No Safe Spaces? | Prager and Carolla | EP 190

This episode was recorded on May 7th 2021.
Today I’m joined by Dennis Prager and Adam Carolla to discuss their documentary “No Safe Spaces”. We got into the issues that arose regarding the distribution of the film, as well as other matters such as free speech, controversy, religion, and more.
Dennis Prager is a nationally syndicated radio talk show host who is heard on 300 stations across America and around the world. He is the co-founder and president of Prager University and is a New York Times Bestselling author of 10 books.
Adam Carolla, best known as a multi-talented comedian, actor, radio personality, television host, and New York Times Bestselling author. Carolla hosts the Adam Carolla show which holds the Guinness Book of World Records for the most downloaded podcast in the world.
Watch “No Safe Spaces”:
nosafespaces.com/watch-now/
Dennis Prager:
dennisprager.com/
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Adam Carolla:
adamcarolla.com/
/ adamcarolla
[00:00] Jordan Peterson introduces the guests, Adam Carolla and Dennis Prager.
[01:30] Free Speech and the relationship of PragerU & their movie, ‘No Safe Spaces’.
[07:00] The toxicity of equality of outcome.
[11:00] No more blind auditions at New York Philharmonic and defining merit.
[12:30] Hiring in the US.
[13:00] The problem with restorative justice and the measurement issue.
[21:00] The University of Pennsylvania English department taking down Shakespeare's picture.
[24:30] The distinction between liberal and leftist.
[27:30] How the left has become so attractive and its prominence in our educational system.
[36:30] Women's studies and the critique of dominance.
[37:30] Distinguishing between power and influence.
[42:00] Conservatives want to be left alone, and COVID 19.
[47:30] 'No Safe Spaces,' and its attempt to get distributed.
[52:00] The different controversies that surround Prager, Peterson, and Adam.
[54:30] Corruption of critics in film distribution.
[01:00:00] The motivation behind 'No Safe Spaces,' and what they were examining.
[01:04:30] Israel and Palestine.
[01:09:30] Why the left is pro-Palestine.
[01:16:30] What World War II parents did not give their children.
[01:19:00] Jordan and Dennis continue to discuss the distribution of the film and uploading it to KZbin.
[01:21:30] Prager's experience on Bill Maher's TV show talking about systematic racism.
[01:29:00] The Oregon educational system's multiple math answers and why Jesus was a carpenter.
[01:30:30] How do we adjudicate different claims of revealed truth?
[01:34:30] Do we need ideals?
[01:36:00] Dennis Prager's thoughts on the roots of Anti-Semitism.
[01:38:00] Views of people towards the Jews and the Torah?
[01:40:30] The link between Judaism, Christianity, and the state as primary redemption.
[01:48:00] Revealed truth, the ten commandments, and how Buddhism teaches that all pain in life comes from desires and expectations.
[01:55:00] What is the proper attitude toward peace regarding Islam.
Jordan B. Peterson is a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto, a clinical psychologist, and author of the multi-million copy bestseller 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos, #1 for nonfiction in 2018 in the US, Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden, the Netherlands, Brazil and Norway, and slated for translation into 50 languages.
Dr. Peterson has appeared on many popular podcasts and shows, including the Joe Rogan Experience, The Rubin Report, and H3H3. Jordan is expanding his current podcast from lectures to interviews with influential people around the world. We hope you enjoy this episode and more to come from Dr. Peterson in the future.
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[@Jennykre]

Mr. Peterson - I don't have the words to convey how grateful I am that you are in this world, spreading deep healing to hurting souls all over the world with your Truth and Love. Deep Appreciation!

[@warlockEd73]

@Jesus loves a Shovelhead You seem to be critical of Dr Peterson. Perhaps you don't realize this, but commenting on his videos helps him with the KZbin algorithm. Commenting in a negative way invites all his fans to comment on your comment, which helps him even more. If you're a fan who's decided to use a kind of reverse psychology to help promote his videos, kudos to you. If you aren't a fan of his, how does it feel to shoot yourself in the foot? Metaphorically speaking, of course.

[@warlockEd73]

@Jesus loves a Shovelhead Hey, as a fan of Dr Peterson I'll happily respond to your nonsense with my own. Anything to help JP with the algorithm! Let's keep it going!

[@warlockEd73]

@Jesus loves a Shovelhead Yes! Thank you for keeping this going. Question for you Shovelhead, I've been trying to remember off the top of my head if in the 1st edition of Advanced Dungeons and Dragons, do black dragons have 7-9 HD or 8-10? I really don't feel like getting up and checking the Monster Manual right now.

[@warlockEd73]

@Jesus loves a Shovelhead Oh boy oh boy! We get keep this going! And as an aside, we're both spouting nonsense at this point. But yeah, let's keep it up! I know you were wondering, well I checked, and black dragons have 8-10 HD. So that mystery is solved. But now I'm trying to remember if it's treasure type is H, or H, S, and T? Do you happen to know?

[@jmb8989]

I've considered the story of Jesus and how JP compares in moral senses. His moral pureness drives those with evil in their heart mad. His compassion is overwhelming and it is difficult to paint him as malicious yet they often try. I wonder, did Jesus die for our sins or because of our sins? He died because someone didn't realize how great he was or they knew it and that is why he was crucified. Jordan Peterson is often attacked, we know he struggles with health and it is known that stress aggravates health. I see a man sacrificing himself to humanity even during his suffering, while expressing his gratitude to do so. Would we recognize a child of God if we saw one today? I don't think so.

[@ChrisHarperKC]

I like how Peterson authentically questions things we all know to be true. As a discipline, this often validates and deepens truth, but more importantly, it forces us to learn, understand, and articulate our positions so we may defend them.

[@Thydeepestfear]

Ben Ben no, to your no.

[@kierharris976]

What do you mean by "know?"

[@kierharris976]

We often "know" a lot less about these things we all "know to be true" than we'd like to admit.

[@ChrisHarperKC]

@@kierharris976 "know" means "things we automatically believe to be true"

[@ChrisHarperKC]

@@kierharris976 Oh yes. I'm a regular idiot. My wife will testify on my behalf.

