NIO's Battery Swap Madness: The Shocking Reality They Won't Tell You!

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[@teamavenger007]

Also lets not forget NIO already swapped 32 million batteries. Please dont act like they are just starting this out. You can always have both options open.

[@MarekBaberowski]

Actually NIO has 35+ MILLION Battery Swaps.

[@teamavenger007]

@@MarekBaberowski You are more updated with the numbers.

[@CapeFear1]

And what has battery swap done for NIO stock? Not a damn thing, not one iota. I have NIO stock and Tesla stock. NIO is total crap. Wish I never invested in NIO.

[@MoneyMagnet119]

@@CapeFear1 Did you ever say something like this even when the stock price was above $60? If your emotions sway with the stock prices, surviving in the stock market can be challenging.

[@CapeFear1]

@MoneyMagnet119 Been in for 3 and a half years. Steadily invested. Never sold a share. Constantly bought on the dip to get my DCA from 33 a share down to currently 15 a share. Nothing has helped. All I managed to do was sink more money into a loser, because it keeps going down. Even today investor place came out with an article that forecasts a 40 percent drop in NIO stock for 2024, this after a dreadfull 2022 and 2023. Everyone keeps clinging to BAAS as the great hope. But evidently nobody cares about battery swap. If they did NIO would not have fallen this low and so consistently as it has for so long. Same investor place article stated that NIO only has 2 percent of the Chinese market, so don't get your hopes up for success in European or USA market. NIO is just a losing investment period. I have come to grips with that reality already despite my financial interest that it does well. I made a terrible investment. It's not going to come back.

[@jonthemagicmelon4726]

ET7 drove 1030km on one charge live on stream, has tesla come close to this yet?

[@arturmedia]

Nonsense, battery swap works perfect in China they have made more than 33 millions swaps already (probably more). Partnered up with big companies. This will allow for easy battery tech upgrades in the future. Perfect for the taxi industry, trucks, service vehicles etc.

[@thesure1]

or about 26.09 swaps per station per day

[@arturmedia]

@@thesure1 Smh like that. November 31 2023 (according to Cleantechnica) they had 2100 stations and according to to Autoweek they made an average of 60 000 swaps per day (article from 1 Dec 2023) so that would be (60000/2100 = 28,57) approx 28-29 swaps per station per day.

[@fergalfinnerty1705]

40,000,000 swaps and circa 70,000 swaps daily

[@nwhighlander2]

Now 40 million!

[@thesure1]

@@fergalfinnerty1705 70,000/220=31.82

[@sunrisejak2709]

Cars with swappable batteries can also be charged in the same way as a conventional EV. At least it gives you a choice which means flexibility.

[@FutureAZA]

They weigh more, they cost more, they're more complex, and there are more points of failure. All so you MIGHT swap the battery on a road trip? This absurdly expensive road map can't scale.

[@ThanhVo-zr6iy]

They actually cost less…. You buy it without the battery and the car is heavily discounted. More complex how? You literally press a button and it does everything for you. Do some damn research before spreading false info

[@Nivek4g]

EU Regulations will require any devices from phones to cars with batteries to be replaceable and swappable. NIO looks to be ahead of this curve for compliance.@@FutureAZA

[@Nivek4g]

Needless to say, I have doubts on this technology for now as well. I think if NIO was to focus on Battery as a Service (BaaS) for cross manufacturer vehicles, there is definitely a market. Not needing to setup infrastructure, battery design, charging, etc.

[@TB-up4xi]

@@ThanhVo-zr6iy NIO owners pay 2 to 3 times (or more) the upfront cost of the battery over the lifetime of the car.

[@ThanhVo-zr6iy]

Did you do an ounce of research on battery swap before making this video?

[@Eric_Garrison]

No lmao

[@edfritz1569]

Poor research and very biased content.. I could tell from listening to about 30 seconds of your video that you have not done proper DD... 1) you said the swapping can take long if anyone is in front of you... fact: when you are ready to swap, you sign up on the app for a swap, the cloud will put you in queue before you even arrive. Not to mention the wait time for a Tesla charger as well (or even people who just park in those spots ICEing) 2) You mentioned NIO is probablly swapping and giving you a 150 k battery at the station.. Fact: the 150K batteries are not yet in production 3) you mentioned you have an 8 year warranty - what about at 9 years when your battery fails and you have to pay 15 grand for a new one. 4) on the app, you select the battery type you want... its all automated with very little room for error (not as you mentioned. Also, NIO can charge or swap... so its better to have the options. Also, also, if swapping is a scam, then why would two major car companies (so far) partner up with NIO?

[@Roman-re1yg]

Reading some of the comments in here it is very clear that a lot of people don't understand that every NIO car can be supercharged just like a Tesla. Every NIO can be charged in your garage at home or at a supercharger. Going to a battery swap station is just another alternative. I'm located in Canada and I would 100% purchase NIO Even if I didn't think I would swap very often. Knowing that the most expensive part in the car can be swapped out in a matter of minutes is a game changer. Also having the opportunity to swap in the newest technology battery 5 to 10 years down the road in a matter of minutes is also a game changer. EV battery recycling is also much easier with a swappable platform. There are a lot of benefits to swapping that most people don't seem to think about.

[@Carisbrook71]

Clear and concise. Stick to facts and there is no comeback. The Tesla bots are just sad that Elon didn't pursue battery swap. At the time it was too hard and expensive, he tried, he failed. Tesla is an incredible company that, as I've said before, should partner, merge or even acquire NIO ...

[@loginoff2007]

thera even more way how Nio vehicle can be charged: thre is a charging minivan which can come to your place and charge the car. There is also a paid service in China which allows their customers to deligate changing duties to NIO. In short, if you're to busy, then you can contact NIO and their rep can come, pick up your and go to battery swaping or changing station to charge it and return back to you. All thus can be done remotely.

[@TB-up4xi]

It's completely unsustainable - NIO lost over $1Billion USD in Q2 and Q3 2023 - without massive Chinese government assistance they would have been bankrupt many times over. Sure there is some risk avoidance for a 1 time expensive battery replacement but NIO owners end up paying 2 to 3 times (or more) the upfront cost of the battery over the lifetime of the car people will realise shortly that the fear tactics around batteries not lasting are just that - the average LFP battery purchased today will last 800k to 1million miles. Thinking you can swap to "the newest battery technology" is an illusion - the current batteries are interchangeable because they all operate on the same 390v system, the world is moving to 800 and 900v systems - the NIO you purchase today will be forever limited to the 390v system without upgrading the entire electronics of the car. For the cost of 1 battery station you can install 16-20 superchargers, 20 cars can all turn up at the same time and be gone in 15 min - 20 cars turn up at 1 swap station you are in for a 2 hour wait for your turn. When your battery-less NIO is 7 years old and you go to sell it the new buyer is faced with $200 a month for the battery rental + the cost of the car - they will factor this in when they buy the car.

[@Roman-re1yg]

@@TB-up4xi Well I can Tell you that I disagree with all your points. Thanks for the reply though! 🙂

[@user-ny8jt5my1x]

@@TB-up4xi another clueless comment... the 'Loss' NIO makes is all down to the massive R&D spend.... this is what you want to see in a growth company, they have POSITIVE vehicle margin, if they stopped R&D, they would be profitable in about 1-2 qtrs your comment that NIO owners are paying 2-3 times more upfront cost? what are you on about?

