No, the Six Days of Creation Were NOT Millions of Years Long

No, the six days of creation were NOT millions of years long. In this presentation, Ken Ham reveals why secularists get so offended by the idea of a literal six-day creation despite it being the best explanation for the universe’s origin.
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[@Sundayschoolnetwork]

"And there was evening, and there was morning the first day. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day." Yes, amen. If it were anywhere else in scripture there'd be no question!

[@adelinomorte7421]

***for God there are no time as for a SPIRIT time has no meaning, is irrelevant, reason why the writers not knowing it wrote that way, we have to know how to read in any language past or present language, even so you must go to school to learn the language you speak, read or write in order to be able to communicate.***

[@technicianbis5250-ig1zd]

@@adelinomorte7421 The Bible is God's word, the writers of scripture were guided by Holy Spirit when writing the scriptures. Genesis is about creation on Earth so the days being 24 hrs long is correct.

[@adelinomorte7421]

@@technicianbis5250-ig1zd ***some one told you that, but how can you be sure? yes you can be sure, meditate, dig for the truth, study the atributs of God, let God speak to you to inspire you, only God can do it no body else, for me it was a life time search, but wen you get it, there are not anymore doubts , you know by yourself .***

[@felipekennedy3135]

I have seen them say millions of years ago, and i just stopped there, for they were calling God a liar to His face, and that i cannot accept. Shalom.

[@richardbarry04553]

I used to believe all that as a student of natural sciences … but since being born again through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ when I see that millions of years stuff now I just tune it out. I know it’s nonsense that’s being regurgitated. It was amazing visiting the Grand Canyon a couple of years ago with my kids and knowing the Biblical account while seeing all these park service signs talking about how many billions of years ago each layer is from and all. It was pretty ridiculous seeing all that but I was glad my kids saw through that nonsense too.

[@felipekennedy3135]

Amen Friend..

[@scienceandbibleresearch]

@@richardbarry04553: Do you know that Christian scientist Dr. Andrew Snelling of ICR already confirmed the presence of more than 500 million years of nuclear decay in the Grand Canyon that you visited? They’ve known this for the last 19 years.

[@scienceandbibleresearch]

@@richardbarry04553 : Do you know that Christian scientist Dr. Andrew Snelling of ICR already confirmed the presence of more than 500 million years of nuclear decay in the Grand Canyon that you visited? They've known this for the last 19 years.

[@scienceandbibleresearch]

@@richardbarry04553 : Do you know that Christian scientists already confirmed the presence of more than 500 million years of nuclear decay in the Grand Canyon you visited. They've known this for 19 years.

[@beestoe993]

In my view the problem is the fact that the millions of years fabrication has been push as fact so hard for so long that most people have no idea that it is in fact a fabrication, NOT fact. The truth is that we have all been sold a bill of goods for decades that in many instances is downright preposterous and far from the infallible wisdom that we have been led to believe. I am so grateful for the Creation scientists who are finally setting the record straight and getting the truth about these things out there for us to learn. May God bless them in their endeavors.

[@adelinomorte7421]

***beestoe993 finnaly "the Creation scientists reach the conclusion that those 6000 years was a fabrication and got everything straight that Creation of the earth was billions years ago and life after that, my congratulations for their discovery of the truth.***

[@isedie]

I once heard someone say that Gid made man not a baby. He made man fully grown with wisdom knowledge, have you ever thought about Gods ability to create the universe with age also? I felt like that’s a fair statement.

[@hongotedesco8931]

Ok, it's all fantasy. God did not create anything, because we have zero evidence for god.

[@Feraeond]

Yes, that is an especially relevant consideration in the realm of starlight already being visible on earth for the majority of the stars in the universe, if one assumes that interpreting rainbows from an astral mass spectrometer delivers dependable distance conclusions for millions and billions of light years. I'm not at all persuaded of such color interpretations given that they cannot be confirmed by any other means of determination in deep space. Not to mention the incongruent discrepancies in assumed distance results that can occur between two or more stars of the same galaxy, which should instead put them in galaxy of far different distances. There is also the hypothetical possibility that before emitted light reflects off of a mirror its speed from source to whatever material it reaches is instant. Because the only way the speed of light has ever been measured is via reflective mechanized processes. So all that to say, despite there being no such thing as a newborn star ever observed as newborn, it may not be in fact necessary for God to have dragged forth billions of light years of emitted starlight travel to make those we can see now visible to us from the beginning. There are abundant reasons not to consider astral spectrometry a settled dependable science.