[@misteroz]

For crying out loud, Jordan - stop sharing all this meaningful, impactful, high-quality content, I have a job y’know!

[@BTODNG]

Lol 😆 I feel you.

[@bookworm8415]

My wife feels the same way. She would love to spend more time with me.

[@lowblowmejoe1348]

Right?

[@tracyackerman-hensley3134]

😂❣️

[@SuperHellonwheels]

I love this comment! I was just telling my 10 yr old daughter how I love listening to Jordan and that my time is valuable and I feel that he is worth my time. I am a home schooling mother, wife, daughter, sister, friend, cousin, daughter-in-law, etc and my time is worn thin so I choose carefully who I want to spend my time with! He brings value and thought to my life that I wouldn’t otherwise think about. Crazy how people can do that! Thank god for humans!

[@IVIicro]

"I like to hypothesize incompetence before malevolence" jordan is one of the best modern day scientists we have...

[@michaelz6555]

And he's hardly the first to say it. Hanlon's Razor states "Never attribute to malice what can easily be explained by stupidity." That was in 1990, and versions of it date back to the 18th century.

[@scottolson6858]

Yes, but….it seems evident to me that malevolence has it over stupidity by something like 9 to 1. I keep thinking “Come on, Jordan! Really?”

[@mlelder72]

@@michaelz6555 JBP doesn't claim the origins of the idea, just the practice of it. A practice we all might benefit from in these contentious days.

[@ForObviousReason]

This is actually Peterson's greatest flaw. Anyone who's parroting that stupid fucking Razor in 2021 is a naïve fool.

[@michaelz6555]

@@ForObviousReason and that would favor Prager’s view for why his videos get taken down, which is a foolish position to hold because, well, he’s just not important enough to merit targeted action, no matter what his inflated sense of self might otherwise believe. Incompetence ahead of malevolence is a good guideline. Yeah, some bad guys get through the filter but you’re not doing the world any favors with false accusations. Do that and you’re no better than MSM or Fox News (which is also MSM, just the stripes on the zebra are reversed).

[@brindygray4410]

Having Dennis Prager and Jordan Peterson talking to each other for 2 hours is like Christmas morning. Love it.

[@drts6955]

Omfg lol

[@malikialgeriankabyleswag4200]

You must be a zionist

[@henrinaths1]

Certainly brought joy to the here and now.

[@mikeoveli1028]

I think it is closer to Dante's 7th level of hell.

[@malikialgeriankabyleswag4200]

Imagine how amazing and jewish a Jordan Peterson and Netanyahu interview would be... No doubt thats coming soon

[@ericsolon4387]

This is the sharpest that I’ve seen Jordan since he was sick. Good to see and hoping for new biblical series!

[@K9Y750]

When did his benzodiazepines withdrawal start?

[@wilfrobinson9642]

You know what i 100% agree and actually tweeted that to him this morning. So great to see.

[@cynthiathomas5754]

This was very stressful for him. His blink rate was very high. But look how he pushes himself! His Core Values don't stop even after near death and chemical related torture. I think his final recovery was last year in the Eastern block. His daughter was by his side. They have a video if interested.

[@deedeemillan8526]

“We want to be left alone and we want to leave others alone”… perfectly said! Thank you Prager!

[@trinitygrimes2011]

I couldn't have dreamt up a better conversation. I absolutely love these guests. Please bring them both on again soon!

[@fredwhite9603]

Listening to these great men talk makes me feel like a kid listening to his grandfather speak. The three of you should do this every month. It would be a hit!! Thank you!!

[@codediporpal]

I like how both Prager and Carrola pretended at the beginning like extremism on the right is very small. Never mind that nearly half the GOP thinks Trump won the election and it was stolen. The leader of the GOP literally led a march to try to overturn the election, that ended in a riot where the President called the Vice President a coward for not overturning the election WHILE THE RIOT WAS HAPPENING. Prager himself wrote an article saying he's not convinced the election was legitimate, and the reasons he gave were all ridiculous. I listen to Peterson because he is sane. Prager is a fucking lunatic. I can never respect anybody like Prager.. They are worthy of nothing but utter contempt. I'm completely baffled that Peterson would have Prager on. He should at least pin him on his completely insane view about American Democracy.

[@polinco737]

@@codediporpal troll

[@wesman7837]

@@codediporpal if our elections were in the slightest bit transparent I might agree with you, but THEY AREN'T! I think you should address the situation as it is, not as you believe it to be, we are being manipulated, and indoctrinated on EVERY level! What makes you think they are being honest about the election?

[@xGreenHawk97x]

@@codediporpal Even if we granted that the election was 100% fair, transparent and was not manipulated in any part of the country whatsoever, I would still argue that the extremists on the right are still tiny in number and power compared to the extremists on the left. So yes, comparatively, Adam and Dennis were correct. Right wing extremism is small

[@seanfox3007]

I agree, I'd like to see them with their own show and have the people in positions which advance tyranny and destruction as guests and hold them accountable for their beliefs and allow them the opportunity to be intellectually honest. Those not intellectually honest, should be dealt with by having their peers review and possibly remove their credentials.

[@marcomongke3116]

Jordan Petersons videos are slowly but surely changing and waking the world! I am privileged to witness and support these esteemed individuals in my lifetime.

[@suedanim6249]

Yes, but he's jabbed. Muppet.

[@thescramble4309]

Woke

[@markcarson3215]

@@suedanim6249 What does that mean when you say “He’s Jabbed. Muppet”?

[@SoilToSoul]

@@markcarson3215 probably the 'vax'

[@redcenturion88]

Yeah except he's too fearful of drawing scrutiny from the outside world so he chooses not to acknowledge the most major advances in tyranny happening right now. "Safe spaces" is a miniscule issue these days. It's not 2016 anymore. He just wants to sit comfortably in his room and grift.

[@DeusEstPrimus]

Jordan is great for many reasons. I think the largest is because Jordan does what smart people used to do. Mr. Peterson routinely looks to discredit/ punch holes in his own beliefs/views (not only others). People are scared to do this now, because people believe what’s expedient to them and they don’t want to be disabused of those beliefs. The truth can stand up to anything and should not fear examination or criticism, on the contrary, it welcomes it.

