No Spark on $150 Locked-Up Barn Find "Dirt Bike." Will It Run? (Part 3)

[@2vintage]

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[@nathanpalmer2086]

I woud say its deffinitly the stator get a new one dude .

[@bradleyflood5437]

New stator

[@jonmelvin5682]

I think your points are grounded

[@broganmcnamara4192]

Go look at some diagrams, CMS has them and they’ve got parts too. Stator is probably dead my guy.

[@erikvandijk1195]

Couple months ago i had the same issue with a different bike, turn out that the guy had change his points and he forgot a tiny plastic washer between the wire from the points to the condensor. The bike come to me with also no spark

[@briank6894]

Hey! You basically found the problem without even knowing it.. The one section of the stator where the copper windings go around the core that bolts to the stator plate is likely your problem.. The copper windings likely have shorted to the core that bolts to the stator plate.. You can test this by removing that section from the stator plate and test with you meter. Ground one lead of your meter to the core and the other lead to the wire that connects to the copper windings.. If you get a beep or a short with that test then you know that the copper windings have shorted to the core.. Hopefully that makes sense.. Theres two stator sections.. One is for charging and one is for ignition.. The one closer to the front of the bike as your facing it is for ignition.. One towards the back is for charging.. You can also do a resistance test and see what you get.. But my bet is the the windings have shorted to the core.. Good luck! You vids have come along ways.. Nice job!

[@peterimmington549]

Brian K exactly.

[@abcanimal]

Never even though about that but yeah if its shorted, no spark.

[@benshore7357]

You could swap the wire going to the windings . Use the one for the lighting circuit on ignition. My .02 worth

[@backyardbangers1012]

Exactly!

[@dancando6391]

Is this a common failure? I would have never thought of that. Could you unwind it and put a new insulator on it and rewind it? If parts are unavailable or just for testing purposes?

[@ianallen2]

When you replaced the coil and kicking it over and not getting a spark, I was thinking it has to be the ground. Well done for checking and spotting the problem. Electrics are difficult on vehicles and hard to diagnose. I know it lowers your belief in the bike, but hang on in there and you will have a good bike at the end.

[@snurre5031]

Got sooo hyped when i saw u uploaded

[@user-wj9xq7ig2v]

You're a machine man. Nothing like wrenching on a machine in the freezing. Everything hurts way more when you bang your hand on something. This is dedication!

[@paulstyring1015]

Looks like the whole of the points are grounding out.Should be some form of insulating plastic washer/cap where the single wire connects to the points.I would also replace the points and condenser .

[@jessemurray1757]

i was thinking the same thing. That or on the points.

[@paulmillson9204]

thats the problem have made the same mistake my self

[@colinculverwell325]

You could be nearly there with solving the issue. Check the windings on the source coil are not shorting to earth (ground). Also points have small fibre insulation that the moving part of the points run on. If these wear they can short. You didn't need to take the top end off to pull the fly wheel. Impact gun to remove the nut and stop the fly wheel from moving using a spanner on the puller. Good luck.

[@raleighconquest6504]

We work on old hit&mis motors and old Maytag motors and on most of them you have to isolate the points and stator from the frame we use gaskit material and small neopreme washers or in cases have used faucet washers just anything to isolate them from the frame

[@peterp.6249]

Instead of removing the jug and bracing the connecting rod you can pop out the plug and jam rope or paracord down inside. It will stop the piston without damage.

[@eugenesbackyardrepair4593]

Heres tip to remove next fly wheel without removing head. 3 word visegrip chain wrench. Would lock around fly wheel so can put up against peg to hold it. I've done it lots of times.

[@that_400ex_guy7]

You have thought me so many things about working on machines that I thought I’d never need but now that I’m starting to work on my own I need most of what you explain. And I also enjoy learning which I didn’t even know was possible.

[@robertharkness163]

Try taking the points off the stator and testing them with your meter. As someone else said the hinged part should be isolated from the fixed part. So one led to the body and the other to the wire points open you should have no continuity and if you do the nylon isolater must be buggered. 👍 Keep going bud wish I had your enthusiasm to get out and do some of my own projects!

[@chrisjones7869]

Sometimes you just have to walk away from it for awhile. Good job. I would have blew an o ring after the new coil didn't work, filled the tank with tanerite, and sent it to the moon. Great patience man. God bless

[@2vintage]

Hahah i was getting close to doing that

[@cheeseeater1349]

Hell of a deal you stole it she deserves to get restored True classic there for u keep it going 💯💪🏿

[@boomer005]

Keep em coming Brother! Absolutely Love the Vids! Don't Stop!

