NO, Church Is NOT For New People... (Let Me Explain)

[@lionoffireraw]

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[@ltilley7343]

Truth! The church is not a building, it's God's people. I left a church where the pastor said when sharing the gospel don't tell people they are a sinner and using Romans Road is "old school" just tell them your story. Well, we can use our testimony, but we need to back it up with scripture, and the whole point of the gospel is to understand that you are a sinner in need of a Savior, and there is One full of grace that stands ready to receive you.

[@atarahchomah1463]

Amein!

[@newbeginning3571]

The church is JESUS.

[@istandinawe6319]

Brother, you are so on point! My teenage daughter told me the other day that she prefers “church” at home. Honestly, when we do lessons at home, it’s a more enjoyable experience of talks leading to other concepts. I honestly don’t know how to feel about that. Definitely going to God about it because it’s scarce in church.

[@truthwatch2858]

Even new Christians need to hear the truth

[@Jeffrey-c2z]

I've been saying this for a while now. The church is not for visitors - new people. The church is for covenanted believers who have deliberately joined togetherr in order to worship and serve the living God.

[@tedroybal5231]

Someone finally says what the bible says about what the church is. Thank you so much. All of the letters in the New Testament were written to the saints, believers who are the church.

[@GGB-yl5rc]

Amen. We aim to please God, not man in the service.

[@jskim.9122]

This was going on in my "church" that I was a member of for several yrs. The "pastor" watered down the sermons to attract new people, but it never fed the long time members. For one thing the "pastor" himself was/isn't qualified to be a pastor. He was a new convert who was quickly selected to be a pastor by the church network founder & never was properly educated and trained. The "pastor" even mentioned the elimination of traditional Christian terms because they were hurdles for new people. This "way of doing church" was carried over into small groups as well. By God's mercy He opened my eyes, realizing I had not grown/matured in the Word because it's the same topics recycled yr after yr. One has to seriously discern what's coming from the pulpit.

[@spamonger3105]

God bless you, my brother in Christ! 🙏🏻✝️🙌🏻

[@ChildofGod98765]

Please pray for me. As a single mom I’ve been struggling to make ends meet for some time. Yet the Lord gives me strength to get through each day. Both of my sons are special needs and require much from me. It’s difficult to raise children alone God has intervened and helped me so much. That’s why I keep faith in our HEAVENLY FATHER. As I struggle GOD HAS been by my side. Lord continue to give me strength as I tirelessly struggle to provide for my children

[@ellisonhamilton3322]

Unfortunately in the minds of millions " church " no longer has any purpose, any relevance in an increasingly global society. Churches are seen as being divisive. Sad, but this is a increasingly prevalent view. It's not a view I share. I believe believe strongly in the importance and many benefits of having vital churches in our neighborhoods.

[@JasonM-st3bl]

Amen! I've been saying this for years and people thought I was crazy. The gathering together of believers is a family reunion, so to speak, and outsiders can't relate to it, they have nothing to contribute. The time with the believers is not an evangelical outreach.

[@FaithLikeAMustardSeed]

Churches are just tax-free businesses 99% of the time. They don't make any money by going out and preaching repentance and faith in Jesus. And if they allowed the Church to have genuine fellowship the charlatans wouldn't be able to fleece them for all they're worth either. So they run it like a theater -- church theater. No one can say anything except the showman on stage.

[@kim09031957]

I'm not sure if I agree with this. Inviting unbelievers to church, they hear the word preached and witness the love of Christ between fellow Christians. The holy spirit is moving in his church. The love Christians have for one another is a witness. I honestly don't think there is a hard and fast rule. God can move in many ways and treats everyone individually.

[@carolinekinney2364]

If I hadn’t heard first about my sin and how much God hated sin and how I needed to give my life to Christ, die to self, carry my own cross, I don’t know if i would have been saved. Everyone baby Christians to mature Christians and especially the unsaved need to hear the whole gospel. So the pastor who told you Sunday service is for unbelievers, he is wrong. I agree with you. It just amazes me how pastors who are responsible for their congregation and what they preach can’t see how wrong it is. 🙏 Amen the whole gospel for everyone! ❤

[@johnsmit5999]

I find it ironic that in a church I attended that had excellent teaching, there is almost a resistance to call people to repent because that disrupts the peace and causes conviction in people's hearts. Why cause people any angst when you can just give them a fascinating teaching.

