Painting Like the Warhammer Box Art is a LIE

[@dirtmcgirt6531]

The gw box art is like the picture on a frozen dinner. No one is expecting the same result but a rough understanding of the content is still comforting

[@jeanbarque9918]

With the exception of that if you use the technics and paints that we want we can achieve a WAAAAAAAAY better result, but I agree that a beginner following the steps and using the paints needed for this result it may never obtain it, I'm sure there is almost always a little more, like a secret receipe.. the secret ingredient.. 😉👍

[@DicloniuS1291]

@@jeanbarque9918 the secret ingrediant is photoshop for sure

[@МаксКузьма-э1р]

Respect! All tattoo artists use photoshop, so why gw can't?

[@NorthernDragon100]

@@МаксКузьма-э1р Considering they gave help for photographing minis in a White Dwarf in the past, yeah they almost certainly do xD

[@noneyourbusiness341]

@@DicloniuS1291 nah, usually all the glazes and mixing of paints rather than using them as they come in the pot. usually some other paint not listed thrown in there

[@alvinmarcus5780]

I'm just painting my very first mini at the sweet age of 66 years. I'll never be the painter you are because you do amazing work but hopefully I can get till it's not terrible. I'm trying and thanks for the videos to help me learn. Got a long way to go so..... 👍😀

[@DaveFallows]

How's it going?

[@24fretsoffury]

As long as you’re happy with the job you did, that’s all that matters. Even if it’s not exactly how you wanted, you can always return and touch up the areas you are not content with. I would suggest doing another before returning to touch up the first, that way you have a little more experience painting. The biggest thing I’ve learned is to use wash/shade over base color paints, they really add the shading that a less experienced painter like myself cannot get to otherwise.

[@Balls26672]

How is it going so far?

[@MrRebound68]

Good on you - starting with 56 here ... loads of fun ahead.

[@tabletoppdx]

Keep going! after 4 years and now in my 40's it is tough but you'll get so good so fast. Keep it up!

[@Vin_Venture896]

Just thought I’d mention for people who aren’t aware. The colours on the back of the boxes are actually created by the Warhammer ‘Army Painter’ team, rather than the ‘Eavy Metal’ team who are the ones who actually painted the box art miniatures. The Army Painter team’s job is to paint massive swathes of miniatures, often to fill backgrounds of photography or dioramas in Warhammer World. This means they’re painted to a somewhat lower quality than the box art. They will often take Eavy Metal recipes and simplify them in a way so 1) They can finish their own armies quicker, and 2) so achieving the box art aesthetic appears achievable to the end consumer. This is why the box art seems inauthentic sometimes. P.S - If you search their recipe for making Poxwalkers you’ll find a pretty good scheme for pinkish nurglings 😉

[@bettsdn]

Fascinating. Still a bit disingenuous (maybe they should have that pic on the inside lol) but it's interesting at least to know why.

[@dallan7736]

Or, here's a concept... Why the hell not have BOTH? Have a basic scheme, and the professional one. I guess that saves them having to print an extra piece of paper.

[@dallan7736]

Also, if that's the case, then not only is this video one hundred percent on point (which, obviously it is) and the box is a lie, but why would they have some sort of coordination between these departments? Are they on different sides of the Imperium with no Astropaths to projrct their messages for them? Seriously. The hell.

[@Vin_Venture896]

@@dallan7736 the departments do coordinate, the Army Painter team consults the Eavy Metal team for their recipes and then deliberately simplifies them down. This is because each ‘character’ sized model (so anything on a 32mm base or 40mm base that’s human sized) takes the Eavy Metal team around 5 days to complete (or in the case of rank and file Primaris Space Marines, they’re expected to complete two in five days as they’re extremely used to panting space marines.) This length of time wouldn’t be practical for the Army Painter team, so they simplify it down and then list that colour scheme on the box art. Often, the alternate colour schemes on the back of the box are painted by the Army Painter team. At the end of the day it’s just their way of trying to make the hobby appear more approachable to new people. If you want the proper recipes, you can look online on the Eavy Metal Team’S personal instagrams, they’re often happy to answer if they get the time.