[@matthewyeiser3451]

he studiously ignores racial differences like the plague. He's either lying to keep his job, or lying because he's an idiot. I'll let you decide. And, it's a shame since the left is lying that we're all equal and the same -- which is no truer than saying men can be women -- but the right has bought into it.

[@MaryHernandez-lq8kq]

He is a professor, a teacher and when we teach we must learn to question. How the truth is found... Reason!

[@albianchi]

brilliant

[@joec1212]

Humility has become a lost art.

[@joec1212]

@@matthewyeiser3451 what do you mean he ignores racial differences? Also who does he currently work for that he may be worried about losing his job?

[@lindat6910]

"The previous generation focused so much on giving their children everything they didn't have, that they forgot to give them what they did have"! WOW! What a line! Such clarity!

[@cantonhag]

I wish these three would have a weekly round table. This was excellent listen - I miss real discourse... What a joy to find a couple of hours of it.

[@jennyk9748]

Dennis articulated my feelings perfectly. One side wants to mandate & force; one side wants to leave you alone. I want to be left alone.

[@energeez]

so no date? ok

[@pastacarlin]

Unless someone wants an abortion

[@Individual_Lives_Matter]

One side is self reliant and believes they know how to thrive without interference the other is either willingly dependent on the central authority or wants to be the central authority.

[@Individual_Lives_Matter]

@@pastacarlin Yes, that’s a tough argument. It’s all about where the line for the start of life is and there’s little agreement between groups about when that is, yet everyone seems certain they’re right. There is a pretty good individual rights argument once the fetus is ‘alive’ (viable?). I’ve also recently noticed that we bend over backwards for “marginalized groups” yet we can’t do something for unwanted babies? Seems weird to me.

[@awethinic8379]

Freedom isn’t free.

[@BTODNG]

"There is a reason that Christ was a carpenter...He got his measurements right...To build a house you have to tell the truth otherwise it falls down and you need to build it on a firm foundation..." Grateful for the timestamps though I would gladly listen to the whole thing to get to that line.

[@daniellem8783]

favourite part!

[@stevedriscoll2539]

That's an interesting comment. I am not a Christian anymore, but I find that comment insightful and unique. To extrapolate on that: if Jesus had worked for any modern government's bureau of weights and measures he would have been fired.

[@rogomerlinthegamer8305]

Nice. I'm a data engineer. Me and Jesus are friends. But I guess he'd be a data engineer too if he is Asian. What you say is true. A lot of the professions that I'm not in tend to be less male dominated. It's incumbent for a architectural mind to have more intellectual integrity/ honesty than most other professions like sales and marketing. The latter professions also require less abstract thought. Good observation. That also means that people that appreciate complexity are unlikely to conform to societal norms and challenge their beliefs more.

[@gretelhance]

Foundation!!!!

[@xxwaldi]

“people who say that are confessing more than accusing” - I’ve been thinking for this for a while now. Thank you Jordan. I think we live in an epidemic of narcissism and sociopathy full of projective identification.

[@JimKJeffries]

I would argue all of cluster b is the individual's willingness to serve fear. This is the epidemic, the slavery to fear. Know your/you're love

[@joanr3189]

I have actually competed for a position as a french hornist in a well-known orchestra. The blind audition was fought for by female wind players who maintained for years that it was needed to ensure that competence could be judged on the basis of performance. The whole point was to remove bias against female competitors. Believe me, Carolla is right and the New York Times has gone down a badger hole with the wokists. A sad fate.

[@Individual_Lives_Matter]

A blind process, applied equally is the only way to go. Equity is not desirable, even if it were possible. Removing all struggle and uniqueness from an individual’s life for the sake of some abstract goal, no matter how noble, would lead to a catastrophic loss of meaning.

[@shaynezaba7882]

@Anarchy Supreme w/ Anchovies The answer is both equality of opportunity (keep the blind auditions) and promote diversity with tax funded programs to help find and promote skilled talent in under-represented groups. It helps children to see opportunity in the excellence around them, but the success has to be authentically theirs or you steal the meaning from the individual and de-value the position.

[@shelaughs185]

@Anarchy Supreme w/ Anchovies That's interesting, but there are lots of people of color who tried anyway. Maya Angelou, poet, Dr. Ben Carson, surgeon, Aretha Franklin, singer, Dizzy Gallespie, musician. I'm not trying to negate your point, only to suggest that some of her perception or ideas about trying may have been shaped by the people she was surrounded by. The Asian community doesn't seem to suffer from that mindset even though there are very few Asian basketball players. Their metric seems to be excellence in whatever you do (even more so than for many caucasian communities), which of course circles back to the topic of meritocracy.

[@shelaughs185]

@Anarchy Supreme w/ Anchovies Ok. My husband is also an engineer. As the CEO of a small company, he had a good relationship with a professor at a top engineering school, and was able to go see if any up and coming students might be good hires. His only limitation for those hires was that they could not be foreign nationals. Sadly, the US educated students were the poorest thinkers of the bunch because they're taught the formula but not the why of the formula so they could work around it when they needed to. He didn't care what they looked like or whether they were men or women. Ability and work ethic were the only real metrics. There are fewer engineers who are women (I know several) because women generally have different interests, not because we can't cut it. I want the people who built the plane I'm going to get on this week to be the best at building planes, no matter what they look like or gender. Same goes for my pilots. Same goes for my surgeon. It helps no one when we have "affirmative action" hires whether by ethnicity or gender. I'm sure your wife would not want to wonder if she were hired just because she's a woman or just because she's black, and her coworkers shouldn't have to resent her being there for the same reasons (I'm sure that's not the case for her, but it's a ready example because you brought it up - no offense intended). To say you "need more women engineers" is puzzling. Why do you need them? Is there something besides technical expertise that you need, or is it to meet an externally imposed quota? Honest question. Also, I'm sorry she felt uncomfortable going into a white-dominated environment. I hope she has been welcomed and feels accepted. In my experience, engineers are pretty accepting as long as they're competent. 🙂

[@jamesbailey8606]

I played French Horn in high school! I was 3rd chair… out of 3. 😂

[@kellydfunk]

It is an awesome interviewer who pushes back even when he agrees.

