Nioh 2 Has Created Mind Gnomes | Castle Super Beast Clips

[@SlaaneshiChosen_Carmena]

Dark Souls: “Wait if you wear the shiny helmet when talking to the windego, he has an extra line of dialogue?!” says three year veteran of game Nioh: “THIS GAME HAS POTIONS?!” Says three year veteran of game

[@kneeofjustice9619]

Pat has a whole menagerie of cryptids in his mind.

[@freelancert4]

Pat's Bestiary of Brain Beasts now on sale!

[@eppielicious]

Where’s the mind phasmid?

[@thirdeye9698]

And once he turns 37-40 the curtain pulls back and it’s just a mindflayer actively robbing his insight each day

[@adams3627]

Pat's got that Monster Manual brain

[@chakatBombshell]

I can't wait for the unveiling of the mind dragon.

[@Dom380]

The plot of most of Nioh 2 is just what actually happened except demons were also there slightly off to the side

[@ncala]

Sengoku Cryme Tyme. But also demons.

[@BeamMonsterZeus]

"slightly off to the side" lmao that's perfectly put

[@BeamMonsterZeus]

@@ncala That was a Matt and Woolie thing. Read the room.

[@grandarkfang_1482]

@@BeamMonsterZeus he did. That's why he said it.

[@BeamMonsterZeus]

@@grandarkfang_1482 Someone didn't watch SBF: FINAL

[@fewglow5076]

Symphony of the Night doesn't even start at Symphony of the Night. It starts with Rondo of Blood.

[@at0micl0bster]

goodbye bloody tears, written outta existence

[@curranmckenzie9574]

Pat: *overthinks and stresses out over all the minutiae of Nioh 2’s mechanics* Me, changing equipment in Nioh 2: “Is this armor piece/weapon’s defense/damage number bigger than the one I have now? If so, I’m putting it on.”

[@rickyrexx99]

I love the image of mind goblins being these aggressive little monsters that torment your mental thought process where as mind gnomes are just these weird little dudes that kind of bug you but aren't even that bad but you just can't ignore them

[@jai249]

the goblins gnaw at your shoulders, while the gnome is on your couch, not close but you know they're staring at you

[@NeutralGuyDoubleZero]

@@jai249 sometime they're in your lap watching you play, other times they're on the TV, they have all kinds of tricks and deceptions those mind gnomes

[@Alhelir]

The difference between chaotic evil and chaotic neutral

[@PlaskiJakDeska]

I don't know why but I read the phrase "weird little dudes" in this context and I just started to giggle when imagining the concept.

[@GELTONZ]

"Castlevania starts at Symphony of the Night" is, infact, the stupidest thing Woolie has ever said and I completely agree with Pat still being angry about it.

[@jacobp7037]

The fucking audacity

[@Parluxgrounds]

I ain't gonna lie it's not a bad take cause how good it is

[@AwkwardKyle]

Castlevania starts at Rondo of Blood

[@MapleFried]

Castlevania starts at the super well-designed Famicom/NES classic, then the series took a weird turn and decided the next game was SO good they gave it the number "3" because they just couldn't justify only giving it "2". I checked. Trust me. No need to look up any other sequels or Game Boy games.

[@CompagnonDeMisere25]

It's up there with the "WW1 was fought by line infantry with muskets" debacle.

[@twistedhands]

"In Diablo from minute 1 the bonuses you get on gear are way more outlandish" oh yes, Light Radius +1. Truly game changing

[@TheLemuroid]

I remember choking on my food when chat started calling this the SPITE ORC

[@nicolaschaves7758]

Mind Ogres and Mind Onis are on the way.

[@AGMSP]

You have to go through a lot of Mind layers to get to the Mind Ogre.

[@josh-oo]

Those are the same thing.

[@nicolaschaves7758]

@@josh-oo its more like Virgin Vanilla Ogre vs Magic Chad Oni

[@AGMSP]

@@josh-oo According to japanese mythology, Oni and Ogre is sometimes interchangable, but in other texts, the two are similar, but different. For example: - Both are considered dangerous and threatening to human safety. - Both are regarded for their large size. - Both eat human flesh. The differences on the other hand are: - Ogres are living creatures, whereas Oni are terrible humans reborn as demons who live in hell. -Ogres are not attributed to specific colors, but Oni's are not associated with red and blue skin, but also tiger patterned clothing. - Ogres hate humans out of beastial instinct to devour smaller creatures. Oni punish humans out of malicious joy or a sense of duty to punish wicked people (most often the former). -Ogres have layers. Oni do not. -Ogres hail from Western Folklore, while Oni were derived from Buddhist, Hindu, and Shinto beliefs of the East. -Ogres do not have a sense of religion, while Oni have gods known as kijin, such as Otakemaru. -While Oni can be translated as Ogre, the word more correctly translates as demon, which is generally used to describe powerful, malevolent humanoids in a broad sense. Ogres and Oni are indeed different. Sorry if it felt like I was explaining shit for stupid reasons; Just so a chance to research something and share my findings.

[@Abdega]

@@AGMSP well now I wonder if they translated ogre to oni in the Japanese dub of Shrek

[@azure98]

Nioh's Co-op is actually pretty fun if you use the Tori gate from the map screen. It actually has its own specifically balanced co-op mode that features stronger enemies, slightly different enemy placements around the map, and an entirely different mission progression and fail state system. This is actually explained in the game as a tutorial prompt. Using an Ochoko cup in a mission to summon someone is like just pulling a Phantom in to bully stuff in Dark Souls Using the Tori Gate is a specifically balanced full Co-op mode. They also REALLY need to pay attention to the button prompts at the bottom of the screen in menus.

[@Valshiirs]

Finished the game with my friend like that. Yes, the "nioh" challenge is pretty much gone, but its so fun to see your mate die on some dumb shit because he was not careful.

[@DetectiveOlivaw]

The fact that I didn’t know this is wild

[@rahjeel]

I have a dream where we will all be graced to play an EROGE with the game engine and customization/character creator of NIOH 2.

[@leafgreenbeast]

you can set a drop filter in nioh 2, you can set a drop filter in nioh 2, YOU CAN SET A DROP FILTER IN NIOH 2 if you dont like picking up things below X rarity, you can literally block picking up items below X rarity at any time in a menu. it's not just shop filters, you can TURN THOSE ITEMS OFF ENTIRELY.

[@RicochetForce]

Chat was blowing up with this that day, as well as all the other filters. His line of complaints actually reminds me console players complaints about PC gaming. "It's too complex, I'd rather it didn't exist instead of making me disable/adjust all of it."

[@bruno17289]

But that junk is for selling, do the game compensates for that?

