Niv Mizzet vs Feather vs Sisay vs Kambal | S2 Fan Favorites | cEDH Gameplay | Casually Competitive

[@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG]

In case you missed it - Our schedule will return to normal starting next week (Supplementary videos on Tuesdays when able, gameplay videos on Friday). For next week's episode we are sleeving up some of the new C20 commanders we thought would be fun and built some decks around them. Since we are still unable to meet up in person, we will be streaming the matches over on Twitch this Friday (April 10 @ 7:30PM EST) before editing them down for KZbin: www.twitch.tv/casuallycompetitivemtg

[@slayerluva1]

All these comments, and not one mentioned Bill has his commander on his phone.

[@rongqiyu6916]

The most expensive single version

[@jfb-]

Imagine if he had to shuffle that into his library

[@adwins1257]

I was rooting for feather the whole time, I screamed when Ashiok was tutored up. I didn't really mind any of the Oracle wins this season but this is easily one of my favorite episodes for the abundance of interaction. Kambal is nasty too, I kinda want to sleeve something up with him now.

[@rjphilla]

He's awesome. Had a EDH deck with him for a while. But you do quickly become a target 😄

[@constance6198]

*Starting hand contains both suppression field and Sunforger* ooh boy this’ll be fun

[@tbuckland13]

Wow I'm pleasantly surprised to hear about the decision regarding Consultation, thank you

[@P4CCHU]

I really liked when I saw the Kambal on Bill's phone, it remembered me when I was trying to found a Nath of the Gilt-Leaf but absolutely NOBODY had one, so I had to use a picture of him in my phone as my Commander. Great content as always!

[@TheMaddestHatter234]

Facu :v I have a copy I got a while back from an lgs that was selling packs of unseen 10 random standard bulk rares for 2 or 3$. I got that, a paradoxical outcome, and a lifecrafter’s bestiary, so, it was pretty neat

[@TheJustinist]

8:49 - Transmute costs {2} more due to the Suppression Field (Field doesnt make a reference to the battlefield, so it affects all zones). You had 2 lands tapped before you activated it and now 5 lands tapped for 3 mana. (doesnt really effect the board since you didnt use your crypt)

[@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG]

Good catch. I had the my turn and mana usage planned out ahead of time including the Suppression Field tax, just forgot to actually tap Crypt when it came to my turn

[@lars2225]

@@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG At ~7min there is also a missed tax from the field, from activating the ability of dawn of hope

[@TheJustinist]

@@lars2225 Dawn of Hope's draw card ability is not affected by Suppression Field as it is a triggered ability (doesnt have a colon)

[@jakobostheimer4066]

TheJustinist isnt transmite a sorcery tho

[@kwikdraw7332]

@@jakobostheimer4066 Transmute is an activated ability that can only be done at Sorcery speed.

[@robertbauerle5592]

WOW that niv-mizzet opening hand That's a snap keep if I've ever seen one

[@Narabedla4]

i really really enjoy the idea of "casually competetive" competetively minded decks without the complete sushihulk meta. Also a fan of *not* including iso+rev in niv, which is debatable, but i'm a firm believer of curiosity effect + niv/minotaur pirate is enough of a wincon, you ain't gonna race fast combo decks anyway and not playing iso-rev means you opens slots for more interaction, which otherwise would be tutors like fabricate. (not to mention, my competetively minded, far from competetive, curious niv deck was built on a budget, so most free counterspells and good manarocks were out of reach, making iso-rev inaccessible anyways)

[@brandonphipps_PP]

What is the "Rev" part of that combo?

[@Narabedla4]

@@brandonphipps_PP dramatic *rev*ersal dram scepter or iso+rev as a shorthand (generates infinite mana, if you have 3 mana in non land sources and infinite cast triggers)

[@koreyg8552]

Agreed, niv doesn’t have a mana dump ability like Thrasios so it’s really pointless to aim for infinite mana, you have three curiosity cards, you have brallin and glint horn in the 99. That’s more than enough to win the game

[@Narabedla4]

@@koreyg8552 you don't aim necessarily for infinite mana with isorev in niv, but for infinite spell casts, which draws your deck with niv and finishes like curiosity.

