Nio ET7 100 kWh 1000 km challenge with battery swap

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[@Powerhamsi]

No deduction for the battery swap, it was deemed normal by the Nio lady. You do not deduct time, if you cannot charge faster (for whatever reason), you are slower as well. It is what it is!

[@felgen24]

Looking forward to see a new test without all the deductions, if it’s possible that is.

[@alexandruilea915]

@@felgen24 just add an hour to the total time, he deducted at the end

[@noonespecial270]

Disagree to deduct time from battery swap. That is what other NIO drivers will experience too. So it would be unfair to deduct 15 minutes for this.

[@dos585]

I do too. This is real world. Waiting and you can not do anything is nut deduction reason

[@polaris1985]

10:20 hours is still good for 1000 km

[@thomasegeland1847]

Yes. @bjornnyland it is "switchgating"

[@shivan6416]

Totally agree.

[@DominikDebef]

I agree with the deduction because I want to know what is possible. Adding time to cover unexpected circumstances I can manually before each trip.

[@felixklusener5530]

I disagree with the deductions for the battery swap and handshake problems. The handshake problems are normal for Nio and you simply can't get faster from A to B because of a limitation of the car. The battery swap took longer because of the blocked radar and that is what any Nio customer would encounter driving in winter conditions. So this is another limitation of the cars systems that should not be deducted. Only that extra handshake where you bumped into the cable could be avoided and it is fair to deduct that as well as the Göteborg-stau.

[@bjornnyland]

But did you forget that I always deduct handshake problems for other cars? Many German cars have handshake problems. Do you mean that I should start including handshake problems with Audi, BMW and Mercedes?

[@felixklusener5530]

​@@bjornnylandIf handshake problems are a regular behavior of a car and can't be avoided by not using a specific type of charger where it fails all the time, this time should not be deducted for any car regardless of the brand. I agree that random issues like stau, leftlane huggers and user errors should be deducted but not issues you run into on every single trip as a normal user. This is just my opinion on this matter. Other people are free to disagree.

[@kardy12]

@@felixklusener5530 That depends on whether you expect those problems to be permanent or whether you accept that much of it is teething problems with software systems.

[@erlendkristiansen4664]

@@bjornnyland Yeah, I think those should be included as well.

[@ziggyyo]

@@bjornnyland It is okay to deduct one time problems. In a next run Bjørn knows (and we know) how to handle blocked parking sensors and how to initiate the manual process. So it is okay to deduct one time problems, as long as the fallback procedure is constantly available and no other random problems occur.

[@jasonfournier]

This really highlights why battery swapping is not the panacea for long distance travel and general battery charging. When they are in wide use, maintaining a good supply of batteries is not always possible. Throughput at the stations is limited and requires an attendant. For the same operating and building costs you can service main more cars with chargers.

[@Zedus-rl9hp]

This shows again very clearly that efficiency is still the key. The driving profile has to be very special for a swap station to pay off.

[@ziggyyo]

Yes, the swap stations need to be positioned on your individual route. Additionally, the car SoC should ideally be less than 30% when reaching a swap station.

[@zbynekkriston3932]

Nio sounds amazing on the surface but the technology looks half-baked and needs a lot of refinement to live up to the hype.

[@bartwaggoner2000]

What if you want to change the battery form factor? Or, dare I say it, make it a structural component? And given how many lowly chargers fail, how often will much more complex swap stations fail? And will they run out of batteries sometimes?

[@ziggyyo]

​@@bartwaggoner2000 yes, at 15:35 some batteries were not available

[@SpenceW]

Another great video, Bjørn - thank-you! In trying to keep it ‘fair’, you have had to make some (many, in this instance) deductions that not all will agree with. At least you have been clear what they are for, so others can understand what happened on the day vs what is possible

[@olpo2001]

As many others have mentioned, I do not think the deduction was fair. It’s a part of the experience, maybe it will improve in the future, but it is what it is as of right now. I think the same is applicable for handshake issues. It’s fine to note down the time delays, but it should be included in the time.

