No Ice Ultrasonic Fog Chiller Build!

ATTENTION! PLEASE LOOK HERE FOR THE UPDATED DETAILS AND THE IMPROVED FINAL VERSION OF THIS BUILD! - • No Ice Ultrasonic "Chi...
Here are the details on what is inside the no ice fog chiller. This is my version based on what I've seen in the video made by Intocoasters and some videos of the Cumulus fog machine made by Chauvet. No ice is needed at all for this chiller to create low lying fog. It uses water vapor instead to saturate the fog and makes it heavier by making it "wetter". All I have to do is keep an eye on the water level and refill it when it starts to get low, which will take many hours with a tank this size. The mister is the most expensive part of this build at around $100-$150 for a 10 head mister with a power supply. I'll list the parts below for anyone who wants to make one themselves.
EDIT - It has been determined that the secondary tank and water pump will not be needed if a float is purchased or built for the ultrasonic mister. The mister head can float in the main tank without the need for recirculation as long as the tank is of a large enough size to not get overheated or run empty quickly. Here is a link to the float I used for my 10 head unit. - amzn.to/3D0h0gn I've also rebuilt mine after failing to get a satisfactory lid seal on the tote. Please see this video for details on how to improve this build - • No Ice Ultrasonic "Chi... I apologize for any headaches and wasted time/money this tutorial may have caused everyone. I'm going to leave it up because it shows the details on making it, but I highly recommend using a float instead of the second tote and pump and use a sturdier box than a tote that can be sealed easier.
I'm using A Froggy's Fog Titan 1200 fog machine that can be found here or directly from the Froggy's Fog website - amzn.to/3rS3TxH
1 - 6̶5̶ ̶G̶a̶l̶l̶o̶n̶ ̶"̶C̶o̶m̶m̶a̶n̶d̶e̶r̶"̶ ̶t̶o̶t̶e̶ ̶=̶ ̶L̶o̶w̶e̶s̶ - EDIT 10/9/21 I had a lot of trouble sealing this tote against fog leaking out. Don't use it. - EDIT 10/25/21 A Kobalt tool chest from Lowe's - stock #1407437 is a much better box to use for this build. A thick bead of RTV sealant can be used around the underside of the lid to make a gasket that will seal it up tight. Others have reported good success with a variety of weatherproof tool boxes.
1- 5̶ ̶G̶a̶l̶l̶o̶n̶ ̶"̶C̶o̶m̶m̶a̶n̶d̶e̶r̶"̶ ̶t̶o̶t̶e̶ ̶=̶ ̶L̶o̶w̶e̶s̶ - NOT NEEDED IF USING A FLOAT FOR THE MISTER (RECCOMMENDED)
1- 3" 90 Degree Sweep Elbow = Lowes (inlet pipe)
1- 3" Straight Coupling = Lowes (underside inlet pipe)
3" PVC Pipe (You will only need about 4-8 inches) = Lowes
1- 3" Closet Flange = Lowes (outlet pipe) - You can use 3" pvc, but you will have to use a coupling to secure it and need a reducer to get the hose to fit over it.
PVC Cement, epoxy or other glue for the pipe fittings
1- 3in x 6ft Flex Hose = Amazon - amzn.to/3ncPNCE
1- Hose Clamp or zip ties suitable for 3" Hose = Lowes
1- 9̶5̶ ̶G̶P̶H̶ ̶S̶u̶b̶m̶e̶r̶s̶i̶b̶l̶e̶ ̶P̶u̶m̶p̶ = Amazon - amzn.to/3BSNsRp - NOT NEEDED IF USING A FLOAT FOR THE MISTER HEAD (RECOMMENDED)
3̶/̶8̶ ̶t̶u̶b̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶S̶u̶b̶m̶e̶r̶s̶i̶b̶l̶e̶ ̶P̶u̶m̶p̶ ̶(̶a̶b̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶1̶8̶"̶)̶ ̶-̶ ̶L̶o̶w̶e̶s̶ - NOT NEEDED IF USING A FLOAT FOR THE MISTER HEAD (RECCOMMENDED)
1 B̶r̶i̶c̶k̶ ̶o̶r̶ ̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶w̶e̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ - NOT NEEDED IF USING A FLOAT FOR THE MISTER HEAD (RECCOMMENDED)
1- 10 Head Ultrasonic Mister = Amazon or Ebay $100 to $150 - amzn.to/4bI6uMI
Silicone Caulk or RTV gasket maker for sealing around the pipes and under the lid
F̶o̶a̶m̶ ̶W̶i̶n̶d̶o̶w̶ ̶W̶e̶a̶t̶h̶e̶r̶s̶t̶r̶i̶p̶p̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶(̶Y̶o̶u̶ ̶w̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶n̶e̶e̶d̶ ̶a̶r̶o̶u̶n̶d̶ ̶1̶2̶ ̶f̶e̶e̶t̶)̶ ̶or Silicone RTV gasket maker if you are using the Kobalt tool box for your build.
4̶ ̶b̶o̶l̶t̶s̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶w̶a̶s̶h̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶n̶u̶t̶s̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶a̶t̶t̶a̶c̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶d̶r̶a̶i̶n̶ ̶f̶l̶a̶n̶g̶e̶ - not needed if using 3" pvc and a coupler.
1- Large SOCKitBOX connection box = Amazon - amzn.to/2YGANTm
1- USE A MARINE BILGE PUMP BLOWER INSTEAD OF WHAT I USED IN THE VIDEO! They are overpowered and you need to use a speed control to slow it down by about 75%, but they are made for wet environments and can be attached to the outlet hose instead of inside the box. Links below for the blower and speed control...
Blower - amzn.to/3piVsZ4
Speed Control - amzn.to/3n8FFZX
And this is not shown in the video because I decided to add it later, but I put a drain plug between the wheels of my tote to make it easier to empty the water out of the tote. Install it so that the plug is on the inside where it can easily be reached. amzn.to/3lxkTm9

