Ninja Luxe Cafe vs Sage Breville Oracle Jet

[@namrepmek]

Excellent comparison, Tom. You always give us food for thought-the price differential vs outcomes is significant here. Very interesting.

[@TheG4ZoO]

This is one of the best reviews of any product I’ve ever watched! I purchased the Ninja based on your review. Thanks! 👊🏼

[@alligirl3883]

I just ordered the Ninja as a Christmas gift to my husband and me. We’re upgrading from a Keurig so this is a whole new ball game for us and I’m excited to try all the features. Great review!

[@heathersmith8706]

Just got it today for Christmas and you Will LOVE IT!! So worth the price! And all their replacement parts are so affordable!

[@WhatWillYouFind]

Update?

[@heathersmith8706]

@@WhatWillYouFind Still love it! It's even better now that I bought espresso beans from a stand! The Crema is amazing 😍

[@CechMtl-gm9yq]

Can't get a better unbiased review than this. Great job Tom. I'm a sucker for a good bargain so the Ninja it is.

[@RockRebelsCyprus86]

Just got my Ninja Lux after months of waiting (Out of stock). It's incredible! Top notch coffee machine! Thanks for your amazing comparison!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Awesome, glad to hear it!

[@beaatrice7510]

My funnel was chipped as well on arrival, so it looks like a common flaw... however a quick call to Ninja and they sent me a new one within 2 days. It is also available for sale at £5.99 so good to see parts are easily accessible...Ninja should also replace for free throughout the warranty period. I've had the Ninja for a week now and very happy with it!

[@sullydog101]

Same! They replaced it for free under warranty

[@AVKingJamesBible]

I've been using the Ninja Luxe Cafe since it was released and I LOVE IT!!!! And it brews GREAT coffee too!!! Best coffee related purchase I've ever made!

[@escheidl]

I want to thank you Tom for this comparison review. I was just about to pull the trigger on a Oracle Jet and then I saw this review. That made me pause, and I have since watched many other reviews on both products (and others) and have come back to this one. I have decided that I will wait until the Ninja Luxe ES701 comes out and purchase that. I just hope that Ninja includes the hot water jet feature that the European versions have. But as for versatility, the ability to make cold milk foam for your cold coffee drinks, and the ability to fit a travel mug under the porta filter and brew up to 18 oz. of brewed coffee into it, make this a much better fit for me. Ninja's design and development team is truly second to none. I have many Ninja appliances in my kitchen and they all do their jobs extremely well. I expect this to be no different. And for the price, I could buy 4 of the Ninjas to one Oracle Jet. I could use 1 and put the other 3 in the closet to replace as they wear out. But I think instead I'll just buy 1 and wait for it to wear out. Because who knows, the next iteration of this amazing machine at some point may just offer that "automatic marshmallow dispenser" for your hot cocoa that you mentioned in another review. 😋 Thanks for all you do for the coffee community. 🙂👍👌

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thanks for your kind words! Yup, I think they hit a homerun designing this machine, especially for the North American market. Cheers!

[@robertwilliams5618]

Will the 701 come out in the USA?

[@escheidl]

@@robertwilliams5618 I believe it will. Ninja already has a parts page built for the ES701 on their US website. That to me indicates that it's coming here because there is no information there for models sold outside the US.

[@robertwilliams5618]

@@escheidl will it still be $499?

[@michaelpennington5111]

For the price, the Sage should win easily... Must go with the Ninja! Thanks for the comparison!

[@saoirsepaisley274]

Just wanted to point out that the sticker with the coffee recipes comes off cleanly (I reapplied mine inside a nearby cabinet door), and the unit looks nicer with it off. I got the Ninja shortly after it came out, based in part on your early review. Love it so far!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Good idea, I finally removed them this morning, and it was easy!

[@saoirsepaisley274]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner 😛👍

[@ThinhNguyen-in9jm]

The review i been looking for. Thank you!!

[@annap214]

This is the best channel for choosing a coffee machine

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@annap214 That’s so kind, thank you!