[@salt_and_light03]

Amen Brother. Thank you for staying true to the Bible’s teachings and Gospel of Jesus Christ 🙏🏽

[@yvonnecrozier4536]

Good word brother.

[@WM_1979]

this is a true but not often discussed topic. thanks. im liking your videos more and more

[@lionoffireraw]

Glad you like them! Matt 🙏

[@godchickwendy]

I totally agree I'm so fed up with a lack of good biblical churches where I live that I've given up trying to find one that isn't seeker sensitive Bless you brother

[@mikem4883]

The condition of the sinner is not one a church can remedy, with any type of manipulation. What you win them with is what you win them to. Great job Matt.

[@sarahkrell187]

Thank you for saying this! I found Jesus and was saved in a very non-seeker sensitive church and didn't need things watered down for the Lord to get my attention. In fact, because the message was so different than "the world", I suspect it got my attention more.

[@seekaloft]

Generally, I agree. Some churches divide up the "equipping of the saints" via "Sunday schools" where before the main service scripture is taught in classes based on the maturity of the believers. Hence the main service is a little more focus on the Gospel message and fellowship.

[@Romans_8.38-39]

I agree. The true, full Gospel needs to be preached to all.❤🙏

[@MaryR7256]

A message at church should be the full gospel no matter what spiritual maturity level you are at! Maybe Sunday school is best for new believers or unbelievers? I was not going to church at the time of my salvation God dealt with me outside of church because my family did not go to church! However, after salvation I did not attend church until about 7 years after salvation and this has hurt my growth in the Lord, unfortunately! To this day i still struggle with my relationship with the Lord ( growing in the Lord, doubt, trusting, surrendering,& , hearing from the Lord)!

[@lionoffireraw]

I’m sorry to hear that. This is the reason why I make videos. A lot of the times, church is actually doing more harm than good to people. I very much believe in the local church, but sadly there are many compromised churches out there. I’ll post a video below for you that I did that I wish every Christian would know before going to church ⬇️ kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6Gqc3SBebmajsUsi=9sQZKV8jt-c3_fX8

[@reeall8521]

I agree we definitely need to rethink our services. I wonder if Sunday or Saturday Church should be for new people and the converted should eat at home and bible study. I'm thinking about the communion table not for getting full but for a different reason.

[@MikeMcKenzie-y4y]

GOD bless you . Where ever two gather to speak about Jesus is church

[@caroldonaldson5936]

Things that make you go, hmm..?🤔: "Most Christians do not have fellowship with God, they have fellowship with each other ABOUT God." Paris Reidhead. Thoughts?

[@lionoffireraw]

Often true, sadly!

[@glennpesti6519]

That is deep

[@caroldonaldson5936]

@@glennpesti6519 I ask because it's an issue that would be the catalyst for my eventual departure from the charismatic church movement, "How much of this is about worshiping God and/or worshiping the worship?" I would often feel spiritually inferior to the all-singing, all-dancing ones who also talked a good game, and while I questioned how deep that went in private, I also questioned my own position before God a lot. I still do, but from a healthier, quieter place that is more open to hearing from God without the need for 'signs & wonders' - which I didn't personally experience anyway - and I'm OK with that!🙂🙏❤️

[@chrisstegink4402]

@@caroldonaldson5936 I asked a charismatic a question," does it seem they seek a healing/sensation from God more than learning/hearing His Word as it was taught then?" I continued to ilustrate by how Jesus healed a bunch of people went up a mountain with the disciples. Thousands more showed up and He says to them lets go to the next town. Leaving all those people. The places that did not receive His Word few miracles were done. Is it more about The Word of God or deliverance they desire more? What does God desire for us? More concerned about personal desires than what God desires. They want to be excited and have the power of God in their lives and not even Biblical about it. Lot of times they see this as evil speech towards them. Sometimes full blown thinking yr the devil himself. Like children thinking their parents are the bad guys. Bible says be not amazed and they go after signs and wonders cause its exciting. Then ones like copland have to blasphem worse and worse for people to get that feeling back. That far and that bad it gets. Pray we encourage others to seek Jesus.