[@mcmu0040]

I'll be following this build this week. After reading your parts list I did go back and get supplies for a drain. Instead of a wire shelf I made a float for the ultrasonic out of a wire rack, pool noodles and zip ties. Works like a charm and should be one less electrical connection without the submersible pump.

[@intocoasters]

I love seeing different methods on this. The wire mesh shelf is a fantastic idea. I'm glad this worked out for you. In the prototype, I used duct tape for the leakage, but that's not really practical in the long run.

[@llofdarkwater9152]

This was intense! Thanks for the post and the details!

[@MrTsunkai]

Thanks for taking the time to share your work and engineering. I've struggled with the fog thing for years in my Halloween display. This method looks very promising. Thank you!

[@justemusicme]

Crazy good dry ice machine 1200…. You could save that over years.

[@adamczarnik8833]

Absolutely Incredible! Bravo up and thank you for sharing!

[@11celtichero11]

I used my own design inspired by your work and I love the fog from this. You do great work! Keep it up!

[@rotgutrevolution]

Thanks for another great tutorial! This looks very effective!

[@chadthedrummer7]

SockitBox! Love those things. Damn it! No time to do this build this year, but I will tackle this for next year. Great idea and as always, you are my hero!!!! LOVE THIS!

[@gourdbox]

Well, did you do it?? Let us know!

[@PHVCE]

Amazing tutorial. Thank you for sharing.

[@mmaeso]

WOW indeed!!! Thank you so much for your tutorial.

[@HollywoodHaunter]

Very cool good work on this

[@hillcrestvideoprod1]

Wow. That is awesome. Thanks for showing how it’s done.😊

[@RestlessHollow]

Awesome project!!

[@michaelallen6898]

Awesome. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

[@ExperienceExplorers]

Great job!