[@koreyg8552]

Narabedla thats useless in niv, most people use iso in a build like this to copy artifact and then do infinite swans as an alternate win.

[@chimneyimp1486]

this was my favourite episode by far. it was really fun to watch

[@aorusaki]

wooow i just found this channel its EXACTLY what I need! Spicy but still competitive :)

[@josephs.4813]

Ayeee y’all are back! Edit: On a side note your set up looks just as good here as it does in person. Quality content despite the fact we shouldn’t gather.

[@ElucidYT]

Check out 4:48 it is in person

[@Sliver_Boi]

This one was recorded a little while ago so it was before we started quarantining. Now we are just doing streams and webcam stuff

[@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG]

This one actually was recorded in person a few weeks ago, but overall the quality of the future videos shouldn't be affected too drastically. The webcam quality is slightly lower than our normal camera quality but overall the videos shouldn't suffer too much

[@josephs.4813]

Elucid good catch I didn’t even notice.

[@mn6334]

That was fun. I had a Sisay Superfriends deck for a while but it never really played out all that well and I've since taken it apart. Kambal also seemed pretty strong against multiple non-creature based decks.

[@BossofBlades]

Not sure if stated but around the 9 minute mark the drift of phantasms transmute ability should've costed 2 more because of suppression field. I can't tell if he simply payed using his mana crypt due to its placement, just wanted to point out the additional cost.

[@trialbyicecream]

This was my first game watching. Great narration - really helped me follow and enjoy the game!

[@Belena711]

This was a fantastic. Loved the decks and the game! I could probably watch exactly this match up quite a few more times. haha

[@jlbrooks74]

Great gameplay. Love the interactions

[@aorusaki]

I loove the mats too!and the current stack thing too haha

[@chachi_arcola]

Kambal and Niv, 2 of my favorite decks 🖤 Thanks gents!

[@kwikdraw7332]

6:12 Curious why Joseph took the smaller pile from FoF. He already had access to RRR from basic Mountain + Sulfur Falls + Arcane Signet, so he didn't need the Sulfur Falls, and I'm guessing he had no plans to cast Drift of Phantasms (since he later transmuted it). Taking the larger pile would have given him a guaranteed 2 land drops as well as a re-buy on Muddle the Mixture either to protect his combo turn or to transmute for something else.

[@bluesmanshoes]

Cause Drift gives him the combo, and muddle doesnt. Pretty obvious no?

[@kwikdraw7332]

Wow. I was thinking about the cost for transmute being the same as opposed to the cmc of the spells being different (and important.) Makes sense now that my brain is working properly.

[@beaushorkey9313]

Lot more entertaining than just playing the I Win card.

[@colinfowler3021]

Why does Nicol Bolas suddenly go from 2 to 3 loyalty at 21:36? That gives Jordan another destroy creature ability that it doesn't look like he should have had.

[@greatbrandini3967]

Looks like Jordan proliferated somehow, because all of his permanents got another counter. Maybe a Karn's Bastion activation somewhere

[@colinfowler3021]

@@greatbrandini3967 I guess, but he doesn't tap anything... It's the end of the game, so perhaps he just said that's what he was doing without physically doing it. Though I didn't notice the Karn's Bastion until you said something. It's definitely there, so he had it available.

[@josueantonio12]

How awesome a game can be without Consultation. Good show from Feather!

[@owneyw4374]

My baby boy returns!

[@thumbwrestler12]

That was an interesting game to see

[@comedyman4896]

I think this might be the first time I've ever seen someone die from commander damage

[@snorri0411]

ohhhh that Ashiok was spicy :D And sheesh that Kambal did a lot of work

[@LucksackGames]

@21:40 Vraska doesn't have a -2 ability (Doesn't matter since she had 4 loyalty)

[@Worldwave]

Sunforgering up a Chance for Glory during his turn would win Adam the game - or even Teferi's Protection during Jordan's turn. Sunforger being allowed to exist on the board with Feather is such a strong combination. However, the Ashiok answer was so cool to watch happen. This episode was great!!!

[@josephrivera9818]

Love that Ashiok play! That was sweet!

[@arborliberum8888]

Hey guys i really enjoy watching your videos great job!!!