[@chrisstegink4402]

@@lionoffireraw Then it gets distortedly viewed when they say iron sharpens iron when only high-mindedness gets sharpened. Except for the exciting talk about the games after church even from the pulpit. Im suspicious of them doing false allegations of wrong doing publicly. Unfortunately some are legit this past wk. Always thought they got it out for those who make them look bad. The whole time getting people to think there is a moral right and a liberal left. When its the middle then say lets meet in the middle and then there is just far left. Mystery of iniquity.

[@4theFaith]

Wow, that’s really interesting. Earlier this summer, my husband and i attended a church we had only been to a couple of times. They preceded in the parable of the seeds. To us, it seemed like a message for new people. It was so simple and without any meat for those of us who have heard it over and over again. My husband and I said we wished there were churches for new believers, and churches for established believers. However, you have changed my mind!! You’re right. That is NOT the gospel. If a new person, at the end of that message, was invited to be baptized (which they do) they may have done the ritual, but would not be saved or transformed. These people “don’t know what they’re signing up for” of all they’re getting is a watered down message without repentance and redemption. What happens when they later come across a sermon they don’t agree with? Anyhow, great perspective!

[@allenmorgan4309]

This is spiritual maturity and the purpose of the gospel. It is the same realization of truth Paul describes when he says it is no longer I but Christ. John 14:20 NKJV [20] At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.

[@youareloved2869]

Ok I had to pick up my head that popped off after you said what the pastor said! What?? That is why so many Christians are feeding on milk for almost their whole Christian walk! Church is for the body of Christ and if an unbeliever pops in they should be convicted and overjoyed by the message wanting to truly give their lives to Christ. Let’s not get into the fact that “church” is where all the parts work together not one part (pastor)😮 but I will leave it at that. Thanks Matt❤

[@lionoffireraw]

When I started to wake up to this stuff, I felt so alone. No one at the church seemed to get it at all (except all the people that left!!)

[@youareloved2869]

@@lionoffireraw I was the same but I felt relieved.

[@JohnCliffordqa]

read the forbidden book Magnetic Aura on Borlest, and you'll see the secrets they're keeping from us.

[@anduinsuchan356]

Youre exactly right and that's exactly why the church growth/seeker sensitive movement is so wrong.

[@fannyelias3268]

WE COME TOGETHER TO JOIN IN THE UNITY OF THE SPIRIT, BECAUSE WE ARE BAPTIZED INTO THE BODY OF CHRIST, CHRIST IS THE SPIRIT... SHALOM

[@Belliferous]

100%. Early on church chased me away. It was solid biblical proof text that nudged me along. Going to church before true conversion would’ve been a waste of time and possibly detrimental

[@Jakob-qk2qn]

How did your conversion come about?

[@Belliferous]

@@Jakob-qk2qn Noone comes to the father unless he draws us in, first and foremost. Second it was biblical prophecies that have come true. The specifics of the desolation of Babylon and Egypt are completely accurate to this very day. There’s plenty of others too but the easily verifiable grabbed my interest.

[@Jakob-qk2qn]

@@Belliferous did you meet him?

[@lionoffireraw]

In John 6:44, the ones that the Father raises up are the ones who come to him in response to his drawing. The verse does not say that the Father raises up all that he draws. Nor does the verse say that he only draws some. Think of this example ⬇️ I invite (draw) everyone to my birthday party. Those who respond “yes” to the invitation (come to me), I welcome into the party (I raise up).

[@Belliferous]

@@lionoffireraw my brother in Christ, Romans 9:15-16 “For he says to Moses, ‘I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.’ It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.” Romans 9:18 “Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.” Matthew 22:14 “For many are invited, but few are chosen.” Romans 11:7-8 What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, as it is written: ‘God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that could not see and ears that could not hear, to this very day.’” 1 Peter 2:8 They stumble because they disobey the message-which is also what they were destined for.” John 6:44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

[@rosemarywood5044]

Spot on!

[@livingforhim1462]

Amen, love this.

[@cordel_ringani]

💯 I totally agree with you, Brother Matt. I wish more churches, including the church I attend, practiced this. How can we help or encourage our churches to improve in that area? Especially in a large church where one can feel like a drop in the ocean 😅

[@lionoffireraw]

All that you can really do is speak to people that are in a position to make a difference. Unfortunately, many times the truth is not received well in a lot of churches. The other alternative is to consider finding a different church. God bless you, Matt

[@chrisstegink4402]

These visitors do end up with a forgiveness experience sometimes but then others outside of it all try and share the truth or the rest of it in spite of what theyve been convinced of. Bad stuff going on all over and seeing its what its going to take to break them while they think yr the cause of their grief. God is moving to save them. With what u said they got to get into the Word for themselves and tune into it whenever preached. Fear of The Lord and growing in His love. Then theres good chance theyll get away from these places. This would mean repentance from the start. God bless Matt.

