Nissan Leaf 24 kWh 1000 km challenge part 2

[@Mtatc1]

Charging stop kWh time kW % 1 5,14 11:39 26,59 12-44 2 3,19 06:30 29,45 27-45 3 3,681 07:09 30,89 23-45 4 6,457 14:20 27,09 16-55 5 7,203 15:32 27,83 19-63 6 9,174 17:37 31,25 10-67 7 7,044 15:30 27,27 18-62 8 6,716 18:45 21,49 22-64 9 5,072 14:34 20,90 17-48 10 3,447 09:09 22,60 27-47 11 kem - - - 12 5,818 21:25 16,30 22-58 13 5,683 19:58 17,08 15-49 14 5,963 24:55 14,36 21-58 15 4,049 13:06 18,55 27-51 16 3,713 14:20 15,58 34-57 17 4,224 14:20 17,72 18-44 18 2,602 08:15 18,92 23-39 19 10,1 41:00 14,78 28-87 20 7 21:00 20,00 14-58 21 4,468 15:45 17,02 28-56 22 5,081 18:12 16,75 25-56 23 8,219 32:00 15,41 21-71

[@artokiiskinen1058]

I think this is another category of 1000 km test, quite interesting: 10 year old EV 1000 km challenge. It will be very interesting in few years time to see how different brands maintain their battery capacity.

[@egil-andrenessmortensen3037]

And very Tesla Bjørn 😅 he has everything in the spreadshieeeeets anyway 💪

[@apocrypth]

soon we can get ioniq 28kwh test and 1st gen kia soul?

[@larsenpetter]

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[@stigohara4961]

By the time you are back at home, your daughter will already be at school....

[@artokiiskinen1058]

or there will be a new Project Binky episode

[@davidz1264]

🥳 Best 1000km challenge ever 👍🏼

[@michaolszewski892]

👍👍👍

[@desthureson9171]

Huge effort Bjørn!

[@davidmenasco5743]

It's like a tour of every charging station in Norway. This and the beautiful scenery makes for a great video.

[@kleincamper]

I'm tempted to try this with our old Zoe from 2012. We have a SOH of 88% after 225.000km. Which seems quite good compared to this Leaf...

[@Scitch87]

Would be awesome if Bjørn could do that trip with your Zoe and put in on youtube as well. But i guess he needs a short break after this trip. xD

[@AA-lc6yi]

Hey, quick question - how do you find out your SOH on a Zoe? I have a 2020 ZE50 and would like to see how much it's degraded. 😀

[@kleincamper]

@@bernhardleopold6702 I know. 😉 I rarely had a battery temperature above 36°C. Not even in the summer time. And I reckon I could even go faster, around 110kph.

[@DiyRun]

​@@AA-lc6yiHi! CanZE plus and OBD bluetooth dongle.

[@Влад-и8ь3х]

Wow, you have a good SOH , interesting do you use fast charging? I have the SOH 72% after 186.000 km

[@davidwatson22]

19.5 hrs that's one epic trip, but I have to say it "you should have bought a Tesla ". Looking forward to when you finally do a 1000km trip in the Dacia Spring it's got to be quicker than a 10year old Leaf 😂

[@RadG.]

Bravo Björn! You knew it will be tough and yet you survived! Congrats! 💪

[@ora10053]

Epic trip! I'm repeating myself but your 1000 km challenges are the best thing ever in EV youtube space.

[@daver3681]

Bjorn great to see this challenge. I remember back when the Leaf was fairly new and you did road tests in them, I bought my first EV a 30 kWh Leaf back then because of your videos. I have since sold that and I have been driving a 2018 Bolt that I have put 87000 miles on and had the recall battery replacement at 75k. The new battery is awesome and increased my range from 230 miles to 250+ depending on conditions. What I am most amazed with is in this video is seeing the charging infrastructure changes. So many chargers at key locations and high speed too, "oh ya". The US is far behind Norway, I charge at home almost 99% of the time, but when I travel I still have to look up stops and plan best places to charge. Always enjoy your videos!