[@rjphilla]

Oooo. I had a Kambal deck for a few years. He's nasty!

[@robertmcpherson138]

A Casually Competitive MTG game that DOESN'T end with Thasa's Oracle? HERESY DETECTED! lol

[@aedanhannabeshoi]

The only thing I love more than a cEDH consolation deck, is a deck thats twice as nutty and powerful

[@hectormorales4090]

I really loved and ejoyed this game. Keep up the good content dudes!

[@autobotjazz1972]

Great match. I was really pulling for Feather to pull it off.

[@Sniperfuchs]

I'd be really curious to hear from Jordan how well his deck does, maybe even in different metas if he's tested that. My own Sissay Superfriends deck in a more casual meta has always struggled because it's a lot more creature heavy due to the casual nature, so it was really hard to get Sissay's power up high enough to be useful. I love the idea of her being this combo tutor very late in the game to finish, but also being a toolbox to tutor out stuff like Ashiok at instant speed like here. Maybe I'm just building my deck wrong or is it really more the meta that stops it from working for me?

[@brennanwwheeldon8926]

Sniperfuchs I don’t know what your meta is like but creature heavy is usually fine. I like to use a Bruse tarl type effect giffing sisay +2 +2 due to the color and double strike and lifelink with his ability then just kinda toolbox your way to the finish line

[@cultgrey2329]

great game. thanks for the break downs.

[@修艾爾西休斯]

14:11 Sisay should win, At first !!!! Jace, Cunning Castaway =>change to Aminatou, the Fateshifter Step 1)Tamiyo, the Moon Sage => Use the skill1 target the Adam's Mountain(prevent the Sunforger) Step 2) Those Sisay is 6/6 =>can find in man cost 5 , Find the Aminatou, the Fateshifter Step 3) Sisay is 8/8 =>can find in man cost 7 ,Find Teferi, Temporal Archmage, Untap 3 land and Faeburrow Elder Step 4)Find Oath of Teferi Step 5)Aminatou, the Fateshifter Exile Teferi, Temporal Archmage, than Untap 3 land and Faeburrow Elder Step 6) Find Nicol Bolas, Dragon-God , Step 7) Now your SUPERFRIENDS can active ability twice, and Nico / Aminatou can Exile each other , and you have infinity mana . You can win by any thing in your deck.

[@ElucidYT]

12:39 did Adam pay the supression field tax to equip the sunforger? Didn't see it

[@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG]

He taps 3 lands and his Sol Ring for the equip cost

[@BackgroundNoisex]

Man I was rooting for feather the entire time.

[@guardbreak4034]

Feather, the Redeemed became the people's champ with that game!

[@adrianvideche4179]

No Demonic consultation :D awesome!

[@lennyfacetd9078]

Really disappointed that there’s no Chance for glory in the feather deck, that card can win games and is searchable with sunforger

[@iamyourpc]

I was really hoping for that too

[@Sliver_Boi]

Yeah I forgot that you could only grab instants with sunforger and I was gonna grab a sorcery speed extra combat step at the end. I have since added that card because we talked about how I could have grabbed it during the game

[@jua3000]

@@Sliver_Boi also is the list diferent from the tcgplayer because i'm not seeing suppression field in there?

[@Sliver_Boi]

@@jua3000 ahh my bad I added that right before we started playing the game that day after talking to the other guys, must have forgot to put it in the list after the game

[@Murkaeus]

-11:08-- Minor nitpick here. Ophidian Eye doesn't actually fizzle. Auras resolve even if their target becomes invalid and go to the graveyard at the next state check. If there was any ETB for the aura, it would still happen.- EDIT: I've been living a lie. Ignore me pls.

[@wesley147208]

I think you've got that wrong mate. An aura spell that has its target made illegal will fizzle according to rule 608.3a and rule 608.2b. The only aura exceptions are cards with the bestow mechanic.

[@Murkaeus]

@@wesley147208 Yup, checks out. Not sure where I got that idea from, but I was clearly wrong.