[@sharpshot6111]

Why is it worse to have a car that can either charge or swap? Options seem a plus to me.

[@FutureAZA]

Because it adds weight, complexity, and cost, while introducing new and needless points of failure.

[@PGD..]

@@FutureAZA ignorant

[@dennista42069]

​@@FutureAZAAnd less, if the battery has a malfunction you can replace it without dismanteling the car. Also if you sell your car, you don't loose the value of the battery pack which is the most value burning piece in an EV.

[@peterklausner9727]

​@@FutureAZAHave you seen a swap? Do you know how many versions of swapping stations there are? Know how many patents NIO has on the technology? How many stations does NIO have now? How many swapping stations can they build in a day? How many swaps has NIO'S customers accumulatively done? What are the 2 companies that have already partnered with NIO? & How many cars have they sold in 2023 combined? In China or globally?? Brian, I gave you 8 or 9 questions.. Most likely you can't answer 1 without Google!! & here you are talking crap about something you know nothing about.. But you just want to attack it..

[@peterklausner9727]

@NuggetsOut I can do that for you bro. 👍

[@benplumlee751]

Five year old Tesla to have the latest battery technology installed would cost almost what the car cost new. To have it installed in Nio is more simple than a trip to a gas station. Nio is the most beneficial and logical choice for the consumer.

[@FutureAZA]

No one upgrades batteries the same way no one upgrades a transmission. It's not a thing. If you want a better car, it's cheaper to just buy a better car.

[@PGD..]

@@FutureAZA ignorant you are

[@marccourtney5565]

Lol, now you can dinosaur man. It is a thing, it makes perfect sense, it is actually revolutionary in motoring.

[@TB-up4xi]

It's an illusion - you will never get the latest battery technology - all NIO batteries are currently interchangeable because they all sit on the same 390v platform - the world is moving to 800v and 900v systems that will charge in under 10 min. Nobody will be investing in 390v tech. The NIO you buy today will be forever stuck with the 390V system it came with.

[@tonygrant3062]

​@@FutureAZAit just like filling your tank with fuel .. in out .... on your way .... your not very bright

[@stevenanderson9660]

When you buy a NIO you don’t have to purchase a battery with the car. Instead you pay a lower initial price and a monthly fee for swaps.

[@oscaribiza27garcia9]

Only 138$ month and ultimate tecnoligi

[@skasey4080]

depends on size of battery, 75KW batteries are cheaper . @@oscaribiza27garcia9

[@asingc]

That's not entirely true. It's an option. You always can, and most do, buy battery instead of subscription service. Customer who choose to buy battery can still swap and upgrade their battery on daily basis.

[@stevenanderson9660]

@@asingcisn’t that what I said, “you don’t have to purchase a battery “

[@martina5328]

Do the calculation - invest the money you do not use to purchase battery in a fund that follows index at 7.5 %, and look at the results. You are better of renting the battery. Plus second hand value of the car. Buying a Tesla when end of warranty is getting close is a lottery.

[@josephruiz2116]

Your non swappable battery ev value drops substantially due to battery degradation. The battery you buy is the battery you keep. Not a good thing!!! Nio cars get to take advantage of advances in battery tech. Thereby gaining more range over time and keeping more value in the purchase of their automobile.

[@FutureAZA]

That is NOT what Nio is offering. Good grief, Charlie Brown.

[@danijelfirak6402]

@@FutureAZA Yep, that's exactly what Nio is offering, FOR FREE.

[@loginoff2007]

It is not even a question that NIO uses a slow charging in those battery stations during low operations and low evergy cost windows. You need do more analysis on it. Also, Nio swapping stations. (Starting from the version 3)., has an smart features to balance the grid and use least cost charging algos. And it is confirmd that in version 4 there will be multiple LiDars deployed on swapping stations together with 4 Nvidia AI chips. NIO is getting ready for full self-driving. And we should not forget that China is a step away from enforcing an annual battery inspection. NIOs owners are immune to any battery defects, because battery swapping stations also check health of batteries. There also many other advantages of having those stations. NIOs batteries (including 100kWh) are modular. It means that it is much easier to fix and recycle faulty modules. It is an environment friendly approach.

[@stevenliau]

I’m Nio ET5 owner. Everytime when I go for swapping my battery, everyone there will look at me like SuperStar. The feeling is soooo great. But, I’m holding Tesla share because it is protected by politician. No matter how good the China Car is, their share price cannot exceed Tesla. Share is manipulation, nothing to do with company future outlook and performance. As a conclusion, I love swap battery technologies and the swap battery is cheaper than charging as their ready stock swap battery is charged during non-peak hour.

[@FutureAZA]

It's cheap because they subsidize it. That can't scale. You'll feel the pain when they move to revenue neutral or higher. And they will, if they survive.

[@ThanhVo-zr6iy]

⁠@@FutureAZAthere’s a reason they subsidize it…. Because it’s BETTER!

[@shincupper]

​@@FutureAZAAnother nonsense response.

[@dennista42069]

​@@FutureAZAIn Germany it is also cheaper than a lot of fastchargers!

[@user-vc4tr2iu6n]

@@FutureAZA The USA heavily subsidized ev's for USA auto manufactures for many years . Example, GM,FORD,Stellantis, and others. Its not just china !Screw your head on stright before you open your mouth !!

[@dennista42069]

This video is either totally biased or he didn't do his propper research. I don't know where to beginn, there is so much that is not entirely correct or wrong at all. This is so tiring... I already see the comments like... if batteries charge at 400kW, you dont need swap stations... 1. battery swap is still faster than charging with a "peak of 400kW" and 2. imagine 30 stalls of 400kW chargers and how well the grid will handle them. A swap station charges at max with at 80kW per battery, mostly at 40kW. In China, NIO's battery swap has be proven reliable especially with the cloud system that manages things like the location of the swap stations by the density of the users. There are so many advantages that outweigh the disadvantages but people do not tend to look over the edge of the plate. They don' care about grid stability or sustainable arrangement of the charging infrastructure to not create hotspots with a risk of power outage. Like I said, as an engineering student who meets those discussions many and many times this is to tiring...

[@brilanto]

The amount of energy dispensed should be the same - therefore the same issue or not with "grid stability". Tesla proves to be reliable (all these years), they know how much can be taken from the grid (being good engineers) - so what's your point? How does Nio keep the 12 batteries always charged, and Tesla can't provide their stalls?

[@dennista42069]

@@brilanto For the moment it is pretty equalised I agree. In china for example while there were local power outages, fast chargers were disabled while the swap station operated just fine. "Local media and weibo is source". They even stabilized the grid by providing energy to the grid while there were fluctuations. Yes Tesla does a god job distributing the cargers just fine to not overextend the power distribution in local areas. Another point is that with rising charging speeds battery degradation will sooner or later become a more relevant topic. At the moment it's still fine but when you charge with 400kW it becomes more stressfull to the cells. With that storage of more batteries in the swap station it will be less stressful including the charging to 90% which also is there to provide a longer lifespan for the packs.