[@wally1957]

The US is behind Norway because fuel has been reasonably cheap in the States. Fuel is however on the rise and EV's are increasing. I still think it's strange that Norway charges it's citizens extremely high fuel prices even though they are one of the richest oil producers and they also sell fuel cheaper to other countries. I lived there for a couple of years 22 years ago.

[@Fresch90O]

A great Demonstration of your "Sitzfleisch" 😂. Good Work!

[@fleecystheking]

That old LEAF only took 3 more hours than a brand spankin’ new Honda e to do 1000 km. That Honda e is just sad!

[@pawekropi5077]

If the battery SOH were closer to 100%, it would smash the Honda 😅.

[@Mongooseman121]

Funny thing is though… having owned a 24kwh leaf back in the day, if my budget was only a few thousand £/Eur/$ for a car I’d still prefer a Leaf over the equivalent price fossil car. It’s quiet, smooth, dirt cheap to charge at home and for most local journeys the limited range isn’t an issue. I’d just build in more time (a lot!) for the very occasional longer journey

[@elektrykiemEU]

Let's see if after 2-4 weeks, when battery cools down, gets few full cycles on schuko the SOH will not drop down of 5 or more %. I did few similar challenges with leafs (about 1500 kms) but not so exhaustive, with longer breaks, and usually SOH went down after few weeks.

[@decimal1815]

My work commute is about 40km. But there are free AC chargers when I get there, so the old Leaf still makes sense. I don't even have to charge to 100%. The only problem is when hybrids or large SUV EVs hog the chargers all day when they don't need to.

[@samusaran7317]

Greedy egos sadly

[@ndc5544p]

Brings me back when I did 1000km with my 41kWh Zoe on AC.

[@Mtatc1]

With 22 kW AC? I think average speed is the same, about 50 kmh

[@swecreations]

@@Mtatc1No I think it's actually a bit faster. 22kwh Q210 with 43kW AC would be the fastest though.

[@thomaskristo]

What was the total charge cost?

[@showme360]

Having own a 2015 Leaf I new this was possible due us going to Germany at least 4 times over 3 years from mid Wales, but what impressed me most was those charging hub and stations loving the layout. There is so much the UK could learn from these charging stations and make people perhaps use your videos to show how its did as an example to MP and councillors and alike!!

[@wiezyczkowata]

just goes to show that if the charging infrastructure was as good in every country as it is in Norway people wouldn't be so scared to buy electric cars, even Leafs 😁

[@huboz0r]

Growing a beard in a 1000km challenge. Will be hard to top this collosal achievement.

[@thecrow3461]

I take my hat off for you for doing this challenge in a leaf with this much battery degredation (i think its closer to 50% than 66%) . Respect!

[@timstanley5920]

Brilliant, my favourite 1000km Challenge of them all!

[@ElectricMikeEV]

Amazing 1000km challenge 😉 as a former 3x leaf owner (30-40-62) and two env200 (24-40) it was especially interesting

[@sandancer5382]

Welcome to the world of LEAF

[@Sanjayadon]

Hi Bjørn, can you check with Waldemar to see if he can block the passive cooling and add a thermal management system to cool or heat the pack from the exterior? I bet it will improve the range!

[@Влад-и8ь3х]

Wow I'm shocked no degradation after this trip . I heard fast charging is bad for a Leaf, but I saw no one percent of degradation:) Bravo!

[@yvs6663]

imo he would have to AC charge it till the car stops charging to see a proper SOH anyways. but even than the number wouldn't be exactly the same because of the temperature.

[@Marco_Dubbleyou]

The one and only true He-Man, the real deal, the top of the pack… Mr Bjørn Nyland!🎉

[@decimal1815]

Leaf version 1 is going to be a classic one day. Not really a viable car for general use now, but it was so well designed when it came out and is so nice to drive. Getting dirt cheap in the UK too.