[@Dasrahrah]

This is brilliant

[@leko916]

A bit of advice from experience - you should put the fan at the other end of the tote blowing in to pressurize the tote and thus pushing the fog out the outlet on the other end. This will extend the life of the fan as you're not drawing all of the water vapor and vaporized fog juice over the fan electronics which will shorten the life of the fan dramatically.

[@OakLaneCemetery]

Every single time I've tried that arrangement it causes issues with constant leakage from the cooler, tote or whatever container I'm using for the chiller because of the positive pressure. By putting it at the outlet it creates negative pressure that sucks air through the box and any leaks stop as soon as the fogger stops blowing in because of that negative pressure. Having the fan at the inlet does little to reduce damage to the fan because the fogger is still blowing through it and the fog juice still condenses on it and gets the fan wet. Putting the fan in a "Y" connection at the inlet prevents this, but can too easily cause back pressure, then you again have issues with fog leaking out all over the place and weak flow down the outlet tube. For a setup like mine, where I'm pushing a huge volume of fog down a 20ft long 6inch pipe, a fan at the outlet is 100% the best way to get the maximum amount of flow. Will it kill the fan? Eventually, yes. It will cost $8-$15 to replace every year or two and only involve taking out two screws when it does. I'm cool with that as long as it works. I'm contemplating using a marine blower unit as they are made for wet use, but also are more powerful than PC fans and may blow too hard to use. Perhaps a speed control might work with one.

[@Free_Samples]

Very very cool!!!

[@wumfpirate]

Thanks for posting this video. I made a build based on your setup & now getting excited for spooky season

[@OakLaneCemetery]

Glad i could help. Keep in mind this was the 1st "trial"version I made. Version 2 in my other video is a much better build.

[@Stiff_Richards]

Incredible

[@jeffreymurdock8366]

Now this I like. I do have a slight modification I would suggest to make it better. Branch the fogger setup into multiple smaller pipes and have small holes in the pipes and them inter connecting through a mock cemetery to keep that fog rolling through the tombstones. Bit spookier of a effect. However that would work very well in a haunted house environment as is. Im very impressed with it.

[@JeremyPrend]

This is pretty awesome! Thanks for taking the time to make this video. I might have missed it, but do you need to use distilled water?

[@OakLaneCemetery]

Ultrasonic mister recomend it, but its not absolutely nessecery. I just fill mine from the hose.

[@darrenlangille2020]

Great idea, thanks for sharing. You should’ve made this a on camera production as well and voiceover.

[@FlyingZayin]

The idea is good but not without a catch: depending on location (and more often than one might expect) adding humidity to the air can be a firm no go.

[@OakLaneCemetery]

Not sure what you mean. This 100% works for low lying fog outside. For inside I would go with an ice chiller over this setup or dry ice because both will quickly make the floor wet. High humidity outside only makes it easier to get fog to lie down low for the same reason this works - it adds moisture to the fog and helps make it heavier.

[@davidh.4649]

It might not work great for extremely dry places like the desert southwest in the U.S. If the air is very dry the moisture might evaporate into the very dry air quickly. Fortunately I live in the much more humid SE U.S. so not an issue. I think I saw where the mister will warm the water inside the tote container a bit. What you could do is add some ice to the water the mister is floating in. The specs say the water can be down to like 2 degrees C up to 65 degrees C so the water can be quite cold and still mist. That would make your fog colder as well as more humid and enhance the low lying effect.

[@screaminscott]

@@davidh.4649 If the moisture evaporates, then that will cool the air, and make the fog heavier. In fact, I'm wondering if that is what is happening here anyway. The fog is hot when it comes out of the fogger. The added heat causes some of the moisture to evaporate. This absorbs heat energy out of the air and cools the air around the fog.

[@GrimwoodHollow]

OMG!! Ahhhhh! That is probably the coolest thing I’ve EVER seen!! I LOVE it! What an amazing design and incredible effect! Thank you so much for sharing this!😱😱😍😍👍👍

[@asmarteru]

Thanks for posting this. Works really well. What size fogger are you using?