[@michaelcaricoo]

@@Vin_Venture896 Not to mention that if you were to actually list all of the paints (and probably more applicably the mixtures) that the Eavy Metal team uses, there wouldn't be any room on the box for pictures of the actual miniatures. Going off of what you said though, I have a strong feeling that marketing is a huge part of it. If you were to list the entirety of the process, including glazing, blending, all 3-4 edge highlights and whatever else that the Heavy Metal team uses (or for example, the tutorials Darren Latham made on his channel) then I would reckon a lot of folks would be discouraged right off the bat from attempting it, or just from buying the models because they don't think they can live up to that standard. Whereas, if you just list 2-3 paints per section, more people might give it a try

[@MethosChannel]

Got a friend who worked for GW, Army Painter team paints the minis super good but GW still photoshops them to give it that extra finish.

[@Fractal227]

wow, that is cheating.

[@the_real_inquisitor]

It's a open secret. Nobody doubts they're using Photoshop. 🤣

[@aesh78]

If you’re shocked about that in 2024, or 2021, i dont know what to tell you.

[@ArdalanKian]

@@aesh78 It's not even something actually worthy of criticism. This is standard practice in any industry and GW deserves shit for a myriad of their other business practices. Just look at mcdonalds and how the depiction of melted cheese in an advertisement is just glue.

[@shadowblack1987]

They do not Photoshop FYI.

[@bluedotdinosaur]

To Duncan's credit, when he was at GW he always made his guides achievable by the average person with a modest amount of practice. At a glance his results looked very similar to box art because he was using a variation of the recipes combined with some clever tricks to approximate the tonal range of the master class paint schemes. If you looked closer though, you could see he generally didn't use techniques that were much like the 'Eavy Metal painters. Or even the bulk army painters. That said, it's really interesting to see the technique of glazes and washes being moved to near the end of the process, spreading quickly. It's a distinct trend. I think the Artis Opus guys helped push too. (They tend to use glazes to bring together dry brushing at the end.) I suspect a reason it's taken a while for people to discover this is due to the general way GW demonstrated the use of washes for so many years. A wash over a big, flat shaded section of color tends to leave an inconsistent and dirty patina over broad surfaces where you don't want it. The GW (and Duncan Rhodes) method for dealing with this was to layer paint back over the flat areas to clean up the undesired dirtiness. But a glaze, or even a heavy wash, over a shaded area blends in way better and doesn't look "dirty". If anything it just adds an extra layer of color texture that creates a sense of richness.

[@medugal]

Yeah Duncan did a great job with the tools he was given, I think he deserves a lot of credit with keeping GW customers in the hobby

[@MichaelRivera-le3ye]

I've been watching tutorials on the Warhammer channel and I feel like the 2 other painters they have also do a good job at making their tutorials accessible. It seems like they do for just the textbook recipe which kind of sucks but they still make it simple.

[@patricksetzekorn1311]

i learned fast, that i apply the shades and glazes near the end of a modell, since its easyer to fix mistakes bevore that step.. but i learnd that the hard way back in 4th edition

[@alexbrown1930]

I feel one of the greatest hindrances for new players is that they ca't get close to the box art immediately. I have always told new players "The guys who do these paint miniatures for hundreds of hours a year for 5, 10, 20 years..you just started. Give it time." But, that GW kind of omits steps? Not gonna lie: that feels a bit like sabotaging the new players confidence in their painting.

[@juble7086]

The eavy metal teams don't use washes, they use glazes for the shadows as well as the highlights. They also go very very bright on the highlgihts and very very dark on the shadows to accentuate the contrast. Even then, the image is altered in post to give even more contrast and saturation. The models themselves won't pop like that in reality (obviously they still look ridiculously good).

[@democrack113]

absolute legends!

[@marmadukesandwich]

Can confirm from a trip to Warhammer World to look at all the box art minis, that although the paint jobs are a very high standard, a lot of the finished look is in the photography. For example in the real models you can see some transitions between glazes, where there might be a slightly more reflective finish in one of the layers - these are completely invisible in photographs .

[@Wolfgar-jx5kl]

Like I said in my post as well I would love to see a video made by someone who actually worked on there team maybe in the past . I’ve never came across a single video of anyone claiming to have been a Eavy metal team member past or present . I guess there a lot of liability involved I’m sure . Its uncanny how I’ve seen so many great painters try and duplicate there style and come so very very close but it’s never quite the same .I have to admit there is something unique to how there models look.

[@juble7086]

@@Wolfgar-jx5kl They all have Instagram accounts, it's useful to follow em. I've pmed em a few times for reciprs and methods and they've always been happy to oblige.

[@Wolfgar-jx5kl]

@@juble7086 hey thanks for the info .

[@Zumikito]

Really like the last point - giving extra obstacles that prevent us from picking up the brush is not necessary. SImplification is king to get shit done, improvement comes with practice and experimentation. Love the video, love the result! 🙌

[@Cloo41]

My wife's comment this morning, "Your painting guys' videos are so weird".... Never stop being weird, Jon.