[@marcsimmonds5483]

Still good around town. I never drove my Leaf more than about 50kms away from home but still used it a lot.

[@callumcurtis15]

​@@marcsimmonds5483Yeah, I don't think a lot of people realise how many of their journeys could easily be done by this car. So many people like to think they drive hundreds of miles but in reality most are less than 10 mile trips.

[@nakfan]

What a challenge 😮‍💨 Hats off to you… I really enjoyed this ride 👍

[@supamario3055]

27:20 when there is no adequate shelter, or if it is just too cold/dark/wet/windy to exit the vehicle to charge, this is where inductive charging is very welcome.

[@davidkendall2272]

Wow, super impressive to see you endure this 1000 km challenge, 19.5 hours is indeed painfull to watch and endure! Too bad that Nissan failed to improve the Leaf significantly given their first mover advantage. Would never work for me, but might work for some folks for local commutes.

[@wally1957]

Race cars use vents with hoses to route cool air and I think you would benefit from adapting this technology to the battery compartment. Your English is really good. I lived in Norway for a couple of years and my son has lived their for 22 years.

[@rogerbakke2566]

Thank you, Bjørn! Good old days :D

[@thomashierzberger6945]

Some Years ago at Nissan: "Hey, we have the best-selling EV in the World. Idea: We stop improving it, maybe this will keep it on the top." 2 Years later: "Sales dropped siginificantly. What do we do? Nothing! Yes, great Idea!" Another 2 years pass: "Sales dropped even more, I think we should continue with our Strategy" Now: "The Leaf isn't successful, let's stop the Programm altogether 😁...

[@Fredric169]

You have a much better infrastructure to load an EV vs Germany. Probably my next vacation goes to the north. I’m impressed by your patience! !

[@mateuszbalon3762]

Great job, please do 1000km with env200, it has kind a battery cooling

[@rodden1953]

That really annoys my chargers not having weather cover over them , i hardly use them but so often but half the time i have its been raining. just put solar panels on them .

[@Trades46]

Makes me wonder if an older Mitsubishi i-Miev would do better than the Leaf since the i-Miev actually has active air cooling in its battery pack, even if it is smaller than this Leaf.

[@ashton9699]

Yes

[@samusaran7317]

@@ashton9699 Especially a 30 kWh upgraded imiev

[@elit3darkness]

That battery pack was really cooking!

[@stianthomassen6693]

Pretty good for a battery that definitely was going to to be dead after five years I was told back in the day.

[@samusaran7317]

Ive heard 4 years on occasion

[@thenerd6192]

Plug in a lightning rod to the CHADEMO connector in a storm and get an instant 100% charge. (That’s how electricity works, right?)

[@qb4hkm]

Man, you deserve Nobel Prize for this. Enjoyed the video as usual 👍🏻

[@Blasterxp]

If you spray the bottom of the car with water, would that cool the battery extrA?

[@samusaran7317]

Thats cute

[@OskarPoplawski]

I did a 24h cycling challenge a few weeks back. managed 512km. Now I can compare my effort to a car. the Leaf only managed to be 2.397x faster than me on a bicycle :D

[@snofan9353]

Love the format of 1000 km om older, used cars!

[@valuerc2664]

25$ is not that terrible for a good lunch in the restaurant. Not cheap either, but with today prices and inflation I would say not terrible

[@mchipelo]

How Nissan thought that no active cooling would be a good idea still boggles my mind. Small battery being hammered by fast charging time and time again without any proper way to ditch the heat...good recipe for disaster. and why they kept at it for so many years...

[@jasonw98]

Japanese: if it sells, don't change it

[@mchipelo]

@@jasonw98 I work for a japanese company, on the automotive area and I can confirm, BUT, usually when shit happens they fix it fast..its been 10 years and still the Leaf has the same issue..