[@stevenbarrett7648]

No deduction as the person in charge said its normal ….. quicker to charge at an electric ‘pump’

[@felgen24]

For me this was the final nail in the coffin for power swap. Yes there will be some that loves this system but for the avarage Joe it’s just easier to start charging and to tend to work, children or amenities.

[@Ben311]

If it really takes 10-15 min for the battery swap, fine, but let the driver exit the vehicle to at least use the restroom or something.

[@marcuslundin3937]

@@Ben311 just use the restroom before or after lol

[@Ben311]

@@marcuslundin3937 true, but that would extend the “break” again. - if I have 20 min anyway I can just charge the car.

[@ora10053]

yeah, over 10 minutes stuck in dead car without HVAC doing nothing? no thanks

[@marcuslundin3937]

@@ora10053 prob could not afford one anyways11😂

[@petersjstedt6170]

handshake problem shouldn't be deducted. that is a part of the cars design or lack of. radarproblems due to weather? maybe. but still a car problem. batteryswap problem shouldn't be deducted. otherwise people gets an unrealistic picture of the Nio.

[@bjornnyland]

I always deduct handshake problems in other cars. The reason for it is because it's random and many cars can avoid this by pushing the plug against the car during handshake.

[@kruemelfelix]

In my opinion you should only deduct time: - for traffic related reasons (like left-lane-huggers or Stau) - for charger issues in case the car isn't responsible (like a broken / offline charger, or a charger which only delivers 30kW or no charger available). Do not deduct handshake issues if they occur on all chargers as that is something the end-user will also experience and deal with and waste time for that. - for own mistakes (like taking the wrong exit or bumping into a cable) In the case of this video you should of course not deduct time for the extra time at the swap station. If the car is poorly designed like this ET7 and unable to park at that station automatically during winter everyone needs to fiddle around with that. If the swap station has no 90% 100kWh battery pack available you should also not deduct it. You also won't deduct time in case you need to share a charger and have reduced charging speed (like in early Tesla videos). In case of this video it's only fair to add 30min on top of that time in the spreadsheet which makes the NIO ET7 during harsh winter a car which can do the 1000km in 9h50min. If you can redo this test during summer that would be awesome!

[@nofumeselectric]

Thanks for another great video TB! I think battery swap is good when: a) you don't have a chance to charge at home - swapping is a convenient option and better than degrading your battery with regular high speed charging b) you have battery degradation anxiety, concerns about resale value due to degraded battery, cost of new battery - for many these are justified concerns I think one should remember also that NIO can still be charged fast enough for the vast majority of needs, and that NIO might have some other great attributes and not only battery swap, such as (HW) build quality, performance, looks. Looking forward to seeing the ET5 being reviewed by TB!

[@Beamer_i4_M50]

Battery swapping pays off only in very very limited scenarios. Nice idea but not needed in real life. I think it’s DOA.

[@achim.t]

I really can't see the advantage of battery swap at this time. It has so many quirks yet, and with all that it's not really much faster. Maybe in the future … Also, I'm not sure if deducting time for handshake problems is fair. If the car is bad at that, the clock should keep on ticking …

[@FredrikGyllensten]

This makes me even more certain Tesla did the right thing focusing on fast charges all over the map, instead of battery swap. Think og the cost for the company as well, I cant see how they are going to make this profitabel.

[@ilyasb.4477]

I disagree with the time deduction due to battery swap problems. It is part of the ownership experience. Right now, it is what it is. Maybe in the future, when the experience will improve and it will take less time.

[@chestodor4161]

Battery swapping is not worth it if you have to waste 13 minutes of sitting inside the car doing nothing. It is better to charge for 20 mins while going to the toilet or getting some food, rather than doing that after wasting 13 minutes.

[@slijkhuis]

I ‘kinda’ disagree, as with all other EV’s you sometimes have low charging due some reason, that also does not get deducted. Anyone else sees it this way?

[@bjornnyland]

Do you mean low power/kW? No, they don't get deducted for other cars. Which timestamp are you referring to?