[@OakLaneCemetery]

Using a Froggy's fog Titan 1200 machine. 1300w and 20,000 cfms.

[@asmarteru]

That is a good sized fogger. I didn't figure it was a cheap 400w one. I have a 1000w one figured you work ok. Thanks again for the info.

[@OakLaneCemetery]

I have not tested mine with a small fogger yet. I intend for this to pump fog into a 20ft length of 6in irrigation pipe to distribute fog across the back of my graveyard so it flows down to the front. The Titan was barely doing it last year, but I think this year it will work VERY well.

[@oFallenDemono]

Sweet build. I'm in the process of it now. One question though. Which side should the ultrasonic fogger be on? The fan outlet side or the opposite? To me maybe having the fan so close to the mist maker will immediately draw out all of the mist you are trying to fill the tote with.

[@OakLaneCemetery]

Someone else was asking about fan strength earlier and this is another aspect where that comes into play. Don't use a powerful fan because it WILL suck all of the mist out and leave nothing for the fog to mix with. I have my mister positioned in front of the outlet (not directly under it though) and it is still able to fill the tote while a wisp of it gets drawn into the fan. I tried it right under the fog machine inlet and it seemed to not mix as well. I think the blast of fog was pushing the mist aside more with it being right under it instead of hitting the water first, then rolling up and meeting the mister as it exits the box. I switched my fan out for an inline marine bilge blower today and had to use a speed control to slow the fan down about 75% to prevent it from sucking the mist straight out and get the fog to lay down right. The more powerful blower was pumping a ton of fog out of it super quick, but none of it was laying down at all until I slowed it way down.

[@NordicDan]

Oh this is on the list for my Halloween set up next year. Don't have the budget for it this year.

[@OakLaneCemetery]

Yea, it's a pricey build for what it is. I'm in it for over $200 on mine. Skipping the float and using the tote and pump like I did in the video can save a bit on it, but it's the misters that are the expensive part.

[@NordicDan]

@@OakLaneCemetery Interesting that using the second tote and pump would end up costing more than the float. I would've thought the float would save money on the overall build.

[@OakLaneCemetery]

The tote and pump setup costs less. Should save around $15-$20 overall compared to using a float. IMO the float is a simpler, more foolproof way to go, but the tote and pump setup is a good alternative in case of float unavailability, failure, or as a means of getting it done until a float can be purchased.

[@NordicDan]

@@OakLaneCemetery That does make sense. For a price difference of only $20 more to use a float, I would still much rather go that route for the sake of simplifying.

[@aarongreene810]

That's so awesome. How did it work out with out using a fog machine just everything else?

[@OakLaneCemetery]

Pitifully weak. A mister alone is not up to the task.

[@bujurasta4894]

great video, why is the gap needed between the fog machine and the entrance to the chiller?

[@OakLaneCemetery]

Great question! A lot of people when they first try to pipe fog somewhere will jam the nozzle right up against the tube. The instinct is to try to keep as much fog as possible from escaping by not leaving a gap. This actually works against you and will result in weak fog and a lot of condensed fog juice filling up the pipe or tube. When the fog juice is sprayed through the hot nozzle it becomes a vapor (fog) by mixing with the ambient air and expanding. If you cut off that supply of air the fog does not form well and in a worst case scenario a lot of fog juice will just squirt out as a hot liquid and not even turn to fog. By leaving a gap of 1-2 inches you allow the emerging hot fog juice to draw in some air and fully expand into a cloud of vapor. Another reason to leave a gap is safety. Fog machines, especially the bigger ones can get pretty hot at the business end and could melt whatever pipe or tube you have it jammed against. Will you lose some fog? - Yes, but not much at all if you are using a proper chiller and even less if you have a fan drawing air through the chiller.