[@RicochetForce]

@@bruno17289 Yes, you can mass sell it, convert it into crafting materials needed for various purposes, sacrifice them to shrines for elixirs/arrows/etc which eliminates any need to farm, etc... The game makes it easy to manage them, all of which is to your benefit. Selling them off nets you a substantial amount of money (especially when you only care about Divines or higher and rares are just trash to you).

[@111cvb111]

Oh that's good, those are must haves in any loot game. Path of Exile I still keep rares, but some people rather only see uniques.

[@Vekette]

@@RicochetForce I think you misunderstood the question, if you miss out on picking up all the junk does the game compensate you for filtering out a bunch of stuff, or are you basically required to play with the filters off so you can pick up all the junk items you don't want to turn into crafting materials?

[@Thomazbr]

People should play Samurai Warriors once in their life just to understand the pop history of Sengoku History.

[@fenrir3097]

It's just thaaat simple.

[@Thomazbr]

@@fenrir3097 It really is. You play say, Samurai Warriors 4 and you basically know the name and the short story of 90% of the relevant names for the both Nioh games and you know what angle Nioh is taking with their "Sengoku but X" story.

[@Zangelin]

Yeah but then you'd have to play muso games, which are terrible.

[@Thomazbr]

@@Zangelin It's fine, do it for the culture. They are also mind goblin free games, just hammer your square button.

[@bennymountain1]

Or just watch Extra History

[@alexanderhenriquez9354]

How can Woolie say something so controversial, yet so brave?

[@Ronin11111111]

I fucking love Nioh 2, it sits in a very comfortable spot in my league of comfort game.

[@uriahgreathouse3114]

mind goblins have digivolved to mind gnomes.

[@stevsux4442]

"every point was giving me ~1% damage... If it's not above 20% it's not worth anything" Okay, but Pat this isn't the blood gems in bloodborne giving you half a percent of extra scaling this is a point in a tree that maxes out at 99 if every point made you notably stronger then NG+ would just be one shotting everything due to a 99 stat giving you 1,800+% increase in damage. Dark souls only feels you need to spend points because it gatekeeps equipment from you which is great for dark souls but nioh isn't here to say you can't use that, it's here to say use what you want and when you figure it out pump the stat you need and make the build broken

[@azure98]

Even better 99 is only the INITIAL cap. Once you get far enough into the NG+ System it increases the cap to 200+ and even then the largest contributing factor to your power in Nioh/2 is equipment and skills. You can legit have just the absolute bare minimum to equip your gear and use your skills and you'll still be able to do 5 to 6 digit damage numbers. And the game has a crafting system to push that with just a bunch of ways to just micromanage your equipment and exactly what stats it has on it. Which unfortunately plays into a complaint he had since the crafting isnt really useful till the tail end of NG when your about to tackle the DLCs.

[@musoumiko4730]

Perhaps then the tree shouldn't max out at 99, and have fewer points that are more meaningful.

[@malum9478]

@@musoumiko4730 why the fuck not? the game goes up to NG+4 where enemies have passive health recovery, new moves, and way more damage and health. if you weren't able to go up to 99 you'd get smeared by enemies at that point in the game. don't make dumb arguments to defend pat's ignorance of the systems. there's nothing wrong with the way nioh progresses, it's just much longer, deeper progression than in dark souls.

[@night1952]

ZOE2 is just so good you don't want to go back to ZOE but it's a good game on its own and I like Leo's story, the kid has it rough. The boss fights are fun too.

[@Dragonsmana]

Agreed. ZOE1 has a better story than 2. It is more emotionally involved, and ups the stakes on a personal level for 2 more.

[@tokyobassist]

I like both but 2 is genuinely one of my favorite games ever. I own every release of it lol.

[@night1952]

@@tokyobassist Same, VR ZOE2 is something else.

[@chubbysurprise4429]

Recently got nioh 2 without playing nioh 1 and after getting help with the 1st boss I've been having a blast ever since Just happy to see it's basically a ninja gaiden prequel

[@thelaughingrouge]

Nioh 1 is legit bad so you made the correct decision. You remember the "teleport grabs" of dark souls 2? Yeah Nioh 1 is that:The game. So many animations and hit boxes that are just lies. I keep trying to go back to it every year or so and give it a second chance, but I've never bounced off a game harder than that one.

[@leithaziz2716]

@@thelaughingrouge If Nioh 1 was legit bad, I doubt Nioh 2 would exist in the first place.

[@iMoD190]

@@thelaughingrouge nioh is bad because it doesn't have tekken hitboxes?

[@Harril8265]

@@thelaughingrouge No idea what you're talking about. Played the hell out of Nioh 1 & it's great. No idea why people hate on it so much. I'm convinced it's just comparison with Soulsborne mixed with bandwagoning.

[@Aion1os]

@@Harril8265 Nioh 1 isnt overall bad, but it's like a good combat system that's bogged down by levels that are visually bland and poorly designed, a small enemy pool, and mostly shitty bosses imo. I barely got through it and going to 2 after was like night and day, a mediocre game compared to a great one.

[@MassFlare]

Goblins defeated. Gremlin invasion begins.

[@AndrewTraver]

Picking up broken straight swords? Well, that sounds like Way of The Samurai

[@crimsonpotemkin]

I 100%-ed both Nioh games and by far, Nioh 2 is my favourite game of all time. But I gotta say, 100%-ing Nioh 1 after 2 wasn't the best idea. Nioh 2 really spoils you with its new and improved mechanics.

[@Revanxbone]

I think what pat is missing to say during the leveling discussion is that nioh 2 changes the way you get skill points by leveling. You have to actually use the accordiong skill (magic, samurai, ninja) to get points. That's why the leveling feels so different cause it does affect damage mostly now

[@crazygamer4260]

I just wish there was a way to respec points into other trees, like lets say I use the ax for an hour and decided I don't like it well I've wasted X amount of points that I can't take out and apply to something else I want to try.

[@RavenCloak13]

@@crazygamer4260 People were saying you could respc in the chat but I didn't know how cause they never explained everything like the usually fucking do and just say you can or can't or your right or wrong without explaining fuck all.

[@HGMerc99]

@@crazygamer4260 There is a respec system. One of the purple consumables is called "Book of Reincarnation" and allows you to reset everything. And you get quite a few of them. Its the same as Nioh 1. Plus Im pretty sure they are farmable. I played all the way through Way of the Nioh and every new game I changed my build. As for your weapon skill points. Since they are now attached to just using the weapon, you can pick a weapon you have never used before , just farm a good spot with a bunch of gravestone summons and max all the weapons moves fairly quickly. And the higher the difficulty the faster this process is. For example, On NG++ I killed 2 NPC summons with a new weapon I never used and got 12 Skill points out of it. The hardest part Isnt worrying about your stats Its building your gear. But that isnt really important until NG+ when you get green rarity gear.