[@locolorenz]

My wife thinks I'm autistic

[@aaronbono4688]

"This is the opposite of speed painting" - Truer words have never been said.

[@MassakerHuhn]

Gotta say, you are one of the few KZbinrs, that actually give concrete advice. I mostly hear advice that is either vague or just for beginners. Keep up the good work, you're doing a great job!

[@alexbrown1930]

I think there is a major problem with many Mini Painting KZbinrs in that they assume knowledge. Anyone who goes over the basics of what they are doing, without talking down to the viewer, is very welcome.

[@p_serdiuk]

@@alexbrown1930 It's why teaching in general is hard. Especially if painting is your day job as well.

[@p_serdiuk]

I think Darren Latham, Trovarion, and Marco Frisoni do this the best, their beginner-friendly videos are excellent.

[@trovarion]

@@p_serdiuk thanks, bud!

[@Lino9026]

This guy looks like Matt Damon and Tom Hanks had a kid. Great talent too.

[@npc6817]

"It's not Agrax, it's _ae-g-ruhx"_ -Hermione Granger probably

[@BullScrapPracEff]

No statement about A bad un? Lol

[@Ninjon]

Levio-SAAAAaaaaaaa

[@wildwoody8324]

@@Ninjon Stahp it Ron

[@jherazob]

STAAAAHP!

[@cyberrabbit3921]

Y do you hate on gw so much

[@666lupine666]

Ninjon is a *great* mini-figure painter. He also has a real knack for explaining techniques/pitfalls in a way that makes everything 'click'.

[@Miscast]

This video was sick! I learned so much

[@Mad.player]

Was the pun intended?

[@harrymanback3475]

Well laughter is infectious! 😉👍

[@alicepersson9568]

man i love the mini sculting/crafting/making community, it shouldnt be possible but everyone is friends??

[@Ninjon]

Oh Trent, you cheeky nurgling!

[@Aconspiracyofravens1]

​@@Ninjon btw, I just bought my first gw paints cause I was in the shop and needed some new metalics rip

[@MrGlobbits]

Anyone remember that scene in Falling Down where Douglas goes into the burger joint and the burger he gets is the flattest thing you've ever seen, yet he looks up at the pictures on the wall showing their burgers and they are the plumpest, juiciest, most appetising burgers ever. That's what this reminds me of.

[@evolutionpersonaltraining]

I understand glazing now more than I did from watching three other "how to glaze" vids. Thanks!

[@brandongiles6875]

Agreed, I think the way he films his videos allows a better idea of what he's doing than some of the other vids I've watched where people are attempting to teach it. Watching Jon's videos have given me a better look at wet blending and glazing than I have seen elsewhere.

[@aaronbono4688]

Yes, it does make a lot of sense here and only have a few seconds describing and showing it.

[@Jrez]

I'm fine with them giving simple steps as long as they're honest, that it's simpler than what is done on the box art and is for beginners/fast painting. I feel they leave it a bit too vague.

[@nicholassinnett2958]

The box guides are usually just a rough approximation of the actual 'Eavy Metal scheme, and this is probably one of the more accurate ones, since it gets the main paints right. Going by the Warhammer Instagram, the actual armour recipe is: 1. Base Death Guard Green 2. Shade with 1:1 Athonian Camoshade/Lahmian Medium 3. Deep line shade with 1:1 Caliban Green and Rhinox Hide 4. Edge highlight Ogryn Camo 5. Highlight Krieg Khaki 6. Highlight 1:1 Krieg Khaki/White Scar 7. Highlight White Scar

[@blastarrow5938]

Can confirm, was given this same recipe by a Eavy Metal painter on Twitter way back when Dark Imperium first came out. Except switch the Lahmian medium out for water and the ratio of the line shade was 2 parts Caliban, 1 part Rhinox. And they don't use White Scar they use either old White Skull or Vallejo White they just can't say that on official WH channels.

[@gaz-atolla7519]

I’ve always thought that the Eavy Metal paint scheme for Death Guard to be too clean and bright... an issue I have with many of their paint schemes My personal method starts with Death World Forest, working my way to pure Death Guard Green with various mixes (3pt/1pt, 2pt/1pt, 50/50, 1pt/2pt, 1pt/3pt) then doing the same again from Death Guard Green to Nurgling Green After that wash with Agrax Earthshade to really dirty the colours and pick out the sharpest edges with Nurgling Green again For the trim I base in Leadbelcher, slap on some Typhus Corrosion to add texture before drybrushing with Ryza Rust and washing with Agrax to darken the orange

[@adamswarbrick8791]

I've never played warhammer but I love how you guys manage to cram so much detail into these tiny models, it's super impressive to me. I love seeing people get creative and talk about all the cool techniques used to really make their models come to life. Great stuff, excellent explanation, loved the video.

