No B&R Announcement Until August 26!? - WOTC Is Doubling Down

[@TinyLokiGaming]

The juxtaposition of the doubling down by WOTC on reinforcing their dates and the Pauper panel doing an emergency ban on Cranial Ram because of Paupergeddon just shows how Player-First Pauper as a format is 😊

[@StarDevilRedrixsWhisper]

And that is why I only play Pauper at my LGS and EDH with my playgroup now.

[@Xoulrath_]

Both are extremes that shouldn't happen. Pauper might have needed the ban, but we don't truly know, because we never gave the card a chance to exist. Modern allowed Fury and Grief to ruin the format for 2+ years, then only got rid of Fury, when a large number of players simply wanted both to go. So yeah, the Pauper committee is just 180 degrees from the Modern B&R. Neither is good.

[@kerolokerokerolo]

no, If they changed paper cards fast is because it won't have an economic impact and the community is small compared to modern one. So the backlash would be much less, if any, when banning cards on pauper. On the other hand, in modern, people has spent lots of money to buy 4 copies of nadu ,the community is bigger and the reaction would be impactful

[@Xoulrath_]

@@kerolokerokerolo economic considerations shouldn't exist when deciding whether or not to ban cards. Power level and play issues should. Therein lies the problem.

[@kerolokerokerolo]

@@Xoulrath_ you are right, but they clearly want to profit from selling packs. banning the best card of the set just a month after its release won't be good for their sells of the product containing such card

[@djkatsuo]

I mean this is one way to revitalize standard. Just make the eternal formats broken 😂

[@joshvon8495]

No bans before the RCQ is ridiculous.

[@supwithunerd]

The community has been losing for the entirety of the MH3 cycle. They break their game, lack some genuine testing/building cards and then get the bag off their players. WotC can shove it rn.

[@ericharrison4067]

I'm sorry for all of you players who have had to deal with somenof these menaces for this long and how you'll have to deal with them for even longer now. Makes me wonder if WotC even plays their own game sometimes

[@Spaz740]

Nope and that's part of the problem lol.

[@wickederebus]

nah man, its chill, I play Yugioh as well, this is nothing to me.

[@PlebCentre]

@@wickederebus TEAR 0 UPON YE.

[@wickederebus]

@PlebCentre I wish Tearlaments were still tier 0. Sadly they are banned and restricted to death

[@BenovskyGM]

Brain and wallet tired of Modern

[@XenoGuru]

Modern is always the one on the chopping block. It's right in the middle of the road. 1. Not enough helpful cards to make it less vulnerable to power creeps, unlike legacy and vintage. 2. New, untested cards coming out all the time to power creep a deck some more. That's why I typically just stay to Vintage and Timeless, and only do best-of-one. The mass majority of decks in those are "rogue" decks. You never know what you'll come across, and that's fun to me at least.

[@TheZajax]

Vein Ripper is the reason why i always have Pick Your Poison in sideboard, right next to Fog

[@DecksmithMTG]

Ban Wild Nacatl 😁

[@XenoGuru]

@DecksmithMTG You have to understand that it's all about money now for them. You have three choices: 1. Stick with them 2. Stop playing altogether 3. Create your own game like theirs, but not too close or else you'll get sued

[@NateBullock-ow6on]

​@@XenoGuruor Stop whining and play the game

[@XenoGuru]

@NateBullock-ow6on Yeah, that too.

[@jasonkorf7700]

I'm absolutely not surprised they're aren't taking any action until August 26. With their last B&R announcement coming before Modern Horizons 3 pro tour and Standard rotation. It shows that Wizards currently don't want to police their formats and are hoping that things will just fix themselves with power creep of the new sets. They could have dealt with Grief in Legacy last B&R announcement, but chose not to. Standard is fine but their timing for the ban window for Standard being right before rotation is a joke They know the Amelia Combo in Pioneer is drawing out games and messing up tournaments, but chose not to do something about because the RCQ season is Pioneer, which fair, but now Rakdos Vampires is also easily over 20% of meta in Pioneer according to some data tracking & even up to over 30% according to mtgtop 8. So there's issues in Pioneer and the excuses they used for not touching Pioneer could be applied to Modern next month. So good luck to everyone trying to do RCQs next month.

[@voluntarism335]

They didn't ban grief because it's a $$$ card.