[@chieferik7964]

That's the one complaint I have about starting Nioh 2. I couldn't shake the feeling that it felt quicker to level up my ninjutsu skills in Nioh 1.

[@coryyoung7544]

It felt weird because you'd get more xp from using passive skills then combat, if you use radar,luck or armor/weapon buff you'd get way more xp over a longer time but if you reset and constantly use only attack magic/ninja tools its faster till you hit 25.

[@theSHELFables]

Nioh's NG+ and its systems are basically the same thing going on in Monster Hunter World. You dont unlock decorations until high rank so you're not really doing builds until then. You just enjoy the combat and fighting monsters until you get to that next level. You can also engage with Nioh's systems earlier than NG+ (set bonuses are huge upgrades) but just check on your numbers occasionally if you feel underpowered and sell everything under rare. Playing with the different movesets and elements is super fun outside of the RPG stuff too imo

[@HGMerc99]

Here is how Pat solves his loot problem. Never look at it unless you get a purple. Go to the Blacksmith. hit Dismantle. Then hit the button on the bottom of the screen that says Sub Function. (for me its the PS4 Touchpad button) Now you can select "check off all below this rarity" and get rid of all that junk loot. Now you can go to crafting. Combine all your white materials into as many purple materials as you can make and finally use those to spam craft your weapon or armor of choice until you get a Purple that you like at your current level and Junk the rest. Problem solved.

[@chieferik7964]

Which is weird because he was doing that by the end of his play session. His main disagreement with the game really seems to be that he doesn't like seeing loot pop up from minor enemies like a piñata instead of crafting materials. Which like you mention is a non-issue given that you can treat loot as crafting materials. The only improvement to this system I would make is if there was an option to auto sell or auto dismantle the moment you pick up low rarity loot as opposed to going to the shrine and auto selling.

[@Shizn0id]

it's cute how Pat thinks he's right about Nioh 2 cause his brain is so broken he experiences reality differently then the rest of humanity.

[@kennykrool74]

Pats complaints feel exactly like the complaints I often make about Bad MMOs that turned me off the genre.

[@RicochetForce]

What's strange is that his complaints also apply to Monster Hunter, and Woolie is right to point that shit out (which caused him to bounce off MH).

[@leithaziz2716]

@@RicochetForce Wait, did Woolie or Pat bounce off MH?

[@trafficcoen]

@@leithaziz2716 Woolie, he bounced off of MH World Around the start of HR

[@RicochetForce]

@@leithaziz2716 Woolie. He mentions that the same dislike of menus and systems Pat finds inscrutable/worthless in Nioh 2 is how he felt about them in Monster Hunter. Both feel like the menus are an impediment to them doing what they enjoy about the game: Going out and fighting. That said, I'm not sure either game would be better by just being a straight action game. The complexity and build variety makes these games better, not worse.

[@note4note804]

@@RicochetForce I could be wrong but I was pretty confident that Woolie bounced off of MH because, despite Pat insisting that you had you wear ugly mismatched sets to do well in late game over and over again, he had to keep telling Woolie that he can't just wear the cool set he liked in the early game all game long because the stats mattered too much. If anything this is the exact opposite of Nioh's problem where no systems matter till endgame.

[@Acrobuster]

Nioh stat builds are VERY similar to Souls builds, they can just go further because of the higher level cap. The theory behind them is basically the same. I don't understand Pat's confusion on them. The "sub percentage" stat gains are the same a Souls too...

[@Acrobuster]

I sincerely hope he gets the right person to guide him through. It would be very hype to hear him in a few months going "I get it now!" Don't want him to miss out on the fun combat and great art design because of some stubborn gnomes.

[@gearhead417]

So his problem is that the stats for the first playthrough dont matter almost at all outside of requirements. having 99 strength isnt going to change much in a first playthrough because nothing scales well in the first playthrough. You are asking players to invest a ton of time into a system that isnt really showing any effects. Them being good in NG+ means nothing if he isnt having fun in the first playthrough. Even in NG+ they dont matter because you are just getting a certain amount for everything and then doing a dumb stat. Souls isnt like that because scaling is effective from when you actually start the game. If you find a sword you like you are going to keep using that sword and feeding stats into that sword. But you are actually seeing gains that you dont see in Nioh 2.

[@Acrobuster]

I found the scaling to be quite effective, in my first playthrough I went all in on hatchets, just pumped their stat and a bit of life and ki. They were very strong. I think we're on the same page, at least a little? For a playthrough that isn't NG +2 or whatever (I actually dislike high NG cycles in any souls or soulslike game so I don't go past +1 usually), you can build exactly like a souls game. The level softcaps are maybe just a bit higher and therefore the individual gains from a single level are a bit smaller, but the theory still remains the same as souls. All I'm saying is that if he dislikes fiddling with stats so much he could just pump his main weapon stat and whatever comfort stats he wants and have a totally fine playthrough.

[@TheDapperDragon]

Because, as he pointed out, if a single point doesn't give him double digit gains, it sucks. This whole thing is an example of hypocrisy. Everything pat hates about Nioh 2, he loves about another game.

[@Audiodump]

20:45 This is bloodborne all over again. Pat doesn't understand a system yet acts as though he understands it perfectly and is both arrogant and confrontative about it.

[@panchozari434]

I don't know shit about Nio, how do the stats actualy work ? If You don't minde

[@punishedbrak4255]

That's how Pat is about most things, to be honest

[@PlamoTherapy]

Pat's biggest Mind Goblin with regards to Nioh, is that he's treating it like Dark Souls, when it's actually more like Ninja Gaiden/Devil May Cry with Diablo loot and even more RPG elements. Can't really blame him for that tho, as it's a really common pitfall.

[@gearhead417]

But he even said at the start the game wants to be a mix between Dark Souls and Ninja Gaiden but it goes right down the middle. Combat is great but when I have to interact with a loot system that does not show any for of gains until after I have beaten the game that it feels like of pointless. Even in dark souls the stats only mattered to a point. But in Nioh 2 they do matter for so long and then they are all that matters.

[@PlamoTherapy]

@@gearhead417 and that's why he's treating it like a Souls game. In Souls, your stats matter because they gate the weapon you wanna use, with the scaling bonuses only really becoming relevant in the late game when you have upgraded equipment. In Nioh, the stats are also there to gate your equipment (armor, in Nioh 2's case), but because there's no PVP, and there is a large level cap for stats that you can realistically reach at the end-end-end game, there's no reason to make a "build" by a certain level, like the SL 120 the Souls Community decided upon. Because re-speccing is cheap and practically unlimited, you can't really "ruin" your character while going through the game for the first time. From this perspective, the "sub-1%" gains make more sense because there is just so much of it. He was starting to get it when he said in the stream that he felt like "going all 10's" is what he felt like the right thing to do. Which it is, because "builds" only start to truly matter post-NG. Really, the Goblin Overlord here would have to be analysis paralysis. Nioh 2 offers SO MUCH CHOICE with regards to player engagement, that Pat's Mind Goblin of insisting on interacting with every little system right at the start is what really did him in. He wants everything optimized from the get go, which is a fool's errand in this kind of game.