[@JacobBos1988]

That Feather deck is a thing of beautiful

[@ronaldzecca97]

so much more fun then demonic consultation games

[@Skelliiie]

this man really got his commander on a phone

[@Thyeggman]

I really enjoy your commentary on the matches. One small nit: players don't respond to "moving to X step," they just get priority during the step before it. You don't respond to moving to different steps, so saying "at the end of Adam's/whoever's X step" would be more correct

[@MJnyxstar]

It's just semantics. According to you, you don't respond to a spell either, you just get priority after it's out on the stack. It's perfectly reasonable to say in response to going to a phase.

[@saevin7th]

At 10:10, shouldnt ancient tomb not be free to tap and give 1 red mana since it's a nonbasic land and bloodmoon resolved?

[@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG]

You are correct - Bill should be at 2 higher life from that point on. This was a mistake with the editing process, it was played correctly in game (I double checked the notes to verify), I just saw an Ancient Tomb being tapped and defaulted to taking life away while editing

[@saevin7th]

@@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG To be fair after watching the game it was mostly irrelevant since he died to feather anyway

[@artofyesterday1398]

didn't feather have lethal ? if he attacked Jordan instead giving his token doublestrike he would've died right ? or did i miss something ?

[@benedictbienias394]

Yeah, seems like got set off by the ashiok, he had the kill...

[@NMS127]

Dockside token isn't multicolored. And I think he was one mana short of casting Feather, Heat Shimmer on Feather, Sunforger and Psychotic Fury on the token.

[@artofyesterday1398]

@@NMS127 oh yeah, it was multicolored. my bad

[@breadstyx]

feather should have tutored for a gods willing instead of a pyroblast would replace sheltering light

[@alecolson8360]

Damn such nice editing

[@romnicksalvador8348]

Jordan's playmat is Goku and friends

[@Flawed_Truth]

Is there a reason Jordan doesn't run Godo/Helm combo in Sisay? I find it to be the most consistent and easiest to set up combo for her. It only takes 1 Sisay activation, 2 with a Torpor Orb in play, the end step before your combo turn

[@lepromisedmonke7012]

I would argue the Nicol bolas + Aminatou + oath of teferi route is better as 5 mana from bloom tender, dockside extortionist, or faeburrow elder will win you the game on the spot if you have sisay out. Doesnt involve going to combat or expensive equip costs and is super hard to interact with because of it relying off plainswalkers. Also has the cool caviot of creating infinite mana, exiling your opponents hands and permanents and, if you have ashiok in your deck, exiling their library and graveyard. I will say Godo is a decent option though. I am not in particular a fan of the way he built his deck as he was running expensive walkers that really didnt accelerate his win con or stop other people from winning dramatically.

[@thetiger51]

Why are the Draw damage from Niv-mizzet not being counted as Commander damage?

[@timothyvandenberg2905]

Epic game! Thanks!

[@rockyrocks5626]

You guys could use tabletop simulator for commander, if u guys cant meet up in person

[@thevainestsafe]

Bill's playmat is soooooooooooooooooooo sick. Tell me where to get and make sure you get the monies for it pls

[@rexone9564]

This was great! Question though how can niv mizzet kill the table? If he gets into a loop it could easily be 120 life points to kill the table..

[@GlichCentral]

Rex One ideally your cEDH deck should be able to win once you’ve drawn your whole deck and killed 2 players.

[@erickignacioferreira8143]

You put effects that shuffle your graveyard or hand into your library so you can keep going. Usually it is Elixir of Immortality. Ulamog and Kozilek works when you discard them to handsize. Torbran triples the damage. And you can just win the game with Lab Maniac, Tassa's Oracle and Jace.

[@balaneopteramusculus]

Nice decks!!!

[@Oblivionknight]

Great game!

[@freyak5401]

Are these decks slower but consistent? I can't quite tell. All jokes aside, I think coming up with better descriptions would be quite helpful

[@orsettomorbido]

What a GREAT game!

[@milkbreadtb8468]

Adam could have won there right? I'm hoping I'm not just crazy. But he could have played the dockside played feather made a hasty token equipped sunforger and give it doublestrike for 14 damage against 10 hp.

[@NMS127]

I think he was one mana short.

[@samuelkabab7421]

The -3 of teferi doesn't untap two land, but nice game !

[@geovanisainosflores6685]

He used Nicol Bolas to untap the lands.

[@shilohartisan]

Are all nonbasics Mountains even after Blood Moon is gone?