[@Teal_Seal]

JP said he’s preparing a series of talks on this, so it seems he was readying himself for that - needs to understand it from many angles to form his views and have responses for pushback.

[@kagisomonareng]

Life changing conversations! I'm so grateful this quality of content is available to the public, for free. I can't wait for your conversation on Exodus with Mr. Prager. Thank you Dr. Peterson for all the work you put into the podcast, we appreciate it.

[@playlistaccount]

I know you know this, and i’m sure you’ll adhere to it. But please never remove ANY video from your KZbin. They are absolutely priceless and an unbelievable treasure for anyone who wishes to delve deep.

[@shawnski001]

This should be a classic! Great guests! Thanks Dr. Peterson.

[@cyclone8974]

@E Ardlow Yeah.

[@shawnski001]

@E Ardlow If that is your opinion on these gentlemen than that only leads to the conclusion it is you that is the activist, a radical left wing one.

[@bamaraiderable]

@E Ardlow That's a fair question. Did you listen to this podcast? Just curious.

[@Seth-wj4tl]

@E Ardlow Radical? That’s a stretch.

[@andrewfortmusic]

@E Ardlow You don’t know what radical right-wingers sound like

[@celladoor_uk]

Man, it has been so cool to live through the explosion of online podcasts and watch it happen in real time - 5 years ago they were still pretty novel, now they are common place. I am loving these interviews Jordan, thank you for continuing your epic work and talking to fascinating people.

[@katherinefulkerson2866]

This is such an amazing podcast I’m listening for a second time

[@claycon]

True dat. Freedom is great! We may have a lot less today, but to have any at all is remarkably powerful.

[@irritatingtruth9121]

Well the left do not debate anymore. In person, or podcasts. Someone has to talk lol! But I agree, glad these guys are out there doing it

[@bhalobangali1179]

oh Jordan! you are toooo smart for these two gentlemen. Your unique subtle just retorts went over there head. I am getting to love /adore you more :):).

[@parkerj1776]

Rest In Peace to Norm… who would’ve thought such a bright and character filled man in one moment can be battling such a horrible fight!

[@endofunk2174]

That was the shortest 2 hours I've experienced for a long time -- an absolutely riveting discussion.

[@googlekonto2851]

I was waterboarded once. It felt not as long as this.

[@endofunk2174]

@@googlekonto2851 Doubtful... the most you could hope for is choking on your soy milk.

[@fs5775]

I couldn't get thru 10 minutes. Remind me to avoid *you* at a cocktail party..

[@dianenoga8538]

Wow wow wow the best I've heard in a long time. Please press forward

[@endofunk2174]

​@@fs5775 Shame... must be tough to be so cognitively challenged.

[@mariagarced1013]

God bless you, Dr. Peterson! There's a spiritual drought now. I shall never thirst.

[@wally993]

I haven’t been able to view a podcast in a few months and I am very happy to see how well Dr. Peterson looks. In very happy to see him in the mend. Thank you for all your work! You have made a difference in my life as well as my friends!

[@marielandry8929]

The prospect of Mr. Peterson, Mr. Praeger talking again...anytime....any topic.....thank you, thank you. Food for the soul, the two of you.

[@lidiasantoro3098]

We are being fed so many lies and misinformation by MSM, listening to clever people simply in honest conversation is a life saver! Thank you guys!

[@yj9032]

Dennis Prager is a bigger liar

[@avichalsinghal4786]

There's little point in arguing with this guy, he clearly has little respect for the varied nature of "MSM" and thinks that just because they report directly on investigations that show conservatives in a bad light, they are somehow liars.

[@drts6955]

Dennis Prager is an absolute twaddle peddler. I understand how people can like JP, who is genuinely insightful at times but politically naive. Dennis, though, this guy is just a mindless reactionary who pays people to lie for his "university"

[@anthonygarcia3543]

I could try to have one myself, but it’s hard to do for logistic reasons, an honest dialogue, that is. I have just one friend that would have one that differs in opinions, that still manages to stay for my classical liberal tirades

[@malikialgeriankabyleswag4200]

The MSM is owned by the same tribe who is now directing Jurdean Peterson

[@ralph0149]

Dr. Peterson, I would suggest, if he is able, to have Thomas Sowell on to discuss his book Intellectuals and Society.

[@mikedougherty3904]

Agreed!

[@exlonu3470]

Please make it so!

[@alexanderbean7737]

Oh wow, yes, what a conversation that would be

[@Prellzp]

Please

[@stevenwilliams1805]

Engage 🖖

[@premonitions1390]

Gosh, Dr Peterson, you've become such a father and big brother figure to me. I so long for you to speak to the current chaos we face here in Canada. We're trying to have hope but as Dylan writes - it's not dark yet but it's getting there.

[@jshpaint]

Prager and Peterson in conversation; what an intellectually, ethicality and wisdom packed feast.

[@rosgill6]

"they're crappy at influence, their great at power"-Prager. Fantastic line

[@azharsofjan9181]

That Carpenter comment although extremely brief, was so incredibly powerful.

[@lleradest827]

And you can understand why Prager dismissed it right away

[@ottodenk]

When

[@lleradest827]

When Jordan mentioned Jesus

[@nh5083]

I've learned so much from hearing these intelligent men speak.

[@zacharyjones5102]

Prager: " ...I wrote the intro to your biography!!" Everyone: His WHAT!!!

[@i0wnun00b77]

I want nothing more than for Dennis and Jordan to do more content together. So, so, so insightful.

[@theohuioiesin6519]

Is it really? I don’t get Dennis. I just think he is smug and simplistic. Help me out. I wish I could like him.

[@i0wnun00b77]

@@theohuioiesin6519 I totally see where you’re coming from, but I think you may underestimate the value of simplicity surrounding complicated topics. Smug, maybe a little lol. But, simplistic, I believe that he identifies complicated ideas, values, and beliefs in a simple way to effectively communicate to a larger audience who gravitates towards easy listening.

