Nio ET7 100 kWh 1000 km challenge with battery swap

[@Powerhamsi]

No deduction for the battery swap, it was deemed normal by the Nio lady. You do not deduct time, if you cannot charge faster (for whatever reason), you are slower as well. It is what it is!

[@felgen24]

Looking forward to see a new test without all the deductions, if it’s possible that is.

[@alexandruilea915]

@@felgen24 just add an hour to the total time, he deducted at the end

[@noonespecial270]

Disagree to deduct time from battery swap. That is what other NIO drivers will experience too. So it would be unfair to deduct 15 minutes for this.

[@dos585]

I do too. This is real world. Waiting and you can not do anything is nut deduction reason

[@polaris1985]

10:20 hours is still good for 1000 km

[@thomasegeland1847]

Yes. @bjornnyland it is "switchgating"

[@shivan6416]

Totally agree.

[@DominikDebef]

I agree with the deduction because I want to know what is possible. Adding time to cover unexpected circumstances I can manually before each trip.

[@felixklusener5530]

I disagree with the deductions for the battery swap and handshake problems. The handshake problems are normal for Nio and you simply can't get faster from A to B because of a limitation of the car. The battery swap took longer because of the blocked radar and that is what any Nio customer would encounter driving in winter conditions. So this is another limitation of the cars systems that should not be deducted. Only that extra handshake where you bumped into the cable could be avoided and it is fair to deduct that as well as the Göteborg-stau.

[@bjornnyland]

But did you forget that I always deduct handshake problems for other cars? Many German cars have handshake problems. Do you mean that I should start including handshake problems with Audi, BMW and Mercedes?

[@felixklusener5530]

​@@bjornnylandIf handshake problems are a regular behavior of a car and can't be avoided by not using a specific type of charger where it fails all the time, this time should not be deducted for any car regardless of the brand. I agree that random issues like stau, leftlane huggers and user errors should be deducted but not issues you run into on every single trip as a normal user. This is just my opinion on this matter. Other people are free to disagree.

[@kardy12]

@@felixklusener5530 That depends on whether you expect those problems to be permanent or whether you accept that much of it is teething problems with software systems.

[@erlendkristiansen4664]

@@bjornnyland Yeah, I think those should be included as well.

[@ziggyyo]

@@bjornnyland It is okay to deduct one time problems. In a next run Bjørn knows (and we know) how to handle blocked parking sensors and how to initiate the manual process. So it is okay to deduct one time problems, as long as the fallback procedure is constantly available and no other random problems occur.

[@jasonfournier]

This really highlights why battery swapping is not the panacea for long distance travel and general battery charging. When they are in wide use, maintaining a good supply of batteries is not always possible. Throughput at the stations is limited and requires an attendant. For the same operating and building costs you can service main more cars with chargers.

[@Zedus-rl9hp]

This shows again very clearly that efficiency is still the key. The driving profile has to be very special for a swap station to pay off.

[@ziggyyo]

Yes, the swap stations need to be positioned on your individual route. Additionally, the car SoC should ideally be less than 30% when reaching a swap station.

[@zbynekkriston3932]

Nio sounds amazing on the surface but the technology looks half-baked and needs a lot of refinement to live up to the hype.

[@bartwaggoner2000]

What if you want to change the battery form factor? Or, dare I say it, make it a structural component? And given how many lowly chargers fail, how often will much more complex swap stations fail? And will they run out of batteries sometimes?

[@ziggyyo]

​@@bartwaggoner2000 yes, at 15:35 some batteries were not available

[@SpenceW]

Another great video, Bjørn - thank-you! In trying to keep it ‘fair’, you have had to make some (many, in this instance) deductions that not all will agree with. At least you have been clear what they are for, so others can understand what happened on the day vs what is possible

[@stevenbarrett7648]

No deduction as the person in charge said its normal ….. quicker to charge at an electric ‘pump’

[@felgen24]

For me this was the final nail in the coffin for power swap. Yes there will be some that loves this system but for the avarage Joe it’s just easier to start charging and to tend to work, children or amenities.