[@tco13v]

That's more than a fair statement- it actually contends that God, if likened to an artist is using a brush that paints matter and space-time!

[@aaronadamson7463]

@Feraeond while I personally don't buy into the theory of instant light reflection, there are a slew of other possible natural reasons why the light would be here outside of its expected age. There are a lot of forces that could account for the starlight, and when physicists look back, they can point to a time and place (essentially) when matter exploded into existence (through God's actions). Who is to say that God didn't create the stars close to earth, and they continued to cascade light backwards as they accelerated away? Or that the passage of time was different for these other parts of the universe than the earths, since space and time are relative? These are just some of my personal musings, I don't have enough of a science background to know whether that is possible or not, but frankly there are plenty of alternative possibilities out there.

[@Feraeond]

@aaronadamson7463 Amen, brother. Openness to what God reveals and letting it remain an unknown for whatever cannot thus far be established as fact is the key to understanding science properly. By the way, even experiments supposedly proving time relative are making assumptions when their molecular clocks sent through the supercollider alter electron exchange rates based on how fast they are going. That could just as easily be a response of molecular activity to speed like the excitement of molecules under heat. It doesn't necessarily mean time flows differently for faster matter than slower matter. Throughout history mankind has presented alternative myths about universal origins and cause/effect concepts. In every era our arrogance thought we reached the correct conclusions compared to predecessors. But the only religio-historical doctrine that has surpassed any conflicting claims that arose to discredit its truth was the scriptures of the Bible. Which is why you don't see atheists so ardently railing against any other opposing doctrine. This is the only one that knows better.

[@wausauaaron7737]

It doesn’t get any better than this as far as an explanation on what the Bible says. Thank you, Ken.

[@loyalmay9054]

I believe in six ordinary days of creation. I am a pastor who preaches from the authority of Scripture. Praise God for your faithfulness in ministry.

[@hongotedesco8931]

Then you believe incorrectly...common around here. Understand that this is not a discussion, it's like discussing whether "2+2=4". There is no "authority" in scripture when it comes to science. You should marvel at all we have learned from science over the past 2k years. Imagine what we'll have learned if we're around another billion years...

[@Dandelion0962]

That’s degrading, just as calling 1 1st AllMightY Pure Living Spirit manually he or she is.

[@oldsalty8562]

As a pastor you should know that the Hebrew word for day is defined as a period of time with a set beginning and a set end. Day and days are the same Hebrew word. Prove me wrong.

[@bobreese4807]

@@oldsalty8562 And the evening and morning were the ________ day

[@technicianbis5250-ig1zd]

​@@hongotedesco8931 What do you base your belief on?

[@MangoMike316]

👍❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️👍 six hearts for six days.

[@felipekennedy3135]

I like that, God Bless Friend.

[@peterwiebewall5608]

Greetings dearly beloved in the name of Jesus Christ our Saviour and Lord Amen!

[@Feraeond]

Great summary as always, Mr. Ham! Your message only becomes more vital as time goes along and I'm increasingly inclined to put Answers in Genesis as my sole beneficiary once I fall asleep. In response to the supposed gaps in New Testament genealogies, I'd like to mention that I did a deep dive into this a couple of months ago with a couple of other very scholarly Bible zealots because this is arguably the most apparent theological contradiction in scripture that has not been widely reconciled, and our digging surfaced some compelling evidence for the possibility that gaps/discrepancies between Matthew and Luke come down to Matthew mistranslating Mary's father as her husband, assuming they were both named Joseph. Hence the specified 14 generations from captivity in Babylon to Jesus only amounting to 13 by a simple count in the text when Joseph is translated as the husband rather than father like two different preserved Hebrew copies of Matthew from middle ages Italy record it. So either Matthew miscounted on the third set of 14 generations or there is an unlisted gap of one generation there. The fact that Luke's genealogy leads in a very different direction for the Joseph of that list, much more clearly specified as the supposed father of Jesus, leads me toward the likelihood that Matthew's Joseph is indeed Mary's father, not husband. This would then have the thematic nature of Matthew describing Jesus as the rightful divine King being offset by His human ancestry through the mother's line, and Luke's theme of Jesus as a human being offset by ancestry of His royal lineage from David through His adoptive father's line. It was such a fascinating deep dive and if anyone is interested, I'd be happy to discuss it further.