[@ethanbarrettdebattista5124]

These intros just keep getting better and better. DAMN BOI. Keep up the killer content!

[@Cloudwalker414]

I just started playing a few weeks back. I’m in it mostly for the painting, but I’ve discovered that people in this community are very genuine and nice. Thanks for the video you seem like a rad dude!

[@cyagen9782]

Now you need to get Duncan on the phone and ask him : "Why have you been lying to us Duncan? Say it aint so Duncan...." Very very informative video. Thank you

[@Ninjon]

He always sends me to voicemail

[@commandermcnash5137]

Well, I just checked the box and it says "suggested scheme" also, if you see Duncan doesn't show the pic in the box. Anyway, I think as hobbists most of us know what you see in the box is a job done by professional artists with decades of experience who are being paid to achieve such quality, even youtubers actually warn people not to try to replicate what you get at the box, GW themselves coined the battleready term to save people from going mad from trying to paint their minis at 'eavy metal team level from day one, those pics are ideals to aspire, not for the "you must do it this way or you are wrong" mentality.

[@Tortenkopf]

The Death Guard recipe presented by Duncan in his Mortarion Video actually works really well and uses slightly different colours than those on the box. And with a little extra polish and care (kinda like John does in this video) it can be gotten as close to the box art as a hobbyist might hope to get. Probably because I have been using it extensively as a basis for my own Death Guard scheme, I think it is one of his best tutorials. So Duncan didn't lie. But the box does, at least a little bit.

[@NeonKnight83]

“14 extremely thin coats” doesn’t sound as good or memorable as “2 thin coats”.

[@MrPolicekarim]

@@NeonKnight83 ROTFL!

[@davidlowton9359]

Incredibly informative and excellently produced tutorial. The timing couldn’t have been anymore perfect as I’m feeling down that I can’t produce the same results for my stardrake as the box art. It’s almost like I’m setting myself up to fail trying to aim for that. Thanks for putting my mind at ease.

[@ClassicTophatGaming]

2:50 "So that was a fucking lie"

[@MuseChick]

Awesome video. I've 100% said out loud "you liars, you fuggin liars!" When looking at the recommended colours vs what's on the box art 😂

[@alistairbolden6340]

The problem is not the coulors this guy is just quite bad at painting. For excape he is using an air brush. Also he is not dry Brushing properly layering or highlighting correctly. The box art is only a pretty basic starting place and many people I know can paint far better than on the box covers, If you are using the paints listed then it required an amount of blending and mixing as you would normally take the base green and then mix white with it for highlight layers and water it down and mix black with it as an Ink. For example when it says - Paint silver for a gun or sword or chainmail what it means is paint it black first and then dry brush silver and then apply a water+ black paint wash to tone down the silver shine, do not do what this guy did and paint it green then go over that green in a heavy coat of silver. No wounder his modle looks terribe he badly needs some painting lessons.

[@berthulf]

@@alistairbolden6340 What are you even on? "No wounder his modle looks terribe he badly needs some painting lessons." SMH. I don't even know where to start.

[@alistairbolden6340]

@@DavyBrando If he simply sat at the painting tables in a GW store for a few hours his painting would improve ten fold.

[@alistairbolden6340]

@@DavyBrando Sorry but just to stress He sprayed the model green! and then attempted tp paint with block silver over it, and he somehow expected it to look the same as if it had been painted black and dry brushed silver.... He is just a very poor painter hopefully he gets some help improving.

[@Evil_Insidez]

@@alistairbolden6340 bro before you start how people suck, check your spelling cause that’s what sucks. Also if you’ve ever looked at the back of any games workshop box it tells you exactly what colors to use, hence the reason he’s using green. It would appear you haven’t ever painted a warhammer model. The guide that comes in the kit tells you what paints base , layer, and highlight with. I’ve built and painted 4 1000pt armies. Your a twit and I’m the queen of England if your worked for gw.

[@minibob9252]

Seeing this reminds me that I effing always overload my brushes too much.