[@gatorsaw3315]

Thank you buddy. I had questions on this topic Sitting in boatyard on break. Listened closely.

[@lionoffireraw]

Glad it helped!

[@atarahchomah1463]

Amein. As messianic rabbi Greg Hershberg says, “The church is not a salvation station”. Acts 15 , the Jerusalem council, says that the new Gentile believers would learn Moses (Law) in the synagogue on Shabbat. Thanks Matt. We need more Truth! Keep it coming! ❤🙏🏼

[@denisegrant8788]

God bless you Matt, thank you for this wonderful explanation. 🙏

[@lionoffireraw]

I’m glad it blessed you 🙏

[@sheilabest3652]

I agree with you the gospel is for all.

[@ChristopherDolby]

Nice one! Much love from the UK ❤

[@lionoffireraw]

God bless you, brother 🙏

[@Blue-2-7]

I had a local looking for a church because she wanted her children to learn morals, but they didn't believe. The church is believers. Everyone just thinks it's the building.

[@JackLila999]

awesome!!

[@顧淑慧]

full support

[@frozenfox601]

I completely agree on all points, especially the purpose of the Sunday gathering as described in the Bible. Thank you for making this video.

[@gregmindrum5332]

The churches I have experienced only taught the "promises". After reading I was kicked out of 3 churches after realizing most promises contain "if-then" statements but it has been very difficult getting away from knowing God as a talisman.

[@helenhelen7822]

I agree brother.

[@williamacuff7707]

I agree, maybe the very reason for the falling away, unsaved false believers in a church; Jesus wisdom! We that preach are commanded to preach the word! Or edify the word with the full gospel.

[@bethbaumann9669]

The corporate church gathering is for the saints (believers). That’s its purpose in scripture and what its purpose will always be. Amen.

[@chrismachin2166]

Christianity and Liberalism by J Gresham Machen .

[@lionoffireraw]

I’ll have to look it up!!

[@chrismachin2166]

@@lionoffireraw Look at the reviews.

[@lionoffireraw]

Wow! A 1923 books, in response to another 1922 book! Fascinating. I’ll look it up.

[@crystalthompson507]

Church should be geared to help Christians grow. I know I definitely appreciate a challenging meaty message and get bored with milk sermons. God promises that His Word will not return void, so if someone in the service during a meaty message is convicted about their soul, they can respond to the invitation at the end of the service and ask questions. Leadership shouldn't starve the sheep

[@GodLovesUs.LoveOurGod]

I didn’t understand the full Gospel,until God brought me and my Boyfriend to our new Church, where I finally heard the full true Gospel. Our old Church didn’t tell the full message, just the Free gift part.

[@user-kc7pf7xj5j]

Confused about your statement that church is not for new people. Got stuck there. That is my explanation.

[@lionoffireraw]

I explained that in the video 🙏

[@punterjac8695]

Another issue is visitors to the Church taking part in the Lord's Table/Communion without recognizing the seriousness (i.e. inviting divine discipline, sickness or ultimately, death) of taking part in these sacred elements (1 Corinthians 11:27-30). I fellowship at a church in NZ where the teaching is mostly good (as sometimes we have women preach) but the leadership does not mention anything about the importance of taking part in the Lord's Table worthily. I believe the leadership is partly responsible for judgment that falls upon those who take part in these sacred elements improperly.

[@lionoffireraw]

That’s a good point. It should be made clear that unbelievers are not to partake in the communion. It’s a shame there are women preachers sometimes. I cannot believe how churches cannot grasp such a basic and clear prohibition!

[@formicapple2]

Thanks for posting this message. Imho, every church service must contain the gospel of Jesus Christ: everyone is separated from God because of our sin, Jesus took on all our sin for us, Jesus actually became sin and therefore paid the price. The price being sent to hell and He conquered death and rose again after three days. He ascended into heaven and now sits at the right hand of the Father in heaven. He will return to judge everyone, the believers will enter into heaven the unbelievers He sends to hell. Every sermon must contain that message in some form or another. Remember, God’s people die through lack of knowledge.