[@blarghchan]

>hatin' on the lootsplosion you're DEAD to me, pat! DEAD!

[@_Sage967_]

you know what Pat's ACTUALLY wishing for? he's wishing for Nioh to just adopt Way of the Samurai's weapon building system (NOT THE AUGMENT SYSTEM, DEAR GOD NOT THAT). there are just a predetermined slew of weapon parts and different types of characters carry different assortments of stuff, all weapons can be broken down into upgrade material and it's basically up to you to turn your weapon into a superweapon with all that iron you'll be picking up

[@punishedbrak4255]

God damn I loved that game and I haven't thought about it in forever

[@JillLulamoon]

I love Nioh to death but Pat is right about one thing, it really doesnt do a good job explaining its user interface imo.

[@azure98]

The game has a button prompt thats whole purpose is to literally explain everything on the menu or navigate to one specific part that you want. However it is true the game is a mess of menus in menus in menus.

[@shiloh1422]

@@azure98 yea I dont get that complaint, this game literally has the help button on pretty much every menu and will explain every mechanic, stat, and effect in detail if you press the button

[@Porterhaus94]

16:20 Does Pat not know that you can change your armor's appearance in the hut?

[@barronvonnoodle]

no he does, but he said on stream how he doesn't want to do it with every item he picks up that replaces it.

[@coryyoung7544]

It was very annoying but atleast you could do it like the rogue heavy set is the lightest heavy set but it just looks really bad.

[@nubertuberluber]

"Gee Nobunaga, how come your mom lets you have 2 spirits?"

[@FamiliarFacesChannel]

Woolie and his Christmas Tree and Pat and his Boxing Day Skeleton

[@randomgenretalk8151]

That's why i like the Surge 2, because you optain weapons and armor pieces by cutting the specific body part off. That's the only way to get what you want, this goes for equippment and upgrade material only utility items drop. I think more Soulslike games should have a system like that.

[@RicochetForce]

Yeah, I liked Surge 2 but I absolutely agree that most of the field should adopt that. It's an amazing wrinkle to add to combat encounters. It also allows you to cripple enemies if you can't standard certain attacks.

[@sirlenemodesto2665]

If they keep going into other fantasy worlds with that systems they could make a game were if you find a dragon boss, you could cut it's tail and change the moveset. Just a better version of a certain part of dark souls and the farming.

[@randomgenretalk8151]

I think you can adopt the system from the Surege 2 into a fantasy game if you for example use the stance system from Nioh. Based on the stance you have you are able to cut different body parts, if you fill a meter like in the Surge 2. With the stamina element there is a constant management between switching stances and having enough stamina to cut something off. In the Surge 2 you had the option to cut armor parts of but it took longer to kill the enemy. YOu also could attack the parts that are not armored and kill the enemy fast. But for less rewards. I think if you combine the best elements from Nioh and the Surge into a more traditional Souls, it would be awesome.

[@Birmanncat]

Pat's grave mistake was comparing Nioh to Dark Souls, just how many other people do. And they are all wrong. Nioh is Ninja Gaiden, he got that right. But the loot system was directly taken from Diablo and having piles of garbage as loot is normal in Diablo. This garbage exists only to level up your good stuff or sell for money/donate for items. I was swimming in hundreds of healing items in Nioh 1 because I donated all my white-blue loot to the shrine. And when you have only purple items to consider there is almost no room for OCD.

[@shiloh1422]

As did I. After a mission I would be donating like 200 weapons and armor, gaining like 10-30k amrita. Also I didn't buy a single item or use the blacksmith shop even one time my 1st playthrough so by the end I had like 800k gold

[@SeruraRenge11]

I actually had to study this time period in Japan for a research paper so there was never a point where I was lost in Nioh 1/2's story.

[@Reiveth]

Playing Zoe2 without 1 is actual blasphemy, 1 is a fucking great experience that 2 only enhances, not invalidates.

[@dralakba-dusk31]

Exactly Zoe1 is a fucking masterpiece (a very simple and clunky one but still a masterpiece!)

[@JackgarPrime]

1 is also super short. So you're not even making much of a time investment to get that part of the story.

[@hyonizaki000]

0:40 I've never felt so called out in my life.

[@zipperman1063]

I watched so much gundam just to watch CCA to the point where two antennas are coming out of my head, and damn it was worth it

[@bicksbernd1640]

You only need to watch 3 series to get context for CCA, maybe just two if you can't stomach ZZ

[@zipperman1063]

@@bicksbernd1640 if I listened to the likes of you I would have never known Roux!

[@malum9478]

@@bicksbernd1640 i can't and i didn't. though let's be honest and clear here: OG 78 and zeta are longass series. they're not twenty episodes, they're like 40+ each iirc.

[@bicksbernd1640]

​@@malum9478 What the hell does that have to do with anything?

[@ryanbacker4870]

Destiny has this problem almost to a tee. 3 tiers of loot, blues, purples, and exotics. Blues are completely fucking useless past the 3 hour mark and you will always be drowning in them. Purples are half bad, half meh, and like 1% are crazy and they're locked behind raids and the worst pvp modes (trials and banner). Exotics are special weapons, most good, that you only need one of so anytime you find an exotic you have you think "wow, nice, anyway *dismantle*". It is so fucking bad and the worst part is you have a LIMITED FUCKIG INVENTORY. So not only will these useless blues and repeat weapons fill your inventory until you dismantle them, if you get too many you can LOSE ITEMS FOREVER. If your inventory is full it will go to the postmaster and if your post is full it will DELETE ITSELF. Fuck goblins and fuck ALL TIERED LOOT SYSTEMS. THEY'RE ALWAYS BAD AND WILL ALWAYS MAKE YOUR GAME WORSE.

[@brentramsten249]

this reminds me of Grim Dawn. the lowest tier of loot is so bad, that it actually drops less often than epic loot (by a lot) to the point where its more like a joke: "can you believe any enemy would be stupid enough to use this?" however, the next tier of loot can have very specific bonuses, to the point where an armor piece i found before hitting level 10 i was still using almost halfway to max level. the green and blue loot has more stats and can grant abilities and bonuses to skills, but it generally has less chance of boosting specifically your build. so while the loot on general is mostly useless, its more than its useless to specifically your build, than being useless in general.