[@jes.8314]

I always found some soft rope and put it down the spark plug hole to lock up the motor. When done just pull the rope out. I never had a issue

[@thomashaas2929]

Yup rope in plug hole. Don't disassemble top end.

[@skyb8687]

Huh mind blown genius never thought of that.thanks

[@robertharkness163]

Works for me most of the time. Starter cord is ideal.

[@jes.8314]

@@robertharkness163 yes sir! Starter cord.. pull rope is perfect

[@RealDadOfAmerica]

Same for doing valve springs on a old v8

[@Bittydog1956]

I used to push rope in the cylinder through the spark plug hole to stop the piston keep the piston above the ports it worked fine. Saves taken off the head. 👍🦦

[@edwardweisenburg16]

I had a similar situation where the previous owner totally submerged the vehicle while it was running. Energy electrical component was shorted out. Sometimes you just have to throw a bunch of parts at it. Replace the points and coil and stater. Good luck bro. Love your content.

[@jmooney2880]

You’ll get it figured out I’m sure. Love your videos dude!

[@brucesizemore739]

Change points and condenser. Dont give up on it. Your close to figuring it out.

[@mikescott6647]

Agreed, my favorite part to watch is the challenge

[@mikescott6647]

And then the hard fought victory

[@Libertymongoose420]

That's what I've been saying since part one hopefully he will idk why he didn't yet

[@michaelholt1929]

I agree the thing has been sitting it does seem to be grounded out or the points are bad go ahead and replace them and see if it works

[@ryanjones1211]

Hey bud, they sell a Mr. Heater for a propane tank. Works great with a fan behind it. We got a two face heater and it heats up our 2 car garage wonderful. Very well worth the investment

[@matth5552]

this bike was my first true love had a 77, i hope you can restore that old girl she could be a museum piece, just saying but when i was a kid i had to replace the points all the time sanding them would prolong but not for long i remember every time i went mudding with it i would have this problem also be sure they are set the correct distance apart upon opening good luck buddy fingers crossed for ya

[@BIKERDUDE240]

Don't give up! you can do it!

[@stopibeastin]

Let’s go bro never new it was stater and coil for fire

[@HEAVYMETALJSTYLES]

Yeah man, had exactly the same issue on my ts 400, resoldered all the wires, no spark, new coil no spark, the cap was faulty, replaced that no spark, the plug was also faulty, replaced that no spark, then just replaced the lead wires completely resoldered again, then got spark. Persistence bro good luck!

[@jasonpaupst9771]

Really need a good burning wood stove in that shop

[@xGrAnTuRiSmOx1]

its a house garage..

[@jasonpaupst9771]

Not sure what the laws are in that area but as long as the garage isn't attached to the house you could run a wood stove

[@lunchbox2784]

@Ram The Man Or you could just do it anyway. It’s not like building officials are hiding in the bushes. You could even build a “mobile” wood stove that you partially disassemble and store away when not in use. Have the chimney go through a window or doorway. Just make sure the combustibles are stored outside.

[@M.TTT.]

@@jasonpaupst9771 yeah or a cheap used kerosene heater or two, got one for 10 bucks, but doesn't throw off nearly as much as a good wood stove.

[@marcelcanuck]

give it time he's still a young buck , once he gets a few arthritic joints in him he'll get a good heat scores ...haha

[@roryrice8742]

My 78 DT 250 got submerged in river water and has no spark. I hope you figure it out so I can get mine going.

[@jethro83100]

Do not give up my brother. Love the channel

[@blainefrehner7758]

I had this exact same problem a couple years ago on a dt 100 and I was working on it for whole year trying to figure out the problem, I bought new points and a new coil. It turned out that my brand new coil that I bought was bad.

[@2vintage]

Ahh i bet that could be the problem. Eveyrhing else checks out on it. I will swap the coil again and see if I get spark! Thank you!

[@snoopysrc]

@@2vintage check your ground wire on the frame

[@blainefrehner7758]

One thing you can try- put your voltage tester in the coil where the spark plug plugs in and see if you get a reading when you kick it over. I believe it should read dc volts not ac but im not 100% sure

[@johnnyjohnson5361]

I ran into the same problem on a boat motor with points. The condenser wire was grounding out to the body of the distributor. Who ever replaced the points and condenser pinched the wire shorting out both of them. So I replaced with new points and condenser and the boat fired right up.