[@slijkhuis]

11:15 😊 now it seems the time is calculated if everything would be ‘optimal’, but then all other EV reviews would also need to get deductions with ‘optimal’ charging speeds. If you know what I mean. Maybe i’m just wrong. 😅

[@bjornnyland]

Like I sad: If charging EVs charge slow, I don't deduct for that. But the delays here are random. Just like traffic jam. It's unfair to have them there. If I drove at night, I would not hit traffic jam.

[@slijkhuis]

Yeah I know, but the issues at the swapstation should be seen as ‘slow charging’ or ‘cold-gating’ and should not be deducted. That’s what I mean. 😅 anyhow. Can’t wait for your next 1000 km challenge. 👍🏻

[@Marbellous]

What Jeffrey tried to say here was that battery swap with all it's delays should be compared fully to charging with it's related delays/problems.

[@shahramriazy9189]

Great videos.. but you dont buy a NIO et7 to drive in north Scandinavia.. you buy it to drive route de Soleil or to drive in big city with allot apartments.. major problems are coming to generate energy in bug city’s.. extreme cold is not a problem..

[@AlvinBul]

Imagine 3 cars queueing at a swap station.. That could be more than 40 min wait time.. 🤣

[@Shaolinof36thChamber]

NIO driver stupidity? lol

[@hyy3657]

why? they can charge simultaneously

[@Dinkleslurp]

In my opinion deducting time for "left lane huggers" doesn't make sense(in this case), since utilizing battery swap requires you to drive at a time period when there are other people on the road

[@thomasrueesch7310]

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not into the battery swap and feel it's dead on arrival for normal cars...to expensive equipment needed which needs to be maintained perfectly (and someone will have to pay for it...then shipping around the batteries like the electric scooters in the city...just the regular charging is enough of a hassle today (with all the apps and IT problems)...and even this seems easy in compare. But many thanks for the great video 🙂

[@MikeDeeee]

I don't think batteries need to be shipped around normally. After all, each car always brings a battery before it takes one away. Ideally though, the charging power needs to be increased so that there can never be the situation that a battery is full. If a station can service 12 cars in an hour, and there are 13+1 batteries in the station, this should be possible if the batteries get recharged within an hour.

[@evchargerreviewsnet]

Battery swaps add so much unneeded complexity and dependency. It will be made redundant by faster charging batteries.

[@mikerichards8646]

Great review that has confirmed to me that for regular long journeys this is not ideal, however would be great in cities for those without off street parking.

[@everbeever]

Hopefully Nio will build more stations in the future. It will only be getting better with more stations built.

[@KevinGuanziroli]

Imagine you are behind Bjorn, who take 25min to swap his battery and take the last 100kw battery charged at 90% :D Battery swapping looks great but managing it looks like a nightmare. Lot of data needed to know how many battery to keep, at what SoC, what kind of battery, when it's going to be needed. This is all infancy problems which would be solved by scale, but when the scale will be big enough in your area and mature enough, depend on a lot of factor impossible to predict.

[@bjornnyland]

*100 kWh kW = power kWh = energy

[@wojciechmuras553]

Battery swapping means you don't own the battery, you have to pay a monthly subscription for your own car to drive. I find that unacceptable, and therefore I strongly prefer 250+ kW charging instead.

[@esaedvik]

Swapping is just so unnecessary.

[@wojciechmuras553]

@@GM-lq7sw Great, 4 free battery replacements within the warranty period? Count me in! (Of course that's an entirely unreal scenario and would've made every EV manufacturer bankrupt long ago if batteries only lasted 2 years of use...)

[@ohyesitsme]

I think the only deduction should be when you hit the charging cable. The rest was real word events.

[@bjornnyland]

Also the 20 minute traffic jam in Gøteborg?