[@lionoffireraw]

Yes. I agree that the gospel should be preached clearly in every message!!

[@richardventus1875]

You are absolutely correct in everything you say - God Bless You I too have a personal relationship with the Divine through Jesus. I try to be an empty vessel for Him to fill me with the Holy Spirit so I can accomplish whatever He wants me to do. I therefore have no personal ambition except to do whatever I feel He is compelling me to do. I am under continual attack and temptation from Satan, but my general strategy to avoid the evil one is to only do things which require me to make more effort or to suffer in some way, but without expectation of any human recognition or reward. The last words Jesus spoke were 'it is done' and the curtain to the forbidden inner sanctum of the temple was ripped in half meaning that anybody can have direct access to God and Him without any need for anybody to get in your way. The only thing that true believers need to serve their God is to adhere to Jesus teaching as given in Matthew 22:37-40. There should therefore be no such thing as a retired clergyman or bishop.

[@TheGospel-x6i]

I've seen sinners come in and give their heart to the Lord and get saved

[@lionoffireraw]

Praise God

[@bernardkeal5834]

1Corinthians 15:1-4

[@karintraut8151]

Excellent video. God bless

[@asuprpixie1713]

Agreed!

[@geraldarcuri9307]

In the early church people who were learning about the faith were called catechumens. Before they could be baptized, and enter fully into fellowship, they needed to complete their "basic training". And, while we're at it, I am bothered by the fact that so many churches distribute the gospel of John to unbelievers and new believers. That's like giving a book on thermodynamics to a first-grader. John, along with Romans, is the apogee of New Testament theology. Better to give them the gospel of Mark or Luke, which are more direct and comprehensible as introductions to the faith in Jesus.

[@REB65]

👍👍 God bless y’all 🙏✌️

[@lawrencehorner8418]

Just out of curiosity, was the church with the seeker friendly messages also the one where they said you were not allowed to study the Bible with friends outside of church?

[@lionoffireraw]

Yes.

[@lawrencehorner8418]

@@lionoffireraw Both very odd and unbiblical. Sorry you were gaslighted like that.

[@kenwebster5053]

Interesting. I am going to take my comment in a different direction though, I hope you don't mind. I became a believer completely outside of the church. As a very young child, I had been exposed to church Sunday school etc, but the family stopped going to church for some years. I grew up during the Vietnam war era & in that time, there were protest against conscription etc. Killing people is wrong & I wanted nothing to do with that. In that time, there were protests against the countries involvement in the war. I recall one incident in which a local priest got defrocked for attending a protest rally. I thought that extremely poor that he was defrocked for standing up for the teachings of Jesus. Anyway, I got to thinking about the consequences of unbelief & of faith & decided that I needed to find out if this Jesus was real or not. So I started reading the Gospels because I knew that is where I'd find out about him. I also prayed "If you are real, please reveal yourself to me, that I may believe more." I don't know how to explain it, but he did just that in a relational way, answering my questions about life, salvation, faith & answering my prayers. It was many years before I ever went to church though. I find the church sadly divided & largely missing the point about a personal faith relationship. The whole political orientation thing in churches is just completely wrong. It is an evil idolatry. We cannot serve 2 masters, we cannot serve both a political alliance & God. Just stop it, please just stop this insanity. Politics is of the world & the world is evil. It is the very 1st commandment to worship God & Him alone. Throughout my lifetime, the church has only got worse in this regard, with ever failing attendance. As far as I can see, it deserves to die unless it turns back to God & Him alone.

[@davidhilder6826]

I have similar conversations with Pastors and the answer was, very disappointing "they are not ready for the hard parts. They need to be built up in love but not told that the world may reject you because of your faith in Christ. I would say they do not understand Rom 12:1-2

[@lionoffireraw]

Very sad indeed!

[@richardholappajr.6184]

Great message, very true! Thank you!

[@jd1029]

Ok, so here are my issues with "church". It has become teachings of what I still need to change, a never ending hurdle if you will. It consumes an inordinate amount of time, including the small groups (listening to everyones health problems it seems or complaints), the volunteering to do mindless stuff that is low impact, and the money. I feel worn out and further from God, than if I worship and study on my own.