[@mattmonteith2175]

U make extra work for your self I pull flywheel s off all the time I never ever had to pull a head

[@stevehill4615]

As others have posted it appears the ignition stator coil is "shorting" to ground, have you considered maybe the stator coils are "wet" within the windings which is causing the problem (from your earlier vids you suspected the generator had been full of water) which you might be able to solve by taking the stator assembly off and putting in a low temp. oven (I wouldn't go hotter than 50 C° for fear of melting insulation) for a few hours to drive any moisture from the stator assembly and try that as a cheap way of maybe solving the problem.

[@jestingravely2922]

Dang and I was whining about it being 15 degrees here lol I been looking forward to this video thank you for the content

[@ke0qe]

Hmm, I am having the same problem. Thanks to your hard work I now have an understanding of where to begin. The pulley puller is now my challenge. Charles

[@bobbymckinney1264]

Good video I'm having spark issues with my gz250 street bike also I feel your pain buddy,good luck I know you'll get it

[@Stephen033]

After you get this bike figured out, it would be really cool to watch you do a build series on a 1998 350 warrior and put a 2005 350 raptor engine in it, all you gotta do is get a stator from a warrior engine. You can find a 98 or so warrior with no engine for really cheap, it would be cool to see you build one. I miss my 98 Warrior, I wish I wouldn't have ever got rid of it a long time ago but I had to cause I was in a bad car wreck and I had to sell it to pay bills. But it's all good lol, gotta do what I gotta do I guess lol. Hope you are havin a great and blessed day. Hope you are stayin warm up there. It's cold here in northern Indiana.

[@kjdgarage]

I know this is an older video, but what I do what I need to stop the flywheel from turning I feed a length of a rope through the spark plug hole, which blocks the piston from coming up. When you’re done, simply pull the rope back out, usually easier than taking the whole cylinder off.

[@jeffmower909]

cannot figure out why you would have to remove the head and cylinder to remove the fly wheel?

[@dubaitacker6347]

dude you need to buy a nylon locking plug, they thread dont the sparkplug hole to stop piston travel so you can remove clutches

[@11GalleryATV]

Do a search on eBay for "Yamaha dt250 stator" and you will see a couple for sale with hi res photos ...

[@milesmerwin2247]

If your condenser is shorted out, you would have constant continuity. Disconnect the condenser and see if the problem goes away and then replace it if it does.

[@2008greiner]

The points are self isolating if you remove wire from points and check the points without anything hooked up if it don't disconnect it the shaft on the points shorting

[@Bullwinkle39]

This is the line I was thinking, check the isolators are there and working

[@abcanimal]

Keep at it brother. You got this!

[@Leon-vp3vb]

Reach out to mustie1, master of fixing old-school rust bucket junks.

[@LiveCosmicMartian]

I friggin love @mustie1

[@2vintage]

I watch all his videos!

[@notjoecheez1]

@@2vintage yeah mustie1 is a master at points, well he’s basically a master at it all. Definitely reach out to him

[@johnwoods3061]

"Hey guys and how's it going?"

[@bubbie3533]

@@johnwoods3061 "Thanks for hanging out and watching me wrench on rusty junk."

[@kernelbadness]

Ohm stator and coil to see if they are in spec. Clean points with sand paper.

[@jestingravely2922]

Someone help this guy out he is a good mechanic every one needs some help here and there love to c that bike up and running

[@averagecarguy420]

Old points and condensers can cause a lot of strange stuff. I think you should defenitely get new points and a condenser. Could solve all your issues!

[@Skubadav69]

Try replacing the points and condenser your almost there don’t give up man you got this!

[@lukewagner8272]

Switch coil for headlight for spark

[@lyndellraphael6072]

Try putting lighting coil on spark side leave off lighting coil

[@wingsofrelipton9245]

2vintage that cylinder gasket is OEM bro lol

[@tylercapece138]

I'd say the stator is shot. If it's anything like a Polaris, they throw all kinds of fits when they short out.

[@thebenthermit4067]

I think that you took the "learning" route of figuring out what happens when a condenser goes bad

[@Coltonm8994]

Great video as always

[@danielgordon7727]

Change the condenser

[@saeedmohammed8162]

Check the voltage on the coil.. i had a 91 blaster and i was getting no spark even though I went through 3 coils. Then I bought a good coil that went with the specs and it got spark

[@anthonyreeves3205]

Had this problem!!!! Primary coil is shorting due to age,heat, corrosion. Change that part and it will run!!!!!!!😀

[@mychannel2189DIY]

Make your own wiring harness for ignition system

[@olsonjamie]

I would change the mag coil if you can use the lighting coil as a mag coil new points and condenser any points I’ve seen have some sort of isolator between case attachment and point itself

[@benjaminthethird1261]

Me and my dad watch your videos all the time and he just bought me a 2003 Yamaha yz250 for my 14th birthday and we just finished rebuilding the engine

[@downsouth701]

Sounds like somebody removed killed switch which is causing system to ground out all the time

[@mattmonteith2175]

Tip u have a hot wire and the grounded to the coil.