[@BlacknWhiteLive]

I love my Ninja, but I think the Sage touch impress is the one to compare to, it is much cheaper than the Oracle and the tamping is much similar to the Ninja. I was on the fence between them than decided to go with the Ninja, the price is simply unbeatable

[@DanWalshTV]

Agreed, the Touch Impress makes more sense to compare to against the Ninja Luxe. I'm guessing he only did the Oracle Jet because it's new and trending currently

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hmm. I find the BTI actually very comparable to the Oracle Jet, minus the puck prep. But anyway, I don't have a BTI to compare the Ninja to anyway. Cheers!

[@markyarte]

My husband just bought me the breville batista exspress, but I was leaning toward the ninja.

[@gailoakley4010]

This was a great comparison Tom. Thank you!

[@andrewcrighton4325]

My wife and I have had the Oracle Jet for about a month (graduation gift for her). She does milk drinks exclusively and is not interested in "the hobby"; and the Oracle has suited us both very well. She can make her lattes without any technical knowledge, and the custom drinks are great. She has a 'work latte' that steams the milk a little hotter so it's ready when she gets to work, and then the normal one so she can drink right away at home (she's very particular about temp). When I want to play I pull out the tamping fan and do what ever puck prep I want, then just pop it back on and it's ready for her again.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

That’s a good idea - thanks for sharing your experience!

[@yousifnabih6663]

thaaaaanks Tons Tom! great comparison

[@xdibblerx]

On the Ninja, if you get the espresso and the milk ready at the same time and hit the brew and the steam buttons it goes right from brew to steam without the wait that you mentioned...it's pretty much instant.

[@bigal1093]

Excellent comparison review. Thanks!

[@nrafaco]

Very good review. I made up my mind. Thanks

[@RayOnTheRun]

Ninja is the clear winner in my house. It does everything, fits under my cabinet, makes top quality drinks, doesnt break the bank AND most important, my wife and daughter can use it. This is their first generation and they nailed it 👏

[@Devon-Decor]

It’s a clear winner in your house because you don’t own a sage. I had both but have just the jet now, you can’t make a better espresso with a 54mm group head compared to that of a 58mm group you just can’t. Although luxe is a great price and sage is a bit too expensive in my eyes it’s still a far greater machine for obvious reasons

[@RayOnTheRun]

@@Devon-Decor the fact that you pointed out a 4mm discrepancy as an advantage is exactly my point. The comparison is like my Tesla Model S Plaid to an Aston Martin DB12 Volante. 400% more in cost for the same car segment but targeted to a tiny consumer base. But I love the discussion and comparisons. Especially since you've tried them both!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

The Oracle Jet is certainly more refined, but I do not think better espresso is made with a 58mm over 54mm. I used to work at a cafe that used Dalle Corte machines with a 54mm portafilter. La Spaziale uses 53mm. I actually prefer smaller PFs, because they are in my opinion easier to work with.

[@Devon-Decor]

For someone who likes weaker coffee then maybe it’s not as big of a deal but for someone who likes stronger coffee then it is a big deal

[@michaelpearce4781]

@@Devon-Decor Sorry but the claim that a 58mm group pulls better shots than a 54 is just false. The Olympia Cremina is a 49mm machine and there's a reason people actively search for them on the used market. If you weren't able to make as good, or better shots with your 54mm compared to your 58mm, maybe that's on you...

[@SJL2506]

Thank you, Tom. Excellent comparison as always! From what I've read, the funnel is a common issue. I am still hoping the Delonghi La Specialista Touch hits the US.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

We shall see! Delonghi is weird...they haven't released the Rivelia in the states yet either.

[@Clawaccio]

You can use the grinder without the funnel on the Ninja (it flashes install funnel but will still grind), however it's SUPER messy and gets everywhere. Somebody online has created a 3D print template so you can get it printed. Hopefully they release a metal version soon.

[@thejose24]

Great comparison. The main reason I'd still go with a sage/breville is because I've had my Breville Barista for over 7 years and is still rockin like a champ. Hopefully Ninja will be as reliable in time as well.

[@trixiepickle8779]

#Luxe Cafe I cannot see any justification for paying 4x the price for the Breville. Excellent review. Thank you.

[@jeet-Seattle]

Thanks Tom for the informative videos.Helping us to choose the right machine for me will be Ninja..