[@clairephillips5070]

Not finding much meat in the churches. Why keep preaching milk when there's starving Christians needing discipleship. How are Christians going to grow in the churches. Where's the prayers for healing and deliverance too? And that's basic commission. Preach, heal and drive out demons. Yet it's not being done.

[@sumbomarcus]

❤❤❤❤❤ you are sound matt I give you that.. very sound it's in the gospel power to transform lives are found. The teachings from the old testament backs up the gospel.🎉 See Paul when he preached to the Jews, the bereans and the people at Greece, the unknown God inscription, all is centered around the gospel. With exception of the Greeks who he started from creation and brought in the gospel. Because they didn't have an understanding of the God who brought salvation (the gospel).

[@tahitihawaiiblue]

I do understand what you’re saying here but at the other hand I have some experiences where preachers went into the opposite direction. In my former church I had a preacher whose sermons revolved a lot around trashing the congregation. For example he kept being mad at us who were present there listening expectantly to his message but he kept telling us smthg like this:” you’re all here in the pews thinking about I would rather be shopping right now or I would rather watch a football game or I want to go home for my Sunday dinner!” Like I’m here waiting for a meaningful message and this is what I get? #2 at the same former church I invited a family member to come and preacher was constantly going on about death and dying. Later on I invited the same person again and guess what? He was again going on and on about death and dying. #3 at my current church (I haven’t been to in months but that’s another story) a guest preacher spent the whole time stomping on the congregation how we’re all selfish and heartless never helping people in need without knowing us since he was a guest preacher. In today’s world there are so many discouraged, lonely, depressed and otherwise oppressed people living without daily joy that the church certainly needs better attunement to the ppls needs and a balance when preaching the message

[@lionoffireraw]

That’s why we are called to preach the gospel in love! We should preach about all attributes of God, as the Bible does; His love, mercy, comfort, judgement, fear of the Lord etc All of it should he related back to the cross!

[@felixcano896]

We are in Revelations the Laodiceans and apostasy age.

[@Mel-sv1ux]

Matt - Where will people hear about the gospel if not in a church; and what about I Cor 5-6 . . . Paul planted, Apollo watered, but GOD MADE IT GROW!!! Also, Phil 1:18: . . . whether from false motives or true, Christ us preached. The purpose is to make the gospel known then GOD can make it grow -- through Life Groups, Growth Classes, serve days, etc. I must disagree with your assessment.

[@kim09031957]

I agree with you. There is no perfect church. However there should be sound doctrine preached. It's the love of Christ that converted my husband a year ago and he's 67. He understands fully that Jesus died for his sins at a great cost. Unbelievers in church see believers who show love for one another. The holy spirit is moving in his church. God is there and he moves mightly

[@user-kc7pf7xj5j]

Of course church is for old and new believers. That includes people who are hearing the Gospel for the first time. Church is where the Gospel is preached. The Gospel is simple and essential to all believers and non believers alike. I don't understand your statement that church is not for new people?

[@lionoffireraw]

I actually explained this in the video.

[@patriciat1514]

​@lionoffireraw I have been thinking the same thing myself recently. The church service is for believers but welcome to all.

[@martinmartin6300]

That's right. You cannot address believers and unbelievers in the same way. If you want to address unbelievers, you are not encouraging the believers. It is already difficult enough to address all believers since everybody is in a different place in his journey.

[@margaretcraggs6713]

So where do new people go??

[@lionoffireraw]

To church! But the point is that it’s not designed specifically for them! They grow as they listen to the teachings!

[@margaretcraggs6713]

You seem to give the impression it’s not for them at all

[@lionoffireraw]

I actually said in the video (I think twice) that they are welcome. Of course if they then respond to the gospel and believe, they become believers, and the church is for them to grow in!

[@margaretcraggs6713]

Ok sorry

[@dianefarrell2343]

You've got TROLLS suggesting that we read Forbidden books on Auras 😂 Don't Read it!!

[@pamelah6431]

Odd choice of terminology. "New people" usually means visitors, not unsaved people.

[@lionoffireraw]

Yes, I thought the same. Not what he meant though. It’s a bit confusing!