[@randomprecisionmotors3130]

When you were turning the engine with the drill @10:24 it did make a nice healthy blue spark...don't knoiw how you had it configured to do that but it did spark for a couple turns...

[@2vintage]

yeah it was when I had the coil grounded to metal that wasn't the frame.

[@whs386]

Condenser on a bike that old is probably failing. Inexpensive fix, also can get new points as a bundle typically.

[@JeffPutchinski]

How far you have come, young man......Congrats

[@978twostrokegarage2]

😎🤙🏻morning Joe

[@shartne]

Did you try a new condenser and points first? That should be the first thing when you try to get spark to eliminate the possibility that the condenser a points are foobar.Get a battery operated impact like a Milwaukee impact and you wont have to take the head off to take that nut off it will impact it so fast it will spin right off. Or if you cannot afford one put a cotton rope down the spark plug hole and it will stop the piston from coming all the way to the top. The points might be missing the plastic insulator between the pivit point and the mount. Try some new points and condenser or even a used set if it fits. The points may be missing some insulators or the condenser may be bad on the inside and shorting out. Condenser is probably full of rust and grounding out. The magneto might be grounding out to the frame or something. Sometimes guys buy a junk bike for parts. hmm its shorting out somewhere. Wipe some Dielectric Grease between the coil and the frame to keep moisture out and so it wont rust so quickly and keep its ground contact longer. I really hope you fix this bike now its really being a pain but makes great video for us to watch the drama. turn this drama into a Saga.

[@josephhoover7175]

Did you check the rectifier as well?

[@rustbucketrevival3186]

Sweet bike man 👍👍👍

[@joshbannon8989]

It sounds like your kill switch is on. That switch kills it at the coil. That’s what the ground wire is for on the coil to shut the motor down. When kill switch is open it shuts off motor. When it’s closed it runs. Try a jumping wire in that connector. Then check spark?

[@davea9215]

Good morning. Only thought I have now is to install a kill switch on the bike. At one time I had a honda 125 dirk bike and my thinking was, well if there wasn't a kill switch installed then how can that not installed kill switch keep my bike from starting, but it did, once I installed the kill switch she fired right up. Good luck my friend, I'm waiting in anticipation for your next video on this bike showing you riding it.

[@waynehartt16]

mustie 1 had the same problem in one of his videos and it was the points, the insulation/ bushing was wore causing the points to ground out

[@RealDadOfAmerica]

Do you remember what video? I really need to see it.

[@waynehartt16]

@@RealDadOfAmerica i left mustie1 a message on his last video to see if he remembers. I know it was a old pull start he was working on but cant remember which one.

[@noahspyroandotherthings6181]

I love your channel keep doing the things you do I learn so much and you always get me to come back to watch your videos

[@gtisid]

i’m guessing the igniter coil or points are knackered , hope it’s the points as they are cheap the coil isn’t

[@navyseabee7245]

Bubba Louie always use a new spark plug when checking for spark how do you know that old plug is any good could be a bad plug it's just a good practice to always use a new plug

[@kalenhenrickson2994]

You should buy a few snowmobiles to fix up again !!!

[@thehondacats5253]

you could take the spark plug out and put some rope down the hole to stop the engine from turning to get the flywheel nut loose would save the time taking the top end apart

[@cameroncassel994]

Check world of powersports the diagram shows a cdi hooked in the main wiring harness. They also sell new lead wires for the stator. Just a thought is all. The diagrams are very easy to read there. Hope that helps.

[@sandmanbub]

Take the g clip off of the movable arm of the contact points and check for wear where the insulation is. Check for anything that might be conducting electricity to the contact where it's not supposed to or just replace the points. Electrolytic condensers/capacitors do go bad even when sitting on shelves. Shelf life is usually about 20 years. The electrolyte dries up and the caps short out.

[@whistlindixiesmallengine2085]

The way that flywheel looks I'm surprised it did that much clean them points change that condenser

[@phillipturner959]

If you put an old leather shoe lace in the plug hole it will jam the piston so the motor won’t turn.