[@tommyovesen]

23 mins to swap battery? If two cars are in queue in front of you, 1hrs15mins wait.... 10 cars in line, 4 hrs wait :)

[@Putersdcat]

The poor woman who‘s voice is now immortalized in that error message, “Something goes wrong, would you please contact the specialist” 😬 that chinglish is making it to the list list with, “PoWa Ohn” and “Brewtoof rehdi” 🤣💀

[@grzegorzgr4718]

In case of bettery swap, handshake problem is between coldgating nad real handshake issues. There is no deduction if car is charging unusualy slow.

[@MikeDeeee]

Exactly for the reason you mentioned at the end, I am not convinced that battery swap will really be the way forward long-term. Already now, in cars that charge very fast and have a long range, the charging breaks are already fully utilised by bathroom usage and buying a snack and drink, and we rarely have to wait much for the car. In the future, range and charging power will increase further, so this will become even less of an issue. So the advantage of the swap stations can only be used in highly optimised settings, probably with two drivers. By the way, do you have a test of the Ioniq 6 lined up? I think it will end up quite far up the list in the 1000 km challenge, especially if done when it is a bit warmer.

[@dos585]

Dont forget you can not go to toilet if you are in Swapstation. Thats really funny. No Radio Musik, Climate in this time... No way. !!! thanks Björn.

[@alexandruilea915]

Also, I feel like the car should be able to do the swap by itself so you stop in the square, get out, close the door and come back yo pick the car in the parking lot.

[@dos585]

@@alexandruilea915 i think this is not allowed. Who is responsible if the car makes an accident....

[@alexandruilea915]

@@dos585 NIO of couse as it's their software "driving" it.

[@dos585]

@@alexandruilea915 but what is if the autopilot from Tesla killed someone. It the responsibility from the owner. Not Tesla.

[@alexandruilea915]

@@dos585 autopilot doesn't go with 3km per hour to park and get back out

[@ostriyah]

If deductions >= 60min then test_run = aborted

[@unkleschilke]

Would not deduct for the swap station issues.. but could designate a snowflake like the wet runs?

[@SustainableGal]

personally I think battery swapping will only really work for more environmentally friendly chemistires like LiFePo4 (LFP), because you dont want the degredation & they cant charge as fast, but for cobalt based chemistries Ultra Rapid charging is definatly faster (like you say 250kw++)

[@kipperdog7950]

I think this idea was tried around 12 years ago with the Renault Fluence ZE - the company that did the battery swaps went bust!

[@egil-andrenessmortensen3037]

quite pleased with that

[@bfkmnemonic]

No deduction.

[@EVinstructor]

If battery swapping is going to work the infrastructure will have to be built at a fast rate. Stations with more than 13 batteries will be needed. As a comparison, I have a Model 3 and received free electricity at Superchargers for taking delivery last December in the UK. So I visit the local Supercharger once or twice a week. There are 8 stalls. This afternoon it wasn’t very busy but in the 30 minutes I was there 6 cars had charged. Its a busy site. If it was a battery swap station it would already have 6 empty batteries to charge and sent out 6 full ones in 30 minutes. I’ve never had to wait at this Supercharger site but sometimes there’s only 2 stalls available. A battery swap site to deal with the same throughput of EVs would need a lot of batteries in stock, a lot more land and probably a larger grid connection. It’s possible but Nio have to put the investment in if they want to use battery swapping as a selling point for their vehicles. It will cost more than setting up a rival to the Supercharger network. Can they afford the investment?

[@graemeesmith]

Battery swap is interesting. If there's a queue, how quickly can they cycle cars through the station. 10-20 minutes isn't amazing.

[@treborheminway3814]

As long as you have a sheet with all the actual times, a column with the deductions and a Projected Best Case net result, it doesn't really matter. People can use what they want.

[@racemouse5014]

Defragging the battery? You are funny 🙂🙂 🙂

[@mkkm945]

Basically this shows that battery swap is kind of dead. Today's Model 3 is almost equal + as you said yourself Bjorn, driving to the max of the battery is not practical. People need to pee. Tesla 3, Hyundai Ioniq 6 are basically killing this concept. More will come soon. The charging infrastructure is miles ahead. Battery swap may be useful for long distance trucking or battery locomotive engines/trains.