[@carlossantiago2659]

Here eating popcorn as a commander and limited player.

[@StaleBranflakes]

As a standard player I too watch the spectacle unfold haha

[@jmrks03]

@@carlossantiago2659 same honestly waiting for some bans so prices go down and I can try out grief scam lol

[@yoyoguy1st]

@@StaleBranflakesstandard is really the only format I wanna play anymore

[@freddiesimmons1394]

Me cube, me make my own bans

[@thesaurusakasickakatheomc7688]

As a fellow commander player, I'm confused by this take. I'm seeing MH3 cards all over commander tables. You really think MH3's impact on EDH has been negligible? I upgraded damn near every EDH deck I own after MH3 was released. Just to keep up with the Jones's.

[@Erik_Sjostrom]

This channel should be renamed to: Ban Grief.

[@wolfgangfraueneder34]

Would for sure get more followers

[@Zakharon]

Let me say, as a person who watches a good bit of Yugioh content, the thing that seems to frustrate the community is it just being up in the air when a banlist will drop, nothing sucks more than needing to change or buy cards last minuet, if the date is always the same it reduced that problem

[@scottmacwatters]

I agree with wizards sticking to their date and simultaneously can’t wait until that date. As a kid I would have loved to move Christmas up by 3 weeks, but it’s on a date and we can wait. If Magic was a purely digital game I think having emergency bans along with material refunds would be perfectly fine, but WotC has no control over the secondary market. They can’t refund the player who bought their shukos from TCG player when they ban it. So keep the formats stable and make it so NEXT nadu people can buy the deck early on and be confident they will have it for 3 months. It’s going to be fun to look back at the summer of nadu and that little 1|2 divider in like 2 years.

[@scott898586]

At least you guys get regular dates and communication with you B&R announcements. Konami just screws yugioh players whenever it conveniences them. They took away the no sooner/later dates and have only even discussed a list once in the last 10+ years.

[@Swordyoshi]

@@scott898586 I agree with you on Konami comment. Seen enough time when they both did a announcement earlier than said date, and later than said date too. Hit both ways from Konami.

[@geek593]

Yugioh has gone through Nadugeddon like four times in the past two years. The game is cooked.

[@bookwyrm1885]

I believe the only way to get around vein ripper's ward is to counter the ability(not easy in pioneer) or use an uncounterable removal spell.

[@barbedwire9975]

Pick your poison is the most efficient answer in the format. Other decks are playing stuff like blot out. Basically it’s edict effects. This obviously isn’t perfect because edicts generally aren’t super great as generic removal spells and are more often best as sideboard pieces.

[@bookwyrm1885]

@@barbedwire9975 oh my god I forgot about edicts. Thanks for the catch!

[@freddiesimmons1394]

And wraths, obviously

[@barbedwire9975]

@@freddiesimmons1394 good point

[@MarioJPC]

If they stop following their policy, then everyone (included most of the people asking for breaking their rule) would say that they aren't trustfull and obscures about their reasons. And about Aamalia Benavides Aguirre (it is pronounced aGEErre), sometimes you die before with OG Vito or something like that.

[@konnichi1wa]

We already don't trust them, so that changes nothing

[@dinonicle97]

Mr. Millguy, Speaking of Pioneer, would you be interested in seeing a Pioneer Mill list? Has been going for over a year now and I'm confident I got it in a good place rn.

[@PhilosopherKing1592]

Reanimate Grief forces you to lose 2 cards. Mill makes me lose my whole deck. Logically, any arguement that supports a Grief ban by pointing to its discard effect should also support banning mill cards. They are both bad play patterns, but mill lacks the popularity to put it on people's whine radar. Also, all a Nadu, Grief, One Ring ban would do is get rid of the only decks that check Boros/Mardu Energy. A ban would make the format even less healthy by making Energy the best deck.

[@bahamuhtgames4031]

I feel like its a good stance to have, but at the same time i feel like an early ban for certain cards is also a necessity at times.

[@camdengonda]

Time to pull out my 60 basic lands to protest (Grief)

[@PressXtoDoubt]

Modern Merfolk is objectively the best Modern deck of all time. Change my mind.

[@kerolokerokerolo]

esper control

[@PressXtoDoubt]

@@kerolokerokerolo nah fam.