[@tombudetti5502]

The benefit of swapping is not just time and convenience, it is also eliminating the risk of battery degradation and failure. It also allows the consumer to upgrade their EV with the latest technology instead of staying married to the same battery you bought 7-10 years ago.

[@brilanto]

Is there a guarantee to receive only pristine, latest generation batteries instead of a used one? According to Teslabjorn the lease is fixed, which means, you can't change capacities - nor get newer tech without upgrading also the lease contract... And the monthly pay is higher than the average consumption, so another omission in the details.

[@ordinaryhuman5645]

The funny thing is that it actually ensures people will treat their batteries like they're disposable and they'll degrade even faster. If you only have one battery, you have an incentive to take decent care of it. Nio batteries as a whole are probably going to be ran through pretty harshly.

[@dannylemmon7123]

There is increased risk of failure with battery swapping. Failure of all the parts that have to connect, disconnect and fasten. It’s not just plugging and unplugging, there is also a cooling system to be connected and disconnected. These parts will wear out faster than a battery pack. If it doesn’t make sense for a phone, it makes even less sense for a car.

[@tombudetti5502]

@@brilantoNio owners are given a choice: buy the car and battery but don’t get swapping OR buy the car and lease the battery and you get swapping. Choices are nice to have. I suspect Tesla owners will just buy the car AND the battery when they switch over to Nio. Others will see the inherent benefit of having a swappable battery which include: ease of removal/replacement, eliminating fear of battery degradation, speed of swapping, less footprint than superchargers, new technology as battery chemistry improves, much easier in dense urban environments than charging. Nio swap stations will also include solar panels and are mini power stations capable of selling energy during peak demand times. They are adding 3 stations per day just in China. Expect several more partners in 2024 and also expect swappable technology to be the Standard and not the exception by 2030.

[@tombudetti5502]

@@ordinaryhuman5645Like people aren’t abusing their cars anyway? Most trade in after 5 years and pass that problem to someone else. You hold your fellow humans to a much higher standard than what reality shows

[@felixvandijk5440]

Your video is totally incorrect regarding battery swapping. The NIO drives itself into the swapping station. Also, your Tesla in ten years will be worthless.

[@FutureAZA]

Get back on your meds. This isn't the real you.

[@giorgioc2227]

It look Nio shorter are really scared after December deliveries XD

[@FutureAZA]

Who shorts stocks?

[@charlesd9949]

NIO is great, Battery Swap will allow you to have some of the latest battery tech.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Do the math

[@davidmusial1611]

Still 30min vs 6min....nio wins

[@paintedpony2935]

Doesn't exist. Vaporware. 😅🤣😂

[@TB-up4xi]

@@davidmusial1611 Until there are 5 cars ahead of you.

[@TB-up4xi]

Nope - all NIO batteries are compatible because they all sit on the same 390v platform - the world is moving towards 800v and 900v systems - the NIO you buy today will be stuck forever with the 390v system - nobody, not even NIO will be investing in this superseded battery tech.

[@themidgetsman]

I love these shows. If Elon says it is a good idea they then pretend Elon has already done it. Go back to the videos fawning over battery swap then the day Elon says we are not doing it all of a sudden they are making fun of other companies doing it. Same with Range... When Tesla had the only 400+ range car and were going to go to 500 just 2 years ago these guys made videos about how range was the most important. Then the moment Lucid beat the range "oh range is not important anymore". 1. Battery swap takes 4 minutes. Why would we are adding pulling in and parking unless we do it for charging also??? 2. Cost is much cheaper on average. They may double prices in the future but that is not today. Just like I can't say well gas prices might be 8 dollars so lets calculate fuel cost on 8 dollars per gallon. Also Tesla charging is sometimes cheaper but not normally. 3. With NIO to upgrade your battery you pay a larger monthly rental fee. So you originally paid 150 per month for a 80KWH to upgrade you might pay 199 for a 120 pack. Upgrading a Tesla battery would cost 10+K. 4. Battery leasing can be good or bad depending on your opinion. 5.

[@lb5444]

Nio vehicles give you an option. You can either charge by cable or use their swap station. With Tesla, you can only charge by cable. I'm sure the NIO app will let you know how many batteries, what size batteries and your distance from the nearest swap station. I think its a very good idea and with NIO having installed so many, they've gotten it down to a science. Future swap stations could have multiple bays.

[@FutureAZA]

There's no science. If there was they wouldn't require attendants. They pay more in tech salaries than the charging fees generate.

[@anthonyrobles7544]

You have it wrong my friend battery swap stations are all fully automated without human intervention 😂

[@tonygrant3062]

​@@FutureAZAno they don't... you talk some gibberish

[@brianwall8437]

lol, your whole presentation cracks me up! You really need to do more research.

[@Roman-re1yg]

As of today, January 1st, China put out a new tax rule that directly benefits any company that has removable batteries. Long story short NIO consumers will pay 10% less than if they purchase a car that doesn't have swappable batteries. China is pushing for all EV manufacturers to transition to a swappable platform. And China is by far the biggest electric vehicle market in the world. So no it's not a scam, NIO is already in a bunch of countries in Europe and is coming to North America soon.

[@tombudetti5502]

At the very least, It simplifies the repair/replacement process and also allows new technology not be introduced to older cars without having to actually replace the car. swapping doesn't replace or threaten supercharging, it compliments it and removes the concerns many ICE owners have about going electric.

[@Roman-re1yg]

@@tombudetti5502 Very well said!

[@Carisbrook71]

ditto, this guy is a fear mongering fanboy, I'm sure he holds a position in Tesla. NIO's biggest competitor is actually Apple and not Tesla. Tesla are doing some incredible things and would be wise to partner up with NIO ... Anyway, we need to keep calling out and questioning guys like this@@tombudetti5502

[@kevintanyj]

Well said!

[@TB-up4xi]

NIO sales are a complete disaster in Europe.

[@nwhighlander2]

Quick question. Why did Tesla choose to offer a range extender on their truck which is essentially a swappable battery?

[@FutureAZA]

Who said it's swappable?

[@nwhighlander2]

@@FutureAZA The auxiliary battery module can be positioned in the cargo area while supplying power to the electric motor, and can be removable and reattachable from the electric vehicle.

[@shincupper]

​@@FutureAZAIt would have been interesting to have an actual response and not just calling out the use of the word "swappable". But I also understand that it's difficult to argue for such a clumsy product offering like the CT range extender 😂😂

[@ThanhVo-zr6iy]

@@nwhighlander2 the guy doesn't even do research on a company that he loves… why should anyone trust a single word he has to say?

[@AT_PokemonTCG89]

I like TSLA but also like NIO, this video lacks research on NIO and their BAAS. Please do research and not be so biased.

[@mistercircus]

Sad that someone who is apparently pro electric cars should be promoting false news just the same as the anti electric brigade. Let's keep rational in the side of going of electric please?

[@jonthemagicmelon4726]

If Nio was so insignificant you wouldnt be posting this tripe. 2.1m swaps per month (and rising) says you are completely wrong. Well done for throwing away any credibility you previously had.

[@Hafonso76]

Battery swap was one of Musk goals, he couldn’t do it but technology matured and it looks someone is doing it and according to the numbers NIO is doing it successfully.

[@diytesla]

He could do it just fine, it just didn’t make sense to scale it.