[@BrooksStyle]

You inspire me!

[@carlcantrell4781]

Excellent!

[@scienceandbibleresearch]

I agree, the 6 days were not millions of years long because Moses intended it to be a model for the work week, not a scientific statement about the age of the earth.

[@Vlabar]

If the church would return to remembering the Sabbath each week. It may do a better job of remembering what it points back to (the creation week) and what it points to (his coming kingdom).

[@Jesus_paid_it_all]

I rest on Jesus Christ, who also happened to break the sabbath (John 5:5-18)!

[@richardbarry04553]

Mark 2:27: “And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:”

[@phaxad]

Do you ever go out of your place on the Sabbath? Ever read Exodus 16?

[@midknight3350]

Too bad many people are over when the Sabbath was whether it was Saturday or Sunday. To me, I just say WHO CARES?! If someone only has Tuesday off in the week, let them find a way to fellowship with other believers on Tuesday. That is your Sabbath. Sheesh, I hate it when everyone gets caught up on when is the Sabbath rather than the why do we have a Sabbath?

[@randysummerhays4168]

For Christ has already accomplished the purpose for which the law was given as a result all who believe in him are made right with God Romans 10 for New Living Translation

[@nickroberts-xf7oq]

Amen Brother Ken ! 📖 🌧 🌈 ✝️ 🕊

[@michaelgibbons]

Thanks for the clarity, Ken. Nobel Prize winner, George Wald, once indicated that there were only two possibilities for the origin of life on Earth: Biblical Creation and evolution. Since "spontaneous generation" was disproved 150 years ago, that leaves only Biblical Creation. We cannot accept that on philosophical grounds (personal beliefs) therefore we believe in spontaneous generation (evolution). (Not "objective" science!)

[@eugenelombard960]

We have the same problem with the Red sea crossing. Instead of accepting that the parting of the sea was a MIRACLE, we tend to look for a natural explanation. Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. With God ANYTHING is possible. We either fully believe it or fully reject it outright. There is no compromise whatsoever.😊

[@hongotedesco8931]

Or, instead of accepting that the parting of the read sea was miracle, we can just say it was a made up story?

[@eugenelombard960]

​@@hongotedesco8931 Correct. As I have stated, we either believe it through faith or reject it as a fable.😊

[@byrondickens]

Or a sane person could read it as metaphor and allegory....

[@eugenelombard960]

​@@byrondickens Now that you mention it, I just love the following metaphor: ‭Matthew 13:30 KJV‬ Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. ## I wonder how an insane person would interpret this?

[@adelinomorte7421]

*** so ! beleiving that way you never need to compromise right? oh!!! yes much easier that way hein!!! ***

[@rafaelgarza6562]

I choose to believe the Word of God in its entirety.

[@jarrilaurila]

But do you follow it 100 percent?

[@chachadodds5860]

I love how passionate this man is about the infallibility of God's WORD. If our esteemed theologians are touting their unbelief of the creation story, no wonder so many of the younger generations don't believe the very words that God dictated to Moses, letter by letter. My heart is grieved at the very thought. I'm so grateful for the foundation in God's Word, given to me as a child. You all can spout your pseudo-intellectual arguments, but it's a child-like faith that God seeks, not some lofty intellectual, scientific mumbo-jumbo. The real debate is a matter of the heart, and that determines your eternal destiny.

[@hongotedesco8931]

You can be passionate about anything....and still be dead wrong. That's what Ham is, dead wrong. None of what he's saying is true. It's really shameful.

[@adelinomorte7421]

chachadodds5860 ***God is a Spirit, do you accept it? do you know what a spirit is? Well, I assume you know, for a spirit the time and space has no meaning, so it can be anywhere and at anytime even inside of us. You as a human being know the battles we endure due to our soul where the Spirit of God may reside and our material body accept or reject. That acceptance or rejection is what religions are all about, a believe is a personal affair in between any individual and his creator, GOD. Different religions can dialog, cooperate and join, at mutual consent but not impose as it is trespassing, we all have to be aware of our individual rights, our freedom to accept or reject the spirit of God, wen It is within us, it is harmonic with our creator, it is very good.***

[@hongotedesco8931]

@@adelinomorte7421 Adelino, you're just inventing the notion of "spirit". Nobody has really seen anything of the sort. And if you say "well, it's a personal affair", then you're not adding anything interesting to the conversation. All you're saying is "we're free to make up whatever we want...so there". Pointless.