[@111cvb111]

Unlocking a stat system like that for NG+ would actually be pretty sick. You'd have a pretty good idea where you would want to spend points by then and it would feed a reason to keep playing the game.

[@Roronoa2zoro]

I've been playing Nioh 1 recently as well and boy, doing the inventory sorting after every mission is also too much if you ask me. I've just done one big sorting each time I unlock a new region, and left it at that. The game honestly vomits so much garbage equipment at you every two steps it's kind of insane. And it also means you're unlikely to pick up more than one or two new pieces of gear per category that are even worth a look, so you're probably not even missing out on stats by not looking through all of it.

[@Left4Coragem]

I love that Pat can't handle gear in Nioh, when you can go up to the third difficulty of the game, literally wearing any garbage you find along the way and still finish it without much trouble. The game also not only have a loot filter for all the itens that drops, but also in the smith, the store and the shrine, meaning with the press of a button you can choose all the gear from a set rarity to more common itens and trade them for money, material for craft or xp. Also, of course the stats of the game gives you minor increases to the character's numbers, the max level is 750. Pat is talking like a true games "journalist", like he hates the game, doesn't understands it but it's being forced to play.

[@Zangelin]

You did not understand any of his critisisms.

[@Sercotani]

he actually understands it, he's tired of people saying it all matters near the end of the game/new game+. He just doesn't want to do the busywork in the early game where 99% of what you pick up is trash. Just, listen to the clip lol. Like you said, you can clear everything without caring too much about stats in New Game with trash gear no problems at all, that's what he knows already. But legitimately his criticisms were being forced to slowly learn the system by osmosis when it doesn't really matter. I didn't think about it at the time but I was in the exact same situation as him in New Game. Only a few of the bonuses or upgrades in the skill trees/stats/set bonuses looked cool to me, the rest might as well be another minmax % to make New Game SLIGHTLY easier. And New Game does not matter. Do you see the problem here? The fights were good, but... everything else is kinda busywork. Only once I almost finished the game did I start respeccing into multiple builds and having EXPONENTIALLY more fun. Case in point, I went through the whole of New Game with just a single weapon type (fists). Because New Game doesn't fucking matter, my mind goblins tell me not to respec into other weapon types, so whenever I try out a new weapon the damage feels like shit and I'm discouraged and I have to go back to fists. I did enjoy the fights in New Game...just, not everything else around it. Notice that I keep mentioning New Game, not New Game+. Because I 100% agree, Nioh 2 gets far better once you get past that first hurdle. And Pat does too. His problem is now whether or not he's willing to try out New Game+.

[@TheDapperDragon]

@@Zangelin he doesn't understand his own criticisms. He's whining about too much loot while saying "but its fine in Diablo tho" He hates games "being good on ng+" but loves Nier. He's blatantly ignoring systems, and then blaming the game for not having them

[@SBJ_Tube]

@@TheDapperDragon Nier doesn't "get good" on New Game +. Both games are a series of chapters that sometimes involve repeating segments of the game, usually to add more depth to the original telling. It's not on topic with this Nio thing at all, in any way.

[@thotacon]

How does pat even play rpgs?!

[@Poto2222]

Nioh 1 & 2 are my favorite games of the past generation, but I do somewhat feel the same way as Pat when it comes to the RPG/stats-side of things, even though I managed to get around those issues. My solution? I focused on getting _really good_ at fighting dudes. lol 2500+ hours later I still have absolutely no idea how to properly make a coherent build. I just whack 'em until they're dead, GGs. Absolute fantastic games, love them to death.

[@gearhead417]

Like I just want to have like 30 of each stat and just enjoy the game until NG+

[@Shadow_of_Yharnam]

I’ve just finished the 5th region in Nioh 1 and I can’t wait to finish it to play Nioh 2. But I’m really enjoying Nioh 1 tho. IDK why it gets a bad rep.

[@distractiblejeff1285]

I think its usually just a matter of nioh 1 being very good, but nioh 2 being great in the same areas. You're right though its still a good game on its own.

[@PlamoTherapy]

That's because Nioh 2 is just largely a more streamlined Nioh 1. Combat is largely unchanged, but the additional wrinkle of Soul Cores and Burst Counters keep the encounters really fresh.

[@kingofthemoon3063]

This game is kryptonite for people like me who have ADHD. I love it anyway, but damn if it doesn’t drown you in the choices you need to make for your build.

[@adriangraham9849]

Can't wait for Reggie VS Nioh and/or Nioh 2

[@jaideay3003]

Why not just believe Pat when he basically says “No really this is just genuine dislike and not goblin related at all”

[@RavenCloak13]

Because he could ignore it. He can't ignore it because of said goblins. Also other stuff he said chat went on to tell him about options in the menus to obfuscate problems he had.

[@gummyboots]

@@RavenCloak13 I’m sure there are plenty of things that you dislike that you can ignore. The fact that you have to ignore them is usually WHY they are disliked

[@gummyboots]

Yeah the “mind gnome” thing just came off as Woolie’s usual inability to allow other people to strongly dislike things he strongly likes. Like the other person has to be crazy or stupid or something, and he has to go on about how to him they are wrong because of his anecdotal experiences. He does it a lot. “Y’know I don’t like __ for my own personal reasons” “WELL WHEN I DID __ IT WAS ACTUALLY AWESOME SO IDK WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU’RE WEIRD FOR HAVING A NEGATIVE OPINION”

[@RavenCloak13]

@@gummyboots Doesn't matter. My point still stands. My point is also reinforced by the fact Pat didn't know how to just auto sell all of the stuff which was part of why he was annoyed. Then Woolie brought up these same problems Pat is having with Nioh 2 is the EXACT SAME PROBLEMS AS MONSTER HUNTER. The only difference is the amount of loot (which again you can ignore like a normal person because people were saying just take the good drops) or how most of the loot was useless as like in Monster Hunter where you only care about the single low drop rate item but don't get it in over 20 runs killing the monster that can take from 10-40 minutes and you end up with a box of hundreds of useless crap that you just sell off like Nioh 2. Hell, Pat's main problem was it popped out of trash mobs like a pinata which is a mind goblin not a legit complaint and the legit complaints he had became not legit because people were explaining menu options and features in the game that he didn't bother to read at all anyway so it's his fault on that one which he wants to read with Monster Hunter with the ungodly amount of new tutorial menus in THAT GAME. It really is just Pat's Mind Goblins at work. He can still dislike it but it won't be based in logic or reason but personal preference which is what Mind Goblins are. Personal nitpicky biases we have.

[@jaideay3003]

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[@RicochetForce]

This part was WILD. Woolie is 100% right, Pat replaced one mental hurdle with another. That said, part of it is that Nioh is just that granular. It's something that comes with a game that allows such ridiculous build variety. When Pat said he'd prefer 800 weapons with slightly different movesets over Nioh's setup (a few weapons with much more developed, customizable movesets), I knew he was creating unnecessary friction with the game.