[@Lucas-wp2ph]

I China you can let the swap lady do the swap for you as long as you go to the bathroom or grab something to eat. This would give her something to do😁

[@bjornnyland]

Too bad that's not possible in Europe.

[@alexandruilea915]

@@bjornnyland yet, probably

[@egil-andrenessmortensen3037]

Someone posted in an earlier video that v3 swap stations (that are quicker and has more batteries than v2) will also have LIDAR, which is supposed to make the car be able to do everything by itself. If this is true, the experience would be so much better.

[@brilanto]

Lidar because 'camera only doesn't work'? 🫢

[@Noaixs]

I never think that this swapping station are profitable not now or in the future you need a service person what you have to pay so much moving parts what need maintenance. On this place where the swapping station is you can put 4 or more superchargers they can charge simultaneously and can leave the car. At the end you save 10min each charge not worth it. Nice that NIO developing something like this but when the charging speed is rising this swapping station will be slower.

[@1sheinz]

I disagree with deducting time for the swap stations. This only shows the problems with this system. Here you have only one car using the system what happens when there is 10's of thousands of Nio's on the roads. the swaps will take an hour for that 6 min stop. The extra time with the swap is comparable to slow charger problems and coldgating car charger situations, so time should be left in for this comparason. CHEERS AND SAFE TRAVELS Steve h.

[@billcarter5149]

You should probably do the challenge again. Too many glitches occurred!

[@bjornnyland]

Car not available.

[@brilanto]

Another glitch 😬

[@matthewgee7945]

No deductions - the time is the time..this is real world now, if the process is slow or does not work then thats included.

[@bjornnyland]

Also the 20 minute traffic jam in Gøteborg?

[@balint_szoke]

You were good Bjørn, thanks for the video and your efforts! 👍🏼 This battery swap concept is a joke nowadays (10 year ago it could be good, but now…). You will see, in 3 years Nio must drop out this battery swap projet (maybe in China will be stay)

[@vhol93]

running scandisk, defragging hahahhaa

[@nachocollantes7602]

You have a broken cluster! 😂 Very good one Bjorn

[@reinplat]

The entire swapping process needs to be rethought and redesigned. It should be straight roll in and zero idling. Any analyses should be performed by the car itself long before arriving at the station. And the battery should be in place ready for installation by the time the car is powered down. In its present form, the process is downright infuriating.

Bjørn, I approve your banana peeling, you did it from the right side!

[@boberteroberte]

this is a bit like comparing apples to shoes. I can change shoes when running, going to a shop, try them buy them, get out of the shop etc... or I can keep eating apples for my energy and get at my destination faster. yes, you shouldn't deduct any time but also you shouldn't compare telemetry with cars that can't swap batteries or at least just use recharging in Nio as the other are using, to be fair. I can see the potential of swapping batteries but not for the quickness, more for the new battery maybe better quality battery, or loosing the anxiety of what do I do in 3-4 years if I need to swap batteries in my Tesla well... that's almost impossible etc. also Nio is innovating, a lot, by each iteration, improving quality . that says a lot about the company. I ll buy one in Central Europe when it reaches here 😅

[@hrford]

I feel you should include the base-time as normal but also a total real-world time without deductions. Then people can compare the best possible vs real-life. It might even be able to determine "reliability" scores when trips have small differences between "time with deductions" and "time including random events". It's no longer a vote on if to deduct or not. People can read whichever column they want.

[@megapet777]

If the battery swap takes that long then I dont know if its that helpful. Cars will get faster and faster charging as the tech improves so you will spend similar time anyway charging but you can use the AC, listen to music, do whatever meanwhile. Also what if the machine breaks while you dont have battery in your car and you are in a hurry? That would be disaster.

[@Knud7123]

Deduction, deduction, deduction 🙈

[@andrewroberts1787]

If this deduction trend continues he will end up arriving before he leaves. Then we can start calling him Doc Brown because he's invented a time machine...

[@Random.Adventures.]

wow nio for the win

[@racemouse5014]

Deduct for handshake? Disagree. This is normal real time conditions...