[@bujurasta4894]

@@OakLaneCemetery Wow....great information, thank you so much!!!!!

[@blackquiver]

Never thought to use a mister., huh.. Smart.. Like it..🎃👽👻👻🎃🎃👽🎃😈😈🎃🎃.. Happy Halloween

[@603VIL]

Great tutorial, and thanks for sharing. Do you think this would work in colder temperatures? I live in New England and Halloweens are usually cold...30-50°F give or take. I have hell getting my fog to lay low even with my chiller and frog juice. Any suggestions? Perhaps my chiller sucks? I modeled it after The Wicked Makers version. Its a simple tote, with pvc in then out. I fill it with ice. Not sure why I have so many issues with the fog not laying down. All I can think is that either its too cold outside and or my design needs to be better. Maybe the tote is too small? Idk.

[@hansgruber3352]

I've never had success with ice. You need to use dry ice to get the fog to cling to the ground.

[@NordicDan]

I'm curious as well. Like was already said, dry ice seems to be the most effective. Late October here in the inland Northwest gets fairly cool too, so I would love to see if the ultrasonic system works just as good as a dry ice setup.

[@603VIL]

@@hansgruber3352 dry ice in place of the regular ice?

[@RobertTaylorGreatfunshop]

Outstanding! one questionare you still using any fog juice in thr Titan 1200 ? I just subscribed.

[@OakLaneCemetery]

What do you mean? Yes, the fogger is full of fog juice and running as it normally would.

[@RobertTaylorGreatfunshop]

@@OakLaneCemetery I meant to say what kind/type of fog juice are you using

[@OakLaneCemetery]

Using Swamp Juice fog liquid.

[@garagehobbies]

How long does that PC fan hold up to moisture? Cool concept.

[@OakLaneCemetery]

Not long. I went through 3 fans over the course of testing and switched to a marine bilge blower slowed down with a speed control instead. Even that only lasts a season or two. Check out the rebuild video I did in another video. This one was just the experimental V1.0 I improved it a lot in version 2.0

[@risbill1]

"Here is the technology. I’ve asked you to simply make it smaller" - Obadiah Stane

[@donellis8231]

Just curious do you need any outlet fan? Wouldn't the fog machine suffice for pressure to blow out the fog? Never thought of a ultrasonic mister! That's awesome!

[@OakLaneCemetery]

If you were dumping the fog straight out of the outlet into your scene you would not need a fan/blower. It would help to move a larger volume out faster, but wouldn't be required for it to work. In my case I need to get the fog to move down a 20ft piece of 6in irrigation tube, then disperse all along it's length so the blower is 100% required.

[@jimbeam9595]

If I could ask an amateurish question, what did you use to make your cuts? Specifically into the container?

[@OakLaneCemetery]

I used a Dremel to carefully and slowly cut the holes for my pipe fittings, keeping them as snug as I could. For the drain I used a step bit.

[@christopheryarter4139]

Which brand of ultrasonic mister did you go with?

[@OakLaneCemetery]

Probably does not matter. They all seem to be pretty much identical. If you spend a little more you can get one with a waterproof power supply. That seems to be the main difference - the power supplies that come with them.

[@truebondroofing]

What are you using as a power source for the blower fan?? Its not a plug in so you have to hardwire to something that does plug in I assume??

[@OakLaneCemetery]

I used a 120v to 12v power supply with a built in speed control

[@banderabird2797]

What have you been up to neighbor? Oh ya know..just hanging out in my workshop with my pumpkin , giant spider and my lawnmower.. Oh and you should see the fog machine..but you can’t.. due to the amount of fog in my workshop.

[@AW-Services]

Great build however the PC fan isn't IP rated and the bearing will cease in no time at all due to moisture, a bathroom extraction fan works better

[@OakLaneCemetery]

Yep. A 12v marine bilge blower with a speed control wired in works even better.