[@andrewcrighton4325]

Great comparison video! Something I've found with our Oracle Jet is that it will make significantly better foam if you go a little beyond the 'max' fill line, much silkier. I'd be interested if you've noticed anything similar in your testing!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thanks for that idea! I tried u out a few times, and it was a little better, but still not really microfoam for me. I wonder if my steam wand isn’t distributing power evenly…

[@andrewcrighton4325]

@TomsCoffeeCorner Thank you for sharing your experience, and testing it yourself! I'll also be the first to admit I'm a novice; this is our first foray into espresso, so it's very possible my socks are blown off from anything beyond heating some milk in the microwave.

[@Windowman666]

Great video Tom very informative 👍

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@Windowman666 Thank you!

[@joeyferekh]

Hi Tom, thanks for this amazing review! Quick question on the Ninja machine : can the steam wand froth/steam milk filled in a seperate milk kettle and not the proprietary milk kettle that comes with the machine and that has the spinny thing on the bottom ? Or does the electronic system on the Ninja not allow the wand to work and spit out steam if not used with the proprietary kettle ? Thanks for your help!

[@heathersmith8706]

Just got this for Christmas and I am so #LuxeCafe!! was a barista for years and it's not much different then the commercial machines I used except less power obviously and the frothier again, less power but it does Heat up the milk perfectly! The burr grind for me is perfect and for residential use, Love the option for different types of milk setting for the frothier. (Dairy and Non Dairy) I also love the Auto purge setting for the Frothier! I'd say best money spent! I'm shocked it was only $500! Well Done Ninja!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@heathersmith8706 Thanks so much for sharing your story, and I’m glad you’re happy with your new machine :-)

[@jnewell817]

Team #LuxCafe for me. Appreciate the comparison Tom 💯🙌

[@hoedjevanpapier]

Yes, I was waiting for this one!

[@jamesritter4813]

I love the ninja lux. We been using it 3 to 4 times a day for the past 2 or 3 weeks. I love it. By another 2 weeks it will pay for itself

[@uwaisbangi2959]

How does the coffee taste?

[@jamesritter4813]

@uwaisbangi2959 for me it took a little getting use too. Dialing it in. However 99% of the time I use it to make lattes with and I love it. I can't compare it to other home brands but I can say, I make drinks at home just as good if not better than dunking or Starbucks.

[@jamesritter4813]

@uwaisbangi2959 I would say if a ll your gonna drink is coffee I wouldn't spend the money on this unit. A French press is 100x better and more convenient.

[@SAba-tm6df]

How do the grinders compare with these machines ?

[@blondythesuperdog8825]

Like the fact you opened it.. would like a video of the insides.. are the pumps and the boilers the same..

[@paulfonseca1389]

With the comparison being close I'd pick ninja base on the price although Beeville has a solid reputation from being around so long and performing very good

[@TheTazman]

My funnel broke on the ninja to within days of using it Currently waiting upon stock of the funnel to replace my one. So I'm using my half broken funnel for now But you can get a 3d printed funnel online if you have a 3d printer especially as ninja never have stock

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@TheTazman When they’re in stock I think I’ll buy 2-3.

[@letslachflash]

Having had both machines i feel like they actually have wildly different target groups. The ninja really is the machine you get and completely forget about. You dont need anyone to have any idea how espresso works to get nice drinkable drinks out of it. Its really the machine to give you better drink quality then a superautomatic without any skills. However you cant really go any further with the machine because of accessory and setup limitations and the machine is clearly not made to tinker with it. Tha hardware feels solid and well balanced to be used in its set limits but doesnt really provide the capabilities to go beyond that. The Oracle jet (and the sage lineup as a whole) on the other hand gives you a very capable machine all around in a smart all in one footprint and some assistance to get you going. You will get to a similar point as the ninja does with the barista guidance but the real fun begins when you start playing with it more. Adjusting the doses, getting new accessories, learning steaming with an easy to use steam wand with temperature sensors etc. With that and the technically much more capable hardware you will be able to further improve the shots and really get to know a lot about espresso making and your preferences if you want to while not losing the ease of use (auto tamping, saving profiles, auto milq) for the rest of the household. Once setup the oracle jet probably is easier and cleaner to operate for the average user but both machines are close. My overall impression: The Ninja is for the type of people that want to set it and forget it. Great first babystep for superautomatic user or people who really just want better coffee without much if any extra work. The Oracle jet is for people who want to play with the machine and its extra capabilities but want a smart all in one package that still delivers ease of use if you dont feel like playing with it or have other people who need to use the machine as well.