[@gavinderbyshire5535]

The head to head we all wanted to see, great work Bjorn...

[@RunarKjeldsberg]

Battery swap looks like a hassle.

[@nexusgraphix]

Everything with Nio feels like a beta version.

[@pandabear5746]

I think it is convinient as the swap system improves. This test drive is using the Generation 1 Swap platform.

[@Shaolinof36thChamber]

@@GM-lq7sw Sounds like beta test. 8 minutes is ridiculous. I'll prefer fast charging 10 - 15 minutes. While I'm doing my break. Rest room & coffee.

[@StrashniNS]

You should have two columns "perfect time" and "real world time". Even gas cars can run into problems at gas pumps...

[@bjornnyland]

The problem is that real world time is very random. We hit traffic today for example. Pointless to have this time written down at all.

[@StrashniNS]

@@bjornnyland You are 100% correct, if you have a goal to show only the perfect time :) The Real world time can tell the tale of Bjorn travels ;)

[@conglin6965]

Now with any Nio (be it new or 4 years old), with the new 150kwh solid-state battery, you can drive more than 1000km in one charge, live streamed in China this weekend by the CEO himself. Not just a theoretical range. So in summe you can probably do 1200km in one charge. With battery swap you benefit from that battery with just a higher subscription, no need to buy a new car. How about that?

[@pandabear5746]

Looking forward for ET7 to come to California. :)

[@ricardoregado1]

Nice to talk to you Björn in Helsingborg

[@polinicasio]

In this test there is a large temperature difference of 25 to 35 degrees compared to the other tests. We all know that in freezing temperatures EVs have a much smaller range. To do a relevant test I would suggest repeating this test at 15 to 25 degrees. That way we have a realistic comparison.

[@bjornnyland]

What are you talking about? It was not that hot at all. It was winter.

[@etnelav]

the swaps seem to take longer than a tesla charge so i think the swap is debunked....

[@asingc]

​@@bjornnyland I guess he wishes you can retest in summer to avoid the severe low temperature overhead. Maybe test EL7 in two month when it is warm and relaxing again?

[@polinicasio]

@@bjornnyland Most of your tests were done at +20 degrees. This one at -10 degrees. A difference of 30 degrees is too large to properly compare. Regardless of the brand NIO, Audi, KIA, BMW. It is not a criticism but an observation to be able to make correct comparisons.

[@asingc]

​@@etnelav that swap process in my observation was marginally unsuccessful and the Nio staff was next to useless. Apparently Nio has a lot training to do before the whole system can perform at the level it was supposed to be.

[@znzbest2004]

WIlliam Li has just finished a 150kWh 1000km test without battery swap or charging.

[@tisnaedwerk6977]

Might be a good idea to add a collumn to the spreadshiiiiiiiieeeeet for "Glitch time deduction" per car. You can't control traffic or weather, but corps sure can put money in troubleshooting their products.

[@robertgidaa2705]

Opening a banana like that should be illegal 😂

[@pshilling]

Nomi's voice sounds like the Catalyst kid from Mass Effect

[@rune54321]

Such a nice car. A bit too big for me. ET5 is perfect

[@ora10053]

Considering the very low spread of battery swap across Europe, maybe you shouldn't use them yet for 1000 km? Just showcase the eventual time saving if a user get to have one on the route some day in future.

[@Mues_Lee]

ABB Always bring banana

[@Marbellous]

The banana was opened from the short tip which is the wrong end and not from the right end which is the long tip :D

[@bjornnyland]

That's the right way of opening the banana.

[@Marbellous]

@@bjornnyland You don't have to use your mouth on the other end ;)

[@siraff4461]

As I said on the other video - swapping doesn't make any sense. One swap station uses about the same resources as ten superchargers. If one car turns up it might save 20 minutes - lates say half an hour. If two turn up it might save 10 minutes. If three or more turn up you're better off with the superchargers. I see more than three Teslas at the superchargers almost every time I go. You have to remember the swap stations also need to charge the batteries so depending how many and how fast they can do that you will need a lot of batteries or the wait times will just build up because its like having all the cars waiting for one or two rapids. The idea simply doesn't work at scale.