[@jasonw98]

@@mchipelo well, this doesn't categorised as an issue for them

[@mchipelo]

@@jasonw98 😂

[@koma-k]

Respect to Bjørn for subjecting himself to this... I'll give him a wide berth if I see him 'cause he's clearly mad...:-p We bought a LEAF when it came out (I was #2 on local dealer's wait list, so got one from the first shipment to Norway), and we had it for almost nine years. Would never even contemplate long distance travel in one though, even when new. Longest trip we took was 150km each way. It served us well and we liked it a lot, except for the app with its excruciatingly slow status updates and the poor BMS. In the end we replaced it with an Ampera-e as it struggled with wife's daily commute in winter - and it's only about a 50km total trip :-/

[@bobburlage]

Epic Bjorn! It's alive :-)

[@mikecounsell]

You need to do some deep fording every now and then to cool that thing down !!!

[@martijnkosters9024]

Hard days work Frankenbjørn!

[@jestronixhanderson9898]

Wow, ive still got 17kwh and thought that was low, this is next level. For my work i get home with 50% so i can power on for many years yet :)

[@alincioaba464]

Would you do a 1000 km chalange with a dacia spring?

[@Lestat1759]

Anything is better than an old Leaf. This "car" is only good for city driving. I envy your patience ! :) 19,5 hours :D It was considered a good run time in late 19th century :)

[@rohankilby4499]

Calad 😂 the way of the leaf 🙏

[@ryankassel5691]

Great work. Impressive effort and a good result

[@michalwrona8676]

LOVE 14:29 3 teslas S driving behind the truck and slower then 10 YO Leaf- #future :)))))))))))))

[@KapitanBombaKopa]

You told me that the test ain't gonna happen but you did it! 😅

[@bradallen1832]

Well done and informative. I'm dreaming of retrofitting slender heat pipes and switching matrix with heat pump system ... oh, but that costs money. Maybe a service for old Leafs, but it's a limited market share to people who don't want to spend money. I think of the most awful business plans so often.

[@tellusw9701]

Pro tip> use lowest setting (16) on climate control and adjust with fan. Then you do not waste energy heating upp the water as in the test (see leafspy)

[@jinny7]

Can we have a soh update on it in like 3months ? Iirc the BMS updates soh in relatively sizeable time intervals

[@poot86]

No battery cooling was the worst thing Nissan did to the leaf. I can do 2 rapid charges before my 30kWh boils over 😅 Tailgating trucks is the only way to get a long-distance trip done.

[@yvs6663]

ive done a couple of trips up to 600km with my 30kWh Leaf. it did most of it allright. except this year since it was simply way too hot and the battery stayed just below red even after a 3h rest with AC charging. the years before that, i could hope for the first charge to be a bit underpowered(due to cool battery), 2nd and 3rd to be ok, 4th to be slightly throttled(but nothing terrible, usually 38-40kW) and 5th to be in the 20s. but even the last charge bearly makes a difference since it usually only adds 10 min to the trip. but still, it would probably take an overnight stay with AC charging to travel any further with a car like that.

[@serhiy1237]

Björn. Legend

[@nikiskype123]

You should test Dacia Spring. At least it has CCS, but the battery is small and has no thermal management, and it is very underpowered even after facelift power upgrade to 65hp.

[@MrTeq333]

This is the main problem in central europe, comapnies are ripping out chademo chargers and are replacing them with CCS only...imagine buying 62 kWh LEAF now and finding out a year later you have nowhere to charge

[@sylvainjamais904]

Wow, A for dedication

[@NicolasVavassori]

Woow! Can you do It with Volkswagen e-up! 36kwh/h XD ???

[@discinfiltrator_games]

if you ask in Spain, up until 16:00 surely is lunch

[@Blasterxp]

What is the advantages of 20 types of chargers in 1 location? Is different locations like fuel ( you dont a Shell and BP pumps tigether)!!