[@Ben311]

If it really takes 10-15 min for the battery swap, fine, but let the driver exit the vehicle to at least use the restroom or something.

[@marcuslundin3937]

@@Ben311 just use the restroom before or after lol

[@Ben311]

@@marcuslundin3937 true, but that would extend the “break” again. - if I have 20 min anyway I can just charge the car.

[@ora10053]

yeah, over 10 minutes stuck in dead car without HVAC doing nothing? no thanks

[@marcuslundin3937]

@@ora10053 prob could not afford one anyways11😂

[@nofumeselectric]

Thanks for another great video TB! I think battery swap is good when: a) you don't have a chance to charge at home - swapping is a convenient option and better than degrading your battery with regular high speed charging b) you have battery degradation anxiety, concerns about resale value due to degraded battery, cost of new battery - for many these are justified concerns I think one should remember also that NIO can still be charged fast enough for the vast majority of needs, and that NIO might have some other great attributes and not only battery swap, such as (HW) build quality, performance, looks. Looking forward to seeing the ET5 being reviewed by TB!

[@olpo2001]

As many others have mentioned, I do not think the deduction was fair. It’s a part of the experience, maybe it will improve in the future, but it is what it is as of right now. I think the same is applicable for handshake issues. It’s fine to note down the time delays, but it should be included in the time.

[@petersjstedt6170]

handshake problem shouldn't be deducted. that is a part of the cars design or lack of. radarproblems due to weather? maybe. but still a car problem. batteryswap problem shouldn't be deducted. otherwise people gets an unrealistic picture of the Nio.

[@bjornnyland]

I always deduct handshake problems in other cars. The reason for it is because it's random and many cars can avoid this by pushing the plug against the car during handshake.

[@Bimmer_i4_M50]

Battery swapping pays off only in very very limited scenarios. Nice idea but not needed in real life. I think it’s DOA.

[@kruemelfelix]

In my opinion you should only deduct time: - for traffic related reasons (like left-lane-huggers or Stau) - for charger issues in case the car isn't responsible (like a broken / offline charger, or a charger which only delivers 30kW or no charger available). Do not deduct handshake issues if they occur on all chargers as that is something the end-user will also experience and deal with and waste time for that. - for own mistakes (like taking the wrong exit or bumping into a cable) In the case of this video you should of course not deduct time for the extra time at the swap station. If the car is poorly designed like this ET7 and unable to park at that station automatically during winter everyone needs to fiddle around with that. If the swap station has no 90% 100kWh battery pack available you should also not deduct it. You also won't deduct time in case you need to share a charger and have reduced charging speed (like in early Tesla videos). In case of this video it's only fair to add 30min on top of that time in the spreadsheet which makes the NIO ET7 during harsh winter a car which can do the 1000km in 9h50min. If you can redo this test during summer that would be awesome!

[@unkleschilke]

Would not deduct for the swap station issues.. but could designate a snowflake like the wet runs?

[@AlvinBul]

Imagine 3 cars queueing at a swap station.. That could be more than 40 min wait time.. 🤣

[@Shaolinof36thChamber]

NIO driver stupidity? lol

[@hyy3657]

why? they can charge simultaneously

[@achim.t]

I really can't see the advantage of battery swap at this time. It has so many quirks yet, and with all that it's not really much faster. Maybe in the future … Also, I'm not sure if deducting time for handshake problems is fair. If the car is bad at that, the clock should keep on ticking …

[@FredrikGyllensten]

This makes me even more certain Tesla did the right thing focusing on fast charges all over the map, instead of battery swap. Think og the cost for the company as well, I cant see how they are going to make this profitabel.

[@shahramriazy9189]

Great videos.. but you dont buy a NIO et7 to drive in north Scandinavia.. you buy it to drive route de Soleil or to drive in big city with allot apartments.. major problems are coming to generate energy in bug city’s.. extreme cold is not a problem..