[@nickc9482]

Two of the wisest men alive today. Have been listening to dennis for almost 10 years and Jordan since the bill c16 debacle in Canada.

[@theohuioiesin6519]

@@i0wnun00b77 I’ll give him a few more shots then and see if I need to reassess my take on things.

[@i0wnun00b77]

@@theohuioiesin6519 Cool! And hey, maybe nothing changes, but worth a shot!

[@asmallmoon]

These discussions are without equal. Consistent, intellectually stimulating and entirely free. Thank you once again JP

[@uwaviator]

You gents give me hope and not a lot has given me hope lately. Thank you.

[@ClintMcCaleb]

Three incredible minds that serve as my lighthouse for this ridiculous world.

[@ammonheinzen8536]

Although I question the value of such public declarations of gratitude in a KZbin comments section, I can't help myself; I feel grateful for these three men. Thank you, Jordan, Dennis, and Adam for all that you do in your respective spheres to be lights in the darkness.

[@kurtisbartholomew2561]

This discussion was outstanding. I was captivated and engaged the entire time. Bravo Gentleman! Thank you.

[@white062208]

2 of my favorite inspirational people of all time (DP and JP)...and Adam... who I should probably listen to more. Thanks for all you do!

[@asusbose]

Run for PM of Canada Jordan we need someone like you!!

[@bullbear7897]

Google's motto used to be "Don't be evil" they've since scrapped it- tells you everything you need to know.

[@oktayakbas4904]

I mean, you can't discriminate against evil people, how are you gonna advertise to them and sell something. (Joke)

[@Teal_Seal]

@@mikekane2492 Good question. In a nutshell: Business & government elites (Davos/Great Reset) believe the switch from shareholder to stakeholder (capitalist to socialist) economy is necessary to compete with China long term. Coincidentally, it would also make the elites who get on board richer and more powerful 😏 To bring this about, westernized countries are moving toward a politically correct score (ESG = environmental, social, governance) by which businesses (and by extension, individuals) must abide. Oligarchy eventually controls/replaces government (the will of the people). For reference: Pro-ESG BlackRock manages $9T The top 10 investment firms manage $34T Whereas: Entire US GDP = $21T US 2020 consumer spending = $12-13T This is why boycotts have low impact and the NBA persists in pushing wokeness despite drop in profits (for example). Check out Justin Haskins. He’s writing a book and in August gave a good interview to Allie Beth Stuckey. I’d link it but YT deletes my comments when I link anything useful.

[@vazquezcarlos]

I thought it was "Don't do evil"?

[@FindingTheNarrative]

Man you know this is going to be special.

[@0kneelbeforezod0]

Yup. A special kind of cringe. Don’t forget to make your bed and clean your room, bucko. 🤷🏻‍♂️🤡🤡🤡🤣

[@FindingTheNarrative]

@@bradbecker8982 if words force you to surrender values than I would think you the most ardent ally of Peterson. However, if dialogue provides insight perhaps engagement of divergent thought is the cure to oppression.

[@FindingTheNarrative]

@@0kneelbeforezod0 I am enjoying it personally, but that is funny lol

[@FindingTheNarrative]

@@bradbecker8982 I feel you have a most flawed and self evident error. Think of all the great people throughout history. Joan of Arc, Martin Luther King, William Wallace, Jesus Christ. All of these through sacrifice elevated what would have been a rather meaningless existence into something than has transcended time. What would be the retort? If they had been more selfish their lives would have had greater meaning? Doubtful. I find this evident in mine own life...my love and admiration for my father has grown throughout my life as I recognize the personal sacrifices he made to bring us out of poverty. His sacrifice did not make him less, but rather magnified himself and all those around him.

[@FindingTheNarrative]

@@bradbecker8982 you have failed to differentiate the event from the meaning of the event. Christ's whole ministry was to be a sacrifice to ensure mankind's freedom. That at least is the type being portrayed. When he makes that statement it is the exact moment God is rejecting him in order to accept mankind. Likewise you are promoting self to level of deity. If all are deity than what is divine? Peterson's approach is equal echoed in Buddhism as Christianity. The realization that sacrifice leads to greater enlightenment is understood across all cultures and fields of study. The whole concept of the future and community is one that mandates sacrifice. The reason I used those examples is that it was not their words that lead to great change and elevation. It was indeed their sacrifice. Their sacrifice cemented their ideas and aspirations across time. If they had merely spoken them they would have faded in the noise long ago.

[@azuth11]

“I hypothesize incompetence before malevolence” -Jordan Peterson I am so using this.

[@joec1212]

Bravo to all the men on these podcasts. Who will fill their shoes....

[@legaleagleandpaws8198]

Equality of opportunity (merit) versus equality of outcome (non-mutable characteristics)...is a great framework for us all to see what is really going on these days...this needs to be shared and broadcasted to the entire world...keep it up Dr. Peterson and guests! Thank you.

[@SoilToSoul]

This is such an important topic, and so many people don't know the distinction between them. I find these terms the easiest to use as examples when trying to open up a conversation concerning political differences and endeavors between parties, because so many don't know. They are usually very thoughtful afterwards, instead of argumentative.

[@kellydfunk]

The problem is that they have embraced this definition and aren't afraid to make it their point. Eg this definition (equality=equal opportunity, equity=equal outcome) was used in the required dei "training" at my work, and in another lecture I foolishly attended as part of a school reunion weekend (!!!), and they weren't bothered at all.

[@oliviamiller7434]

That’s just halfway down the road. Money is the finish line. Not only that, but the direction is powered by anger that successful people cheated others to own assets like homes. So, get ready to hand over your own personal equity in your lifetime savings to the deal broker, government.

[@Individual_Lives_Matter]

Just be careful about equal opportunity. It’s more like equal process. We can’t make everyone equal at the start, we can only make the process equal in application.