[@konnichi1wa]

Hogaak laughs at the puny fish

[@khub5660]

Hogaak? Splinter Twin? OG Gifts Storm?

[@PressXtoDoubt]

@@khub5660 nah fam.

[@Erik_Sjostrom]

I have been playing legacy for the last month at the lgs borrowing some decks. I played against mono black scam Once. Turn 1 grief reanimate and turn two Liliana the last hope. You cannot beat that with anything in the format.

[@eggstraBIZKITZ]

And this is why I can't find hardly any modern events in my city to save my life. Modern is nowhere near as fun and creative as it once was. Sure, you can play a pet deck, but good luck against the sweaty people who play one of the top 3 decks. I don't have the money to purchase a top deck, and certainly don't think any of them look like fun to play anyway. If I want to get wrecked playing decks I think are cool, I think I'll play Yu-Gi-Oh now. That's where I'm at in this time of modern garbage.

[@evolvemtg]

Grief is fine in modern

[@PlebCentre]

6:10 that is correct, and the as the ward is on stack it's very hard to get a creature to sac as a midrange/control list as most get removed on stack and keeping the ward.

[@Willh-d1p]

Greif is a fair and balanced card. It's the cheesy reanimation that should go

[@Eiden_Simply]

Evoke (for free) is a fair and balanced mechanic, said no one ever

[@Willh-d1p]

Alternate costs for spells have existed for a long while. Exiting a card from your hand is a very real cost. If there wasn't 1 cost reanimation (for lack of a better term) then grief wouldn't be seen as the boogeyman. They spend 2 cards to thoughtsieze you.

[@TheLastBrainCell123]

pauper stays winning, time after time

[@sablesalt]

Even it's dubs are common

[@thomass1750]

Been playing boros energy in paper at my LGS having a ton of fun so can't speak about the overall health of the format. The card that really feels bad to deal with is the one ring and its my dream ban. Super boring to play against and feels like every deck can play it at no cost (local meta is tron & URx control/tempo).

[@khub5660]

So you want the only card that counters your strategy banned. As if Tron and control needed to be nerfed even more

[@thomass1750]

Tron & Jeskai control are both top meta decks. Not sure what planet you live on, but objectively One Ring is a top 5 card in modern and has been since it was released. Not saying Boros Energy is a bad deck, but you reducing this statement to just "mad cuz bad" is not productive at all. Modern is the best format at rewarding resource management. Having a colorless card that slots into any strat and grants inifinite resources is not a healthy card.

[@khub5660]

@thomass1750 Tron currently sits at 3.4% of the meta. Boros Energy is at 8.6%. That's a 5.2% difference, which is huge. The truth of the matter is that Tron is trash against much of the format. Losing The One Ring makes it unplayable. Jeskai Control before MH3 was in the same boat and would be in the same boat as Tron without The One Ring. Now that they have more efficient answers and a decent threat, it's climbed back up the charts. We can even include both variations of Tron, but in order to be fair, we'd have to include Mardu Energy since it's the same shell but with generically good black cards outside of Ob Nixilis. Both variations of Tron make up 6.2% of the meta while both Energy variants make up a whopping 13%. Does this satisfy your requirements? Because looking at the numbers, it seems to be that Energy outshines and outperforms both control and Tron

[@thomass1750]

One Ring is currently the most played card in modern. At the PT it was 100 copies over the #2 most played card. If you're going to say that RWx Energy is 13% of the meta, then the One Ring is currently in 41% of decks. It's not just Tron & Jeskai (Jeskai is currently 10.9% of the meta, the #2 deck, so nice cherrypick), it's also mono-black & through the breach. Nadu is even playing One Ring. At this point, it's a format diversity issue.

[@hegonmiyazakilimpias3424]

Been playing Boros Energy too and have had a lot of fun lately. Luckily, there isn't a lot of Nadu at my LGS. I've been running blood moons main and disruptor flutes SB against Tron and Control decks.

[@entertainmentinc9735]

I think it’s fine only waiting one more month until the ban announcement. He had good reasoning and it will allow them to test other cards to ban beside Nadu

[@noneofyourbusiness3288]

Grief was a mistake. It should really exile itself when it dies to its evoke trigger. Sure might still be broken with Ephemerate, but at least you have to go into Orzhov then and also you have to have it the turn 1, instead of reanimate or animate dead, which is just fine on a later turn as well. A 2-for-1 yourself but disrupt combo/protect combo is fine (that is basically unmask). Being able to play that for 4 mana as a 2-for-1 creature top-end is also fine. Reanimating it turn 1 and completely destroying your opponents hand is not.