[@jamiemorgan4146]

How often do you have to add water before the fog stops?

[@OakLaneCemetery]

I have not ran it long enough to have the need to add any water yet. I have had to change the water weekly to prevent slime from growing in it though.

[@andreafasoli8460]

So it is a glicerine fogger with an ultrasonic mist creator downstream?

[@OakLaneCemetery]

Made pretty much the same as an ice chiller, but instead of ice a ultrasonic mister and water is in the box. The box needs to seal tighter than an ice chiller and there needs to be a low speed, waterproof blower attached to pull the fog/water vapor mix out of the box.

[@ksnax]

Would this perform even better if the water is iced?

[@OakLaneCemetery]

Probably not, and having the water too warm or too cold can decrease the performance of the mister. They have an optimal operating temperature range. The whole point of this is to get away from having to use ice. Nothing but good ole room temperature tap water and it rolls out better than most ice chillers.

[@michaelrouse1941]

Why can the mister not sit in the large tote? What is the purpose of the smaller one?

[@OakLaneCemetery]

A couple of reasons, but mainly because the mister needs to remain at a certain depth. It will not function if it is too deep or too shallow. It will consume water as it makes fog and this will cause a drop in the water level resulting in the mister stopping. It will happen quick in a small container. (It happened to me in my first test video) By having it in a secondary tank with water being pumped in from a larger reservoir the level will remain the same until the water runs out in the big tank, which will take much longer. You COULD buy one of the $30-$40 floats they make for the Ultrasonic mister heads that keep it at a constant depth and just use the one big tank, but the mister will slowly heat the water, which will degrade performance a little. Recirculating the water is supposed to help alleviate this issue too.

[@davidjarrard2026]

@@OakLaneCemetery Any advantage to a "combined" approach of this and a chiller? Such as adding a big bag of ice to the water in the big tote? I live in a cold climate and fog machine fog rises & dissipates nearly immediately when Halloween is consistently ~40F outside in the evening. This has kept me from bothering to involve fog in the past. Might that provide a double whammy of the more saturated "heavy" fog from the mister but also the "colder" fog due to ice like a chiller?

[@michaelp.caputo8190]

I'm curious as to why you don't just use an old cooler instead of the tub. Wouldn't there be a better seal?

[@OakLaneCemetery]

I did ditch this build a redo it using a large toolbox with a gasketed lid. The lid needs to seal completely airtight and totes are not up to the job no matter how you try to seal them. A cooler might be able to seal tightly enough with some rtv sealant as a gasket since it is more rigid than a tote, but large coolers are more expensive than large toolboxes and the insulation in a cooler is not needed. The system runs on room temperature water and mist and need no chilling at all. This is version 2.0 which I am continuing to tweak and improve. - kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZWQn3pvaN6qeqM

[@75edickey]

I want to build this, but how are you powering the fan???

[@OakLaneCemetery]

12v power adaptor. Soldered a long extension to the fan wires and put heat shrink over the connection. Then I added a female 12v plug to the end of the wire for the adaptor to plug into. That way I can keep the adaptor, plugs and cords well away from the wetness. The fan itself is not made for getting wet either and will likely fail eventually, but they are pretty cheap and it's easy to replace.

[@75edickey]

cool, thanks for the reply. Also I saw your other videos and must say the fog looks great. I know this is a no Ice build but have you by chance tried putting Ice in the water to further chill it. I would be interested to see the results

[@MementoMoriProps]

How would this do in cold temps, like 30f?

[@OakLaneCemetery]

Should do fine, just don't let the water in the box get too cold. Cold water reduces the performance of the mister more than warm water does.

[@kleetus92]

dumb question, but what happens if you try to use the ultrasonic emitters on the fog juice directly?