[@slijkhuis]

I ‘kinda’ disagree, as with all other EV’s you sometimes have low charging due some reason, that also does not get deducted. Anyone else sees it this way?

[@bjornnyland]

Do you mean low power/kW? No, they don't get deducted for other cars. Which timestamp are you referring to?

[@slijkhuis]

11:15 😊 now it seems the time is calculated if everything would be ‘optimal’, but then all other EV reviews would also need to get deductions with ‘optimal’ charging speeds. If you know what I mean. Maybe i’m just wrong. 😅

[@bjornnyland]

Like I sad: If charging EVs charge slow, I don't deduct for that. But the delays here are random. Just like traffic jam. It's unfair to have them there. If I drove at night, I would not hit traffic jam.

[@slijkhuis]

Yeah I know, but the issues at the swapstation should be seen as ‘slow charging’ or ‘cold-gating’ and should not be deducted. That’s what I mean. 😅 anyhow. Can’t wait for your next 1000 km challenge. 👍🏻

[@Marbellous]

What Jeffrey tried to say here was that battery swap with all it's delays should be compared fully to charging with it's related delays/problems.

[@mikerichards8646]

Great review that has confirmed to me that for regular long journeys this is not ideal, however would be great in cities for those without off street parking.

[@everbeever]

Hopefully Nio will build more stations in the future. It will only be getting better with more stations built.

[@grzegorzgr4718]

In case of bettery swap, handshake problem is between coldgating nad real handshake issues. There is no deduction if car is charging unusualy slow.

[@ilyasb.4477]

I disagree with the time deduction due to battery swap problems. It is part of the ownership experience. Right now, it is what it is. Maybe in the future, when the experience will improve and it will take less time.

[@Dinkleslurp]

In my opinion deducting time for "left lane huggers" doesn't make sense(in this case), since utilizing battery swap requires you to drive at a time period when there are other people on the road

[@ohyesitsme]

I think the only deduction should be when you hit the charging cable. The rest was real word events.

[@bjornnyland]

Also the 20 minute traffic jam in Gøteborg?

[@egil-andrenessmortensen3037]

quite pleased with that

[@KevinGuanziroli]

Imagine you are behind Bjorn, who take 25min to swap his battery and take the last 100kw battery charged at 90% :D Battery swapping looks great but managing it looks like a nightmare. Lot of data needed to know how many battery to keep, at what SoC, what kind of battery, when it's going to be needed. This is all infancy problems which would be solved by scale, but when the scale will be big enough in your area and mature enough, depend on a lot of factor impossible to predict.

[@bjornnyland]

*100 kWh kW = power kWh = energy

[@wojciechmuras553]

Battery swapping means you don't own the battery, you have to pay a monthly subscription for your own car to drive. I find that unacceptable, and therefore I strongly prefer 250+ kW charging instead.

[@esaedvik]

Swapping is just so unnecessary.

[@wojciechmuras553]

@@GM-lq7sw Great, 4 free battery replacements within the warranty period? Count me in! (Of course that's an entirely unreal scenario and would've made every EV manufacturer bankrupt long ago if batteries only lasted 2 years of use...)

[@chestodor4161]

Battery swapping is not worth it if you have to waste 13 minutes of sitting inside the car doing nothing. It is better to charge for 20 mins while going to the toilet or getting some food, rather than doing that after wasting 13 minutes.

[@evchargerreviewsnet]

Battery swaps add so much unneeded complexity and dependency. It will be made redundant by faster charging batteries.

[@Putersdcat]

The poor woman who‘s voice is now immortalized in that error message, “Something goes wrong, would you please contact the specialist” 😬 that chinglish is making it to the list list with, “PoWa Ohn” and “Brewtoof rehdi” 🤣💀

[@tommyovesen]

23 mins to swap battery? If two cars are in queue in front of you, 1hrs15mins wait.... 10 cars in line, 4 hrs wait :)

[@dos585]

Dont forget you can not go to toilet if you are in Swapstation. Thats really funny. No Radio Musik, Climate in this time... No way. !!! thanks Björn.