[@L0to]

It's not a mardu vampire deck. There are no white cards or white mana sources in the deck. I have no idea why people keep calling it that.

[@crashka5860]

I love the current explorer meta, mono-black discard and monoblack sorin vein ripper. Both with thoughtseize

[@Netro1992]

At this stage I think they are just trying to kill competitive so they can focus on making more money on the casuals rather than having to deal with their old audiences.

[@Aaron-l3l6g]

Why do you think they have been designing Commander sets thinly disguised as Standard sets. They're doing it intentionally. Make the Commander players chase after these busted cards that are strictly better than whatever they were playing prior and completely ruining the constructed formats in the process, because they can't keep up with the insane power vacuum of cards being designed for Commander but being shoved where they don't belong.

[@Aaron-l3l6g]

It's an intentional and systematic destruction of the game just so they can cater to the casual crowd.

[@XenoGuru]

​@user-rw5zw9wi2q Not necessarily. There is one thing you haven't considered. Casual players allow counterfeit cards to be played in their formats. There is a HUGE market on counterfeit cards. Why spend 50+ dollars on a card when you can get a believable counterfeit that looks identical to the real thing in a sleeve for 2 to 4 bucks? It was never the casuals that they were targeting. They're going after the die-hard competitive players. That's why they're taking longer and longer to ban things. To keep the competitive players so frustrated from getting beat by the overpowered decks that they feel forced to play those decks to have a chance at winning. There's 800+ bucks right there in their pocket. 🤷‍♂️

[@Frostweaver42]

I almost was gonna come back for storm in modern, then I saw Nadu and grief and decided i think I'm gonna stick to playing vintage cube and pauper

[@DazsHaaggen]

i think its good to stick to dates. but grief was a problem in legacy last anouncement and not taking actions then was a mistake

[@randomaether]

The message this sends me is, there will be more nadus, and they are okay with it because the health of a format and the money they extract from it do not correlate.

[@blueredlover1060]

Cards that can't be countered so get through Vein Ripper's Ward. The only card that can't be countered that's relevant is likely Void Tend, which is 3 colors, unfortunately.

[@jasonwilliams1361]

Tears of Valakut is actually a super popular sideboard card in pioneer for this very reason

[@dexter_johnson]

The ban order for me is Nadu, The One Ring, then Grief.

[@hudaphux]

While getting an announcement a few weeks ago would have been preferable, with scgcon Baltimore this weekend I am better prepared for the current meta for legacy and modern with a sprinkle of the new set opposed to figuring out a new meta on the fly.

[@TheImmortalSoul]

as long they don't touch commander format, I'm good

[@bencheevers6693]

Translation, we're waiting to sell more MH3 product and I don't really understand that but it's the only motivation to not fix this emergency. I don't know people who just buy packs to build a deck but they do have to exist and it really is the only lever WotC can control. The other thing is that other parts of the set are broken, probably not bannable but could be and we haven't seen the metagame evolve since Nadu but maybe they're going to ban multiple things, especially valuable cards and that might turn people off the set.

[@PapiGordo5360]

I'm cool with them sticking to the BR schedule as as mean to not piss people off by suddenly banning a card that they bought. But this relationship the players have with WotC only works if they don't print cards like Nadu. If you are not willing to print cards in good faith, I will not play the game anymore.

[@Y00bi]

If Amalia or Wildgrowth Walker doesn't get banned in August, I will quite Pioneer, honestly.

[@Hapkins-le6xf]

I wonder how much analysis paralysis is an issue for wotc here. Using pioneer and amalia as an example, there are 2 upcoming red cards that could be very powerful against that deck (all lifegain) and it has me thinking "wait and see". Wotc knows what is coming out, may be thinking a given card could solve an issue, then that doesn't work out.

