NO MORE WARRANTY-...Is It As Bad As They Make Out? You Decide! FULL HEATING SYSTEM CLEAN

Full heating system clean and how to use a Adey magnacleanse.
I'm sure as plumbers we have seen bad installs or systems not up to scratch that get took off warranty by the manufactures but this one i wasn't convinced it was the right decision. We got called up to a system that had been taken off warranty due to the system water quality and was asked to clean it out, sure enough the water looked terrible and needed a full heating system clean but you be the judge as to how bad it actually was.
We will be doing a full Adey magnacleanse showing you the best way to clean the system, set up the equipment and the results at the end of the full heating system clean.
Also thank you to everyone that recommended a thermal imaging camera we have been sent one out and gave it a try on this job, it really helped out so I'm going to give it a test for a few weeks and report back.
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00:00 Introduction
01:09 Prep Work
04:41 How to set up a Adey Magnacleanse
09:17 Full heating system Clean
15:18 Mains Flush on a Heating System
18:55 Final Tests
21:28 Final Verdict

[@bluebulldog_uk]

Opinions will be split I’m sure on this one so let me know what your think…thanks for your support as always 🙌👍

[@user-cw6nq4ir7s]

Phewwww man that pipework 😂😂😂

[@kieranwims1976]

On the filter, when you take the filter off, don't remove the two black clips. They are designed to be pushed against as you unscrew the filter allowing for easier removal. Try that next time, its much easier. And grease the filter thread when putting back on.

[@bluebulldog_uk]

Never even thought to try that to be honest thanks mate 👍

[@paulthomas3841]

Thank God you are out There

[@Paul_YHPS_uk]

Nice video. Well explained. Thanks for taking the time mate. 👍👍

[@bluebulldog_uk]

Thanks Paul, always appreciate the support mate 👍👍

[@mcfcmanc]

Great explanations and patience mate

[@bluebulldog_uk]

Thanks mate 👍

[@christipler5067]

Good clear video of how it should be done - thank you.

[@bluebulldog_uk]

No problem 👍👍

[@user-li8gr8ur8l]

You did well there Luke it is a lot better then it was.

[@bluebulldog_uk]

Thanks mate 👍👍

[@ed393]

When doing a pwr flush or a magnacleanse risk access the rads first and get a disclaimer signed, especially when using aggressive chemicals like x800, I’ve seen old rads pinhole while the pwr flush is in progress.💦

[@bluebulldog_uk]

Definitely mate top advice I’ve got it in my terms and conditions as there is always a possibility of a rad popping, happened to me twice over the years, not nice! 👍

[@NindyBahia]

Top Tips Luke 👍🏾

[@bluebulldog_uk]

Thanks mate 👍

[@SmartPipePlumbing]

Great video pal I need to get myself a magna cleanse

[@bluebulldog_uk]

Thanks mate, magnacleanse is good kit, paid for itself on first few jobs easy 👍

[@smkfenton]

Top man. Love your videos. Glad to see you get into absolutely no trouble hahaha.

[@bluebulldog_uk]

Trouble free day, absolutely loved it 😂👍

[@delboy6384]

Lovely use of clips

[@bluebulldog_uk]

👀👀 they must of forgot that box when they installed this one

[@paulsmith2931]

Used to be an accredited installer for Worcester, but I’ve now switched sides and install Vaillant and Glowworm, so much easier to work on for your future repairs and servicing, plus the customer service is so much better, had a few customers who have had Worcester out and they’ve picked up small install faults, to be honest three years after the install you could have dirty system water again even if it was flushed correctly to start with, the customers could now end up paying out for a flush every three or four years now to keep a warranty.

[@bluebulldog_uk]

Worcester customer service I’ve always found great but was a little disappointed on this occasion, could of been a strong advisory or final warning but to take them off contract was little harsh

[@copperskills3973]

How can it if the water quality is being monitored and installed correctly. I agree that if open vented systems are flushed that can happen if not installed correctly in the first place but on a sealed system this cannot happen if the ph, limescale, tds etc is correct after flushing.

[@elwittinio2865]

I always like an Adey / sentinel or Fernox inhibitor. Find the cheaper city plumbing own stuff is brown in colour so not a fan. Nice work mate anyway 👍 👌

[@bluebulldog_uk]

Yes mate do like the branded stuff better 👍👍

[@user-wt8qr2zv5m]

Any comment about condense going into cast stack ? Great video well thought out and common sense

[@bluebulldog_uk]

Thanks mate…with the condensate few have mentioned in comments, It’s Not correct but can only advise unfortunately

[@tonymurff5234]

That’s The Manufacturer Warranty for ye if it fails a ph test the warranty can be void, I think the system wasn’t to be the color could be from oxypic leak sealer that stuff is like tar, Brilliant video Mate, 👍👍🤜🤠

[@bluebulldog_uk]

Thanks mate, yeah I can see where Worcester coming from but could of warned them maybe? System nice and clean now and flushed through so all good, ain’t sure on colour could be what you said or the cleaner they might have used left in?