[@alexandruilea915]

Also, I feel like the car should be able to do the swap by itself so you stop in the square, get out, close the door and come back yo pick the car in the parking lot.

[@dos585]

@@alexandruilea915 i think this is not allowed. Who is responsible if the car makes an accident....

[@alexandruilea915]

@@dos585 NIO of couse as it's their software "driving" it.

[@dos585]

@@alexandruilea915 but what is if the autopilot from Tesla killed someone. It the responsibility from the owner. Not Tesla.

[@alexandruilea915]

@@dos585 autopilot doesn't go with 3km per hour to park and get back out

[@thomasrueesch7310]

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not into the battery swap and feel it's dead on arrival for normal cars...to expensive equipment needed which needs to be maintained perfectly (and someone will have to pay for it...then shipping around the batteries like the electric scooters in the city...just the regular charging is enough of a hassle today (with all the apps and IT problems)...and even this seems easy in compare. But many thanks for the great video 🙂

[@MikeDeeee]

I don't think batteries need to be shipped around normally. After all, each car always brings a battery before it takes one away. Ideally though, the charging power needs to be increased so that there can never be the situation that a battery is full. If a station can service 12 cars in an hour, and there are 13+1 batteries in the station, this should be possible if the batteries get recharged within an hour.

[@MikeDeeee]

Exactly for the reason you mentioned at the end, I am not convinced that battery swap will really be the way forward long-term. Already now, in cars that charge very fast and have a long range, the charging breaks are already fully utilised by bathroom usage and buying a snack and drink, and we rarely have to wait much for the car. In the future, range and charging power will increase further, so this will become even less of an issue. So the advantage of the swap stations can only be used in highly optimised settings, probably with two drivers. By the way, do you have a test of the Ioniq 6 lined up? I think it will end up quite far up the list in the 1000 km challenge, especially if done when it is a bit warmer.

[@ricardoregado1]

Nice to talk to you Björn in Helsingborg

[@EVinstructor]

If battery swapping is going to work the infrastructure will have to be built at a fast rate. Stations with more than 13 batteries will be needed. As a comparison, I have a Model 3 and received free electricity at Superchargers for taking delivery last December in the UK. So I visit the local Supercharger once or twice a week. There are 8 stalls. This afternoon it wasn’t very busy but in the 30 minutes I was there 6 cars had charged. Its a busy site. If it was a battery swap station it would already have 6 empty batteries to charge and sent out 6 full ones in 30 minutes. I’ve never had to wait at this Supercharger site but sometimes there’s only 2 stalls available. A battery swap site to deal with the same throughput of EVs would need a lot of batteries in stock, a lot more land and probably a larger grid connection. It’s possible but Nio have to put the investment in if they want to use battery swapping as a selling point for their vehicles. It will cost more than setting up a rival to the Supercharger network. Can they afford the investment?

[@pshilling]

Nomi's voice sounds like the Catalyst kid from Mass Effect

[@vhol93]

running scandisk, defragging hahahhaa

[@racemouse5014]

Defragging the battery? You are funny 🙂🙂 🙂

[@gavinderbyshire5535]

The head to head we all wanted to see, great work Bjorn...

[@pandabear5746]

Looking forward for ET7 to come to California. :)

[@kipperdog7950]

I think this idea was tried around 12 years ago with the Renault Fluence ZE - the company that did the battery swaps went bust!

[@minicirco]

9:25 maybe. But with some small amount of stress factor? Swapping anxiety? 🤔

[@mkkm945]

Basically this shows that battery swap is kind of dead. Today's Model 3 is almost equal + as you said yourself Bjorn, driving to the max of the battery is not practical. People need to pee. Tesla 3, Hyundai Ioniq 6 are basically killing this concept. More will come soon. The charging infrastructure is miles ahead. Battery swap may be useful for long distance trucking or battery locomotive engines/trains.