[@OakLaneCemetery]

They work by super fast vibration, which does generate a little heat in the process, but not nearly what it takes to vaporize glycerin so my guess is that nothing other than destroying every ceramic head in the mister and possibly completely ruining it would happen. I have seen videos where they add a tiny bit of fog juice to the water, but I've also read others that say adding anything risks reducing output or clogging up the disks. As a general rule anything that thickens the water or leaves a residue will likely damage the ceramic disk emitters. They are replaceable, but still, why risk it when just water works fine.

[@kleetus92]

@@OakLaneCemetery Nah, that's cool, I was looking at a totally different application... Thanks for the info !

[@kevin4240]

@@kleetus92 I know what you were thinking, been trying to figure out how to use in a grow application myself and the nutrient in the water dramatically reduces the life of the disks. Let me know if you've come up with anything in your search 😜

[@OakLaneCemetery]

Kevin - Speak with the folks here at The House Of Hydro- thehouseofhydro.com/ I think they are the pros at using misters for hydroponic grow setups.

[@truecrony]

probably a lot safer than heat vaporized glycerin

[@OakLaneCemetery]

Still uses regular fog juice. I'm just adding water vapor to thicken it and make it hang low.

[@pimpgbear]

I dont think the bricks are needed, since the little tote will have a higher water level. It wont float away.

[@OakLaneCemetery]

Turns out the second tote and water pump aren't needed at all if you buy or build a float for the mister head as I did when I rebuilt this the second time.

[@OldBonesCreative]

This is fantastic! I've always wanted to use an ultrasonic mister for a haunt. Have you found that the pump has trouble keeping up with the volume of water the atomizer displaces? Or do they work pretty well together over long periods of time?

[@OakLaneCemetery]

The pump I used seems to keep up fine. Water constantly overflows the small bin while the mister is running. I would no go any smaller though.

[@OldBonesCreative]

@@OakLaneCemetery Awesome, thanks for the tip!

[@Nobutyeah2]

@@OakLaneCemetery what size pump did you use?

[@kyushoar]

what is this used for?

[@OakLaneCemetery]

Halloween decorating or special effects. It creates a spooky low fog effect over the ground.

[@spazoq]

Why not start with a stronger ice chest instead?

[@OakLaneCemetery]

No reason other than the big coolers are expensive, big totes are cheap. I've used coolers for the rest of my chiller builds because it helps to retain ice and coldness. There was no need for that with this one so whatever holds water and can be sealed up can be used.

[@buildingmonsters]

Couldn't you use a float or buy the mister with a float and do away with the second tote and pump? Less to go wrong.

[@OakLaneCemetery]

Yes, but the floats are expensive for the big misters (like the misters themselves aren't already) and in my research on answering that question for myself before building I read that the big misters will gradually warm the water they sit in, which could degrade output since they have an optimal operating range. I noticed that every big pro model uses two tanks so I figured there was something to it. I was going to test it both ways but the shitty company I ordered a float from sent me a coat hook instead of a float so I never got the chance.

[@buildingmonsters]

@@OakLaneCemetery Well you can't argue with results like that! You've done an amazing job and I for one will be incorporating it into next years build. Already blew the budget for this year. Thanks for sharing.

[@garrickdtaylor]

That's a whole lotta fog

[@haywardhaunter2620]

That's a really nice build of the "Roberts Fogger." I assume this is the @Intocoasters video you were referring to: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWawXoyYfLyZask

[@OakLaneCemetery]

Yep.

[@UnitSe7en]

Say _tote_ one more time...

[@SynAndVice]

Sure... the mist acts as a heat sink, which brings the fog temp down. Now, imagine adding a bag of ice to this! Fog lies low when it is cooler than the ambient temp, and when it is MUCH colder than ambient, it REALLY sits way down low.