[@mattb6616]

Pats right

[@Dragonsmana]

Indeed. Its even possible to ignore a lot of the granular nature, by just picking up and using based on attack power, which the UI tells you before you picking it up, thanks to the Up and Down arrows. I have no intent to play NG+, and even then I feel the leveling and gear work just fine in your first cycle, with or without diving into all the details.

[@RavenCloak13]

@@mattb6616 Chat was literally telling Pat multiple times that stuff he wanted in the game or stuff he had problems with could be changed, deleted or were there in the menus. His point about it being menu porn is correct but him blowing off Woolie's point about how that's similar to the new Monster Hunter games is a problem along with the fact Pat's main complaints were things ALSO in Monster Hunter and MMO's in general. His points about stats being so low was also wrong because stuff stacks with passives of each weapon when you can build towards lifesteal or some shit builds.

[@Sandberry]

"It's like the stupidest thing you've ever said" Until he said Persona starts at 3, anyway

[@mattb6616]

Persona 1 and 2 are AWFUL games

[@chrisbroad2689]

@@mattb6616 2 is good god damn it

[@mattb6616]

@@chrisbroad2689 Its half good which makes me even more mad lol. I love the characters and story but I hate playing it

[@RicochetForce]

@@chrisbroad2689 The encounter rate in 2 is terrifying, though. I'm never going to forget that.

[@As_Expected_of_Pieck]

@@mattb6616 so are 3, 4, and 5. Start with soul hackers

[@Maioly]

boy, pat would fucking HATE titan quest... every single enemy in that game drops gear every single one the game actually considers what they are using to be loot, so every enemy you kill that had a weapon of some sort will drop that weapon as loot if they had armor they will drop armor as loot some will drop materials it also has the issue he described for diablo, of you getting a cool weapon and then going HOURS without getting anything better than it... like, I am still using a weapon I got on chapter 2 of it, all the way in the final chapter, some armor too, because I just did not get better drops yet.

[@coryyoung7544]

I remember getting the puzzle ring back when it had a 1% chance to spawn loot goblins instead of getting a goblin pet on my first playthrough after doing one of the side dungeons in chapter 1 best most op ring ever even if it maxed at 3% broke diablos market system though so was nerfed with good reasons.

[@ParadoX505]

Tonfas are also fucking amazing in nioh, go nuts with your punching options woolie

[@sirlenemodesto2665]

God this fucking part

[@KeroKaminaX]

wouldn't Mind Trolls make more sense or are they too close to being goblins?

[@Shelf_Dogg]

What pat describes in the first minute not only have I always suffered from in the sense of "oh man gotta play everything in order" but also franchise happened to me with the Witcher like yeah 3 looks really cool but the orginal Witcher game might as well be a rhythm game

[@MLGHazrad]

I wish I could play Nioh 2. I love playing Nioh 1 to where I collected the Kodama every time I go to a new area. I love how you could change the appearance of the armor making it really fashionable. Few gripe is interaction with specific characters. The only interaction I had with Miyamoto Musashi was when I recall fighting him in an arena mission

[@Harril8265]

Historically it was too early for Musashi. They had to bend over backwards to include him as-is.

[@sirlenemodesto2665]

You fight WITH him after the battle of sekigahara(?), and you fight the spirit of sasaki in one of the dlcs. But yeah since it has a base in history you can't do much.

[@Dac85]

You do not need to play Nioh 1 to play Nioh 2. At all. There's a reference to the events in what is basically a cameo towards the end. It is not important in the grand scheme of things and if you don't know the history you're likely to be way more lost about the actual plot than a Nioh 1 reference, lol.

[@iMoD190]

pat talking about stats sounds like bloodborne all over again.

[@JameboHayabusa]

Honestly, listening to pat talk about nioh is making me glad I'm not a streamer. I love the fact that nioh2 has tons of post game content to think about. I've gone through all the content with 2 friends, and it was one of the best gaming experiences ever. I don't even understand why he's upset with it co sidering you can pretty much just build yourself however you want during the first playthrough and do fine if you understand the basics and keep your gear up to date.

[@Zangelin]

Thats not the problem. the problem is that its there snd hes forced to interact with it even though it doesnt do anything for him.

[@malum9478]

@@Zangelin no, he's not. if he doesn't want to interract with it, he can ignore it and just use skill to beat the game. or he can actively build his character and be able 10%-15% more effective than he would normally and have fun that way. either way, he has no reason to complain about anything.

[@lostinsalem6562]

Nioh 2 has a straightforward story how did Pat not get it?

[@Acrobuster]

He doesn't care about Sengoku history so he ignored most of it.

[@Prommythean]

The same way he didn't get how the stats work and how leveling the Stat for your favorite weapon helps you, he didn't care to learn

[@lostinsalem6562]

@@Prommythean yeah probably. Im just surprised that after 12 hours of playing he literally didn't learn shit about the game other than what was already in Nioh 1 😂

[@therighttrousers343]

It's a little hard to keep up with whoever Kashin Koji is piloting and what whoever's motivations are for a long while, at least it was for me, up until the point where he starts talking to Tokichiro and then you just have to understand "ah, now he's the guy I gotta kill." I didn't really catch the story too much my first playthrough either, just going "huh, why does he look like me?", And mostly reacting to the bosses on their designs, fights and runbacks. Nobunaga's fire is kind of when I started to kind of pay attention, but that was a little late for me to understand a few of the characters like Honda Tadakatsu and the bloke who makes Ryomen Sukuna. I got the Tokichiro bit though, and if you take away absolutely nothing else from this game, walking up the pink castle of gravity deaths to that music, before that boss room kicks in and everything gets really cool. Playing through again and understanding a lot more makes it better, but just for the first time that level can't help getting you hype.

[@ClockWorkKairi]

Nioh 2 but the mind gnomes are self aware.

[@matthewexelby4940]

Actually pat monster hunter does have a loot drop system from its siege quests

[@leithaziz2716]

Happy New Year, everyone!

[@Pyrozoid]

honestly yeah. I've been playing Nioh 1 cus it was free on epic games and I'm like 10-15 hrs into the game and it feels like I only have the same stuff ahead of me. The game doesn't feel like it plans on changing up the pacing or the general vibe. I still wanna keep playing it but that might just be my shitty brain going "finish the game you bitch!!".

[@stevebob240]

That was my experience as well. I'm going to try 2.

[@Manny-Prime]

Jesus I have the exact same grievances with Nioh 2 as Pat.