[@bigbadboogie6842]

Ninja can also adjust dose, grind size, shot size. So I don't follow what you mean saying you cant go any further. It also has an exact dosing system due to the scale.

[@speedbird737]

I have the sage/breville one touch in black with the colour screen (formerly top of the range) and I'm interested in the Ninja too (as I own most Ninja cooking products!) so I think you're wrong I'm interested in both and how they compare

[@ftrueck]

Well, with an angle grinder you can get an open porta filter anyways. It's more like a hack job compared to buying one but hey, if you really want it... 😀

[@IPendragonI]

I respectfully disagree, the Oracle Jet is the somewhat automatic version of their other machines, if you wanted a good machine for manual mode just get a dual boiler, they pretty much cost the same (with the dual boiler being slightly cheaper actually). The way this machine works and is marketed as is targeted for the same audience as the Ninja Luxe Cafe, newbies or people who do not want much effort to get a drinkable espresso beverage.

[@CrissPons]

You need to purge the milk froster before you put the jar, to release any excess of water until steam starts to come out. (I own the Oracle Touch, same system)

[@terilucero2846]

Tom we just received the Ninja and trying to figure out the best beans to use any suggestions?

[@boroboystu1]

As soon as the ninjas are available I’m going to buy one 😊

[@felicitygoodall8191]

Great video, did you know that if you double tap the milk, coffee or grind buttons that it will complete a purge cycle. very cool and convenient

[@jiwangl434]

Would a separate grinder such as the DF54 or SK40 with the Ninja Luxe produce comparable espresso to the base Oracle Jet?

[@starlawheeler81]

I have the Oracle touch. The trick to steaming milk on auto for art is to tilt the pitcher, use whole milk, steam setting on 1. I'd be interested in trying the Ninja luxe!

[@bcfran3g844]

Oracle Jet is not available local yet. Amazon delivered my Oracle Jet in 2 days. (Canada)

[@RyRyTheBassGuy]

As someone who likes their beans as dark as they can be without oil, the Ninja does a great job. I do wish the inner burr was adjustable like on the Breville units.

[@jose09841]

Tom how do the built in grinders compare?? I have the Touch Impress with the Baratza burrs and as a built in grinder its great but not sure if the Oracle Jet also has the Baratza burrs. Just curious which grinder wins here!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I'll be honest - I really can't tell the difference between these small 38mm conical burr grinders. For me, they're indistinguishable. Even if you compare the burrs from the Ninja and the Express Impress, they look exactly the same. Cheers!

[@patrickelhage4747]

Nice review Tom , i have been in touch with Breville in Australia around the quality of the auto milk Frothing as i used to have the Oracle Touch and the auto throthing was much better Im yet to hear back from their other than its with the product team, howeve the retail store has offered to replace it for a new Oracle Touch which im not keen on since rhe Jet has a better grinder and volumetric extraction Ill keep you posted if i get a resolution

[@rafaelmarchipucci1370]

I loved the Luxe Café from Ninja; however, I replaced my Philips LatteGo with a Breville Touch Impress, and one of the main reasons I haven't chosen Ninja is because I love americanos, and Ninja doesn't speel water (not the model available here in Canada). Thanks for your videos, I learned a lot.

[@dsteele222]

You actually can do Americanos on the US version despite the missing hot water spout. Just empty the portafilter after doing an espresso, switch the drink over to a coffee selection, select the OZ size selector, then run. It takes much longer of course because of the pre-infusion pause it does after about 5-8 seconds of hot water, then continues with more hot water. Not ideal by any means, compared to machines with a dedicated hot water spout, but it can be done.

[@jackd71]

I was interested in the Americano myself but could not find out how many m/l or fl/oz it makes in the impress, do you know by any chance

[@mrap1]

@@dsteele222 could you use this same process to draw water for a cup of tea? I think i saw somewhere that the water has some coffee grinds in it?