[@rarheatingandgasservices4127]

The magnetic filter took out the magnetite from the water in your bucket, hence why you aren't picking up anymore from the bucket, the rest of the system is filthy as seen by your magnets! System well needed flushed

[@bluebulldog_uk]

I would of expected a lot to be picked up from that magnet from the colour of that water if it was all magnetite, I don’t the same on a video not long ago and it picked up loads. I think taking them off contract was harsh, final warning would of been fair to give them time to sort the issues out

[@fattoamanowoodwork3638]

Mate, great video as always. Love following you. Question if i may: i have just done 3 of these clean and followed exactly the same procedure but I am pretty sure that the return coming off the rads should be connected to the bottom the the right cylinder in the Magna Cleanse, around the filters then out the top exit of the left cylinder of the Magna Cleanse, to then go back into the boiler. I’m sure that the difference might be minimal but wanted to check with mate.

[@bluebulldog_uk]

I’ve never even noticed that to be honest, just thought as long as it runs through magnets be sound…might look into that if it does make any difference 👍👍

[@benderham5414]

Great video mate! Do you keep it in max rate or have CH on high ?

[@bluebulldog_uk]

Max rate to start with then when it’s up to temp drop down to low to maintain a good temp 👍

[@charliewillis8527]

I always do a full power flush which takes a day to do it properly but you get these guys come in and do it all in a day you know it won't have been cleaned properly

[@bluebulldog_uk]

Spot on mate I lose boiler installs due to the fact I quote 2 days, one to install and another to clean the whole system when I think it needs a full powerflush

[@charliewillis8527]

@@bluebulldog_uk but they soon come back when them guys fit the boiler and run .my mate worked for worcester when he went ther and it wasn't the boiler at fault he would give them my number I was for ever putting work right and it was the same story they couldn't get them back

[@JSSHandP]

Condense into cast stack as well by the looks of it!

[@delboy6384]

I love that, no fucks given

[@bluebulldog_uk]

I know not the best install

[@justinneal5751]

As long as its diluted from above its not an issue. I had a gas safe inspection back in 2006 ish and the then local inspector advised me even back then that is its flushed through from something discharging into it from above it would be ok. Mind you, I remember all the comments 20 years ago about condensate being as acidic as tomato juice........

[@lloydhocking3923]

If you go to a job and theres no heat to a couple of radiators and you've tried the usual, trv/air locks etc. Would you then suggest to clean out the system or replace rads? Thanks for the videos, glad im not the only one that has bad day's!😅

[@bluebulldog_uk]

Thanks mate 🙌👍 if it’s 2 or more then clean them out you’ll have a flow problem to them….watch tonight’s upload, I’m actually going to show you a rad that wasn’t working and the process I followed to get it working might help you out

[@markwright5536]

Hi there mate. Like the vids ss always. Got a problem I hope you can answer. I've just installed an easifit isolator valve but when I get to align the dots the y are both on the cutter plug. No dot on the housing. They are at 180 degrees to each other on the plug. Am I ok just to align them so both dots are in line with the pipe? Or have I got a faulty set? Cheers mate

[@bluebulldog_uk]

Honestly never fitted one, I would say they need to be perfectly inline looking at the design to get a seal

[@steveyboyXRP]

i use that connected to my pro flush machine

[@bluebulldog_uk]

Nice bit of kit the magnacleanse get some good results from it 👍

[@smburr1]

Sentinel X900 cleaner can be left in and discolours the system water…maybe that was added during the installation?

[@bluebulldog_uk]

Could of been

[@dombarnes7092]

I used to fit Worcester boilers just because the after care from them was the best out there.the rep himself once told me that they would clean a dirty plate heat exchanger twice under warranty if the system was a bit dirty then they would contact the installer to recommend they clean it but would never say anything to the customer about it let alone void the warranty🤷‍♂️ that filter didn’t have much on it really their engineer just must have been a bit of a pr#£k🤷‍♂️ which is a shame the bloke who fitted it probably chose a Worcester boiler for that customer giving them another sale

[@bluebulldog_uk]

I’ve known Worcester replace heat exchangers blocked up to high heaven, tell customer to get it cleaned and still keep them on contract so was a little surprised but least it’s all clean and sorted now 👍

[@dombarnes7092]

@@bluebulldog_uk definatly was worth doing as u got a bit out so all good👌👌 but I’ve seen that dark coloured water a lot especially on new builds and same as u think it’s the chemicals rather than sludge as the filters are usually pretty clean🤷‍♂️ great vid again mate👌

[@johnward5006]

Looking at the amount of contamination picked up by the Magnacleanse, Worcester were bang on! They look for a PH level of 8 or lower. Original installer should have done a proper powerflush and installed decent inhibitor. Why should the customer pay you for what should have been done with the boiler change!