[@Feraeond]

John 1:18 [18] No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.

[@hongotedesco8931]

@@Feraeond Yeah, I don't think anybody is going to see any kind of god (or son) any time soon...You have a better chance of seeing Harvey, a 6ft white rabbit.

[@YECBIB]

If something just came from God speaking, He has no problem doing exactly what He says. 💯

[@haroldbertrand852]

1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: 21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

[@philipfontaine8964]

Ken, you open the video by stating what you BELIEVE to be six literal earth days for all creation, not what you KNOW to be. Question.., The Bible describes that in the beginning the earth was formless and void. How can there be a 24 hour earth rotation period, when something is empty and has yet to be formed into any shape? How were all the elements that God created, placed in order to make a 24 hour rotation that we now currently observe? Also scripture mentions the heavens prior to the formless and empty earth, is this an indication that the heavens were set in place first? Could it possibly be that the first two days of creation were longer than you BELIEVE them to be? What human can answer the multitude of questions that can be brought forward from the Genesis account with such assertion as to claim certainty over it's chronological order. Respectfully submitted. Please respond, I would like to hear your opinion, thank you

[@tigers456]

This appears to be a sane and logical argument. GOOD LUCK WITH GETTING AN ANSWER FROM KEN. I wonder how much money this guy has made from his platforms.

[@davidbaxter9864]

What about the literal three days and three nights between the crucifixion and the resurrection? So many, including Ariel Ministries, are still insisting on a Friday crucifixion and saying any part of a day counts as a full day. Do we take God's word on this matter as fact or do we bend it to fit tradition? What is your view?

[@midknight3350]

I heard this somewhere by Voddie Bauchman. The way the Jews measured days back then was basically if the sun had not dipped below the horizon, it still counts as 1 day. Any length of time between dusk and dawn was 1 night. It could be 4 AM to us and still be considered night because the sun hadn't come up yet. Basically, we today measure days by 24 hour periods. The Jews back then looked up at the sun and said "yep, still day time."

[@mattbrook-lee7732]

Where does it say 3 days and 3 nights?

[@evangelinerodriguez8927]

Amen 🙏

[@daviddo658]

Our pastor showed us this in confirmation class, goodness, ten years ago. I truly believe God used this to cultivate my love His word and help me see it as the ultimate authority.

[@stuartobrien78]

Some people think the thief on the cross was saved! You can tell a true Christian by the answer to this question!

[@tedhansen3846]

Amen

[@joykeebler1916]

- the word(s) in as too meaning in both the world(s) and that as one day :the description as in and of both -as has been written so in and of Genesis chapter 2 :and the worl d s as to u nderstanding the ages of the ear t (h)

[@michaelwilliamson7626]

100000000% Agree!!!!!!

[@haroldbertrand852]

I love it! I love it! I love it! I will always stick with the truth of God's word. And a literal six days of creation. On the seventh day He rested. Praise God.

[@briansoltis9423]

When Jesus healed and raised the dead it was instantaneous. With God all things are possible!!!

[@cliftonjarvis8010]

I believe every word of the Bible.

[@Quint-ib4nf]

It says to kill certain people.

[@hongotedesco8931]

Now that's a darn shame...

[@SachelleCambria]

@@hongotedesco8931Get behind us satan.

[@SachelleCambria]

Me too.

[@Feraeond]

@hongotedesco8931 Why do you consider that a shame? People who don't believe the Bible would miss out on such a reliable sense of meaning in life if there were no Bible adherents to bash.

[@WhistlingDixiePottery]

A 6,000-year-old earth doesn't bother me. I try and filter all truth from the Bible. I've always leaned more on history than science in my interest in my study's at school. Ty for the work you do Ken Ham! I've been able to defend the Faith so much better after finding your ministry. May God continue to bless you and you work. Trying to teach my daughter Answers in Genisis has been a huge help in raising her to both understand biblical truth and authority.