[@rafaelmarchipucci1370]

@@mrap1 you will have coffee grounds in your coffee, for sure. Not s good idea for a cup of tea.

[@questionasker6977]

Great comparison. I have the brevile bambino plus and the milk frothing on it is better than this from the jet. Kinda makes me wonder if the unit you got is perhaps defective... But surprised to see that the milk frothing on the Luxe seems great. Luxe's filtering coffee is not very good so it is porbably still a moslty an espresso machine. I assume both machine are dialed. The espresso quality seems good/comparable. Especailly for darker roast. Might be more of difference for medium/light roast.

[@johne7100]

Not really in the market just now, but if I were (and given the money) I'd probably go for the #Oracle for the build and the standard PF. The tall-cup possibility on the Ninja would make me think about it for a while, though - and you can buy a lot of coffee for the difference in price. BTW, re the naked steam wand on the Ninja, the people at a coffee hole I frequent when cycling plunge theirs into a pitcher of water as soon as they finish steaming, then come back and wipe it clean once the drink is served. The wand doesn't cake up and the water cools it immediately.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thanks for the tip with the steam wand, I'll have to try that out!

[@jjmbe]

Nice video, I did notice that you used expresso scales on the Oracle, is this because you find the volumetric repeatability of the Sage to be very poor. Turbine flow meters should be very accurate but I have a new machine and found it to be terrible. The variability of the shot quantity is more than 10% at 95% confidence level. This makes accurate dialling in almost impossible. Would welcome your comments on this, since I think it is a fundamental design problem with the Sage machines.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

The variability of the volumetric flow meters is really poor on ALL machines, not just Sage. They simply don't work well. So far, the best I've seen is on the Ninja, that comes close at least. Cheers!

[@jjmbe]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thanks Tom for your response as a retired engineer I just cannot understand why the volumetric flow is so poor. Cheap plastic turbine flow meters are generally speced to give repeatability of 0.1% of FS which should mean a very accurate output, allowing for some variability in water retention in the coffee puck I would have thought the shot should be within 1 or at the very most 2 grms every time. I have had shots from 50grms and down to 25grms. How can this be considered an automatic coffee machine.

[@kitcraft9516]

Edit: How did I miss it; you already have a video. Watching now! Wait, wait, wait, why are we talking about either of these rather than that scale? I found your short after seeing this video and am amused by the people who don't like it. As someone who has had channeling glitch my touch screen scales more than once this intrigues me, quite a bit. Full video in the future? Anyway, I'd take the Ninja based on value alone. Though I'd rather just flip a switch to start extraction and flip it again to stop it. I am the same way with radios. I like analog and tubes not so much solid state and menus but that is a different story. Regardless, I enjoyed the video as always so thank you for comparing these two.

[@petrarsenjev9079]

Many thanks for a very helpful video. The funnel on Ninja will be solved, that's a small thing. I'm a little worried about the build quality and longevity of both coffee makers. With the same long warranty, I wouldn't be too surprised if the Oracle Jet ends up going even earlier than the Ninja, and that would be really unfortunate. For that premium price, I would expect premium performance (which is lacking in some moments) and at least a 5-year warranty, otherwise it's better to pay 500 EUR for a Ninja or a cheaper Breville/Sage. An extra surcharge of 1500 EUR just for the design is already too much.

[@BonanzaPilot]

Our sink is about 20 steps from where we keep the coffee maker. Direct line water is a must for us. Would love to have something like the oracle jet but direct line is just not something these companies think of

[@Snip59]

Im still waiting for it to arrive in Australia and they are updating the Ninja Luxe yes Tom.

[@nickwestwood3057]

Thanks for the video I have had a Sage coffee machine for sometime now and I am really disappointed with it. I have really looked after it but it has broken down three times now and at a cost of £300.00 each time. The price for what I thought was a superior quality machine is very disappointing. Now it just sits there as I really don’t know what to do with it.

[@goodlife2144]

Moccaster for filter coffee and Ninja Cafe Lux for the rest - for under 800€ you get a perfect set up. So you can spent more money for fresh coffee beans from a good local coffee roastery. ❤️ Note: I think the Oracle is a little bit overrated and overpriced.