[@light-chemistry]

But but all the people playing unplayable Death and Taxes builds kept telling me that Fury was the problem in the Scam deck and if you just banned Fury X/1s would make a glorious comeback to a meta game where bow masters exists

[@freddiesimmons1394]

15:40 No, theyd "only" lose the first griefed card and the solitude+pitch. You dont get double griefed if you respond to the undying evil

[@graylord69]

Grief is terrible in Legacy because Legacy has way too many good reanimation spells, faster mana, and less removal (especially exile-based removal) going around. In Modern, it's not nearly as much of a problem. Getting turn 1 scammed puts you well behind, sure, but one topdecked removal spell or better threat is often enough to put you back in the game. I get it, getting scammed sucks, it's not fun, and we had to deal with Rakdos Scam as a tier 1 deck for way too long, but in the current metagame it isn't NEARLY enough of a problem to warrant a ban. The metagame share of Scam decks is small, they haven't been showing up in too many big event top 8s, the win % of monoblack decks isn't that high... really, the only reason left to call for a Grief ban is "I hate it", and even the hate levels are much lower now than back in the Fury days - people are mostly okay with Grief now that it's not as prevalent. Grief will not be banned, and it shouldn't be.

[@dougiedoug7543]

Imagine if grief and flare of malice were flipped 🧐 would grief be fine? Would flare be playable?

[@freddiesimmons1394]

Flipped? Oh like the thoughtseize was on the sorcery

[@khub5660]

If Grief's effect were on Flare, then you would just run Thoughtseize. If Flare's effect were on Grief then it probably would've caught a ban before Fury did

[@freddiesimmons1394]

@@khub5660 you think a good edict is more egregious than 4 divideable burn?

[@khub5660]

@freddiesimmons1394 the two of them together would've given Rakdos Scam a full removal suite. Fury is good against weenies, and after those are cleared, Grief would absolutely pillage everything else. It's disgusting to even think about Evoke Fury into Undying Evil just to follow up with a potential double edict the next turn. Thinking about it now, they probably would've gotten the axe at the same time

[@freddiesimmons1394]

@@khub5660 i dont think people would be evoking edicts in the lategame

[@Rancidtunip]

@thatmillguy what would you think if they errata evoke to instead exile the card instead of saccing. You could still scam with ephemerate type effects but it would be far less reliable without return from gy effects like not dead.

[@AntónioReis-t8v]

My guy why are you still talking about Grief in modern xD There is no data to justify that, its just your personal hate for the card. Jesus i have never seen anyone this unjustifiably biased. As i just heard in the video, your argument (in modern) is entirely based about the power of the "grief opening". While i do agree that the opening is super strong, it doesnt happen often at all. Also, it does not guarantee at all that you will win the game. Is it annoying? Yes, for sure, but can we talk about "annoying" things that happen in modern with higher likelihood? What about Titan winning at turn 3; Boros energy having 10 creatures early; Nadu; Mill milling the cards that you need and getting them extracted; counterspells; etc. Can you please look at the bigger picture and factual data? Grief isnt a problem, be rational. Stop pushing this delusional narrative just for the sake of your own distaste.

[@benlayne7596]

Ahhhh, reminds me of when Urza block was released, just crazier. Screw it, reprint Tolarian Academy into modern.

[@Minervastouch]

I think deeply enfranchised magic players don't understand that they are the minority of magic consumers. The average casual player doesn't watch magic related youtube content on a regular basis, they don't look up magic news, or debate on reddit what cards need to be banned and why. They just play the game as a hobby once a week or whenever they get time. They are the majority of players who spend the majority of money on the game so it makes sense not to blind side half your audience with a ban they never heard about when they go try playing their deck and get told oh yeah grief, nadu whatever is banned. There are a lot of players out there who enjoy the game enough and will buy the best deck and play it casually to perform at their FNM or on arena etc. Certainly there are financial incentives to not Ban cards but bans always happen the same time of year so that everyone can expect them but there still will be players caught off guard in a month or two when these cards are banned. They are trying to minimize friction.

[@camdenallen4844]

Now you can get double griefed and flare of maliced on turn 1, gotta love it 😅

[@christopherpho9424]

I remember I joined my first modern event, mulled to 5 and got scammed. If grief said that your opponent draws a card if it wasn’t cast would make it balanced. But modern horizons…

[@khub5660]

Evoke is an alternate casting cost, but I get what you mean

[@wickederebus]

If you think Double Grief is bad, try triple or Quadruple.