[@awethinic8379]

Equity means everyone poor but the rich get richer. Even if we all wake up, there’s no guarantee for victory. Georgia guidestones, UN agenda 2030, COVID-19, the great reset lay it all out. In the climate change church, 12 out of 13 must die. Now while we are still have the numbers, MAKE A STAND! Your life depends on it.

[@amandadee412]

I love Dennis and Adam together; Dennis is like a proud father when it comes to Adam and I am living for it😂

[@yj9032]

Both are clowns who peddle pseudo science.

[@nolancho]

@@yj9032 wow. You convinced me!

[@amandadee412]

@@yj9032 lol yeah pseudoscience. What’s your definition of pseudoscience? I’d love an example.

[@Michael-jv7uq]

I tried to like Prager... I enjoyed his biblical commentary books and will buy the next one when it comes out (not sure why I can't find it even though it supposedly had a 9/7/21 release date). But compared to Jordan Peterson, he seems like a child intellectually. I'd consider myself a Republican now, but listening to Prager advocate for the claim that we don't know for sure that Biden won the election annoyed me as he spoke about his life of pursuing truth. He sounds like a right wing partisan hack to me unfortunately, but his rational bible books are good so I'll keep buying those.

[@amandadee412]

@@Michael-jv7uq are you saying that Dennis saying we don’t know for sure if Biden win is what annoyed you or the fact that he isn’t doing anything to get to the bottom of it? I think it’s important to remember that Dennis is older and very optimistic and I don’t think he understands how the world is now meaning he doesn’t understand how corrupt our government really is.

[@vintagekory]

That thank you at the end, that’s called honest humility. God tests people by the praise they receive, Dr. P hit the mark.

[@daraharvey4519]

Adam’s input is my favorite in this discussion. He brings a practical layman’s perspective with a snarky sense of humor to an otherwise heavily intellectual discussion-Adam is no less intelligent than Jordan or Dennis, but he’s more relatable and funny. He’s the reason I tuned in to this discussion.

[@stephenburton9506]

I would have listened anyway but well timed humor injected to keep things less tense was well needed

[@Cesar-pq2ck]

Adam is the subtitles for me

[@luciuscoal]

"If you start thinking about the after life... the fear is that you won't focus on this life." -Dennis Prager Kills It!

[@wizziw1961]

That might be "the fear" but since our future affairs in the afterlife are thought to depend on our actions in this life, that fear is a bit daffy.

[@lintoppthomas]

Man is made for the enternity...man's life on earth is short

[@tima5033]

I just try to focus on this one life I know I have

[@TheJeanette53]

As another said “so heavenly minded they are of no earthly use”.

[@darkomen42]

As much as I like Adam I'm glad you and Dennis had some one on one time to talk. The more I've heard from Dennis over the years the greater and greater affection I have developed to his approach and style of thinking. I think the best compliment I can give is all 3 of you are good men.

[@enyaliuslll3954]

He does have a tremendous appeal to those who are impervious to complexity. That's not meant to mock him as a shallow or unsophisticated individual. He is not. At times he makes very original and powerful observations. And he is undoubtedly motivated by truth seeking and is drawn more to the heavier and deeper issues of life, but together with this love of deep thought, he is markedly prone to simplistic black-or-white judgments.

[@bobhsohi704]

I agree , more of these. Three GOOD men !

[@kryptocide-]

"The left snapped into action" 🤣🤣🤣 perfectly said.

[@chrismontante7543]

We really need a three hour convo with Prager again about only religion, that would be my absolute favorite

[@wolfachilles5451]

Excited as hell to see Dennis and Peterson together again

[@cwoza5]

Me too. This is epic.

[@JordanX767]

You still need to have James Lindsay on for a deep dive into Marxism, Hegel, Marcuse, Critical Theory and it’s origins in the Frankfurt School.

[@BezmenovWasRight]

Yes!

[@ChazinSthl]

Hell yes

[@Zara-tt7rh]

His breakdown of Hegel is the best I’ve ever seen.

[@NomenNescio99]

Yes, although Dr Peterson's communication of pomo and critical theory has improved significantly since he first entered the public arena - James Lindsay is the true master when it comes to this. I was personally was very disappointed when I realized that the frankfurt school had nothing to do with sausages, but in retrospect grateful that James Lindsay educated me.

[@robiu013]

lol, James Lindsay - expert on those things

[@ricardozk]

Hearing that Jordan and Dennis will talk about Exodus and that Jordan will continue the lecture series with Exodus makes me excited.

[@tonyaradcliffelovell2487]

Intellectual honesty and the pursuit of truth! Amen!!!

[@burgandy57]

This podcast is my safe space

[@OneDayOrDayOne_117]

Precisely

[@the300XM8]

Same my friend. Greetings from Croatia🇭🇷, once great Europe 😔

[@jabonny]

I'm so triggered to improve myself and my familly

[@jennyk9748]

I second that emotion, friend 😄

[@seventeenseventysix5589]

@@the300XM8 Good men and women like us will help keep our nations alive. Keep up the fight! Greetings from America 🇺🇸!

[@spindoctor6385]

It was only 3 days ago Jordan hit 4 mil subscribers, 3 days later it is an extra 30K. At that rate it could be 7million in less than a year. Incredible growth.

[@petyrbaelish1216]

Nah we will ban him. He's not smart enough to skirt the TOS forever.

[@ImEverythingYouCrave]

@@petyrbaelish1216 nice try dork, keep your troll comments away.

[@petyrbaelish1216]

@Jesus loves a Shovelhead I will report his old videos for medical misinformation. Feel free to join me.

[@troymash8109]

@Jesus loves a Shovelhead People like you are an endless source of entertainment. Nothing funnier than a religious zealot with zero self awareness...😂

[@puddspudds5102]

@Jesus loves a Shovelhead he said he wasn't aware if the movement disorder that can occur..usually long term use but his was short term. Just unlucky.ya can't know it all

[@christoney2491]

💯💕💖These are three of my favorites. I can (and do) listen to hours, and hours of Jordon Peterson. PragerU is among my most watched, and Adam is the icing on top. *** THANK YOU ***

[@AnthonyRodriguez-xe7cx]

When I was in high school we had an assembly to listen to a motivational speaker. I'm all for motivation but not at the expense of reality. Sitting next to me was my friend Ernest who was in a wheelchair due to some kind of bone disease that made his bones fragile. During the course of the talk the speaker said boys and girls you can be anything you want to be. Ernest leans toward me and whispers "That' bullshit, I love basketball but I sure as hell can't be an NBA basketball star!