[@XGamerJan]

#LuxeCafe Great side by side comparison! Hopefully there will be a restock soon in germany..

[@Snip59]

I think the Luxe for the price and its ease of use for me will they be putting out a updated version on the Luxe Tom

[@kexray]

Thanks for the comparison. It looks like the Ninja Luxe allowed the average joe to make quality espresso and milk based drinks without much experience. I bet Breville will be releasing similar "smart" espresso machines in the future to compete, otherwise they will only appeal to experience coffee nerds, niche market.

[@MichaelMassoni]

Waiting for the Ninja Luxe Cafe to come to Australia, it was rumoured to be some time this year but no sign of any updates yet. :(

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@MichaelMassoni They can’t even keep them in stock I their home market… :(

[@jimsmith2005]

500 or 2000.....not a hard decision for me. Ordered mine from Ninja, they had it in stock. I love that it makes a brewed cup of coffee.

[@TheTazman]

Only issue i can see with the 3d printed funnels is the doseage not being correct I think the weighing in the ninja takes the predetermined weight of the puk and the funnel to work out the beans to grind As I've noticed that since I've been using my broken funnel i am getting so much excess beans ground up Would be great if someone could test this out If ninja have done this based upon the weight of their puck and funnel then that's not good Means you'd have to print out the funnel with the same weight as existing Funnels are cheap though only 6£ when in stock on the ninja site

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@TheTazman That’s a good point, thanks for mentioning it!

[@valerie577]

we have lots of Ninja products and love them

[@sayto_00]

The only way to properly gauge durability is time. Literally waiting to see how many make it past 3-4 years and how easy it is to repair. Personally tempted but durability is an concern. Like this 2:13 oof. Also wouldn't use all of it's features. It's nice to make ice coffee as a party trick or drip coffee if you have a dozen guests over. But ice coffee for me would barely be used and James Hoffmann said that even economically $30 drip coffee tastes better than drip from Ninja. The ninja seems to be a good choice for an office. Gives flexibility to the kind of coffee employees want while being "affordable" for $500. Especially compared to other coffee maker junk the office has bought for $1,000 (those big coffee pad machines). It'd also be the ultimate test of durability lol.

[@LastRide000]

There are 2 versions of the Luxe. The 3in1 with the cold brew option, and the 2in1 without the cold brew option. You save about $100. Tom was reviewing the 2in1.

[@bigleemac]

2 months in on the ninja and no regrets, I use medium roasts and its aways on setting 2 so I think a light roast would struggle in the grinder.

[@vivekjoshi4004]

Tom can you comparison between ninja vs $1000 dollar budget for barista bambino and d64 combo.

[@aleksbroadbent9282]

Hello Tom, could you do a review on Delonghi La specialista Maestro cold brew and compare with oracle jet as they are very similar. Thank you so much

[@robertwilliams5618]

I have not watched the full video yet but doesn't the ninja use dual baskets while the breville uses single wall?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Nope, single wall non-pressurized.

[@robertwilliams5618]

@TomsCoffeeCorner that's incredible

[@bigbadboogie6842]

Where is the water tank located? Im used to having it on the side on my old Philips silenzio which makes it easy to fill. Some put it on the back making it a hassle pulling out machine every time you refill especially if it does not pull up. And if it pulls up and you have it under cabinets sometimes height is an issue

[@caffeinefix2751]

for the breville at the back but it also has a fill port around the front on top

[@hat7494]

Is there a way to get hot water out of the lux?

[@bryanzerafa5437]

my only complaint about the Luxe is it does not do Americano - no hot water option - other than that i love it

[@ElGuerreroMaya]

I can't wait for Nina's second generation of machines, they still need to polish some things, and maybe rebalance budgets in favor of an even better grinder instead of that quad shot

[@Snip59]

Will Ninja fix the problem with the Funnel or update it to a better quality one.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Idk, 🤷‍♂️ I hope so.

[@emmaoneill579]

They have for the European market so assume will other places few photos of the new one where it looks like a toughened clear plastic

[@Snip59]

Cheers love the clips cheers

[@VincentQuaid101]

Where is the Ninja to buy in Germany? Sold out?