[@benedictbienias394]

Kind of sad that Adam oversaw the kill in the Dockside turn, giving his 6/2 hasty token double strike via psychotic fury. But glad feather did so well and imo won the round.

[@LordTentai]

Psychotic Fury only gives multicolored creatures double strike.

[@benedictbienias394]

@@LordTentai then recast feather with the treasures from Dockside, make a token copy of feather, equip sunforger and then fury

[@kalebel-khatib796]

Unless I missed it, Jordan wasn't paying 2 to activate his planeswalker abilities the whole game.

[@Reynewang]

At 14:30 its specifically said he did so for example, so I assume he paid the mana dutifully until he removed the suppression field.

[@kalebel-khatib796]

@@Reynewang yep, you're right, I just missed it.

[@Princess_Weekes]

yessss SISAYYYYY

[@king_eternal]

Love the channel, I refer all my friends here because the decks aren't weak or geared to sell merchandise because of sponsorships. I love the graphics too. However, between the graphics and the crazy vibrant playmats, I found this episode harder to follow gameplay. I was too distracted with all the images. You guys should get uniform custom playmats of the Chanel logo or something to causes less of a visual distraction maybe.

[@fienddube]

I’m guessing Joseph is new to Niv. Tell him that’s not the way to play the deck, just tapping out and running Niv out there repeatedly. You don’t want to cast Niv until it’s winning time WITH interaction/protection/counter spells up. Instead, what you want to do is play a draw-go game, ramping and sculpting your hand, and defending yourself when you’re attacked (I use bounce spells primarily, since the threat of getting their creature bounced often means opp’s learn not to attack you. Or pillow fort cards like Propaganda and Silent Arbiter). Then, when you’ve drawn a bunch of cards and sculpted a strong hand, and you’ve got mana to cast Niv, cast a Curiosity effect, AND defend the combo, you go for the win. And not until. Niv is a mana intensive, brittle combo. You’ve got to have interaction up to defend it. Good game guys!

[@oftenbetterthanone]

great game. Niv almost stole it there.

[@moldytaters4190]

Feather was so close!!!!!!!

[@tiagoabner]

Quick question: why isn't Feather running Teferi's Protection? It is searchable with Sunforger and it's a reasonable card in the deck.

[@SrDonJugo]

Because that feather list is horrible? No blinks, no etb synergies

[@sindoray2094]

Challenge: Play a match with Demonic Constellation without Thassa's Oracle, and a match without Demonic Constellation with Thassa's Oracle. Both matches should be played with the same decks.

[@kwikdraw7332]

What would be the point of this challenge? Demonic Consultation without Thassa's Oracle can still win with Lab Man or Jace, Wielder of Mysteries, and even without those, is an instant speed tutor (although with a huge potential downside). If you're running Thassa's Oracle and Demonic Consultation, there's a greater-than-zero-percent-chance you're running Tainted Pact as well, so Oracle still has a win now card tied to it.

[@MrYost-xx5bj]

How about an Edric infinite turns combo with thassa or conjures closet and eternal witness or Archeomancer. Or a Chainer Dementia Master deck with Xia dun the one eyed+ Solem sim + bubbling muck + amulet of vigor + Chainer for near infinite mana. Also of course k'rrk and Gary and Chainer etc.

[@smitchy657]

They do say its a casually competitive channel :-)

[@gangrel1234]

Way more enyojable to watch

[@Mtglilypads]

Once he played jace he would of won but he decided to try and kill feather instead of winning?

[@rexone9564]

Mason Rocco are we assuming he runs oath of teferi?

[@ElucidYT]

4:48 & 6:07 Thought this was a webcam game to prevent spread of COVID-19

[@Sliver_Boi]

We are doing webcam magic now, this one wa just recorded a while ago before quarantine started for us

[@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG]

As Adam mentioned, we recorded this video a few weeks ago when we were still comfortable meeting in groups fewer than 5 people; however, moving forward the gameplay footage will be over webcam. We will be using background footage from our streams in order to get the gameplay content for future videos

[@nasaya77]

Feather did so awesome! I like my feather deck but I feel like I keep getting horrible luck.