[@dijikstra8]

I think it's a good idea for swapping to a higher capacity battery for when you're going on a road trip or something so you don't have to buy a 150 kWh battery for your normal driving, which would also be quite wasteful, but perhaps not for every day charging.

[@SamuraiTacos1]

interesting concept of battery swapping will it take off in the usa

[@thomasj1148]

Tesla Model S LR vs ET7 in a 1000 km race would be awesome !

[@loneskullkid]

Don't agree with the deduction for left lane huggers. That's going to happen when you do 1000km during the day which you have to do for the battery swap. Only a few mins any way so won't really change anything. Also the spreadsheet I think should have real world time and time with deductions. But anyway thanks for all the vids and the good work you do.

[@ΣτέφανοςΚόκκαλης-τ1ν]

A travel battery like 150kwh and everyday battery 60kwh both with fast charging (High c rate) would be awesome. Battery chemistry options also should be available, summer battery lfp ,etc.

[@GoO0f]

I think Nio made a strategic mistake by not designing for fast charging speeds. Nobody would worry about a dense battery swap grid if the car charged as fast as other comparable brands. The amount of cars you would need sell in order to operate a dense enough swap station network in markets like the US or even Germany/France is probably unreachable. Fast charging + swapping capability would be the value proposition for new markets.

[@siraff4461]

You can't really deduct the convenience charge at the end either because you don't have the option of leaving the charger early. You get the whole charge anyway so any time left over is going to be there weather you want it or not.

[@bjornnyland]

Incorrect. I would have taken another charging stop and gotten 40 kW instead of 16 kW.

[@siraff4461]

@@bjornnyland I mean if you're doing a battery swap you're getting that battery and time regardless. You can't save time by not getting the battery swap unless you don't and then you wouldn't have enough energy. If you would have gone to a charger instead that would have taken just as long anyway so there is nothing to discount.

[@st4849]

Can you do the 2023 Ioniq 5 RWD with battery preconditioning please?

[@callumcurtis15]

The CCS plug needs to improve, it is getting silly now EVs are being sold in such large quantities and you have to hold it a certain way for communication and then if you bump into it it stops charging..... 🤦‍♂️

[@bjornnyland]

Most cars with CCS don't have this problem.

[@maejshbrail2233]

such a great looking car tho

[@egil-andrenessmortensen3037]

in fact its a fantastic car ;)

[@andrewroberts1787]

Range, distance between chargers and charging curve are all we need to calculate the "perfect" time. The point of this is to show a real world time, where poor software causing handshake problems, or blocked sensors causing the car to be unable to park and use the battery swap are what the potential owner is going to experience. This test used to be my gold star standard for judging the road trip suitability of an EV, but you've been going deduction crazy the last few months. You should subtract for traffic delays only (and even then the car gets a benefit because it uses less energy if it traveled slowly)... Even charging stau should not be removed, after all, if a Tesla shows up at a busy SC station and has to wait for a SC that is the current real world state of owning one due to heavy Tesla sales. Equally if a non Tesla has to wait for a charger but the Tesla SC site has availability then they should be aware of that and buy a Tesla instead of joining a line for 1 of 4 DC fast chargers with everyone else. We're supposed to be talking real world here. If an F1 team has trouble changing a wheel due to a jammed gun we don't deduct that time at the end of the race.

[@bjornnyland]

Watch this video. I explain why we deduct. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZfNga2Ioc1loLc Charging queues are all random. The same car can have very different result based on charging stau between two days. And if Ionity expands their network, suddenly the result will become better. That's why we deduct. And if we stretch it this far: Sometimes a Tesla charging stall doesn't give me maximum power. It's rare but it does happen. We should not deduct anything according to your logic then...