[@dorahngarman3188]

Mr Ham, your comment about the Gap Theory suggested you don't believe in it, but what you failed to do was explain why you discredit it. Please explain in Genesis chapter 1 verse 1 to verse 2 how the Earth became empty and void?? We know that God would not have created the Earth in that way... So if God didn't do it, who did? And how? And why?......

[@Feraeond]

You yourself fail to explain why we know God wouldn't first make the earth void, to be fair.

[@dorahngarman3188]

@@Feraeond I didn't explain why because the answer is obvious if you understand God's attributes. God is absolutely perfect, which would mean he would not ever create anything that is imperfect. Whatever comes for from the hand of God is going to perform exactly what God created it to perform. No where in Scripture does the Bible ever suggest that God created anything with flaws....hence the statements later on in Genesis where the Bible says God created this and that and "It was good"... Anyone who would believe that a perfect God would create something that is imperfect only means you don't understand the nature of who he is.

[@Feraeond]

@dorahngarman3188 If you are referring to the Creator as the Bible describes Him, there is no jump to be made from the fact that God is perfect to the idea that He would never make something imperfect. Perfection is not synonymous with flawlessness scripturally, but rather something more akin to completeness in a process. For example, the king of Tyre, presumably Satan, is described as the signet of perfection until unrighteousness was found in him, but Jesus is described as made perfect through suffering. Paul encourages the Philippians that he is sure He who began a good work in them will be faithful to perfect it until the day of His appearing. So just because God is complete from eternity doesn't automatically entail that what He makes will also be that way in finite space. But the major snuck premise of your claim is that the newly formed earth was flawed while a void ball of water and whatever else it may have contained upon first materializing. By whose definition of flawed? God did not call the formless earth good at the time, but does that mean it was flawed or can we still allow that God had it at precisely the state He wanted at that point in its process? What about the delineation between good and very good in later creation? If it was all perfect because it was all from His hand then how could any of it be more good than good? Thank you for taking the time to discuss with me, brother. I trust we both love God with a great fervor and are doing our best to understand Him more perfectly with every day He has given us to grow. Blessings and peace to you always. Ezekiel 28:12 [12] “Son of man, raise a lamentation over the king of Tyre, and say to him, Thus says the Lord GOD: “You were the signet of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. Hebrews 2:10 [10] For it was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the founder of their salvation perfect through suffering. Philippians 1:6 [6] For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.

[@philwashington3494]

Many thanks Ken, I was aware of this decades ago and I’m very grateful to you for broadcasting this information again. Do people understand that the Hebrew day is divided into 4 equal parts of 6 hours equaling 12 hours of Darkness and 12 hours of Daylight ergo - Evening and Morning, the 1st day. I have always followed AIG for decades. God Bless All of You. English Phil 🇺🇸👀🙏

[@teejay9395]

I’m curious why evening and morning isn’t used regarding the 7th day. And also what “generations” and “day” mean in Gen 2:4

[@scienceandbibleresearch]

Good point. It’s because Moses didn’t write the creation account to be a scientific statement, but a model for the week.

[@Moist._Robot]

To help you out, Genesis 2:4 is the first verse of the second creation story.

[@scienceandbibleresearch]

@@Moist._Robot : Yes I know and Moses is summarizing what he wrote in chapter 1 in Gen. 2:4.

[@Feraeond]

The usage of day in Genesis 2, "...in the day that..." is actually confirming contrast to its different usage in chapter one. Chapter 2's usage is an indeterminate amount of time like "in my grandmother's day" and chapter one's usage is a literal day just like wherever used similarly in the rest of the Bible. Moses knew how to specify a literal day as well as a nonliteral day.

[@Moist._Robot]

@@scienceandbibleresearch Lol. Moses didn’t exist. These two creation myths are by the Priestly source and the Jahwest source. Feel free to google it and you’ll see that I’m right.

[@chamberlainmiller2991]

I would be very interested in a debate on this topic between you and Dr. John Lennox.

[@christianbohls9880]

No wonder people are losing faith.

[@AndHence]

Genesis specified 24 hour days by including the morning and evening clarifications.

[@AbadaleRavnic]

Why did god create the sun on the 4th day if there was already light that he created on the 1st day?