[@graemeesmith]

Battery swap is interesting. If there's a queue, how quickly can they cycle cars through the station. 10-20 minutes isn't amazing.

[@treborheminway3814]

As long as you have a sheet with all the actual times, a column with the deductions and a Projected Best Case net result, it doesn't really matter. People can use what they want.

[@nachocollantes7602]

You have a broken cluster! 😂 Very good one Bjorn

[@billcarter5149]

You should probably do the challenge again. Too many glitches occurred!

[@bjornnyland]

Car not available.

[@brilanto]

Another glitch 😬

[@SamuraiTacos1]

interesting concept of battery swapping will it take off in the usa

[@deas1972]

Hej, Easee charging box sales stop? Please do a video about whats going on!?

[@rune54321]

Such a nice car. A bit too big for me. ET5 is perfect

Bjørn, I approve your banana peeling, you did it from the right side!

[@MrTchou]

Aren’t radar issues due to ice on the sensors or something like that ?

[@RunarKjeldsberg]

Battery swap looks like a hassle.

[@nexusgraphix]

Everything with Nio feels like a beta version.

[@pandabear5746]

I think it is convinient as the swap system improves. This test drive is using the Generation 1 Swap platform.

[@Shaolinof36thChamber]

@@GM-lq7sw Sounds like beta test. 8 minutes is ridiculous. I'll prefer fast charging 10 - 15 minutes. While I'm doing my break. Rest room & coffee.

[@SustainableGal]

personally I think battery swapping will only really work for more environmentally friendly chemistires like LiFePo4 (LFP), because you dont want the degredation & they cant charge as fast, but for cobalt based chemistries Ultra Rapid charging is definatly faster (like you say 250kw++)

[@Lucas-wp2ph]

I China you can let the swap lady do the swap for you as long as you go to the bathroom or grab something to eat. This would give her something to do😁

[@bjornnyland]

Too bad that's not possible in Europe.

[@alexandruilea915]

@@bjornnyland yet, probably

[@egil-andrenessmortensen3037]

Someone posted in an earlier video that v3 swap stations (that are quicker and has more batteries than v2) will also have LIDAR, which is supposed to make the car be able to do everything by itself. If this is true, the experience would be so much better.

[@brilanto]

Lidar because 'camera only doesn't work'? 🫢

[@bfkmnemonic]

No deduction.

[@st4849]

Can you do the 2023 Ioniq 5 RWD with battery preconditioning please?

[@reinplat]

The entire swapping process needs to be rethought and redesigned. It should be straight roll in and zero idling. Any analyses should be performed by the car itself long before arriving at the station. And the battery should be in place ready for installation by the time the car is powered down. In its present form, the process is downright infuriating.

[@RM-sd5yw]

Can you also do a test drive of the EL7 and ET5? I think both are already available in Norway.

[@bjornnyland]

Already booked.

[@matthewgee7945]

No deductions - the time is the time..this is real world now, if the process is slow or does not work then thats included.

[@bjornnyland]

Also the 20 minute traffic jam in Gøteborg?

[@Random.Adventures.]

wow nio for the win

[@ostriyah]

If deductions >= 60min then test_run = aborted

[@LetsLearnEconomic]

Great video!

[@user-ie8vn6yr1r]

ABB = Always Bring Banana

[@tisnaedwerk6977]

Might be a good idea to add a collumn to the spreadshiiiiiiiieeeeet for "Glitch time deduction" per car. You can't control traffic or weather, but corps sure can put money in troubleshooting their products.

[@Knud7123]

Deduction, deduction, deduction 🙈

[@andrewroberts1787]

If this deduction trend continues he will end up arriving before he leaves. Then we can start calling him Doc Brown because he's invented a time machine...

[@StrashniNS]

You should have two columns "perfect time" and "real world time". Even gas cars can run into problems at gas pumps...