[@andrewroberts1787]

@@bjornnyland if the Tesla stall gives you less power than it should (rate, but has happened to me also), and you waste time switching to another stall then no, you should not deduct for it. I get your point re randomness, but that is real life. If you want to base it on optimal then you can do a simple calculation based on charging curve and range, and save yourself 9 hours of time. The only reason to do it in the real world vs on paper is to show the real world vs theoretical time. By your logic, if a car charges slower because it has no pre-conditioning and you unfairly chose to do it in colder weather than some other car, with no preconditioning but optimum outside temperature you should deduct time from charging to make it “fair”. It’s endless… we have a 10 hour test now with an hour of deductions, it’s all become meaningless…

[@RM-sd5yw]

Can you also do a test drive of the EL7 and ET5? I think both are already available in Norway.

[@bjornnyland]

Already booked.

[@pilotandthecity8527]

Disagree much to deductie. It's a fault from the charging system, or even part of the Technology used. it's to much in favor of NIO.

[@chrisubels]

Bjorn! Please test the new Lexus RZ450e with yoke! Yes, yoke! Unlike the Tesla plaid this yoke does not have the roundabout problem!! VERY RECOMMENDED!!

[@Moonsean24]

Battery swap isn't a option today,.

[@Mues_Lee]

Maybe for vehicles that have to be ready in short time, like delivery cars or taxi or for public services like police/fire/health. But for the average driver there is enough time during the day to load. Shopping, working or at night when you are sleeping.

[@Itayc1]

Why do you deduct time ? Total driving time is the full experience ! what if you go with a Tesla to a supercharger and get only 20KW, will you deduct because the charger is slow? probably not

[@edlowry1]

This is great, no trolls can say "but what about when it gets cold" ❤ some small issues though that hopefully will be ironed out, holding the charging cable like an ICE boss

[@allhitstaken6200]

You cannot deduct time when the car says “something is wrong- contact a specialist”. You cannot deduct time for slow “handshaking”. These are properties of the car. You can only deduct time for traffic or if you took extra time to take a shiite, but not if something went wrong with the car while taking your break. Car malfunctions cannot be deducted.

[@MarciOlii]

Long NIO!

[@dsjc_]

Watched some other Nio videos in China, it just seems like a complete different experience where it’s more optimised and suited for China (Obviously). While for Europe it looks like Nio could improve a lot on which makes sense since they’re new but that means it’s more unfair for European buyers and it feels more of a trial and error ownership experience. Maybe once Nio settles their stuff then it would make sense to buy but I don’t see how anyone would consider this over a more legacy brand right now unless you’re a Nio fan. Even Nomi’s voice in Chinese sounds more pleasing while the english version just sounds like an annoying kid 😂

[@bjornnyland]

In my test we had some real world winter to deal with. I bet if I tested in spring or summer, I would have far less issues.

[@nengzhaog297]

Most of EV owners in China are located in south, as are the test medias. South China is not as cold as EU. There is Chinese media tested ET7 in north, at the -15 dgree Celsius, the result is 26.6kWh/100km, pretty similar with this video. Also you can not drive as fast as Björn in China, lower speed reduces the wind drag.

[@maejshbrail2233]

@@jooptablet1727 you can find many american and EU youtubers etc. chinese media isnt controlling all of the internet, take off your hat lol, take a look at Eric G fx.

[@ziggyyo]

NIO is operating about 1.300 swap stations in China. There are still many 50 kW fast charging stations in China.

[@shivan6416]

Deduction for the battery swap is unfair. It is Nio intregrated system. It is "part" of the car. If it fails, thats the way it works. 2 battery swap, 2 3 problems. 1 battery swap pb, 1 Nio advisor away from station and only 75kWh battery available for swapping. This system is not good and no tome should be deducted for these issues.

[@minicirco]

9:25 maybe. But with some small amount of stress factor? Swapping anxiety? 🤔

[@ericvet8b]

11:34 I don’t think you should take time off that swap

[@user-ie8vn6yr1r]

ABB = Always Bring Banana

[@nialli2000]

I still can't decide whether NOMI is a great digital assistant or the most irritating thing in a car!

[@Lse380]

No dediction. This is what it is and a costumer will expirience.