[@freddiesimmons1394]

Being a cube artist means I make my own damn banlist

[@BraydenCobb-lg3nc]

I mean, I think grief is fine, there are no numbers to back up a ban, double griefing in modern has not been good since rakdos scam. You can’t discard topdecks so often they topdeck the removal spell and now your hellbent. It sees play in maybe one deck in modern and only because of incredible synergy with multiple packages in that deck. Its winrate and playrate are no where near bannable. However, you clearly are passionate about your opinions, which you are allowed to have, so ig just agree to disagree. Ultimately wizards seems to create controversy with every decision because honestly whatever they do, they won’t be able to please everyone, so I have come to accept that sometimes I get the short end of the stick

[@randomguy1983]

Nadu will be worse with Iridescent Vinelasher. No attack needed.

[@elbe0072]

I can't be the only one who had this sense of mistrust when listening to that announcer.

[@thatoneguyzayo]

The lack of bans makes me glad I don’t play modern or pioneer anymore

[@Sorran87]

Guess we're not playing those formats then

[@SwordJig]

Grief, Ring, Nadu bans = modern saved

[@Ragmesesis]

Grief needs ban

[@801Hellfire]

“It creates a bad precedent” lol omfg dude it’s magic cards, not the Supreme Court. You guys are taking this way too seriously, it’s a card game, they should ban the bird and do the right thing and ppl should stop pretending wizards is some institutional pillar of society where “precedent!” and schedules are something that matters anywhere as much as some people pretend it does. We’re nerds playing a card game, not campaign strategists. Stop validating how seriously wizards takes themselves. “Precedent!” 🤣

[@paniago82]

do you know what, i don´t need some one calling me loser for having a diferent opinion on something.

[@CainMadness]

Grief needs to be banned. I play "8" Rack, and think it is too OP.

[@ToadboyMTG]

Modern might not survive wizards of the coast

[@karlahmed5573]

Grief should have been banned instead of Fury. Now it's too late. I don't care about either now.

[@michaeldelius3768]

The other day I got t1 double griefed, then t2 thoughtseized twice… needless to say I lost the match and wanted to flip the table. Ban grief. It should have been banned a long time ago.

[@bwahchannel9746]

Agreed, griefing should be banned

[@tricksonafixed]

I am simply not playing Modern despite the fact I sort of want to be playing that format. I am tired of the new normal rotation that happens with this eternal format and I am tired of the stupid gimmicky shit they do when wanting to push a certain card, ability, etc. Energy is fucking lame and now it has taken over the Modern meta-game. Some of the cards are interesting but the play patterns are eye rolling on top of the already eye rolling nonsense we see with TOR. Again I want to play this format but when it looks like the way it does at the moment why allocate time and money into something that more than likely will frustrate me more than providing me enjoyment.

[@ZackeroniAndCheese]

I've been playing Pre-Innistrad Legacy with some folks on discord. Way more fun before wotc turned this game to garbage

[@Casual_BackPacking]

I don't understand why everyone's Griefing over grief 😂

[@robomelon314]

Just unban everything. Eye of Ugin, Hogaak, all of it. (I don't play modern so this is just meme-ing)

[@umtangamandapiano9729]

i think stores should make their own banlists and take control of this game because this company is a joke.

[@nevsterk2463]

“Death of legacy” 😂😂😂 1 month means legacy is completely done forever. Come on bro.

[@SaltySparrow]

Blake is so cringe to me. Outside players interested in the RCQs, I feel like most Modern players are playing their pet decks at stores until the B&R. Pioneer is boring.

[@ajcarl6637]

This guy complains way too much about Grief compared to Nadu and One Ring, Grief + reanimate is 3 cards burned to take 2

[@geoffreybomber]

Is there really anyone asking for a Nadu extension if it’s going to be banned anyways? Is there really anyone arguing that Nadu shouldn’t be banned?

[@khub5660]

Nadu is honestly the sum of the plethora of mistakes that WoTC has made. It reminds me a lot of KCI, and how instead of banning the enabler of Scrap Trawler, they banned Mox Opal and KCI itself so that they didn't have to admit that they suck at designing cards. Urza's Saga is just a free tutor. For most decks, if you aren't playing Saga, then you're objectively wrong. Springheart Nantuko gives the Nadu engine some level of inevitability. When you look at how the deck operates, a Nadu list without Springheart and Urza's Saga would look way different in both builds and viability in the meta. 1) They'd be forced to dedicate 4-8 nonland cards to find Shuko, which is a major restriction. 2) Even with Scute Swarm instead of Nantuko, they're more likely to whiff. On top of that, the difference between 2 and 3 mana for a combo piece is astounding.