[@bjornnyland]

The problem is that real world time is very random. We hit traffic today for example. Pointless to have this time written down at all.

[@StrashniNS]

@@bjornnyland You are 100% correct, if you have a goal to show only the perfect time :) The Real world time can tell the tale of Bjorn travels ;)

[@siraff4461]

You can't really deduct the convenience charge at the end either because you don't have the option of leaving the charger early. You get the whole charge anyway so any time left over is going to be there weather you want it or not.

[@bjornnyland]

Incorrect. I would have taken another charging stop and gotten 40 kW instead of 16 kW.

[@siraff4461]

@@bjornnyland I mean if you're doing a battery swap you're getting that battery and time regardless. You can't save time by not getting the battery swap unless you don't and then you wouldn't have enough energy. If you would have gone to a charger instead that would have taken just as long anyway so there is nothing to discount.

[@jakubremer2902]

How much cost this battery swap?

[@thomasj1148]

Tesla Model S LR vs ET7 in a 1000 km race would be awesome !

[@ericvet8b]

11:34 I don’t think you should take time off that swap

[@Mues_Lee]

ABB Always bring banana

[@balint_szoke]

You were good Bjørn, thanks for the video and your efforts! 👍🏼 This battery swap concept is a joke nowadays (10 year ago it could be good, but now…). You will see, in 3 years Nio must drop out this battery swap projet (maybe in China will be stay)

[@megapet777]

If the battery swap takes that long then I dont know if its that helpful. Cars will get faster and faster charging as the tech improves so you will spend similar time anyway charging but you can use the AC, listen to music, do whatever meanwhile. Also what if the machine breaks while you dont have battery in your car and you are in a hurry? That would be disaster.

[@siraff4461]

As I said on the other video - swapping doesn't make any sense. One swap station uses about the same resources as ten superchargers. If one car turns up it might save 20 minutes - lates say half an hour. If two turn up it might save 10 minutes. If three or more turn up you're better off with the superchargers. I see more than three Teslas at the superchargers almost every time I go. You have to remember the swap stations also need to charge the batteries so depending how many and how fast they can do that you will need a lot of batteries or the wait times will just build up because its like having all the cars waiting for one or two rapids. The idea simply doesn't work at scale.

[@dijikstra8]

I think it's a good idea for swapping to a higher capacity battery for when you're going on a road trip or something so you don't have to buy a 150 kWh battery for your normal driving, which would also be quite wasteful, but perhaps not for every day charging.

[@hrford]

I feel you should include the base-time as normal but also a total real-world time without deductions. Then people can compare the best possible vs real-life. It might even be able to determine "reliability" scores when trips have small differences between "time with deductions" and "time including random events". It's no longer a vote on if to deduct or not. People can read whichever column they want.

[@maejshbrail2233]

such a great looking car tho

[@egil-andrenessmortensen3037]

in fact its a fantastic car ;)

[@robertgidaa2705]

Opening a banana like that should be illegal 😂

[@Noaixs]

I never think that this swapping station are profitable not now or in the future you need a service person what you have to pay so much moving parts what need maintenance. On this place where the swapping station is you can put 4 or more superchargers they can charge simultaneously and can leave the car. At the end you save 10min each charge not worth it. Nice that NIO developing something like this but when the charging speed is rising this swapping station will be slower.

[@dsjc_]

Watched some other Nio videos in China, it just seems like a complete different experience where it’s more optimised and suited for China (Obviously). While for Europe it looks like Nio could improve a lot on which makes sense since they’re new but that means it’s more unfair for European buyers and it feels more of a trial and error ownership experience. Maybe once Nio settles their stuff then it would make sense to buy but I don’t see how anyone would consider this over a more legacy brand right now unless you’re a Nio fan. Even Nomi’s voice in Chinese sounds more pleasing while the english version just sounds like an annoying kid 😂

[@bjornnyland]

In my test we had some real world winter to deal with. I bet if I tested in spring or summer, I would have far less issues.