[@heygek2769]

have to remember, you're not painting a wall ;)

[@johnfarscape]

It's not just the painting skills, it's the professional photography and photoshop team that makes a huge difference, I have seen some of the box art miniatures I the flesh and they look quite different, I noticed the colours have been changed with filters, some of them even the blending and shadows have been smoothed with post processing. . Yeah its like buying a microwave meal, don't feel like you failed as you couldn't make it look like the picture on the box, they couldn't either 😅

[@casedistorted]

Bullshots for food, games, and miniatures now.

[@mwnciboo]

MACRO - Lens as well.

[@Quikie93]

"Be sure to use 2 thin coats" With.. Death guard green? Try 58 thin coats and still see-through.

[@Ninjon]

TRUTH

[@rogeroverstreet3919]

GW Death Guard Green in a pot is a factory of sadness :(

[@Winterydee]

This is why we use a Zenithal Highlighted under shading! Two thin coats with a highly translucent paint on that will be worlds better looking than almost any other mono color base/primer layer.(some exceptions many apply)

[@Quikie93]

@@Winterydee For army painting, I prefer to just buy the DG spraypaint - much faster.

[@edoardoluppi6455]

*Laughs in airbrush basecoat, wash and death guard green drybrush*

[@half-assedcraftswithbigmik4301]

1:18 action figure customizer here. Lots (or maybe most) of us apply washes near the end. It is interesting to see mini painters do it well before that.

[@squirtleninja]

Thank you, Jon, for making me feel better about the $100 I just spent on Pro-Acryl paints on impulse.

[@jonh8597]

i don't play warhammer, i don't collect models, i don't paint anything, this is entirely out of my scope of hobbies. but DAMN dude. i enjoy your videos so much. they're just so entertaining. love the infotainment style, attention to detail and ease of access. keep it up man.

[@tx7140]

I realized this when I edge-highlighted my space wolves with Fenrisian Gray over Russ Gray -- They most certainly used Ulthuan Gray to edge-highlight the box art Space Wolves. You literally can't get enough contrast any other way imo

[@mikev8746]

Which box art are you referring to? I managed just fine with Space Wolves Grey. It looks 1 for 1 imo.

[@cinektheorc]

this video is really well explained and inspired me to try glazing technique. recently I hit really weird plateau where my minis look good enough and found myself resting on my laurels without motivation to try new techniques...

[@voidwraithprime8521]

You really needed to do one more long, screaming "NOOOOOOOO" before you're normal show intro. :)

[@necaacen]

love the video! for uncoordinated chimps like me with 5 thumbs on each hand the way ive found works best for me is to edge highlight with the extreme highlight straight on the washed basecoat first, that way i can put on the chunky edges badly. then i get my slighty darker highlight im supposed to glaze and i can tidy up my chunky edges with that, maybe feather them out a little in parts, and paint the large areas with that like a layer. THEN i glaze that out with the dark base coat to fade it out back down to the base colour. it means rather than the paint job getting finer and finer (and harder to get right) as you get up towards the highest highlight you start there instead, can make a mess and then tidy it up as you get less and less fine moving back down to the darkest tones. thats gonna be of no help to someone like ninjon but if ur struggling, failing and have given up trying to do what hes doing maybe worth a shot doing it in reverse.

[@MINEISALWAYSBIGGER]

This was a really interesting take one the whole “replicate the box art”. I think it is also extremely helpful, and well executed. I hope you revisit this topic for some other WH40 k figures. I love your videos!

[@Cloo41]

After watching the latest episode of TUP, I started thinking about this video and how vital it is to new painters / beginners. I am struggling with the "painting like the box art" part of my journey and this helps SO MUCH in tempering my expectations and my growth as a painter. Overall, such an amazing video with so much value.

[@Anecron1]

It's not the answer we want, but the answer we need! You're a true hero Jon, thx! BTW, how long did that model take to paint?

[@tinaprice4948]

Ya it would be great to know how much time it takes to paint the model :D

[@Ninjon]

About 10 hours total. Much longer than I would have liked 😂

[@Anecron1]

@@Ninjon 10 hours?! Looks like you did it in 45 minutes in the video. Perhaps the biggest lie from the boxart is that it makes you think you can paint an army like that before you die of old age?

[@Paul-eb2cl]

Just getting back into miniature painting after a long, long, time away from it. Soooo much has changed there a way more paints and models now. I've been binging these videos like a painting boot camp, they are exactly what I needed. Not only are they getting me back up to speed on all cool new stuff, they are also motivating me to really get back into this awesome hobby. - THank you for the time and effort you put into making them - 🙏

[@Terrainosaur]

Those are the finest edge highlights I've ever seen.