[@rdalby35]

You are correct. This guy clearly doesn't know what he is talking about and is just pushing Tesla. Uh...what's the name of his channel?

[@rogerstarkey5390]

​@@rdalby35 And your credentials?

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Battery swap was a technology Tesla *investigated* . How many others do you think they have looked at BEFORE deciding they might work at small scale, but not globally Remember that Tesla borders on fanatical regarding efficient use of resources..... This isn't.

[@paulb1951]

What numbers? Nio are virtually bankrupt, so what numbers? Losses?

[@biddie868]

Another misinformed Tesla fan. Please read about Nio income statement to know about their cost. Swap station is profitable and cost a fraction to build now with strategic partners. Nio also have super chargers which is as good as superchargers. Nio has implemented more superchargers than Tesla in China. Seems you don’t know that either. With Nio, you can swap,charge and upgrade your battery. That’s why it’s a better choice than Tesla. I like you but please read more information before making a video. This video won’t age well.

[@oscartrevino7058]

Also when the battery on a tesla dies, and then their out of warranty. It cost more than the car is worth to swap out that old one for a new one in a tesla.

[@biddie868]

@@oscartrevino7058 not necessarily but I heard it’s about 10k to change to new battery with a Tesla.

[@oscartrevino7058]

I've seen articles where it shows a little bit more and sometimes outrageous amounts but I would go with a nio.

[@lyfebehyndbars9729]

Now I’m jealous. I’ve never paid under $0.36 per KWH at a supercharger.

[@Harrythehun]

I appreciate that Nio exists as an option for us consumers.

[@King_Julio_Cesar]

Is funny when he says 6 mins not counting if there s cars in front of you, as if when people charge their Teslas there s no waiting involved 😂

[@FutureAZA]

I've literally never waited at a Supercharger. Not even on busy travel holidays. Not even while in a caravan to a big Tesla event.

[@TB-up4xi]

1 Charge station costs the same to set up as 16-20 superchargers, 20 people can all turn up at the same location at the same time and all be gone in 15 min - 20 people turn up at a swap station at the same time you're in for a 2 hour wait.

[@ricoperillo4120]

Nice try but Nio will Lead in the end😂

[@FutureAZA]

I've heard that for years, but it was Lucid or Nikola or Vinfast. Math doesn't lie. This has more red flags than a red flag store on BOGO red flag day.

[@ricoperillo4120]

@@FutureAZAof couse they have red flags their made in china , it's over for Tesla

[@dagmelka]

Do you and Electric Viking have a child together? I can't wait for the Tesla Brat Channel 😅

[@FutureAZA]

Not that I'm aware of, but I had some wild times in my youth, so never say never, I guess.

[@frankiedehockie]

Battery Swapping is superior. 1- Battery degradation: You can change a degraded battery with no cost. 2- Upgrade: You can upgrade from a 75kw battery to 100kw if you need to go on a trip.

[@FutureAZA]

It's a dead end and anyone who tells you otherwise hasn't crunched the numbers.

[@ImpetuzViscus]

What you did miss by about a mile, is the cars are WAY cheaper, since you do not have to buy the battery, thats why theres a lease on it. Imagine everytime you took your ICE car to service they would fit a refurbed engine, how on earth can that be a bad idea? And if you are going on a long trip, you can opt in for a bigger battery, for a small fee. Go ask Tesla what they charge you for a bigger battery, compare that to what Nio would charge in upcale on the battery lease, since you can opt out again?. Yes there will be extended time on waiting for a battery swap, the more cars you will get on the road, just like Tesla had when there was 2-5-7 houres wait at some stations (guess you forgot to add that to the chart) And guess what, if theres a 2 houre line at the swap station, just supercharge it, and move along, noone says you HAVE to swap it, its an option. Only thing i do agree with, they need to suit more cars, not just Nio, that would be as stupid as Tesla making there own charger for the own cars.....hey wait!. *facepalm*

[@martina5328]

It also actually makes economical sense to rent the battery if you put the money you save at purchase in an index fund following the stock market (7.5% revenue on average)

[@yvettewhite7496]

Battery swap is the future my friend. It erases battery anxiety.2. Removes the need to check the quality of your battery since that now bacomes the responsibility of NIO. 3. Allows you to buy the car without paying for a battery.

[@user-go2ip6yb5u]

How many Tesla carshave caught fire ? How many Nio cars have caught fire 0

[@rogerstarkey5390]

But swap stations do!

[@user-go2ip6yb5u]

@@rogerstarkey5390 Yea when ?

[@IllumiBrain]

😂😂😂😂. Even if your numbers are right. Autonomous/Robotaxis is where the big money will be. Battery swaps is the only way for unattended 24x7 robotaxis. NIO can do that now. What about others? 😅😅😅

[@tribalypredisposed]

First, Nio is nowhere on the road to having robo taxis, so not a benefit for Nio. Maybe another company uses their swapping stations for their own robo taxis, okay small benefit. But Tesla is working on induction charging for just this reason, so robo taxis can just park over the induction charging station and recharge and then autonomously charge.

[@FutureAZA]

No they absolutely can not. Nio stations have attendants.

[@IllumiBrain]

some of the new swap stations don't have attendants. They go around just to do maintenance. Gen4, 5,.... and so on will probably require even less maintenance. @@FutureAZA

[@IllumiBrain]

any taxi company can buy NIO cars for robotaxi later. And you are right that others can partner to pay a fee using swap. I believe Tesla induction charging is wireless, that will take even longer to charge. Here is a video NIO NOP+ and swap battery. This is not ready for robotaxi? Is there a company out there that can do this or better? kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYSygXyObNKCrK8 @@tribalypredisposed

[@ThanhVo-zr6iy]

@@FutureAZA those were the older NIO swap stations. The newer generations don’t need attendants. You clearly did no research.

[@Sooraj09073]

Try charging in winter -25° C, super charges will be super slow, on a road trip swapping is the best options. Nio swapping station is doing slow chargeing and it can do it when electricity price is low or negative. Price of electricity is less compared to DC fast charging when price of Electricity is .75 to 1.5$.

[@FutureAZA]

Nope. Lars from Best in Tesla took a road trip through the artic circle in the dead of winter to prove how batteries do just fine in extreme weather. Tesla Bjorn has made years of videos showing extreme weather driving and charging. You're mixing a variety of incomplete information to draw a fundamentally flawed conclusion.

[@MrLhasa1]

Oh my god 6 min to swap 😂

[@ambiguousdoor]

I used to live in NoCal and the supercharging stations in my proximity are always packed. There were many times I had to wait 15 minutes plus to pull in and 30 min or so to charge so I think the swapping is ok. Tho battery leasing seems sus. What is the long term cost of leasing the battery vs owning? Plus in a few years all the batteries will be worn and degraded. How often will NIO service their batteries?

[@martina5328]

I did the calculation. Put the money you save on purchasing a car without battery into an index fund following the stock market (at 7.5%). Then deduct the cost of renting battery every year. Plus two free swaps a month. It is a better deal to rent the battery.