[@Blasterxp]

And all chargers sell the same product. Only difference is maybe price ( with or without customer loyalty card).... More stalls, yess.... Mire brands, i dont understand

[@scottwitherstone9458]

@@Blasterxpi agree and am not sure. However, in the UK some companies seem to offer lower charge costs if you sign-up for monthly plan and pay a subscription. Appears to be worth doing if you drive loads of miles using fast-charge. Could this b3 the reason? As a UK ev-driver I just pray 🙏 that a charger on my route is 1. Unoccupied, 2. Working (and that the charge cable has not been stolen by metal recycling thieves) and 3. Accepts my stack of RFID cards/apps or my debit card. Long trips are getting easier here with some stations with more than five chargers, but there will be a lot of investment needed to move to the infrastructure of Norway.

[@NilsTillander]

Damn, I'm happy I got rid of my Zoe 40, it's getting impossible to find a charger for it on the move!!

[@matthiasknutzen6061]

Does it not even have a fan blowing through the battery?

[@StartledPancake]

A car with a battery size that matches my bladder size. That 55C plus battery temp must be absolutely killing the cells.

[@lesbendo6363]

Good question, what happens when a EV gets struck by lightning? 🇨🇦

[@hanso4830]

Are you gonna give this leaf a muxsan extended battery upgrade? Then do a new challange?

[@mikaelsvensson3365]

999.9 km is my favourite distance! 😂

[@simonbcity]

You are hard-core what a terrible frustrating trip ha

[@BarmiksYT]

Haha, lynlading. Bra jobba!

[@moestrei]

Ok its all fun, but dont forget the Leaf is one of the few EVs which can be bought cheaply 2nd hand AND is DIY repairable at relatively low cost due to being well documented (hello Elon.....) and parts available. Plus apart from the bad thermal management of the battery it is actually a well made car. What i really hate is that Nissan never bothered to fix the thermal management. There is something dark with EVs and the Japanese.

[@keny7269]

I think that the Jaguar I-pace ev400 might be the only car you haven’t done 1000km with yet.. well except the triplets ;) hmm

[@samusaran7317]

He should be on the look out for a upgraded 30 kWh Imiev.

[@atoomnet]

I feel a AC-only charging VW e-up 100km challenge coming up.

[@Sabanet]

You should buy the ecoflow air conditioner to cool down the battery!!!!

[@immanuelkantholz9033]

since I'm new to the ev drivers community this might be a stupid question: I never dared to rapid charge my 2016 Nissan Leaf if the battery temperature was too high but you don't seem to care. The users manual states that the battery shouldn't be charged if the temperature gauge was in the red area. What will happen to my battery if I still charge the battery at too high temperature? Can it be damaged this way?

[@yvs6663]

ive never had it go into red and stay in the red until the next charge. if its just below red it will throttle the charging speed. it should stop charging if there is any danger of damage to the battery.

[@koomaj]

Kempower for the win!

[@M0eses]

It‘s time to Leaf😉

[@thilinarupasinghe7968]

Now it's time to put Chinese CATL battery modules to this vehicle battery pack.

[@ElectricMikeEV]

Have you done 1000km challenge in env200 40kWh I've looked but cant see one. Go for it then you will really experience Rapidgate!!!

[@bradcollins4114]

i-Miev time?

[@marcuslejona]

New record! -Longer chargingtime than drivingtime.

[@bjornnyland]

Not at all. Driving time was about 12 hours and charging time 7.5 hours.

[@sridvan]

If ypu want to have leaf ypj should have garaje with AC. Last day before the trip put the garage ac max cold and let the car cool down. Other than that, everything is pain with this car.

[@DefiantAML]

Nissan just announced they will join NACS in the North America. Hopefully this is the begging of the end for Chademo. All future Nissan cars should come with NACS, everywhere. Not just NA.