[@fullmoon1072]

Oh my goodness!! 3 of my most loved people in the world!! What a Labor Day gift 🎁

[@doswoods653]

I grew up with ‘loveline’... I can’t begin to express how happy I am that Adam didn’t end up on the left as MTV obviously did and I appreciate Dennis’ efforts to bring “right wing” culture to the forefront for younger viewers. JBP is always a delight to listen to... he’s made an enormous impact on my life personally and I’m better for it. My family and daily life have been enriched so much by his ability to articulate complex ideas in a way that makes perfect (and obvious) sense. I owe a great deal to all three of these men as one or more of them have been accessible for my entire life. Thanks to all of you and God bless you for your courage and willingness to be under fire for the betterment of mankind. Much love.

[@daveweisbrich1769]

Mahalo

[@jamesp8164]

Love this conversation. Haven’t seen Prager this fired up before.

[@musings2134]

This is the best resource to learn English that I have ever found.

[@lukehanna999]

funny

[@nomorefaith4988]

Dr Peterson you seemed particularly engaged, jovial and healthy in that very entertaining episode, which was very good to see. 😎👍

[@salimasencio3629]

Glad to see Mr, Jordan Peterson doing better and better, God Bless you Sir and thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.

[@tracyfair6572]

Jordan you disappoint me. You were who I went to gain knowledge and understanding of the things in the world. When I listen to you and your biblical series and your rules and different topics that you have done I found you to be so inspiring and grounded I no longer feel that way this conversation has nauseated me goodbye Mr. Peterson

[@OneHundredYearsAgo]

I just learn so many insights and understanding from hearing you guys hash out all of these topics. It really is amazing. Thank you gentlemen.

[@OccamsRazor393]

Thank you Jordan for everything you are doing! 🌞

[@teotwawki00]

Wow, I needed this. My mind and ears are grateful to see and hear 3 intellectual, sensible, honest guys with common sense conversing. Ahhhhhhh. My blood pressure went down 20 points, my IQ went up 20 points, and my optimistic sanity flooded back. Thank you one and all. 🤓👍

[@yj9032]

Prager and Corolla are clowns. Jordan has given them a shot to prove themselves, but they only ended up exposing their lack of honesty.

[@drts6955]

If you consider Prager honest...

[@foreman_spike]

@@yj9032 I don’t know much about the two. Can you elaborate?

[@thermalrain_yt9725]

Adam is the most practical person I've ever heard speak. Common sense in the dictionary has a picture of Adam Corolla next to it.

[@hilltop1972]

I love Adam's pragmatic approach to thinking about problems and solutions

[@kcinkg]

Dennis naming Peterson among the handful, (5), people he admires as a truthful person, makes me feel good about the esteem I hold Peterson in. 😌

[@googlekonto2851]

My god your post is pure ideology

[@kcinkg]

@@googlekonto2851 whatever stops the tears right? 😂

[@debbieh.9933]

Two of my favorite men. Brilliant, humble, genuine. I learn every time I listen to them. Hearing them converse is a treat!

[@patmyles4776]

Two of the most enjoyable people to listen to in the world.

[@terimuench2676]

I cannot describe properly how very much I appreciated this video. Thank you for all the knowledge you all share with everyone.

[@jamiepeay528]

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” - C. S. Lewis “The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.” - Albert Camus

[@danasmith3288]

Love that quote from Lewis. Spot on.

[@larrysmith2123]

That is pretty much CCP CHINA.

[@drts6955]

Or any religion!

[@JAllanC12]

@@drts6955 @Drt S The bloodiest philosophy and secular religion is atheism. The 20th Century was the bloodiest in human history largely at the hands of atheist state communists. 100s of millions of people dead, murdered to eradicate religion and usher in utopia. It is not just limited to the 20th Century. The French Revolution descended into excess first by targeting the church, then by attempting to impose thought and compliance. The Cult of Reason was an attempt to force compliance, destroy not just the church but faith, and impose atheism. The Albanians made religion illegal under Enver Hoxha. The Soviets suppressed all regions and established the League of Militant Atheism, imprisoned and murdered 10s of millions of believers, and established museums to atheism throught the Soviet Union. Additionally you have millions of dissidents who fought tyranny precisely because of faith. The simple assertion that any religion is equally culpable to the excess of the worst tyrannies in human history ignores the blood lust of the opponents of religion in the last century alone and equally ignored the people who opposed such tyranny then and earlier because of their faith.

[@JAL19731]

Lewis was referring to moral rehabilitiation of criminals. . . saying we should NOT be worried about rehabilitation. Camus was a socialist like George Orwell.

[@texaslorraine]

Lovin it. TY for yall’s discussion. I am 76 yo female who is aghast and amazed at how America’ young folk have a deficit of critical thinking. I sent this to all my 6 kids. Hopefully they will send to their kids.

[@Teal_Seal]

Loving that you’re here, Lorraine! 🇺🇸

[@sellyshootsandscores9300]

Some of us still have common sense and seek truth. Do not despair ❤️

[@Silious950]

Funny, it’s your generation who saw MLK, JFK, Bobby, and Malcolm X get assassinated and no one rose up to challenge. I think it’s your generation who lacked morals and character to overthrow the tyrants. Don’t worry, real Americans will fix what your generation failed to do.

[@Teal_Seal]

^^^ self-righteous much? (Silious & Shovelhead)

[@Teal_Seal]

@Jesus loves a Shovelhead Thousands of people say his words have changed their lives for the better. He’s overcome an addiction in the public eye, raised two successful kids, and has a loving, 30+ year marriage. YOU are smearing him in a comments section on YT through an anonymous account. 🤔 If anything, he’s raised awareness of benzodiazepines and the risk of addiction. Maybe there’s someone else more worthy of your concern and disdain?