[@Svarog0815]

lol clickbait for Tesla fanboys

[@henryt7170]

Replace battery is 60000$ in 10 years More than you buy new car the fees included charge

[@arguanmodeth]

Swapping is better than charging for Taxis and delivery vehicles, especially unmanned ones. Running a vehicle 24/7 would ruin a battery that had to be fast charged 3 times a day. But if you swap instead of charge, the battery can be charged slowly and carefully while the car is off working.

[@markplott4820]

FALSE , People are already charging at HOME to 100% overnight on 240v. the leave home w/ 100% charge and battery is optimized for Driving and cabin is heated , outside is Defrosted. the car can Drive for 24H on single charge . on a 80 kwh battery. TESLA model 3 RWD is most Efficient in WORLD , over 132 mpg. can Probably operate 48H Streight.

[@andrewradford3953]

Thermal management avoids heat damage during fast charging.

[@markplott4820]

@@andrewradford3953 - MOST BEV have very CRAPPY BMS , unlike Tesla.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Unless you have A LOT of packs, you're still inputting the same amount of energy, in a similar time for the packs to be *ready* to swap. . The physical location of the pack doesn't matter, it still needs the energy input.

[@wngimageanddesign9546]

Nonsense. Battery swapping means every pack must be fast charged to be available for the pending next swap. therefore ALL packs are worked hard all the time, with no chance of slow charging overnight in a garage like a Tesla. So, the pack you get, you have no clue of its overall healthy and longevity. Will you treat it gently, no, it's not your's and will be gone by the next swap. It gets abused. All swapped packs get abused. Just like rental cars, except the analogy is 'rental' packs.

[@charlespichan9619]

Solid breakdown on each point! I love at the 10 min mark you commented on cross engineering..🤣🤣🤣

[@oscarmassey9388]

I guess I just don't understand why would a Tesla on it even be concerned about Neo you already own a Tesla just be happy but all the misinformation has definitely decided for me to go to Neil So Much incorrect information on this video have you not seen the live stream the railroad test that the CEO did everyone has the internet and are able to do their own research I don't understand why you would put out incorrect information if only someone has to do is click on a button and see actual information

[@FutureAZA]

Because stock pumpers like you are trying to defrauded investors with lies. Nope. Not without pushback.

[@calisthenicsnoob9990]

To charge you also need to park get out plug in the cable which adds a few extra minutes, so whats your point buddy?

[@FutureAZA]

Don't make stuff up when you've never done it. It's more like 5 to 10 seconds.

[@calisthenicsnoob9990]

@@FutureAZA anyone that drives have parked a car before buddy, and that alone takes a few seconds, I'd like to see you park, get out, plugin in 5 seconds. Your ignorance on swapping is ridiculous btw

[@yvettewhite7496]

Battery swap is the answer to range anxiety my friend. NIO will win out in the end.

[@FutureAZA]

If they weren't lying about the 620 mile battery, they wouldn't be making new swap stations. You know they're lying about something, it's just impossible to know if they're lying about everything.

[@tonygrant3062]

​@@FutureAZAthink tesla are the lies ... Google tesla scandal... lie about range ... being sued for it, lied about self driving being sued for it ... nio don't need to lie.... as you are just swapping the battery , and did a live test on range recently to ... your an idiot ... Google tesla scandal???

[@martina5328]

NIO has money until 2028 at current cash burn rate. So there are no worries or need for funding.

[@FutureAZA]

That's not quite how it works. COH can't be spent down to zero because it creates a death spiral. Anything below $2-2.5b might as well be zero because you lose the ability to borrow, and even buy components. When Elon said they were "almost bankrupt" they still had billions in the bank, but the reality is that a large and growing company needs that in order to prevent a massive sell off.

[@antoinepageau8336]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but Supercharging in my area (Quebec) is now above $0.50/kWh. A recent 650 mile trip with my model 3 LFP cost $95 CAD. Ok still a little lower than gas but it’s twice as much as last year. I’m concerned.

[@snookmeister55]

How does that compare to the price of electricity at home?

[@antoinepageau8336]

Good question, at hime is 1/5th the price at $0.09/kWh @@snookmeister55

[@normandgiroux7757]

I’m sorry to tell you it’s time to cut your hair you need 1 inch on top of your head When you don’t have nenough hair in top of your hair, there’s a time to cut it😂😂😂😂

[@FutureAZA]

But then you'd have no reason to comment.

[@tonydeveyra4611]

Battery swap is an AMAZING technology...for motorcycles. Once the battery is too large for a human to pick up and handle, there's just too that can go wrong.

[@blakeo8407]

Let’s be honest here. Do you think this guy would ever post a video supporting a business model other than Tesla’s? That answer is no. His channel is called “My Tesla Weekend.” His job is to kill any other business model that is not Tesla’s. Did he mention you can reserve spots at the swap station and book a time slot to swap? No. He wouldn’t say that. His job is to kill the swapping model. All folks need to do is track the data. The data says that NIO customers prefer swapping over charging. It’s quick and convenient. You don’t have to leave your car. And it’s fully automated. Humans love automation. NIo is doing 70k swaps a day. The payback period on a swap station is less than a year. Run the numbers. It’s definitely a sustainable model.

[@mickcarroll1274]

Go back to bed with E because you have TESLA written across your forehead. NIO's CEO drove a NIO with their newly released 150 kWh semi solid state battery over 670 miles in 32 degree temperatures, with 3% charge left. This was broadcast live. These batteries are going to be available in their swap stations. How about that cyber truck when wanting extended range? A huge battery pack, at $$$$$, must be purchased and installed in the bed, taking up 1/3 of bed space. If needing extended range with a NIO, simply swap out. It adds very little weight and fits without taking up any extra space. Again, don't take time to read this because E's waiting.

[@FutureAZA]

Solid state? Oh sweet summer child. If they had a 620 mile car, they'd stop making swap stations. If they had a 620 mile SOLID STATE battery, they'd stop making cars and just be the biggest battery giant in the world by a factor of ten.

[@dougellis2216]

Question why did Tesla try to do this in the first place answer AUTONOMOUS charging...look at the big picture ..not the now

[@bohdanskrynnyk1576]

When trying to understand the reason Nio embraced swapping battery technology for the future, it becomes evident that we are heading towards a resource-oriented economy. In this future, technology will rely on our ability to recycle everything, including batteries. Now, the main question is, what is the easiest way to manage all new and old EV batteries-charging them, repairing, and recycling them after their life cycle? The answer is that we need to build an ecosystem where we can gently detach the battery and then proceed with various actions. This process has to be automated by robotics, as every second matters. By creating swap technology, Nio is addressing these fundamental requirements for future society, while others, including Tesla, do not. Yes, it is more expensive than just plugging a cable into your car and waiting 40-60 minutes to charge, but after 5 to 7 years of intense recharging, your Tesla battery will lose its capacity, and you may end up in tears paying around $20,000 to $28,000 (excluding labor costs) for a new battery again. As many others have already mentioned, if you want a new battery technology with Tesla, you have to buy a new car. In contrast, Nio owners can simply press a button, and everything will be done automatically while they wait for 5 minutes in line. At this point, I do not care if it's 5 or 6 minutes I have to wait, but the entire process is automated, resulting not just in a charged battery but also in a new-tier battery with better technology. All arguments in favor of Tesla are very weak, as understanding them requires being an engineer or being very well-educated.