[@osirisianplays8089]

thank you for this video. i have tried to follow instructions on boxes and been so confused when it doesn't come out at all like the art on the box. thank you for explaining how to get the look that you want

[@pablobro5944]

3:03 Me, nervously looking at my 2000 point Adeptus custodes army painted with games workshop metallics

[@Bluecadet1987]

You are quickly becoming my favourite mini painting channel. You keep finding subjects that haven't been covered and making the videos both interesting and funny. Keep doing what you're doing!

[@royaltyfree9607]

This is how I felt when I first started painting Rubric Marines. It looks like you only need 4 colors right? Wrong. You need 2 colors for the eyes, two different types of blue, two different types of yellow, gold, silver, green, two different shades, a color for your base, not to mention all the highlights if you decided to do them.

[@MrFliffi]

how did you create that glaze? did you just water the paint down or is there some sort of medium for it?

[@Ninjon]

I thin it down with a combo of water and Flow Aid. You want it about the consistency of skim milk.

[@jiraiYT]

This was amazing, the detail on the skulls was eye popping. Great work

[@f1sk8mm]

Great video. I don’t even paint but have been admiring the hobby from a far. I just ordered a blood bowl set which will be my first set of minis. Nearing age 40 and for some reason its a little intimidating-especially starting the paint collection-but I’m looking forward to it. These videos help, thanks again!

[@randyzap6948]

I was wondering when we'd see those heroes that were sitting on the table last TUP

[@WickedCrispy]

More layers is just a scam by Big Paint to get you to buy more paint.

[@emilydowd-arrow3751]

This was clever-I learned a lot. Thank you!

[@TheJhfkgf]

What kind of brush is being used at 5:57?

[@rotwang2000]

We had a con years ago and two guys from GW came over with some painted minis, talking early 90's level of detail. And they brought a few sets with the box art and the actual painted minis with them. I can tell you that back then the difference between what it looked on the box and seeing them in real life was a world of difference. It wasn't that crazy different from how I did mine at the time. They were quite aware that the figures would be photographed in controlled conditions with very strong lighting that would emphasize the contrast.

[@Adam.Hughes]

I love the humility you display. It's too easy to just blast a company for not doing something exactly as described.

[@alexyorkshots]

I've had a dogsshit of a day. This is the perfect thing to watch on the way home. Cheers Jon

[@uzikus]

At 5:25 they aren't actually telling us to layer it over I think, those are just names of the paint "types" (Edge paints were incorporated back into the Layer paints recently).

[@SWolffang]

That is ABSOLUTELY what they are implying and to suggest otherwise is just choosing to ignore the simple facts that are right in front of you.

[@BoganGaming]

I've painted 2 different iterations of death guard armies, the latest one using a loose GW scheme. So glad I don't glaze. As amazing as it looks I'd still be on my first one. Really appreciated the video and helped me understand why I was never able to paint my Hero quest miniatures the same as the box art 30 years ago...

[@Jpipooly]

Really appreciate the ending sentiments. I know COVID was what finally pushed me into the hobby after years of trepidation and a major reason why I was hesitant was knowing that I couldn't match the box art. That said, using them more as guidelines, I've found that I can paint models in a way that I like without breaking my sanity

[@thomasargentina5421]

can you please please PLEAS Tell me witch Paints u use i wanna buy them to

[@AcceptTheNull]

I literally called GW as a kid, asking about how to get the color that they always had Space Wolves colored. "Just use space wolf grey," Yeah but that is just really really dark, I mean that lighter blue they are getting. "let me check with our paint team.. (few minutes go by), yeah just use Space Wolves grey."

[@Malygon]

I remember someone who painted a lot of Alpha Legion (Horus Heresy and 40k) proving that the art on the store (Forgeworld specifically) was digitally altered and especially made to look more bright while also playing with contrast and saturation. This was after quite some time of trying to replicate that art, even getting paint recipes from the people who painted the model and visiting Warhammer World where those models were displayed. Sadly I can't remember who that KZbinr was.

[@SWolffang]

The recipe for the pink nurglings as far as I can tell would be the same they use for the flesh on their venom crawler and other demonengines. Rakarth flesh,Palad witch flesh, and carroburg crimson being the shade. Could use reikland flesh shade as well.

[@tomfagrell7357]

Oh, another thing. Nowadays 'eavy metal use almost exclusively citadel paints, but I suspect this wasn't always the case. Ten years ago I suspect the professional paint recipe would only be partly GW and a whole lot of other products - can't print that on the box.