[@Richard-ct4ok]

Most of the time customer doesn’t want to pay for a powerflush so a basic flush to the British standard it is. Like you say it’s an extra day + chemicals to do it properly

[@bluebulldog_uk]

I think a final warning would of been fairer, it isn’t the customers fault and it would if given her time to sort it out, fair enough if they have been out a few times to water faults but they had a issue with stat they wouldn’t cover…it isn’t fair on customer I agree to have to pay for it to be flushed when it should of been done on install but they wasn’t going to get them back in they wanted to make sure it was done this time to a better standard

[@johnward5006]

@@Richard-ct4ok there is no such thing as a "basic" flush to BS7593! You either do a proffessional job that meets the requirements of Part L or you break the Law. Bear in mind the installer has to PROVE compliance.

[@Richard-ct4ok]

@@johnward5006 To clarify my remarks; How to comply with BS 7593:2019 Step 1 - Clean: add a cleaner and allow it to circulate, so it lifts up all of the debris within the heating system. Step 2 - System Flush: Flush the dirty water out. You can do that using products such as the MagnaCleanse or power flush. Step 3 - Install Magnetic Filter: Make sure you’ve got an in-line filter fitted and this is a good time to clean and maintain it, such as Magnaclean or TF1. Step 4 - Protect: Add your inhibitor and allow it to circulate. Step 5 - Test: Test the inhibitor level using a standard inhibitor test such as ProCheck or inhibitor quick test. Step 6 - Maintain: You need to maintain the system and you can do that with an annual inhibitor test, and every five years, either a full laboratory test, or a re-dose of the inhibitor. There’s No mention of a power flush in the regulations. Hence why I call it a basic flush to the British standard; I.e it’s basic, and what we’ve we all should have been doing for years . I offer 2 types of flush to make it easy for my customers on my quotes, a basic flush which is included in the quote price (as detailed above) and a power flush at extra cost.

[@mrharry8466]

I've never used one of those. Power flushes...many times. Does it still have enough flow to remove sludge ? Loved the upload. All the best. That's stiill a wedge of sludge but not enough to void warranty, who knows....only Worcester. How much is that flushes kit ?

[@bluebulldog_uk]

Combi boilers they am great, open system I would still powerflush. Around £380 for full kit but timesaver on combi swaps or system cleans setting up compared to powerflush

[@mrharry8466]

@@bluebulldog_uk thankyou so much for the information. Big help

[@kennethbarr6842]

Thanks TOP Contents of Your Video, Systemic Up Grade? 30 % Savings On Heating Cycles and 10 % On 270 Days of Heating System? And Your HW Should Be PV Ans and S WH? GOOD Sizing no GAS? IN The System? HMU?

[@markh8659]

Hi mate can you recommend a good diamond core drill? I remember u had a shot of a mates on one video but can't find the video.

[@bluebulldog_uk]

Dewalt right angled drill, my mate got it from screwfix I can’t remember the model but it’s only one they stock from memory, is a beast of a tool but need big battery’s for it

[@user-dc8eb6xc5r]

I’m thinking of getting a magna cleanse. Can you connect it to a rad?also do they fit all filters?

[@bluebulldog_uk]

You can adapt them to but the kit won’t fit straight onto a rad and not all filters, would need to make adaptors, will fit all ADEY and Worcester

[@jackhoskins722]

Random question mate what size is the ratchet you use to get the bath tap cartridge out is it 18mm love the videos as always

[@bluebulldog_uk]

17mm deep socket mate 👍 glad you like the content 🙌

[@jackhoskins722]

@@bluebulldog_uk legend mate appreciate the reply 👍🏻

[@gasrite.]

Did you not do a pro check beforehand ?