[@JackWyman]

Hot take: Between edicts, counterspells, pick your poison and the five(ish) 1 drop red instants that can kill Nadu, what is the problem making a side board for meta or stopping your counter plays? I can't think of mono white being able to deal with it at instant speed (could anyone let me know if they can, and how to? TIA). I'd rather let Nadu players go +2 then go infinite, as they might not recover. Seems like an easy choice tbh. I don't run Nadu and I think it's fine. IMO, The One Ring players are just upset that there is a turn 3 combo in a turn 4 format, and they're not running interaction or side board for it. Nadu is the proof that WoTC needs a playtesting crew tbh. All the best with it.

[@masterofthepearltrident]

chaining rings should never be allowed in modern

[@TheSaladOne]

For the love of god, BAN THE GRIEF

[@Aaron-l3l6g]

I don't know why y'all are so up in arms. Commander is all they care about anyway.

[@gramndk7298]

dude u should def upload these to shorts

[@daylearmstrong4447]

So, I just wanna comment on a few things: 1. I don't think grief is a poorly designed card. Before people discovered scam, grief was considered one of the worst, at best "okay". The scam package makes grief playable and this was an unforseen consequence 2. Grief scam feels worse to olay against than it is. The power of grief scam, in modern, is in the "pretty good" category of things. In terms of card advantage you remain on parity with your opponent and the deck building restriction of putting 4-8 scam cards in the deck for only 4 cards in your deck is a real cost. The mono black necro lists have trimmed it to a sometimes treat, basically. Though march and soul spike do help drawing into your scam cards feel less bad. If grief should be banned it's not a power level issue, but an issue with being miserable to play against. Grief scam is fine power level-wise for modern 3. Reanimating grief is way too good though and legacy should ban grief for sure Nadu is significantly more miserable to play against imo though. Discard is kind of a necessary evil, but Nadu is pillaging the country side. Most miserable thing to play, to play against or to watch. At least grief adds tension qnd suspense to watching a game, and it feels cool to play. No one likes playing Nadu

[@Zerschnitzler77]

there are other cardgames that do it better. at one point, the bubble is gonna burst

[@AbstractMarcher]

GRIEF NAH DUDE TOR Grief should have been banned with Fury.

[@nicomillhouse]

okotober part 2 it is

[@tftd6471]

They want people to play standard...

[@colinsickels8013]

Eh we know it’s going to get banned so let the people who bought the decks have fun for another month

[@L8RSTORM]

If you hate grief that much just play counter spell

[@voluntarism335]

Please tell me you're joking

[@retekretekretek]

I think all the evoke elementals should've been banned.

[@MrWaves-oj9ge]

The blue one is mid

[@khub5660]

Solitude is fair, Endurance is a sideboard piece, and the blue one is just dogwater. Fury ate a ban for the sins of Grief, and Grief will probably be up next.

[@MrWaves-oj9ge]

@@khub5660 solitude is not fair I must disagree. Pitch to destroy a creature is good already but exiling a creature goes above and beyond. Indestructible doesn't even matter anymore there are so many cards that exile now

[@khub5660]

@@MrWaves-oj9ge they brought Solitude into the format because of indestructible and recurrable threats. That's the entire point. If you wanna play your titans, don't be upset when they get exiled. Arguing that Solitude isn't necessary to deal with the plethora of recursion in the format is peak copium

[@DaHamma77]

UNBAN TWIN for real!! it´s not broken!

[@Joelthelobo]

Unban twin ban grief

[@jessypalacios9560]

Commander players don't care...😂

[@freddiesimmons1394]

Any person who thinks having cards they want to draw milled is a problem gets 20 seconds to think about it before they lose the title of "person"

[@MrWaves-oj9ge]

Ban grief

[@adamsmith2081]

Grief

[@LumaBopShop]

wizards are clowns

[@rosecooldude1024]

GRIEF

[@konnichi1wa]

GRIEF

[@jrRabet]

Wotc being dumbasses as usual. Everyone saw how crazy nadu is. Why are they not acting? 😔