[@markcampbell8590]

Honestly after 100% Nioh and just completing Nioh 2, it's hard for me to go back to the Souls games. I appreciate Nioh's combat and how quick/intensive it is. You can make the game as complicated as you want it to be (you really don't have to go in-depth with a build quality unless you truly want to). Nioh 2 just builds on so much about the original game that I love. There's just so much variety to it that I'm excited to start a new build in the future.

[@Coconut-219]

Man I have that exact same thing pat's talking about "sub-one percentile" its completely unsatisfying and basically imperceptible differences when stat bonuses are less than doing something at 5 or 10% minimum. In some games it can be done well if you get alot of opportunities to stack bonuses together so the end result is statistically impactful.

[@RavenCloak13]

But they do stack. That's what people were saying in chat and what I have seen of the game.

[@Prommythean]

That That's literally what's happening You put a point into STR and you get +4 damage on a weapon that deals 200 base and then when you've put 10 points in STR you have a cumulative +40

[@malum9478]

that's what happens. pat just literally does not understand these games, and i honestly have no idea why he has so much trouble with it.

[@punishedbrak4255]

Once Pat decides he understands something that he actually doesn't, he reaches oxygen-wasting levels of stubbornness in refusing to reexamine and consider the possibility he was wrong

[@FloyDJode]

Goblins, gnomes, what's next? Other variations of vertically challenged demi-humans? Hobbits?

[@Biodeamon]

I never knew performance anxiety could be a thing for souls game I just go hahaha numbers go brrrrrr but I do think that the nioh inventory problems was kind of fucked

[@Abyss3223]

"I wish the game dropped material just to make my weapon better" it does, Divine Fragments.

[@deadnalive9166]

But aren’t divine fragments only available after completing the story for the first time?

[@gearhead417]

@@deadnalive9166 Yes

[@thesacredbeast2000]

nioh 2 is like my second favorite game ever and i have no idea how most of it works, i just use sets when it comes to equipping, like just find a set that buffs your main thing and have the smith re-craft it every 40 levels or so, once you are running a specified kit you can pretty comfortably dump everything in the trash.

[@kenren8773]

Just waiting for the goblin gnome to join forces in pats mind

[@Acidicstudios]

Imagine being anxious over an inventory system.

[@versebuchanan512]

At the start, that's exactly why I can't get into Dr. Who. There's too much back stock, I don't have the energy to get through shit that's been running continually since the sixties or some shit lol

[@kovulion7777]

For People who don't understand Nioh 2 Just imagine, this is Samurai Warriors, you either are interested in the lore, or just enjoy slashing people up

[@TheMrrccava]

Look. I'm 100% on board with a pure action game and a pure looter. But. The marriage of looter and action in nioh is genuinely fantastic and its definitely a "Pat-specific" gnome here. But I understand that this is an issue for a bunch of folk. But the best advice I can give pat with nioh and it's loot on keep doing with what you're doing, you're actually killing it and I'm sorry it's like that for ya. What I will not hear is this horse shit about loot explosions on every enemy. No pat, every enemy must explode

[@kaeltxwz]

all this criticisms(some of which are not even correct) coming from someone that plays a FUCKING MMO is really funny,

[@bennymountain1]

Okay. Wasn't an issue for me, but you do you.

[@Atzros]

37:29 uh oh, pat is becoming dangerously self-aware Edit: Oh, nevermind, I was thinking he might be on the path to not spouting wrong bullshit while acting smug, and thinking he's right, but in the same video he says that you're locked into using SnS in older MonHuns, and you have to go out into the field to gather materials and craft other weapon types, whoops! For the most part, this is wrong - Monster Hunter Freedom is a psp release based on Monster Hunter G, which is an enhanced version of the first Monster Hunter, and it gives you a set of iron weapons (Sans 'Dual Blades', which weren't 100% a standalone weapon-type, and incorporated into the SnS tree) right off the bat, without going into the field - there's the argument to be made that "NUHHH WHILE IN THE ABSOLUTE BASIC VERSION OF MONSTER HUNTER ON THE PS2 YOU'RE FORCED TO USE THE SNS UNTIL YOU CRAFT OTHER WEAPONS", but there's literally no reason to play that version, when you have Freedom - why would you play a strictly inferior version with less content? tbh MonHun started at Freedom Unite, and there's no reason to play anything before that unless you're a JUMBO VILLAGE ENTHUSIAST, or whatever - it is a culmination of the first, and second generation, with monsters, weapons, and maps from the previous entries.

[@SuperPokemin]

But… that’s not the version he was talking about. When he said “original monster hunter”, he didn’t mean “remake of the original monster hunter” he meant original monster hunter

[@Atzros]

@@SuperPokemin No, he said "OLD monster hunter" implying the older games, and it's not true for the majority of the old monster hunter games. This is also a video where they talk about newer games invalidating old entries, and Monster Hunter freedom 100% invalidates the ps2 Monster Hunter - it's like Scholar of the First Sin to unpatched DaS2, or Dark Arisen to Dragon's Dogma - there's literally no reason to play the previous iterations, when this is the >>DEFINITIVE

[@silviacarli5863]

The thing about having to start from episode 1/game 1 of everything... Dang do I have it, I will never clear my gaming backlog :(

[@captainwo]

Nioh 2 suffers from the same core problem for new players that Path of Exile does. Playing through both of them the first time without talking to people who already know how it works just feels like a barrage of systems that simultaneously seem needlessly complicated as well as pointless. I spent a large portion of my first character for both feeling like I had homework to catch up on that I never ended up doing.

[@jaye5716]

I love Nioh series to absolute death, but theres a limit to where i can play before i hit a seemingly permenate wall, which was, I had my best possible gear, really high stats to my weapons i use yet i only do like 200 to 600 at best sometimes dmg, then so when i go adventuring online i just see people constantly doing 3 to 4k if not 10k damage persecond so i proceed to go online follow the steps to a T to get the same results, including gear bonuses, stats, gear sets and what not...only to now do like 300 dmg to like 500 now.. maybe cause im not a math guy im just never gonna get it but just man.. maybe one day.

[@ShintoArt]

You know what's ironic about Pat's problem with looting in Nioh 2 loot, FFXIV has a very similar problem. I've been playing through the entire game up to Shadow Bringers since last year and very rarely would I ever need any gear dropped from dungeons. The main quests gives you good armor for whatever class you're playing every couple of levels. And even when dungeon gear is better it seems really minuscule and you'll likely get a better replacement from the main quest anyway. And this leads to the exact same inventory filling system that I think is even worse in FFXIV because item space seems more limited so eventually you have have to manage it. But despite that I'm still enjoying XIV a lot. I don't think I've ever heard Pat complain about FFXIV's gearing system when I feel it has a lot of the same problems. Also, as some other people have said Nioh 2 has a pretty extensive help menu that explains pretty much every element of the game, and there's plenty of tutorials for game mechanics while you're playing so I'm not sure if this is a problem with the game or Pat just, "not looking at the screen."