[@kim09031957]

Sorry dont agree with you Matt. Not every church gives a watered down view of the gospel. There is nothing wrong with inviting unbelievers to church. The body of Christ is there. My husband became a christian a year ago and hes 67. He fully understands jesus died for his sins. He had a hard heart and cant believe what has happened to him. Family members pray for unsaved family and that could have been years of prayer and coming to church was enough to experience the saving grace of Jesus. There is no hard and fast rule otherwise we are the judge of how people will be saved

[@velkyn1]

ROFL. it's great how these cultists can't agree how to treat new members. C.S. Lewis said to lie to potential converts since finding out about how splintered and contradictory christanity is would put them off.

[@lionoffireraw]

I thank God that Jesus has proved himself reliable to answer all the big questions of life: origins, destination, morality, and meaning. Attempts to undermine the veracity of the Bible have failed for millennia. The Bible has been proven reliable historically and archaeologically, and fulfilled prophecy proves its Divine origin. The historic resurrection proves that Jesus is in fact, God. He fulfilled numerous specific prophecies, claimed to be God in the flesh, and then backed it up by rising from the dead. When anyone claims that we can’t know the answers, or something is not possible, they don’t realise that the answers have already been revealed. All of this truth is well-established, and even a cursory look on the Internet will reveal the evidence for this. The problem is that they don’t want to believe. They set up an arbitrary, subjective standard of evidence, (which means nothing), so in their minds they feel justified in not believing. But all the evidence is there 😃 See the channel: “Testify”, for evidence ⬇️ youtube.com/@testifyapologetics?si=sFJn_7F7ZvX-2EYp If you can believe this, there are actually people today (and I mean full grown adults!!), who believe that our ancestors are fish and bacteria!! I’m not joking 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@sarah-kk4om]

I don’t see the problem. Unbelievers don’t go to church. I assume you mean people who are interested in following Christianity and think churches are gearing their sermons to people who are at an early stage in their spiritual life. I’m guessing some churches just have a lot of people like that and some have more mature believers who want a more serious sermon. They can’t please everybody all of the time

[@lionoffireraw]

That’s the whole thing... it’s not about pleasing anyone. It’s about preaching the gospel!!

[@jamiechippett1566]

If you get satellite map of Australia on your cellphone or computer screen and then turn satellite map of Australia sideways with NSW being at top of screen and look for township of Innaminka South Australia and look closely with your eyes and focus clearly and concisely and zoom in up and down and you'll see a giant prominent eagles 🦅 eye on head with a small beak and kinda looks like a bold eagle with its body and wings being the Flinders ranges and feet leaning backwards in flight being the York peninsula and while your at it with satellite map of Australia normal way up and look between township of yunta South Australia and edge of Danngali national Park and focus clearly and concisely and zoom in up and down and you'll see a giant lions face on head with a cat type snout pualco conservation park and has eyes and ears etc and last one a giant dinosaur foot claw with three huge toes and can even see toenails if zoom in up and down between mt Lyndhurst and Arkaroola South Australia and a graphic image on one of its toes. Give them all a crack on your cellphone or computer screen and be extremely amazed! 👍🇦🇺🤠

[@jamiechippett1566]

If get satellite map of Australia on your cellphone or computer screen and turn satellite map of Australia sideways with western Australia being at top of screen and look just above township of Warwick Queensland near the NSW and Queensland border and you'll see if look closely with your eyes a giant cattle dogs face on head BLUEY the dog 😂👍 seriously! And a graphic image 🪖 next to it. Ive also seen heraldry knights and heaps of Aussie slouch hats and bushranger scenes and Gold panning scenes or history character and personality all tied up in Australia giant story book 😂👍 jacob wants to tell his sons a bedtime story 😂👍 take it easy 👍🇦🇺🤠

[@beaugetostarmixedbag210]

For new people they should start of studying the Gospel of John(4th book of the New Testament). Gospel of John is the Most Important Book out of the whole Bible for Gentiles, to hear the True Gospel of Christ. Mathew, Mark and Luke are predominantly for Jews Audience and can be hard for new people(Gentiles) to understand. After that they should study, Genesis(Story of how sin entered the world and flesh by Adam and Eve, story of Noah and the Great flood, story of Abraham and his faith by willing to sacrifice his son for God, But God commanded him to stop in just a split second and was pleased with his Faith , that is a representation of God sending his only begotten son to be sacrificed on the cross for our sins) The book of Job(Tribulation and his Faith challenged by Satan) , and the book of Jonah(God wanting the wicked people to repent and be saved) also. and the book of revelation (What is to come in the future) . Afterwards. After that the rest of the Bible. (New Testament first)

[@newbeginning3571]

Gentiles is to be understood as nonbelievers. Israel are believers and the land of Israel heaven.