[@nengzhaog297]

Most of EV owners in China are located in south, as are the test medias. South China is not as cold as EU. There is Chinese media tested ET7 in north, at the -15 dgree Celsius, the result is 26.6kWh/100km, pretty similar with this video. Also you can not drive as fast as Björn in China, lower speed reduces the wind drag.

[@maejshbrail2233]

@@jooptablet1727 you can find many american and EU youtubers etc. chinese media isnt controlling all of the internet, take off your hat lol, take a look at Eric G fx.

[@ziggyyo]

NIO is operating about 1.300 swap stations in China. There are still many 50 kW fast charging stations in China.

[@Blasterxp]

How much is a battery swap? €?

[@ziggyyo]

15:23 The 100 kWh batteries were not ready when you checked 22 km before reaching the swap station. Did this change upon arrival? Did you receive a 100 kWh battery?

[@ziggyyo]

Does NIO increase the charging power for a half empty battery when it is booked, so that it is ready on arrival of the customer?

[@bjornnyland]

If you have BaaS, you have to choose which battery size to subscribe to. This car has 100 kWh plan and you can *only* get 100 kWh batteries.

[@brilanto]

So much for the common "if I go on a road trip in summer I simply swap for a bigger battery" argument...

[@1sheinz]

I disagree with deducting time for the swap stations. This only shows the problems with this system. Here you have only one car using the system what happens when there is 10's of thousands of Nio's on the roads. the swaps will take an hour for that 6 min stop. The extra time with the swap is comparable to slow charger problems and coldgating car charger situations, so time should be left in for this comparason. CHEERS AND SAFE TRAVELS Steve h.

[@chrisubels]

Bjorn! Please test the new Lexus RZ450e with yoke! Yes, yoke! Unlike the Tesla plaid this yoke does not have the roundabout problem!! VERY RECOMMENDED!!

[@ora10053]

Considering the very low spread of battery swap across Europe, maybe you shouldn't use them yet for 1000 km? Just showcase the eventual time saving if a user get to have one on the route some day in future.

[@stane89]

How many km per year you do? Hats down

[@bjornnyland]

100k

[@Blasterxp]

Erg mooie spoiler, staat hem goed! Maxton design?

[@polinicasio]

In this test there is a large temperature difference of 25 to 35 degrees compared to the other tests. We all know that in freezing temperatures EVs have a much smaller range. To do a relevant test I would suggest repeating this test at 15 to 25 degrees. That way we have a realistic comparison.

[@bjornnyland]

What are you talking about? It was not that hot at all. It was winter.

[@etnelav]

the swaps seem to take longer than a tesla charge so i think the swap is debunked....

[@asingc]

​@@bjornnyland I guess he wishes you can retest in summer to avoid the severe low temperature overhead. Maybe test EL7 in two month when it is warm and relaxing again?

[@polinicasio]

@@bjornnyland Most of your tests were done at +20 degrees. This one at -10 degrees. A difference of 30 degrees is too large to properly compare. Regardless of the brand NIO, Audi, KIA, BMW. It is not a criticism but an observation to be able to make correct comparisons.

[@asingc]

​@@etnelav that swap process in my observation was marginally unsuccessful and the Nio staff was next to useless. Apparently Nio has a lot training to do before the whole system can perform at the level it was supposed to be.

[@omu_de_la_mare]

this is a bit like comparing apples to shoes. I can change shoes when running, going to a shop, try them buy them, get out of the shop etc... or I can keep eating apples for my energy and get at my destination faster. yes, you shouldn't deduct any time but also you shouldn't compare telemetry with cars that can't swap batteries or at least just use recharging in Nio as the other are using, to be fair. I can see the potential of swapping batteries but not for the quickness, more for the new battery maybe better quality battery, or loosing the anxiety of what do I do in 3-4 years if I need to swap batteries in my Tesla well... that's almost impossible etc. also Nio is innovating, a lot, by each iteration, improving quality . that says a lot about the company. I ll buy one in Central Europe when it reaches here 😅

[@Marbellous]

The banana was opened from the short tip which is the wrong end and not from the right end which is the long tip :D

[@bjornnyland]

That's the right way of opening the banana.