[@GELTONZ]

OH GEEZE! Speaking of games that have the entire previous game in them, Oneechanbara Z2 Chaos is a weird example. It contains the entirety of the previous game (Z Kagura) GAMEPLAY-wise, but not story-wise. Story-wise, Z2 picks up AT the credits of the previous game and continues from there and basically makes no sense if you didn't play the previous game which did not get an English release...except that you wouldn't want to because gameplay-wise it's just a worse version of Z2 Chaos. Basically, early on Japan really didn't like the PS4 and didn't want to develop any games for it so most of what the PS4 got were multiplatform releases and enhanced ports. Z2 Chaos is, gameplay-wise, an enhanced port of Z Kagura (which ran very poorly when it was ported to PS3 as it was optimized for 360). So that's why it's so weird.

[@sworddomo1951]

Rocksmith 2014 is stated by the devs as a replacement upgrade to rocksmith.

[@thelaughingrouge]

"I ain't defending any JoJo's part skipping... but I'll start at P3 all day!" Woolie has never been more right.

[@leithaziz2716]

I thought for a second he was talking about Persona 3. I'll admit I probably enjoyed JoJo Part 3 the least of all parts when I watched it, mostly because the "monster of the week" formula really didn't do it for me. It felt like the pacing dragged. The main cast was great though.

[@joaocreature]

@@leithaziz2716 He is talking about Persona 3.

[@thelaughingrouge]

He's absolutely talking about Persona, but yeah the "JoJo starts at Stardust Crusaders" is kinda the same vibe.

[@Drawersama]

P2 writing is better. But is a proper SMT so of course. Also they aren't really connected, have even less in common than Castlevania so is easy to start from 1,3,4,5 or whatever will be release next.

[@gummyboots]

I read part 6 and only part 6 years ago

[@navarroguard7911]

If nioh wasnt a loot game i would love it. Had to stop playing it because all the looter shit bogged me down

[@vidjoegammer]

Is there an inventory limit in Nioh 2? I think my solution was to just have a bunch of crap that I got rid of every couple of hours.

[@PlamoTherapy]

There is. You can only have 500 piecrs of gear in your personal hammerspace. 4000 in the item box. The limit should only really come up when you are at the end end endgame semi-roguelite.

[@TheZajicekfarber]

I've always been annoyed by looting games too with the trash loot. It makes me feel sad how pointless 90% of the gear is. I recently picked up Diablo 3 on Switch because it was on sale, and I feel it's done the best streamline of any looter system I've played. Whenever you pick up anything, it gives you a little preview in the corner with a base stat sum up. If there's more green than red, equip it. If not you just press one button to instantly junk it, and you mass sell all junk at shops.

[@KickedBackL]

Ah shit. Here we go again

[@just_matt214]

*Pat has FAILED THE CHALLENGE!*

[@Tsunamidusher]

Question to you Monster Hunter vets: How many of you, when you start a new game in MonHun for the first time and you're dropped with your Sword n Shield, basic armor and a item box full of weapons. Did you strip naked, sell everything and start the game crafting everything you collect and scavenge through the tutorial missions? I ask cause starting at 48:09 - I say Pat is right that it's very anti-new player to just have a sword and shield and build outward, but it's not right to say it's a bad thing in general and it was 'miserable for everyone'. I disagree with that.

[@uberpinkwarrior]

I'm a vet, having played every MH game but the 1st, and I actually didnt really get into the series till gen and then went back to play 4U, 3U, and FU. I will tell you this right now: I grab my preferred weapon (changes every game) and immediately speed-run to bnahabras and grind them till I can make their armor, then just make do with whatever weapons I can slap together until I reach HR. Where I will then slap together some low level HR set like HR bnaha or (in world specifically) kulu yaku and use that till I can farm mid-late game sets. To further this: I literally had 3 sets of gear by the time I beat nergigante in MHW, and 1 was the free set you start with. The other 2 were the LR kulu and HR kulu sets. I then, after killing him and beating the base game, grinded out sets I actually planned to use. Also because I'm insane I prefer playing solo and hating life every second I play till I get my endgame sets because HO BOI SHOULD YOU NOT DO THIS BECAUSE WOW ARE YOU FRAGILE if you are like me and dont even bother upgrading that armor at all cause it is just temp and your brain says dont waste the upgrade mats on temp gear. The only exception to this was my very first MH game, MH Tri (ended up dropping it b4 I got into the series properly with Gen), where I actually went out and constantly made new sets and would be like "OH THIS SET HAS +3 DEFENSE OVER MY OLD SET TIME TO FARM OUT THE ENTIRE SET!"

[@RavenCloak13]

Oh no, it was shit. I just used the Sword and Shield in the first one till I was able to buy Great Sword because you HAD NO OTHER WEAPONS TO GET. You only had Sword and Shield starting out. Main hate though was the fucking controls more then anything because it was original DMC controls that you control sword swings with the left stick. Though I was playing the PSP version and bought Monster Hunter 1 and 2 for that at the same time so switched to 2 and never looked back and was happy my items carried over from MH1 so I could out and out upgrade stuff way faster and get into the swing easier. MH2 and Freedom Unite were the games I put the most time in and just felt like massive improvements. MH1 was ass in terms of how fucking fast Velociprey, the base velociraptor small monster enemy could just swarm you and juggle you in the air infinitely and also had the fact monsters didn't hurt each other when they ran into you.. Bullfango and Vespoids were also even more annoying still going forward as Bullfango charged EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. and you would just be forced to kill them to not have to deal with them. Vespoids were just problems because the way the fly and move kept you from being able to hit them reliably and they could paralyze you at the worse of times as they only go after you. When people say Monster Hunter got easier it's because of QoL updates. Better hitboxes, monsters actually can hurt each other, small monsters didn't swarm you to death, most monsters can't just turn on a dime and have better hitboxes so the charge tackles don't have damage auras. You can move during healing instead of going to a different section of the map to heal so the monster can't hit you. People who bitch it got easier are just weird masochists and nothing else. They also complain about things not being hard when they literally haven't put hard mode into Rise like they didn't in Worlds and keep forgetting how G Ranks were updates to the games in the form of A NEW GAME. The first games was super anti new player because most people won't want to go with that grind, it was experimental game and they updated a lot of stuff afterwards for just the update of the game and then the sequel.

[@boyo357]

I'd almost get these criticisms if Pat didn't play monster hunter where nothing matters as he says until you hit the like... whatver it's called post campaign thing (I don't play monster hunter) and ff14 which is just menu city?? so like what even...

[@Toksyuryel]

Dragon Quest Builders 2 is another example of a sequel that makes you never want to play the first game again.