[@Giga-lemesh]

Wow, what a game

[@mcseal-j7m]

The feather deck really needs Chance of Glory since its a sunforger deck. If it had that card the feather deck would have won this game. It combos with angels grace for an extra turn with out dying and both cards can be tutored with sunforger

[@KippSa]

That was an awesome game

[@johnsegura6635]

Why Jordan didn't get teferi oaths to finish the game early

[@FaustTheThird]

Cool stuff

[@uriahatkinson2103]

Kambal g g...need more like it...can we get a deck tech

[@NaviTheMD]

Why not attack with the token and give him double strike ??

[@centerofthesea9180]

Jordan didnt pay the Pact of Negation cost or am I missing something?

[@kalebel-khatib796]

Pact was countered

[@spowox]

ya he tutored a pyroblast via sunforger... maybe a other in indestructible spell would be a better option. Then he would lose "sheltering light" but jorden need to pay the pact

[@breadstyx]

@@spowox gods willing was the optimal choice i think

[@lepromisedmonke7012]

Sisay player: you should be running Aminatou instead of Jace. She is just better. Additionally, you should put derevi in there as you can go tap faeburrow, tutor derevi, untap faeburrow, tutor aminatou, flicker derevie, untap faeburrow, tutor nicol bolas, flicker derevi, untap faeburrow, tutor oath of teferi, and then win in a plethora of ways.

[@greatbrandini3967]

Nicol Bolas can make non-legendary token copies of himself using Jace's ultimate

[@lepromisedmonke7012]

@@greatbrandini3967 That he can and the outcome is i.e the same. However aminatou is 3 mana and gives you three colors while jace is 4 mana and gives you one. Aminatous abilities are generally better and her win is more consistent; you will win on the spot if you choose the aminatou combo. With jace you have to pass the turn with them not having permanents or cards in hand and then you have to spend 3 turns killing with commander damage. Aminatou creates infinite mana, can tutor out your entire deck and give you as many planeswalker activation triggers as you want. With this i bring out ashiok and exile their entire libraries and graveyard and then pass the turn to win. Much quicker win, more synergistic, more reliable, and just overall better

[@francesthebard2758]

@Trevor Pister Do you have a list you can share?

[@MedeivalWarfare]

Amazing!

[@thisisarecording]

great game

[@crissmith7398]

Wack I see that Feather deck!

[@Zero4revolution]

Feather is powerhouse here. Sisay should thank to Feather for eliminating those two :D Niv-Parun was a bit greedy...

[@xChikyx]

wow, that feather :o

[@StrongButAwkward]

I gotta be honest, I think Feather being turned at Bill to alpha him instead of Jordan was a play mistake. Between those board states the Sisay deck's was just far more gummed up and full of value Feather was just not going to be able to deal with given another few turns. Add to that how hard Jordan tried to get rid of Feather that turn and you know how scared of it he was, he was trying to stop an alpha strike he couldn't survive. I understand that Kambal was draining Adam out and it was putting him to a low life total as well, but Bill was also immediately killable by Feather (even holding up spells to not get drained he was within reach, or a single removal prior to combat could have opened up his ability to cast) as well and while it's not that he didn't have plenty of resources, so did Jordan, and the extent of his resources was far more known. By killing Bill instead of Jordan you get rid of an unknown amount of problem and keep a problem you *know* you can't actually deal with. I think Adam was in a hard place either way, but I think a 1v1 vs Bill and Kambal was more winnable than the 1v1 he had lined up with Jordan. Possible the biggest play mistake was no one ever removing Kambal off a table with lots of non-creature casting imo.

[@9Pifias]

I love the playermats. I want one :(

[@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG]

Soon

[@edilfonsocamacho888]

Wao, excelent match

[@feminhodiniz]

So, if it was me playing Feather, after the e jordan's attack I would totally kill him just because of the rage... Nice play

[@spencersonnier1]

Let’s be honest we are all cheering for the Feather deck.

[@spencersonnier1]

Larry Byrd I don’t know about a cheater. It was an honest mistake. Also I was cheering for the deck. Not the player.

[@somefishhere]

@Larry Byrd adam tapped the sol ring. he paid

[@Leonardo_sil]

@Larry Byrd he paid

[@roo6475]

I was not