maxrn3923]

I think Paris Promenade looks good, yeah. But I also think Tokyo Blur doesn't look as good as you stated. Nowhere near to the quality of the base game. and btw, whats the music at the End of your video?

[@NemMoon]

I get people have their opinion but I can’t get behind the shroom ridge is bland and not updated. It’s one of my favourite added tracks, it looked way better, it had new shortcuts and I don’t actually hate the art style weirdly. Toad circuit I agree sucks.

[@leminlimezjr.2949]

ngl i like the coconut mall glider ramp and shortcut over the parking lot but i am really mad that its ruined with the cars and escalators

[@kmartskateboard]

Kind of weird how there was not a single anti gravity section added. The gameplay doesn’t feel too different, but there were several missed opportunities in these tracks.

[@zextro21butagain72]

The fact that the moving cars are now in the Tour version is just concrete proof that the first wave was rushed. With how much time has passed between the release of wave one and now without any news for wave two (except for the possible Nintendo Direct next week), I hope this is some sign that there is more effort put into future tracks. Though, with all that Nintendo has done between Nintendo Switch Sports & Mario Strikers: Battle League... yeah. It’s best to be cautious going into future tracks.

[@TrentonBlessWrestlemania489]

I’m looking forward to your look at the next DLC set.

[@M3rtyville]

with Pokemon Legends Arceus what bothers me is the game came out too early and they could have worked on the visual and render distances a little more. And you know its rushed because just a month after release they announced another mainline Pokemon game with better visual presentation. Then you wonder why even bother buying the game. Oh yeah, there are also those watered down remakes where about half the game is day 1 dlc because Pokemon Company wanted to safe money and put half the game into a 4 GB cardridge instead of 8 GB. Stuff like this makes me really defensive to get a new gaming hardware. The last new home console I bought was the Wii U and even that disappointed me. The only reason I can look at it foundly is because its still better than what companies do currently

[@NuoKart]

I feel you're being dishonest about Shroom Ridge. It has brand new shortcuts and the ending one is especially fun and interesting. The warp pipes all over the background were also immediately noticeable to me and I think it's the only track where to simple style actually works.

[@huhneat8908]

Nintendo won't make MK9 because they're afraid to stand against the unstoppable juggernaut of Garfield Kart