[@saintdane05]

I definitely know that's how it worked for forge world. There were a lot of Tamiya clears and oil paints in there

[@princeofcupspoc9073]

There's not that much different about GW, Tamiya, Vallejo, Andrea etc. paints. But if I had to rate them, GW would be the worst, and Andrea the best.

[@sinnscheurmier8855]

Beginning of the video: I'm going to follow the back of the box to show that GW are lying about the paints you can use. 3 minutes into video: I won't use GW paints for this. 4 minutes into video: I won't use the black they've said either What was the point of the video again?

[@sasserine]

Now, ask why the paint suggestions on the boxes are for out of production colours. And why they don't keep old colours in production.

[@rylandvance5304]

I've been on the fence about getting back into the hobby, just for building and painting, and I feel pretty inspired now

[@endlesswaffles6504]

That plague marine looks awesome, but it seems a bit more saturated than the box art. I don't know if the 'eavy metal team actually use the paints listed.

[@anakon]

Its the lights they use to take the photos plus a bit of retouch to make them look a bit better afterwards in photoshop.

[@MrSteelface96]

I just realised why my highlight got so much better when i used my halfdry leftover paint from my wet palette, and why it got worse when i refilled it with fresh paint thanks to this video lol, thanks!.

[@DDCRExposed]

Looks great! I certainly don't have time for 5-10 passes of glaze per area. I'm very content with 2-3 passes of midrange layer-glaze consistency and go from there. I have such a backlog that I'm very happy with what I'm pushing out and getting them all done.

[@ShadowDrakken]

With my partner we broke it into basically two lessons. Lesson 1: base coat, dry brush, glaze. Lesson 2: base coat, wet blending. Washes didn't require a lesson after that, she just understood it from how the other techniques pulled together. And starting off with wet blending early turned out to be much easier than I expected since she didn't already have any habits developed to get in the way. She's better at wet blending than I am already, and it's because we started off straight into understanding how paint layers and blends.

[@Maligust_]

For pink nurglings you can go into the know no fear starter set book and it explains how to paint that kind of skin

[@machinech183]

Expecting those "suggestions" to be all you need is like showing up to a fast-food restaurant expecting what you just ordered to look anything like the commercial that led you there in the first place. That aside... Incredible job and huge thanks for the how-to and advice.

[@Fallen_BDPS]

Man this video makes me feel so much better. I have been struggling so hard to finish my catacombs box following GWs steps. I just started this hobby and I've been getting so frustrated.

[@ericclement1598]

@ninjon Dude this video helped me immensely. I just started painting 40k death guards and the step of layering after washes kept messing me up so bad. Glazing worked SO much better and i was able to get a result i was really stoked on! Thank you!

[@jackryan8588]

Man, brings back memories of when I used a frayed paintbrush and three year old starter colors to paint the Ultramarine/Death Guard Starter Kit. Had to mix and match colors, using the bathroom sink to properly fake a wash paint. Had to use my thumb to rub off any excess paint and then coated my troops with a watered down Mephiston Red. Fun Times.

[@JonBringer]

Hello mate nice vid, just to say you can totally ask the Eavy metal painters the actual paint recipe :) I asked Max Falejj what it was and he told me: Basecoat - DeathWorld Forest/Nurgling Green 50/50 (This is just Death Guard Green as Nick Baton tested it for me) Soft Shade - Watered down Athonian Camo Shade Deep Shade (recesses) - Caliban Green/Rhinox Hide 50/50 (Nocturne Green, Nick again) Chunky Highlight and Chips - Ogryn Camo Highlight - Krieg Khaki Highlight - Krieg Khaki/White 50/50 Final Highlight - White Dots Hopefully this'll help anyone wanting the recipe :)

[@Ninjon]

Very cool! Thanks, after doing this I can totally see how those steps make way more sense!

[@Xspider101]

Out of all the videos on painting models, this video was the biggest help, I'm definitely going to watch more of your videos to help guide me with the paints and layers needed for great looking minatures.

[@magicalawnmower4764]

I don't glaze when i try to layer, I just have 3 colors (sometimes mixes to keep everything unified) and mix those to have like 5 different colors for the shadows and highlights

[@mikem4432]

GW is completely DISHONEST at selling the PROFESSIONALLY painted mini to people(NOOBS) that think they can get anything close to the same results!!! and the paint they sell is CRAP! Most will never attain the talent to even come close to painting the mini's like that... not even close!