[@FutureAZA]

EVERY Nio for forever is stuck with the same form factor and voltage architecture. That will cause them headaches if they survive that long. It's a bad idea in every way, but the cost is what will kill it first.

[@bohdanskrynnyk1576]

The form factor does not need to be changed often. In fact, why would you need to change your battery form factor from one car model to another when it is about the same size? You want to establish a standard among them so that it will be super easy to manage all of them in the future. In the case of Nio, they have to take care not only of their batteries but also of their partner's batteries. This is only possible when you build a unified standard that will be used across multiple car platforms. Otherwise, how are you going to scale up quickly for a country like China? Regarding Nio's voltage architecture, everything is good; it is already a standard named "Global 900V high-voltage architecture." You can use an adapter, so you will be able to charge your Tesla from Nio Power. And don't worry about costs. With each new generation of their swap, the costs will only get lower.

[@ankushdhiman5867]

I don’t know about NIO but BaaS model with swapping technology is not bad given that you can get a new battery with higher capacity at the end of lease instead of buying a new car. Battery swap is more suitable for freight where you need high battery capacities for towing heave load across the country. As battery capacity increases they will take more time to charge. While swap will take almost same time no matter the capacity of battery.

[@Itsblarezs13]

Idk I rather sit in car and wait for swapping than going out and plugging cord in during winter storms my Tesla died on me during winter storm

[@FutureAZA]

More people win the lottery than got stuck in the freeze. That swap station wouldn't have worked in that instance either.

[@slowercuber7767]

In Alabama (USA), at home (where I usually charge (TVA supplies, APCO is a little more)) cost is about 11 or 12 cents per KWH. At superchargers I've paid most recently 34c/kwh in Alabaster and 37c/kwh in Leeds, Huntsville and Gardendale back in the summer. Seems like you are actually getting better over on the left coast.

[@SokTheaTin-mk4so]

do you understand how long your battery will last and how long the warranty is then what you going to do with car junk it or replace new battery or it worst to do that nio you can rent the battery drive it for another 2 to 3 hundred thousands more before you junk your car

[@FutureAZA]

It's $199 a month. The first $20k of your lease is while IRA stil under warranty. Who would choose that?

[@fergalfinnerty1705]

Hey man , i always watch your videos along with The Limiting Factor. I have to agree with other commenters here that you have not done your DD on this topic. Even if it takes 6-10min for a swap these swaps will soon be done at night time autonomously and incredibly orderly eliminating queues , congestion, frustrations, grid stress, battery stress etc etc etc. And with China on target to produce over 400Mw from renewable energy sources these battery swap stations double up as virtual power banks that become a win win win for state, comoany and customer

[@FutureAZA]

SOON? We're nowhere close to that, and they don't have access to the tens of billions you'd need to build out that infrastructure. It's one of those concepts that looks good on paper, like hydrogen, but entirely collapses once you start trying to draw out the logistics to make it actually work.

[@jdub300x]

I'll bookmark this video and return in a year. It doesn't sound like you actually follow real NIO owners at all! You mentioned battery degradation but if you never own why would you care? The swapping model is very similar to buy gas today. You might want make sure you do all the research befor just bashing the idea your missing so many key points of what Nio is offering.

[@FutureAZA]

You won't come back in a year. You guys never do. You just drop angry comments and slink away in shame. I cover companies and claims like these for a living. I succeed because I'm almost never wrong.

[@jdub300x]

@@FutureAZA it's not an angry post I left. This is the first time I've seen of your videos in my feed. Could you have been right in the past sure, but tailoring your logic to work in Tesla's favor here the facts just don't work out. I actually love Teslas, but if given the opportunity to drive car where I could swap the battery or send my car to a swap station over night to swap while I'm sleeping sounds like a lovely idea. I'm guessing you missed that video. 😂😂😂. I hope you don't shut your channel down I'll be back.

[@jason9154]

that's the idea behind partnering for battery swap bud, they create a standard that everyone follows, they're not using NIO's existing swap stations they're funding to build new ones. do a little research first I have a Model Y and the batter range sucks, you can only charge to 90% and nobody goes to 10% before charging you really only have about 200 miles for people that commute that would only last 2-3 days before having to charge again compared to gas cars the fill up gas every 1-2 weeks

[@FutureAZA]

That doesn't create a standard. That pidgeon holes you into outmoded designs. Any potential benefits will expire before they roll out. Automotive product development cycles are 3-5 years, even in China.

[@TB-up4xi]

So your Y is 100-150 miles a day assuming you don't also run your gas tank to 0 constantly that's 800-2300 miles per tank filling once every 7 to 14 days when at 10% The illusion that you will have access to 'new technology' is just that an illusion - The NIO you buy today will be forever stuck with it's current 390v platform as the world moves on to 800v and 900v systems - NIO is not investing in new technology on what will soon be an outdated platform.

[@Erdie5]

This is like arguing against smartphones with user serviceable batteries. I don't care about the swap stations, but I would sure appreciate these batteries to be easily swappable for a fee when the time comes. It's around $400 in a Nio if you want to swap your owned battery for a new one.

[@FutureAZA]

They can't sell parts for 90% off. That would bankrupt them.

[@mr.m3652]

Hertz & Sixt auto rental bought in to TSLA.... how did that work out? NIO has partnered with 8 auto OEM's. More will follow. Back feeding the local grid will propel NIO battery swap as a standard. How many global and US patents are filed for Battery Swap? Do some research and find out.

[@Derpy1969]

What is X?

[@Nikiforos2002]

During vinter and cool days people have to wait dubble long for charging and even pay for more electricity then they get in the car... From 5% -90% it takes more the 50 minutes in a Tesla fast charger ..

[@FutureAZA]

99% of humans will never experience that kind of cold even once. Don't pretend this cold snap is common.

[@635574]

The zeekr 007 can charge 0-100 in 15 minutes and even faster for partial. And yes its in production already.

[@markplott4820]

zeeker is a POORLY built car and it wont LAST long. average 2023 TESLA lasts 40+ years.

[@Sirtubeallot]

@@markplott4820 The car might but the battery won’t. The NIO owner will not need to worry about the battery degradation if they choose to swap it.

[@TB-up4xi]

@@Sirtubeallot The average Tesla LFP battery bought today will last 800k to 1milion miles.

[@TB-up4xi]

@@markplott4820 Not sure where you get your information from but, Zeekr (not Zeeker) are made by the Geely group (Volvo, Lotus, Polestar etc.) have very high build quality - they are the premium touring options from the group and sit above both Polestar and Volvo in terms of build quality and definitely above Tesla - I can say this confidently as a Tesla owner.

[@martina5328]

That kills the battery.

[@Poxenium]

6:00 I only saw the simpsons episode with Max Power ... Max Range must be a distant cousin...

[@DougJessee]

I traveled to New Jersey and back for the holidays… I think I charged once for 22 minutes? But we wanted to charge to have extra range when we arrived at our hotel (it was going from 40s to 30s). Oh, that morning, charged before we left, took more than 20 minutes, but part of that was heating up the battery pack so it could charge faster. But that was mostly because I didn’t think to charge while the battery was still warm the night before.