[@zappbrannigan8325]

You can have The second Grande NACS, thank god europe has sense to Make CCS universal here

[@brucec954]

They said the Leaf in NA won't get NACS so means it's the end of the line for the Leaf. Too bad Nissan didn't do more with the Leaf.

[@bernardrr]

NACS can't handle 3-phase AC, that's why it isn't used outside of North America. We do have 3 phase in NA, but only in commercial buildings and larger apartments.

[@AllanSustainabilityFan]

@@zappbrannigan8325 NACS is superior to CCS by far: - v4 is 1000v can provide up to 1 gigawatt of power, and v2x capable. - More refined design that can provide both AC and DC with a single connectors. - Costs less for car makers to implement. - Costs 5x less than CCS when installing charging locations. But what's most important is that a common standard is set, so the US is finally starting to catch up to EU and China on this crucial point. I'm just glad the US got the best standard of the three, which is funny because they are the farthest behind on EV progress despite Tesla's great efforts. Ironic.

[@AllanSustainabilityFan]

@@bernardrr 3-Phase just means slower charging at home/hotel and such, which is not that big of a deal, the use case for slow charging is when parking for the night, the EV will generally be full in either EU or US scenarios by the time users want to drive away. The benefit of NACS connector is that it simplifies design greatly, making it possible to use a single connector to both slow and fast charge, so users don't have to fiddle between two plug types. It's also cheaper to implement for car makers, and 5x cheaper to install at charging stations in the US. But what matters the most is having a unified standard, and in this area CCS is fine for EU, while China has a unified system of its own as well, so the US is just starting to catch up in this area now. Ironically they end up with the best standard at least, maybe that will help things accelerate, as they could use any edge they can get.

[@niolait]

sorry bjorn is there worthed to buy a used Nissan leaf

[@edgartheunready]

I think the leaf will pull more power from the charger when ac is on. I’ve observed my 2013 doing that.

[@NISMOSkylineGTR]

No, it wont. Same issue in winter, when trying to use heater. If I run 5kw heat, I might still only get 10kw total from charger, if battery is past 70% soc. If I toggle heater om/off, it Will still take the same input power. Really stupid design....

[@keny7269]

Bjørn : Do you think there is a speed where the battery cools down towards 30 again where you can keep on going but avoid rapid gating? Would be an interesting test xD

[@miloszenko]

You must drive to keep temperature below 50 tran fast charging is going wellness, so lonitoring temperature is the key.

[@SandroAntonucci87]

you should do the same for the 2020 VW E-UP😂

[@davidz1264]

Maybe a fan, that pushes air under the car while charging, could help to mitigate the overheating battery

[@bradallen1832]

It is remarkably well insulated: not even wind or rain could cool it down.

[@callumcurtis15]

​@@bradallen1832Is it a sealed unit on the leaf then, no duct for cooling?

[@TheNewcastlePilot]

"Remember to ABC - Always Buy Calad"

[@tomascermak9205]

Good battery torture.

[@stealthhack]

I bet that one of the triplets will BEAT that time, with at least 5 or 6 hours.

[@itsmeQuiK]

Can you also do the 1000km challenge in the winter? 😅

[@sturlasjavik3312]

Yeh, that will be a 120 hour drive I think 😂

[@ashton9699]

@@sturlasjavik3312 Actually around freezing temp ambient is equilibrium point, where it is possible to drive-charge-repeat without rapidgate. If the test was done around -10 to -5c, it would be faster.

[@sturlasjavik3312]

@@ashton9699 I've tried to fastcharge a leaf in -25 C. It's like watching a tree grow 😵

[@MrTeq333]

the temperature drop after nebenes is because Bjorn charged to higher SOC - higher SOC means less resistance while driving, more cooling, trust me i drove 900 kms with my LEAF over alps, from 0m elevation to 1000 elevation and down to 150m elevation.

[@teagueman100]

Madlad!