[@brianbearden8390]

That little chuckle Jordan gives after Dennis brings up Oprah, is priceless. It is a RARE thing to render Jordan speechless if even for a moment. Thank you Dr. Peterson. You have elevated my thinking and my life.

[@sunweaver]

What can I say, this was simple wonderful. Thank you for everything, I very much need sane voices in my life.

[@darrenpursuingtruth2895]

Dennis’ closing statement speaks to why I and countless others tune into Jordan’s work. Another great video

[@Shufi1]

And why I listen to Dennis's radio program. Two moral mentors

[@codediporpal]

Prager still has not accepted the legitimacy of the 2020 election, because: "In 132 years, no president has received more votes in his run for reelection and lost. Yet Donald Trump received 10 million more votes in 2020 than in 2016 - and lost.,,,,Trump won 18 of the 19 counties both Democrats and Republicans regard as the “bellwether” counties that virtually always go with the outcome of presidential elections. Yet he lost." I'm sorry man. Prager is a fucking lunatic. Anybody that entrains thoughts that the election was stolen because of completely idiotic reasons like that should not be listened to by anybody. It's like saying the Washington Nationals could not have won the 2019 world series legitimately because the Washington DC team had not won since 1924. He does not believe in America. He thinks the whole thing is "rigged", just like Trump. He thinks his side is right, and those that oppose him are cheating.

[@jdubw4702]

@@codediporpal How many times do you need to type the same reply to different comments?

[@ShotofCyanide1]

I love this episode I hope your health has improved even marginally. You look better and I hope you're feeling and doing better. My thoughts often go out to you and your family. Your a good man Mr. Peterson and in shaky times such as these I feel very fortunate to be born in a period where I get to hear you speak.

[@michelmalek4145]

Well said

[@jmb8989]

@@michelmalek4145 Absolutely.

[@mghewitt1]

Amen.

[@regine3147]

I saw this was 2 hours long, and thought to myself, do I really want to listen to this? Best 2 hours in quite some time. If this whole pandemic thing was put in the hands of people like yourselves, we probably would be in a better place than what we currently are. Thankyou gentleman. So worthwhile listening to and learning from. Go free speech with dignity and integrity!

[@davidfitcher2953]

Prager and Peterson crossover is what I was waiting for.

[@dust7548]

I love this one because if you watch the interactions between Peterson and Prager, there seems to be a bit of tension because Jordan doesn’t automatically accept Prager’s suppositions. He makes him justify his assertions before he can get behind them. To anyone who thinks that Peterson is far right or a mouthpiece for right wingers, show them this. He’s purely concerned with logic and intellectual honesty regardless of politics. It just so happens that many right wing positions ARE the positions of logic and merit. Very interesting.

[@Zara-tt7rh]

Jordan is as sincere a philosopher that we have seen since Socrates. So he does indeed question everyone, especially himself. That’s why his message is so captivating in its obvious truthful capacity.

[@stigcc]

I am on the extreme right and there Peterson is seen as a gatekeeper and a mouthpiece for the «elite»

[@BrightBlueJim]

I would argue that Peterson goes through the motions of challenging Prager's blatant bias. But then he immediately accepts Prager's defense, and moves on to the next thing. I'm starting to see this pattern in Peterson's podcasts, where he makes token moves toward criticism, and then wholeheartedly accepts whatever his guests say.

[@dust7548]

@@BrightBlueJim If that were the case, he’d cancel his scheduled talks with Muslim apologists because Prager is opposed to the religion of Islam. But those talks are still set to occur and Peterson never really conceded any territory on the morality of the religion. If you haven’t watched the whole video, you should. Might change your mind on the patterns you’ve seen.

[@Zara-tt7rh]

@@stigcc very interesting.

[@mtfine]

As a life long Democratic and progressive, I appreciate and learn from listening to you, and don’t understand the pushback and fear exhibited by my fellow travelers.

[@googlekonto2851]

As a black handicapped gay person I approve this message.

[@virginiachapman3302]

sheer joy and stimulation comes from these discussions. Excellent questions Dr Peterson. You help us all grow. As Dennis Prager said, that we would become better people, identifing true evil and true good. Thank you.

[@rekindlefitness]

Really enjoying this discussion! So many interesting points, so much for for thought. Thank you, Jordan!

[@1993HBh]

Each time Jordan Peterson posts a new longform podcast, it sparks joy! Thank you Dr. Peterson

[@idontwanttomakeachanneliju632]

This prager guy its getting a little fired up. I love Jordan's calm. He sets an incredible example.

[@ex7229]

I like Dennis passion.

[@fs5775]

He's an obnoxious BLOWHARD

[@IndestructibleMandelbrot]

Y'all have a point imo. He had some cool ideas, but he always spoke like he was definitely right and knew all the answers. He was less involved in a conversation, but rained down his wisdom onto Jordan. Little pretentious. But holy, what caught me completely off guard was his Palestine-Israel stance, dayum. Couple minutes before the 2-hour mark. He goes on to justify it by saying there's eight times as many Palestinians or something like that. But the death count is also about that many times higher on their side. Lost some authenticity in my book for that. But I'm admittedly not too well educated on the topic.

[@MCR1565]

Excellent as always. Thank you for taking the time and sharing! 🙏💖🙏

[@meganturner1456]

What a perfect compliment at the end and TRULY TRULY well-deserved. So enjoyed this absolutely BRILLIANT conversation. You are all holding western civilization on your shoulders. Please don’t get tired!!

[@markbarrett50]

The film was on Netflix briefly, at least here in Canada, and I watched it there. It is very well done.

[@Musicdudeyoutub]

Guest suggestions: Thomas Sowell Chris Hedges

[@sirellyn4391]

And James Lindsay. Perhaps the most relevant person to listen to today.

[@raymondharris3200]

Thomas Sowell would be an awesome choice.

[@teresab1341]

I truly enjoyed your conversation! Thank you both!

[@PhilipPaxton]

I'm always gob smacked by how compelling these long form interviews of Peterson's are. This one is no different.