[@thomasalegredelasoujeole9998]

Oh boy. Formidable guide... But we all expect the Burger we’re served at McDonald’s to look nothing like the advert picture on the banners ^^ Since i haven’t got any airbrush, this guide really helped me out a lot ! Thanks a bunch !

[@soerenfeddersen3560]

Great video, just reviewed this one. Did you see the channel of the ex GW studio painter where he shows how they did the DG armour? I guess there are even more glazing steps included. Very time consumig if you want to do more than just onw squad for the box art.

[@chaoscultist5679]

Fantastic video man! You're definitely trying to find things to teach that other painter's haven't and you've been nailing it. This topic is something I've struggled with a lot as a newer painter and finally figured it out recently through much trial and error, and it's great to see those thoughts shared and validated by someone else. Love your stuff man! Thank you for the videos.

[@MentoliptusBanko]

When I wend back to painting minis a couple of years ago there was only Duncan and his videos to show me how to paint minis. So I did as Duncan did but thinned my paints more and more and enden up glazing every mini I painted a zillion of layers. I was so slow it was frustrating. Then came a lot of other youtube-mini-painters and I learned a lot of other approaches. I became much much faster...but when I want something to look "clean and neat" I go back to those zillion of glaze layers I practiced so much in the past. So I agree, you learn a lot by painting this way :)

[@jamindawsey2849]

How/where can you get those blind boxes for models?

[@RequiemWraith]

That's a phenomenal paint job! And as already mentioned by someone else, you're explanation/demonstration of glazing is far better than many "how to" videos I've watched. Some input on the wash aspect. I'd still call myself a new painter, I did my first models in May/June of last year. More from a point of view of it seeming wasteful, I never started with the all over wash approach. Why would I use a tonne of wash, and then extra base coat to go back over parts I've already base coated? Instead I've limited my use of wash to specifically recesses and areas that I want to be shaded. It might not get quite the same effect, but it's one I'm so far happy with. And, mistakes can be far more easily corrected.

[@zorminster]

Jon, I just love your videos mate. You're such a realist and the end product of every single effort (both the minis and your videos) is clearly a passion which you've poured yourself into. One of my favorites and I grin ear to ear everytime i see a new video posted- keep up the great work!

[@haldanerobbs4837]

As Agent Ninjon came down the stairs, I thought it was going to be Miniac haha

[@CeeJayThe13th]

Ya know, I had the same thought

[@robk3151]

Thanks, v good explanation. What makes the difference is the tiny whispy pale scratches on the armour on the finish that makes the armour look more weathered. Your boils on the nurglings and face look better though. Their's are too crusty while yours are ripe and ready to burst. The texture representation is the icing on the cake.

[@chrisa.9071]

What black color did you use for the basecoat in your airbrush?

[@ethanshupe4403]

I came here just looking for tips and tricks, but man, that was really good. I especially appreciate how you mentioned mistakes you made and how to improve them.

[@JudexDirus]

That’s speed painting……. Man I would never get anything painted…. who am I kidding, I’m not getting anything painted anyway…..

[@Uncle4T]

Patience you guys have at making this awesome, amaze me even more. I always feel like i wanna rush it cause i can't just wait to see it in its glory.

[@baltazargabka_]

3:00 what brand these paints are?

[@jamesbuntain4772]

Amazing video! I am a beginner in model painting but it honestly reminds me of oil painting on canvas, you have to work up layers from "lean" to "fat" This really helped me understand painting future models for 40k as well as AoS!!!

[@DoomDiveryaha]

Great video (new to the channel). I really enjoyed the positive spin at the end of the video about the results. I think it is really easy to look down on/belittle some of these things we see and how to apply them, yet here is an objective look at what you (and can't) do with those paints and how actually you can use them to recreate the box art but not quite as advertised

[@specialorder9379]

I’ve never painted miniatures before but want to start. What’s a good paint set to start with?

[@ADHD_40K]

How can one highlight their standard bronze colour? I just ordered some paint but forgot to look out for a brighter bronze (mine is already fairly bright). Just adding a bit orange or yellow?

[@RFischer]

What color is the blue you use to represent the corrosion on the bronze?

[@turtleandbear1179]

where did you get those paint racks/shelves from?

[@Ninjon]

There’s a link in the video description 👍

[@echorome6260]

Jon you said you use flow improver for your glazes, presumably that's when diluting with water, what do you think about glaze medium?

[@Ninjon]

It’s very very similar to flow aid, either works!