[@OakLaneCemetery]

Except for the fact that reducing the water temperature below 40f will stop the mist maker from working properly. Misters have an effective operating range of around 120f and 40f. Being ran in water out of this temperature range greatly reduces the output. If you add ice to a ultrasonic fog generator you are only turning it into an ice chiller again because you are impeding the mister. The water mist does not cool the fog. It is still room temperature as it exits the box. My understanding of it, after a lot of research and reading up on it, is that the water molecules in the mist cling to the glycerin molecules in the fog, which makes the molecules larger, heavier, and 'wetter" therefore they don't rise into the air as easily. Is there some cooling going on? Probably a little. That said, you COULD run the outlet through a second box full of ice or put some frozen water bottles in the outlet tube, which would avoid making the water too cold and cool down the already low lying fog further in an attempt to get it even lower, but I can't really see the point in doing this since the entire point of making an ultrasonic chiller is to eliminate the need for ice all together. TLDR - It works without ice so ice isn't needed and could be counter productive.

[@davidh.4649]

@@OakLaneCemetery The thing is the mister produces heat and warms the water it's floating in. So a small amount of ice in the water it's floating in will counter that without getting the water anywhere near down to 40 F. I would think, say, 50 F water would be better than 80 F water for the fog effect. As for the fan ... any issues with too much or too little air flow? I had considered adding a variable speed controller to the fan so I could adjust the air flow.

[@OakLaneCemetery]

A fan that is too strong will continuously suck the water mist out of the box leaving it almost empty. When the fog comes in there is no water mist to blend with and it gets sucked right out as regular fog that will not lie low. The fan has to be gentle enough to allow the water mist to accumulate in the box and be slowly moved out after mixing with the fog. I hooked up a marine bilge blower to mine today and had to slow it with a speed control by about 75% to be able to get good low fog. Too little or no air flow is only an issue if you are trying to move the fog along a large distance like I am. With no fan at all the fogger will still create enough push to get the low fog moving out of the exit. It just won't be a steady constant flow.

[@a111z]

I don’t understand why you bothered with a pump instead of using the floats that people use for ultrasonic misters when they use them in ponds.

[@OakLaneCemetery]

I followed the original instructions given by KZbinr Intocoasters. I considered testing with a float, but the floats are another $30-$40 and I didn't want to put any more money into this project right now. I found one for about $10, but they shipped a completely different item to me. Having the mister in a secondary container is supposed to greatly reduce the mister causing heat to build up in the water, which could reduce it's output. A couple of people have said they are going to try the floats, but I have not seen any results posted anywhere yet.

[@a111z]

@@OakLaneCemetery interesting. Thanks for the video by the way and good work!

[@OakLaneCemetery]

I followed the demonstration from Intocoaters to make mine. Turns out he didn't use a float because he didn't know they existed. Just ordered one to test out and see if I can eliminate the pump and second tote.

[@ethenbrandenburg692]

With knowing how this works and how much it all costs, WHY is the Cumulus so dang EXPENSIVE!😂😂😂😂😂

[@OakLaneCemetery]

Probably several high quality misters in there, lots of electronics to control the fans, water flow and outputs, sensors to prevent overload, DMX controls and lots of other fancy features all packed into a really nice flight case box. Mine is pretty simple and flimsy by comparison, but it works.

[@ethenbrandenburg692]

@@OakLaneCemetery Yeah I know that...twas mearly just a joke😂😂

[@JeremyPrend]

@@OakLaneCemetery I’m not so sure about that, I bought the Cumulus this year and it looks like your results with your DIY are just as effective. I had no idea that what was going on in there until I watched your video… lol

[@massprankstv324]

Talk on ur videos man

[@OakLaneCemetery]

This silence thing really bothers you doesn't it? lol

[@RevenantManor]

@@OakLaneCemetery Oh yes, I am also trying to enjoy this incredible resource you've provided, but I can't seem to take advantage of all of this amazing iterative discovery work, clear guidance, and detail because I'm too worried about the fact that I can't hear your mellifluous tones!

[@NithinJune]

what is this music 😂

[@OakLaneCemetery]

It's at the bottom of the description. Just something I found on the Free to use KZbin collection.