[@QueenInnerG]

I’m team #NinjaLuxe, but this is also my first espresso machine 😂 It was the price & the ease of use! When I have company, I can look like a seasoned barista when I make them an espresso martini or latte without all the guesswork! Sidenote, there’s workarounds for the americano, manual steaming, & even the barista assistance (if you had the audacity to turn it off lol)!

[@caszsmom]

@QueenInneeG I am on the fence between the Lux or a Breville Pro. I want to make Americanos. What is the work around? Is there a hit water nozzle?

[@kevinranders]

I had the ninja for a week or so but could not stand the coffee it produced (just me likely). Bought the oracle jet after and it has been amazing and consistent.

[@PastorJury]

#Luxecafe would be my choice of the two machines. At that price, you can buy a lot more of your favorite coffee with the savings. As far as build quality, I've had good experiences with Ninja products in the past, and I'm sure this would be a similar experience.

[@knka5172]

I’m a beginner and have always been drinking instant coffee made with a microwave and milk. I was considering purchasing an expensive Sage machine during Black Friday because of its powerful milk frothing capabilities and ability to froth plant-based milk. Then I came across your video, and now the Ninja machine is already in my home. Thank you for your video-it saved my wallet! Meanwhile, I’m wondering how I should operate if I need caffeinated coffee for breakfast and decaf coffee for lunch.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

You could buy some decaf pre-ground coffee and put it in there: amzn.to/3ZgNXmU (affiliate link)

[@JackInDaBoxx]

As a prior Sage owner of 2 x Sage machines I would steer clear. They dont last and just break

[@Wurmfist]

I went to see how easy it was to get a replacement funnel for the Ninja, and their website has it for 6 USD but guess what, it's out of stock. (shocker).

[@Tothefloor]

Tom, why do you always pack your two shots twice when the manual says to do it only once and to do a quad shot twice? You have not addressed that.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Howdy! Actually, in the manual it says to tamp once with the funnel on, then remove the funnel and tamp again. At least that's what I recall. Cheers!

[@Tothefloor]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Tom are you in the USA? I can't find that info in the US instructions. Maybe it's conflicting across countries or even itself in different printed areas. Thanks for the reply.

[@nightsurf03]

Waiting for the Pro version with integrated tamper

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@nightsurf03 Me too. But I think we’re in for a wait…

[@mikepapafoxtrot]

I would go for the ninja, but honestly the cheaper price is worth nothing if the funnel gets dropped and breaks. I really don't understand why they didn't do that in stainless steel. Otherwise, I would buy the ninja, but I'm now considering less expensive Breville machines that I think will last.

[@GauravRajasekar]

The inconsistent milk auto steaming on the Oracle Jet is really pushing me to spend much less on a Ninja Luxe instead. I'm just waiting to see if they ever release that 701 / Pro model with the built in tamper in the US (I know, it isn't even released in Europe).

[@Lara4584]

Have you checked out the touch impress. The milk function is really nice on it

[@GauravRajasekar]

That's where I began my search. ​@@Lara4584But it doesn't inspire me with confidence that the touch impress is also supposed to be an auto "Milq" system like this.

[@Torahobservantisrael]

Thank you for all the research and extensive videos you have made me a massive fan of your stuff @Tomscoffeecorner.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@Torahobservantisrael Thanks so much!

[@christianwhite8411]

#LuxeCafe. Any idea when. The 501 or 701 are due for release in the UK?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I don't know, but I bet it's going to be a bit yet.

[@coreycannon4511]

Tom, I wonder if you have got an Oracle with a bum steam system… …it seems odd that automatic steaming would be less good on this Oracle than Breville’s other cheaper and/or older machines. Something as simple as not perfectly shaped hole(s) in the wand’s tip, to who knows. Something that doesn’t affect manual steaming. A minor problem with the holes, for example, could affect the “aim” of the steam jets in automatic mode, preventing the vortex from forming and properly breaking down the large bubbles. Not seeing a vortex while manually steaming, you would probably automatically adjust your angle to get it, without even being conscious of it.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@coreycannon4511 I don’t know. It works great for manual mode. I think that the steam wand just sits too deep in the pitcher for auto steaming.

[@prinzatago]

I'm surprised Oracle Jet's automatic steaming did a worse job than the Ninja, given that it's an improved design from the previous Oracle (and even the Touch Impress that you praised a lot before).