[@DAM1825]

Yeah, I am I’m not sure I buy this case for not having the swap. It seems to me that they wouldn’t put the wrong sized battery into your vehicle. That would be a no go

[@FutureAZA]

What happens if they run out of whichever battery you're supposed to get? The shape is the same between them, only the capacity is different. Do you want to wait and hope someone brings one back that's the right size, or take one that's not the right size? It's a logistical mess.

[@mbeliv3763]

Those greedy KZbinr influencer are so greedy they just think about clickbait for their bank account, no happy new years So disconnected for money

[@FutureAZA]

I won't lie to you for money and I'm not an influencer. I'm am analyst. Watch the video and wise up.

[@laurentgagne892]

what if they make their swap under a minute? ;) staying in the car when its -20 is a plus too ;)

[@FutureAZA]

You joke, but there are whole dumbasses who could day something like that with a straight face. Less than 1% of the world lives in such places, and it's seldom so cold more than 1% of the time even for them. It's as nonsensical as the people who WANT Cybertruck to be bulletproof. It just doesn't matter.

[@user-om1el9nl4d]

Short guy😂

[@user-qs1gr9nz7n]

There are lines with Tesla, too. It takes around 30 minutes to get 55% on a supercharger. I take 90% at 7mins. Why should I have the same battery pack in my Tesla for 5 years? How long is the wait to make a warranty claim. While im getting ubers for a month. You can still supercharge an NIO. When you compare the quality of the finish on NIO, i take an NIO all day, I can't wait till NIO hits Australia. Bye-bye Tesla for me.

[@FutureAZA]

I've never once waited at a supercharger, and I've driven all over the country. 30 minutes to 55% is something I've never seen.

[@tombudetti5502]

Usually I enjoy your videos as you are well informed and reasonable. However, your bias and lack of research is quite apparent in this video. Comparing charging to swapping is like comparing apples to oranges. You have completely missed the value and benefits of having an EV that is capable of battery swapping. Tesla Homers are shaking in their boots

[@ordinaryhuman5645]

Routine swapping is incredibly stupid. Swappable at end of battery life might not be, but ought to be moot given improving batteries and long warranties, so that will also be stupid in hindsight.

[@kingcarlobossio7067]

Honest question when you can charge your car in 5 minutes, will you still be saying this? I don't know about you but when I go to a gas station I don't want them to change my gas tank! Plus it's a big waste of money and energy!

[@tombudetti5502]

@@kingcarlobossio7067 it's MORE than just being able to swap in a few minutes. It's ease of replaceability, elimination of warranty concerns, solves the "I live in an apartment" reason. Before swappable propane tanks, folks had to refill. Now with swappable propane hardly anyone refills. People WANT convenience. Us EV owners understand how easy and quick it is to charge and how long batteries last but the average ICE Joe and Jane are still stuck on Gas Station thinking. Battery swapping solves those issues too.

[@qwazy0158]

This may be lost on you, but still, I'll try... Ask yourself, what element is the most expensive/rarest/critical in an EV? The answer is the battery. Does it then make any sense to make a surplus of this element in relation to the number of vehicles available? Shortsighted short term thinking says yes; for the consumer because they save on the battery costs (because it isn't included). The manufacturer will not improve the battery because the focus will be on increasing the quantity of the current spec, and there is no incentive to rapidly improve it. The single greatest thing EV's allow for, and which all big players are afraid of, is the level of independence it affords consumers. The swapping model diminishes this advantage greatly. Watch Tesla closely, and you'll notice they are making moves that benefit us all.

[@bitcoinman9202]

Battery swapping is such a moronic idea, to get idiots to buy the crappy stock.hook Line and sinker lol

[@odzergaming]

Nio battery swap is free in China and took 2 min when I drove from Beijing to Shanghai

[@FutureAZA]

Nothing is free. If you aren't paying for it, at least you can understand why they're hemorrhaging cash.

[@darrenschmitz2712]

In addition to issues you brought up add to the fact that as time passes fasteners and connectors on the car will wear out, break, or have corrosion issues, (road salt). Also, the swap equipment will require maintenance over its entire lifetime to replace worn out parts. If the swap equipment fails for any reason there likely is no backup.

[@MarcoNierop]

There is a backup.. Just go to a charging station, NIO's have a charging plug and can be fast charged.. I even think most NIO owners never swap their battery and just charge the battery, because Swapping stations are not really abundant. I have seen one under construction at Emsburen, Germany, a few months ago, right beside 30 or so Tesla Super charger stalls. Coming summer I will try to visit this place again on my way to Germany, to see what it is like and if the swap station is actually in use a lot.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

​@@MarcoNierop So if "most Nio owners never (rarely) swap anyway..." It's a lot of cash for little benefit? . Just a thought.

[@MarcoNierop]

@@rogerstarkey5390 Yes, this is true.... If you have been standing in line for an hour to get your battery swapped, I guess most people are cured of the false narrative battery swapping is a good idea.

[@denero66]

Battery swaps were just an interim solution until charge times drop further. With every new version, the time drops further. I would be concerned if I buy a new Nio with a new battery and then constantly swap it out over time. What quality of the new battery am I getting? What is the resale value of my Nio once I decide to sell? May be I should make sure I get a battery with more of its capacity remaining when I decide to sell. As Sandy Munro once said, this is a good interim solution but it will not stand the test of time.

[@smellmymusk3324]

Charge times are already with Tesla nothing. I never have an issue and they always work and are fast. In just over a year and a half and over 32k in miles on my model Y I have been to a super charger a hand full of times

[@denero66]

@@smellmymusk3324Agreed. And it will only get better. Supercharger V4 even faster. And future generations will be even better. The technology already exists, just a question of ensuring batteries maintain their performance and capacity levels.

[@PGD..]

🙄

[@smellmymusk3324]

@@reginald7214 the only stock we are laughing at is nios stock price. My tsla has out preformed nio stock and my Tesla out performs nio. Maybe in 7 years we will start seeing them here on the east coast, but as far as today goes all I see are Teslas everywhere for a reason

[@Dynamicrop]

NIO Batteries used to have 32 modules. Whenever the BMS (Battery Management System) detects a faulty or degraded module, it will be marked to be temporarily removed from circulation, where NIO repalces the degraded module. This way all the Batteries in circulation will always be perfect. NIO EV owners never need to worry about battery degradation. The Battery SWAP Station also automatically performs a full health check of each EV & Battery during a SWAP. Once every 1-2 years, NIO would offer a new battery (with improve tech & capacity) for NIO EV users to upgrade to (if they want and/or willing to pay for the upgraded battery), so instead of being married to a degrading battery for years, the opposite happens - they'd end up with a Battery with better capacity every 1-2 years (instead). If you sell the NIO, the new NIO owners always get the latest Battery (with the option to upgrade it every 1-2 years as usual)

[@eddiegill]

Grew up in a small Massachusetts town of 16000. For years they had 6 Tesla super chargers at the mall Parkin lot. Over the Fall they added 12 more to same site plus a Megapack battery. They were installed quickly

[@jonevansauthor]

In Norway they have 800 space car parks with 800 chargers. It's definitely what will happen in cities of the future and they won't all need to be fast chargers.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

@eddiegill You just described the business model moving forward. Install "cheap" chargers, quickly. Install a Megapack. Leverage energy arbitrage with Autobidder. It doesn't matter if the "cheap" chargers are busy all day, or perform 5 charges of 20 minutes each. The aim was (is) to create a "stealth" energy grid. . They'll power their own cars, other vehicles using the location, the local grid. . Plus *I* believe we'll see a Tesla Semi on an overnight "trickle charge" at "car" locations before long. . (A battery 10x the capacity of a Model Y taking 10x the time to charge on a similar charger.... 8-9 hours 10-90+%? . Effectively a "home charger" for trucks. . That provides more income from the chargers, . Makes the case for more Megapacks And Provides a ready made usable overnight network for a growing Semi fleet)

[@eddiegill]

@@rogerstarkey5390 perhaps a solar installation covering parking lot

[@tejashkubar420]

With swap you can change if u have a bad battery.. how about tesla??