[@colinfleming2244]

Think all manufacturers are using the turbidity test as excuse to void warrentys. Just depends on how pd off engineer is wether he will fix or not

[@charliewillis8527]

It's unusual for worcester to do that I know other manufacturers do that Luke

[@bluebulldog_uk]

I thought it was unusual as well mate

[@charliewillis8527]

@@bluebulldog_uk to be honest even if you spend a day powerflushing you will not get it all out you could spend a week I do what I can in a day

[@rossmale8715]

Wowww bro, can i borrow that thermal imaging camera?! 😮

[@bluebulldog_uk]

If I thought you would use it for sensible reason then yeah 😂👍

[@rossmale8715]

@@bluebulldog_uk you know me! 😂😂 But no need it round my house finding some cold spots

[@SuperWayneyb]

🤘😎🤘

[@bluebulldog_uk]

🙌👍

[@Hilliard82]

Pretty sure you need an air break on that condensate to cast also ?

[@bluebulldog_uk]

To stop sewage backing up into boiler? It was above the toilet level but shouldn’t be going into stack there anyway, was a bit of a poor install to be honest

[@nobodydoesithalfasgoodasyou]

Isn't air break to stop trap getting sucked dry? That's straight into the stack vent..

[@Hilliard82]

@@bluebulldog_uk I thought you can take it in to the stack bud ? As long as you have toilet or basin above to flush it away. But needed an air break incase back back on to boiler. Great work as always my man. Love the vids

[@phowied]

That was filthy for a sealed system that old. It needed the flush. Wish more chemical manufacturers did the small concentrated 250ml bottles, would make dosing easier.

[@bluebulldog_uk]

Fernox do a mini bottle for inhibitor 👍 I agree it needed the clean but isn’t the worst I’ve seen for it to be taken off contract straight away I think a final warning and a strong advisory would of given the customer time and peace of mind to get it sorted

[@kieranwims1976]

The engineer will fail an audit if he doesn't do an Adey Pro Check on any guarantee jobs where wet parts have been changed. It is an instruction by Head Office, if he fails an audit it affects his salary. So not the WB engineer being picky, he HAS to follow a WB directive.

[@bluebulldog_uk]

That’s a fair point mate, I had a feeling it would be something like that to be honest , when I worked at BG we had similar test and we would of failed that system in all honesty

[@Lutonman2010]

No system should have water that colour after three years of running. Im not saying every system should be powerflushed, but that looks like the boiler is the high point in the system and they didnt drain it properly when they did the boiler swap. Even a half arsed mains flush on the day would have left the water a better colour than that on the install. Ive drained hundreds of sealed systems that havent been dropped out for years and the water isnt that colour. Still think Worcester were being a bit harsh there though. But I dont blame the engineer, you never know whos following you in afterwards, and every company has got the self appointed Gas Police officer who goes weaselling off to the bosses if you havent follwed the company policy to the letter.

[@bluebulldog_uk]

Yeah agree with the comment to be fair mate, do think engineer was just following procedures, ultimately they get it in the neck if it fails again and haven’t noted it

[@dbinga6204]

Sentinel x800 in a adey magna cleanse 😂 definitely not get paid by them to use their kit

[@bluebulldog_uk]

Do what I want for now 😂😂 x800 is decent to be fair always had good results from it, i might try the ADEY cleaner…used there inhibitor if that’s counts? 😅

[@mickgascoigne4003]

Worcester have taken the piss there big time also adey pro check biggest con out there I’ve done full power flushes with the big machines for a full day tested and failed had to take a picture of the test strip about 4 times in till it passed

[@bluebulldog_uk]

I think a final warning would of been fair and strong advise to have it done else no more water parts covered…what testing kit you using mate? I like the fact it sends a full report for customer to see and keep record it with ADEY pro check

[@mickgascoigne4003]

@@bluebulldog_uk I use the adey kit as each install the client wants that which is fair enough but I’ve had it fail numerous times on a full install after a flush to get the debris out re filled with inhibitors I now send client failed cert with a video of the system getting filled with the inhibitors

[@bluebulldog_uk]

@@mickgascoigne4003 this one failed inhibitor levels on first round to be honest and taking the pic can be a pain Il agree there but the report is good part of it

[@mickgascoigne4003]

@@bluebulldog_uk yeah the report is great but getting there isn’t I no engineers who carry the same water round with them for the week not me tho lol 😉

[@alexriley6663]

think Bosch was spot on .... ha

[@bluebulldog_uk]

Think they could of given them a warning and told them if it’s like that next time they won’t cover water related faults

[@owenhewitt5136]

what pants you got mate?

[@bluebulldog_uk]

From a company called Volt PPE the trousers have been ok but holes in knees now after 9 months

[@glynstorer3269]

I’ve seen worse

[@bluebulldog_uk]

And me a lot worse than this one expected lot more on those magnets