[@skyb8687]

Joe I've been watching your channel since day 1,love the content and appreciate the effort in making each one,but please take the advice of a fan and fellow bike guy,plz just go to a pawn shop and invest in a kerosene shop heater and use the work bench.you will get sick doing things in the freezer. Also working in the cold burns you out on this stuff,because things don't work as well at negative 30.you are young and your knees and back feel fine now but its kinda like not running a engine without oil ,its doing damage breh

[@payton5759]

I've been there, ready to sell the problematic bike. In my case, it was a Kawasaki G5 that ran great for a few months, then got to a point it would only run for about 20 minutes, then the plug fouled. After plenty of thinking and mild research, I found out it needed new rings (my first ever 2 stroke, and 2nd ever motorcycle). You'll get it, it'll just hit when you least expect it.

[@Stephen033]

I would be checking that pile of wires and all of the wires that run next to the frame and also check the junction box wires by the air box, there has to be a wire touching the frame somewhere. I would also change the condenser and change the coil again.

[@eugenesbackyardrepair4593]

But points are supposed to ground out. When they open supposed to unground wire that goes to coil and coil will fire. I think you need to look up points diagram online. Stator just energizes coil points unground coil so it will fire

[@chris001979]

Are the cardboard washers intact the stator and ponts should have these little cardboard or fiberglass washers if they are bad or gone you will ground out

[@onekick]

Points need to be Isolated with plastic on the hinge or something like that. Sounds like mostly the points are the problem

[@markflint3709]

Maybe change of stator? Will there be a part 4 be mint to see the running

[@springy-2112]

Ok , just a guess but points should have a plastic insulator between the wire connector and the metal parts .. If the insulator is missing or the connector is the wrong side of the insulator it'll short it all to ground? .. (I'm not an electronics guy) but have seen many no spark situations after points installed wrong .. Also the flywheel should come off with an impact wrench with the bike in gear and your foot on the rear brake .. good luck buddy!! I would try new points and condenser just to rule them out .. Before looking at a new stator.. hope it's simple ..👍🏻☮❤

[@UPTHETOWN]

Not a quick fix but you need to go through the wiring on this bike, someone butchered it at some point. There isn't a side stand safety switch on it is there?

[@jamieelliott5205]

You will get there mate

[@finster7582]

You HAD spark at the coil, i would think THATS where ur problem is..try putting rubber washers (isolators) n see what happens..also- get a MANUAL !!! LOL.. u cant lose when u have a manual ! 😃👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@project4stroke876]

ur too under rated

[@coloradodirtbike5930]

They sell a special tool by tusk called a "engine lockup" tool, it threads into the top spark plug hole on the cylinder head, letting you remove the fly wheel easy without needing to take off the whole cylinder like you did.

[@2vintage]

Oh cool I didn't know they made that tool. I'll have to look that one up! Thanks!

[@coloradodirtbike5930]

@@2vintage yea they are like $10 and work great.

[@stephendoyle6873]

All u need is a tool for taking off an oil filter from a car put it on the flywheel to hold it when you're losing the nut it cheaper than buying a tool just to taking the flywheel off 1 bike and it's easier then stripping the top end down

[@gearhed78]

If you can't find a stator for a reasonable price. Take a micrometer and guage the thickness of the copper wire. You should be able to order some copper wire coated specially to use in stator windings. Unwind the stator copper and measure the length. If you wrap that stator with the same amount of windings and length, you can fix it. Just remember to scrape off the coating from the ends of the wire before making any connections to the existing points leads. YOU CAN DO IT! Or, just buy another stator,lol.

[@parhamracing6593]

Sounds funny but have you tried to unhook the kill switch completely?

[@SurRon_OffRoad]

new ignition stator.......and get rid of all the old loom so your just left with what you need

[@elservisBlaz]

Bravo majstore svaka čast Pratim te samo nastavi

[@redneckasmr-xd1gg]

if u just want to fire it up u can rig a 12v battery and a car or truck coil up to it and it will have spark as long as the points open and close i have done this meny times, also check the isolator shims

[@LGKvideos]

I think that the windings have shorted out on that side. it is worth checking the wiring diagram if all the wires are connected right in the stator. My grandpa had a bike (Jawa 350) sitting for 30 years because of something like this, also went on with replacing coils and shit that didn't help. Ended up being one of the contacts being connected up wrong.

[@gearhed78]

I think your right. I commented that he should check continuity between one coil end and the ground. Stators are wound with copper coated to insulate each winding from the next and protect it from the core metal. He's very close.