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

It's simply a much different design than the previous Oracle, as this one now has 1 thermojet for heating water and steam. The older models had 2 boilers. I don't know...the auto steaming worked better for some other testers, but not for me.

[@VistasdelMar2008]

I would say that on point 1 you are talking about Availability, not accessibility. Accessibility would be more like how the user is able to get in and around the various parts, the insides, cleaning between things. Thanks for the review!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Availability would have been the word, you’re right.

[@ronnyskaar3737]

Can't get the Ninja here in Norway. But now I have decided to not go for these machines. I'd rather go for a simpler, more basic machine, a separate grinder, and learn to do things manually. Saves a lot of money and is much more fun.

[@VistasdelMar2008]

I use the Delonghi Dedica for that reason. For the price you can buy the machine, all the addition barista elements, bottomless portafilter, leveling, wdt, a silicone place mat, and portafilter top screen, and hand grinder for half the price of the Ninja. On rush days you can go with the standard portafilter, but you can produce a much better shot going barista style.

[@ronnyskaar3737]

@VistasdelMar2008 Exactly what I was thinking. I just ordered the 885, an Opus and a bottomlessportafilter. Hope you are happy with it. Where did you get other acessories?

[@VistasdelMar2008]

@@ronnyskaar3737 I bought everything through Amazon, but paid attention to a lot of YT videos to determine which ones to buy. Not all puck screens are alike, for example. For the Delonghi I settled on a fantastic one - The Notsek, rather than the cheaper and useless Neouza.

[@ronnyskaar3737]

@VistasdelMar2008 Thanks. Good advice. Happy brewing.

[@letslachflash]

"It saves a lot of money" is probably what many espresso nerds thought when they first went manual lol Was between going manual and the oracle jet and luckily got a crazy offer for the jet (950€). Started looking at manuals with a bambino and a smart grinder and before the jet was already close to buy the lelit mara x and a eureka libra

[@bogdanbumbac7160]

I'm going for the Ninja

[@David-uc4db]

#OracleJet the auto puck prep i´m missing especially in a busy morning...

[@Bigbrother-r2o]

My only issue with the lux machine that I can’t make the milk and coffee at the same time. It’s bit time consuming

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

True, but you can't do both on the Oracle Jet either. Cheers!

[@1101naomi]

For the price, I’d take the ninja and buy an extra doser. It’s a fun machine to play with and not a huge loss if it kicks the bucket in a couple of years. Whereas the loss of 2k would really upset me.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@1101naomi An extra bean hopper would honestly be nice for both models. 👍🏻

[@1997AlexB]

Has anyone tried the Breville VCF125 Mini Barista? Any opinions on it. I've looked for some videos on it but found nothing.

[@fourteenfour1]

If I were in the market for a machine similar to either I could forgive a lot in the Ninja for that price difference, a whole lot

[@MYung023]

#luxeCafe however, I had 2 replacement units already since the grinder failed... or became lose

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@MYung023 Oh crap! Glad that hasn’t happened to me!

[@TheGalifrey]

The Ninja is almost a no-brainer in terms of performance/value ratio but the durability of Ninja appliances concerns me. My Sage is nearly 3 years old and is in as good condition as when I bought it. (only a Barista Express model which I paid £499 for). Mind you, as you can get 4 Ninja's for the price of the Sage....

[@danacandersen]

Both the Jet and Touch Impress use the same MilQ technology. Why would the Jet perform worse in terms of steam/ micro foam?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@danacandersen The Touch Impress didn’t make microfoam for me either. I can’t remember if it was better than the Jet but I don’t think so.

[@danacandersen]

Thank you! For some reason you seem much less critical of auto frothing of touch impress in this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/hp7Xg4eJgLaFj5Ysi=Z4N2HO6TeO-vNIlc Perhaps the benchmark for comparison was different in the older video. Thanks for these reviews, very helpful

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@ Yes, if you check that video, you see that the milk actually churns pretty well. But if I remember right, I still didn’t get microfoam every time, but maybe it did a little better then on the Oracle Jet for me. I can’t compare them right now, because I gave the Touch Impress back.