[@SincerelyLASMR]

1:50 AMEN brother! Makes so much sense 🙌

[@decoydave]

Using the term new people is confusing. Are you meaning new converts or new unsaved people coming to visit the church. Church is not for the unsaved. It is for the believer in Christ, as you stated in your opening words. For fellowship, communion, worship, teaching, growing and ministry for the Christian. Jesus said to go out and preach the good news, not call them in. It leads to a weak gospel being preached (seeker friendly) that does an injustice to everyone who hears.

[@lionoffireraw]

I agree with you. To be honest with you, I was actually confused when the pastor used the term “new people.” I think the main point is, as you stated, regardless, we are to preach the uncompromised gospel.

[@newbeginning3571]

​@@lionoffireraw I never watch the videos but read the titles and comments , you did a video awhile back titled stop trying to be a better Christian and I seen it and thought hmmm and last.night the HOLY SPIRIT led me to Romans chapters 6 and 7 and then the teaching of those two chapters by watchman nee and I still struggle with sin. Just saying. GOD BLESS YOU.

[@kennethschweighardt4920]

Unbelievers do not belong in church, they are welcome to attend, but really there is nothing there for them. The people who are attending the church have already received the gospel, the good news. Church is for worshiping God, encouraging believers, praying, and fellowshiping in the love of Christ. There is nothing in the bible that says invite unbelievers to your meeting. It says Go Ye into all the world... not into your local religious social club.

[@newbeginning3571]

The church is the best place to go to have people to try to mess your faith up especially if your unlearned in scriptures.

[@johnsmit5999]

That is the problem with trying to friend someone into Christianity. The friendship takes precedence over the message of Scripture. Of course we should be friendly when proclaiming the gospel. Open rebuke is better than love carefully concealed.

[@lionoffireraw]

Amen 🙏

[@paulmcnamara7975]

Sorry to disagree. Church is for worship. Fellowship, learning the word etc. is for later, outside the space where worship occurs. The only way to worship is to offer the sacrifice that makes up for our sins. That is how we gain forgiveness for our offences, by uniting ourselves with the perfect, sinless victim who died for us. Studying the Bible cannot do this. It’s good to learn, surely, but that doesn’t count as worship. Same for fellowship. He commanded that we eat his body and drink his blood. Commanded. Not suggested or requested. Obey or die. This is how we may have eternal life.

[@lionoffireraw]

I don’t see the Bible say anywhere that church is exclusively for worship. In fact the verses I quoted state the opposite. You’d have to provide a verse stating that church is exclusively for worship. There are actually no verses that state this. So it simply cannot be supported biblically!

[@b.t.3406]

Church isn’t a building or even a meeting on a set day on a set hour. Sadly, some Christians forget the true meaning and would benefit from studying Koine Greek.

[@GodTurnItAround]

​@@lionoffirerawrevelation 1, 2 and 3 - letters to the churches. Very relevant for this topic.

[@paulmcnamara7975]

@@b.t.3406 Neither is it some impossibly refined abstraction. It is Christ’s body on earth. He became incarnate and part of his mission was to leave behind a body of believers meant to teach and instruct. We are meant to gather in His name. The church is a physical reality, visible and recognisable by signs, as well as an invisible one. Think about the significance of God becoming incarnate. He took on the form of a man. The Word became flesh. So too with His church. It proclaims and bears His light in the darkness.

[@paulmcnamara7975]

@@lionoffireraw when we learn about God so that our understanding develops, a natural impulse is to worship Him. Fall to our knees and praise and thank him, but more than that, to obey Him and love Him and serve Him. He commanded us to eat His body and drink His blood. We want to unite ourselves with Him because we love Him. We do that in a unique way during the Eucharistic worship and it is this more than anything else that defines us as Christians. Bible study of course helps us hugely. But approaching God in the Eucharist and uniting ourselves with Him should be done in reverence and with awe. It’s not at all surprising that a special place is set aside for this. We call such a consecrated place a church

[@geneotrexler8246]

True .