[@FutureAZA]

It's called a warranty.

[@vincentdcunha4914]

Warranty for life?????😂

[@MbT379]

Enjoy your observations. I really think that the future of fast charging will be tiers: Ultra, Premium and Standard. You will pay accordingly for a faster and prioritised charging session. Battery swapping could be one option, but to me this is too complex. Prefer just to plug in for 15 minutes.

[@markplott4820]

TESLA is mostly making 1000v 350 kw DC fast chargers.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

​@@reginald7214 You sound pretty "cultish" to me? Maybe just too much coffee?

[@ChristWinsEverytime]

This video is a big yikes

[@FutureAZA]

Ah, you must not be familiar with my track record on these. That's fair, but you should know I've never missed yet.

[@blackhippiechick]

You are welcome to come back in 5 years and eat these words. I believe in NIO.

[@FutureAZA]

Read through my earlier replies.

[@Hafonso76]

Your video is obviously biased are you scared of what innovations NIO can bring to the EV field?

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Your comment "seems" biased, are you concerned Brian might be correct? (How are those Nio shares doing? ...maybe?) . If you actually LOOK, you'll see he is quite enthusiastic about innovation in the EV space and covers all brands (ref his fully charged reports) He also calls out potential BS when he sees it. (As do I)

[@dealerovski82]

I never believed in battery swaps, just made no sense to me. but for some reason some people think that is the only solution for a EV revolution. I would never use amazing in the same sentence as batter swap.

[@martina5328]

And why is it bad to able to swap your battery and not charge it with cable every single time? We know that supercharging kills the battery. So why is it bad to have the option to swap ? ..you can still charge a NIO with a cable. What if all the cables are busy?

[@dealerovski82]

@@martina5328 its expensive and full of unexpected issues.

[@nwhighlander2]

This guy sounds worried.😂

[@FutureAZA]

We're worried for investors unaware how much dilution is on the horizon.

[@ralphpetry1745]

This is the same as the problem with Hydrogen. A good snake oil salesperson can make it sound amazing but some back of the napkin math quickly proves it is not economically feasible. Nio is not even breaking even on electricity costs with their current rates, never mind the costs of extra batteries, complex engineering, expensive swap stations, fancy lounges etc. When the time comes to pay the piper, it will collapse like a house of cards.

[@markplott4820]

Hydrogen , only becomes Viable when we have 80% Renewables .

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Agreed I've described swapping as "the Hydrogen of batteries" previously. Thanks for reminding me.

[@markplott4820]

@@reginald7214 - battery swap is a PUMP & DUMP ponzi scheme. NIO wont break EVEN .

[@lesbendo6363]

👍👍 Happy New Year Brian!

[@FutureAZA]

Happy new year!

[@IamJohnnyFan]

This guy hasn't seen the news about the two hyundia EV that got battery damaged which cost more than the car itself to repair. The repair was quoted 60k. Clearly this guy is a Tesla fan boy lol

[@FutureAZA]

And yet you brought up Hyundai. Very odd indeed.

[@IamJohnnyFan]

LOL i wish@@FutureAZA

[@universeisundernoobligatio3283]

Battery swapping and winter how will it work? Underneath a car in the Canadian winter, everything is covered in frozen sandy salty slush that has to be removed. The swapping station will have to get rid of all the salt otherwise it will get on the exposed electrical contacts, long term corrosion from salt will rot the contacts out. Salty surfaces and 800VDC do not get along.

[@markplott4820]

Early TESLA model S worked FINE in Alaskan Winters. my Sister owned a 60kw RWD , ZERO issues. she charged to 100% overnight on 240v.

[@allthelight1228]

You do know it snow In china right 😂😂

[@universeisundernoobligatio3283]

@@markplott4820 How often did she swap her battery?

[@markplott4820]

@@universeisundernoobligatio3283 - NEVER , when LR model S came out , she Traded.

[@josephruiz2116]

Battery degradation is real!!!!!!!!!

[@carlwilliams7028]

Just being able to change the battery for a new one is much better than a tesla even at 20 mins.

[@FutureAZA]

Only if your battery is garbage. If you think Nio has garbage batteries, definitely don't buy one.

[@jonathannumer5415]

The amount of infrastructure needed to swap out tons of vehicles would be huge

[@tombudetti5502]

Plenty of real estate with gas stations on them to convert and use.

[@tombudetti5502]

Spoiler alert: You can CHARGE a swappable battery too. You don't have to swap if you don't want to, but it sure is nice to have that ability than not to have it.

[@paulfun8720]

picture a carwash that includes a battery swap option -

[@markplott4820]

My Tesla weekend - than you for Doing this. can you also Analize AMPLE battery swap & their FALLICY ?

[@Eric_Garrison]

Can you explain why in your scenario you’d pay for a large battery and get a small battery? Lmao

[@FutureAZA]

Wow, seriously? If you have more than one size, you're not going to carry twice as many, but a mix of big and small. If you're running volume, you will run out of one size before the other. The only way to guarantee that can't happen is by doubling the size of the station, which they have no plans to do.

[@Eric_Garrison]

@@FutureAZA that’s not how it works. You get what you pay for. They don’t randomly give you different sizes, that would be madness.

[@dr.andersonsghost4315]

I sometimes wonder how many Americans are actually sentient...

[@flujori]

He did tell the truth whether you like it or not NIO fanboys

[@torontodave9840]

Not even worth commenting on this as the research was so lacking.

[@FutureAZA]

If you had a rebuttal, you'd have shared it. Since you don't, you should reconsider your confidence.

[@BE-kv6dc]

We have two Tesla, and like them. However both us and Elon Musk wished Tesla had NIO’s battery swap technology. You can’t compare it and ignore that’s the best in the world so far

[@FutureAZA]

That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard. Tesla HAD swap stations. They're expensive and inefficient. The Supercharger network allows them to deploy 10-20x faster. That's why they're THE name in charging in North America.

[@tonygrant3062]

​@@FutureAZAyou talk gibberish.... show me one tesla driver that would not like to swap his battery even of just once a year and not have to worry about their fixed depleting battery making the car worthless virtually after 8 years or 100k miles which ever comes first .. easily the miles first to ... that why hertz dumped tesla ... they know the tesla fleet will be worthless soon and they should of bought nio instead but not in usa yet

[@tonygrant3062]

​@@FutureAZAtesla had swap stations 😂😂😂😂, they failed at battery swap and gave up ... well documented 😂😂😂😂