[@Marbellous]

@@bjornnyland You don't have to use your mouth on the other end ;)

[@ΣτέφανοςΚόκκαλης-τ1ν]

A travel battery like 150kwh and everyday battery 60kwh both with fast charging (High c rate) would be awesome. Battery chemistry options also should be available, summer battery lfp ,etc.

[@Lse380]

No dediction. This is what it is and a costumer will expirience.

[@tesla-spectre]

For me, the entire swapping thing is so far very artificial. If I remember correctly, the Nio ES8 was only going between two swap stations, right? So that one I do not count for myself as a regular 1000km for myself; under normal conditions it would be far away from that result using chargers where available on the normal route. The new test of the ET7 uses swap stations where available (so practically close to nowhere). Indeed the time lost there should, I think, be counted because it is part of the Nio experience, not eg a faulty charging station. The charging speed at normal stations and the consumption are both for me not terribly convincing. If one adds that time lost at the swap, as someone said here, it would be 10:20 not 9:20. And outside Norway there are practically no swap stations anyway, so the not great charging experience makes Nio for me more or less uninteresting so far. 🤷‍♂️

[@bjornnyland]

You're basically including all the delays that happened out of our control (60 minutes). But is it fair to include 20 minute traffic jam in Gøteborg?

[@tesla-spectre]

@@bjornnyland nope that not.

[@locksmack]

Seems like you were a bit too liberal with the deductions on this one Bjorn. The swap station issues are what a Neo customer would expect. And the final 10%/5min deduction doesn't seem fair as you got that 10% 'for free' from the swap, you didn't have to charge for it.

[@bjornnyland]

Incorrect. You don't understand the point of "convenience charge". And remember that the last swap was *not* the last stop. The last stop was a charging stop.

[@locksmack]

@@bjornnyland definitely understand the convenience charge, but yep my mistake I thought the last stop was a swap, not a charge.

[@GoO0f]

I think Nio made a strategic mistake by not designing for fast charging speeds. Nobody would worry about a dense battery swap grid if the car charged as fast as other comparable brands. The amount of cars you would need sell in order to operate a dense enough swap station network in markets like the US or even Germany/France is probably unreachable. Fast charging + swapping capability would be the value proposition for new markets.

[@loneskullkid]

Don't agree with the deduction for left lane huggers. That's going to happen when you do 1000km during the day which you have to do for the battery swap. Only a few mins any way so won't really change anything. Also the spreadsheet I think should have real world time and time with deductions. But anyway thanks for all the vids and the good work you do.

[@catalincatalin2923]

How much does a battery swap costs? you pay per kw? is there extra costs?

[@bjornnyland]

kW = power kWh = energy You pay per kWh + swap fee

[@alexandruilea915]

@@bjornnyland so you pay depending on how much your battery has left then.

[@egil-andrenessmortensen3037]

most customers lease the battery. then you get 160 000 NOK (100 kwh) deduction when you buy the car. Depending on when you bought the car you get minimum 2 swaps and 200 kwh included in the lease. Lease is 2000 NOK pr month. I have 4 swaps and 400 kwh included.

[@conglin6965]

Now with any Nio (be it new or 4 years old), with the new 150kwh solid-state battery, you can drive more than 1000km in one charge, live streamed in China this weekend by the CEO himself. Not just a theoretical range. So in summe you can probably do 1200km in one charge. With battery swap you benefit from that battery with just a higher subscription, no need to buy a new car. How about that?

[@cordkretzschmar5693]

When snow and ice is covering the screws, swapping is more difficult?

[@egil-andrenessmortensen3037]

probably, however supposedly the battery tried to heat before swap to try to avoid this