[@natmanprime4295]

wow

[@YECBIB]

If Fod spoke everything into existence and took millions or billions of years, He would have had to talk realllly slllloooww.✝️

[@captarmour]

The "Beginning" of Genesis 1:1 is a time period BEFORE the start of the First Day. The six days were when the earth was prepared for life and life forms created. Even if the 6 days were literal days, the "heavens and earth" are older.

[@SoundKilterStudio]

Man it is so nice and enjoyable to find someone who actually preaches-teaches the Word of God based on the actual Word! What a great, creative idea 🙄😂. And I love all the videos I have watched of yours and am subscribed to the youtube channel. But I do have a question. And Im being 100% honest, sincere and humble by asking it. I fully agree that so much brainwashing secular ideology, that is totally not scriptural, has been allowed into the church teachings and philosophy that have greatly damaged the church and its following. Wouldn't it be fair to add to this list an Earth along with 8 other planets circling the sun, a neverending, expanding universe full of infinite planets, galaxies...etc.? I understand that the Bible doesn't list every single detail of creation but I would think that God would have mentioned something relating to it? Like how God clearly states that He made TWO greater lights which He placed in the firmament, one to rule the day and one to rule the night. He did NOT say He created 1 great light to rule the day and that also bounces its light off another object to rule the night. Again, I am not asking this to be controversial. I just really believe in truly following the Bible and not adding to or take away from its Word. And I firmly believe, based on scripture, logic and common sense, that the lies and brainwashing go much further and deeper than most want to accept or believe. Anyways, thank you for ALL you do sir in spreading the Truth of the Word and our Lord. God bless you.

[@Dandelion0962]

1st All MightY Power, all knowing needs not days to create what thine spirit can create with 1 breath .

[@docbrown7513]

The same hermeneutic disallows Jesus being resurrected as the Bible depicts. All three issues necessary to make resurrection after 3 days require 'day' to be understood in the 3 ways it is used in the first versus of the Bible. (the period not darkness, and 1 rotation, and light). This solves the issue of Jesus being in the tomb for a little over 24 hours and it being called 3 days. Then there are the issues with Paleo Hebrew and the semantic range... making it more like a pre-incarnate gospel rhema.

[@felipekennedy3135]

i personally believe there are two books in the bible that Satan hates the most GENISIS AND APOCALIPSE; Genisis because it describes his condemnation, and Apocalipse because it describes his destruction, and these Mercenaries who calls themselves pastors but in fact are wolves in sheeps clothing are deceiving the naive. Shalom.

[@JohnDemore-xn7ro]

An ordinary day to God is 24 quadrillion years

[@KefawKefaw]

Guys, I just wanna say, believe it or not, you can believe in old earth and still be bible believing christian. The view of old earth is completely compatible with the bible because the creation story in genesis is classified as semi-poetic historical narrative meaning that it is not a clear cut retelling of the past but rather a poetic means of telling something that happened in the past. That claim he made at the beginning was very sly because he implied that if we dont take the word of God literally, we are adding to Gods perfect word but I would argue that he isn't respecting the authors literary style which was inspired by the holy spirit. And believe me, Id love to believe in young earth because it just feels so much cooler to believe in a God who made the earth in 6 days but there is so much evidence for evolution over billions of years, it doesnt disagree with scripture, and it doesnt undermine that God made all this, simply using this mechanism of evolution over a long time.

[@Feraeond]

Romans 5:12-14 Death in Adam, Life in Christ [12] Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned-[13] for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. [14] Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come. If billions of years of death and suffering before sin was in the world is not controverting fundamental theology of scripture, then what would qualify in your book?

[@Feraeond]

I would like to challenge you to separate yourself from the sayings of liberal theologians inventing claims about literary styles in order to tell you what is true or not in scripture. Also examine that abundance of evidence for evolution you claim exists for yourself, not just because the labcoat consensus cult says it exists. Look into the radiometric dating assumptions using superposition and relative age theory as their baselines that were already decided back in the 1800's before any of these dating theories had the technology to test them. It is all smoke and mirrors to persuade you that they know better than you ever could and therefore you should just take their word for it. That is what any cult of falsehood relies upon to keep its following.

[@mattbrook-lee7732]

​@@Feraeondots a letter. He is using language that they will understand

[@mashah1085]

So how is it we can see galaxies billions of light-years away?

[@phaxad]

We see with our eyes. My car has over 90,000 miles on it. But my car isn't 90,000 years old.

[@maxhagenauer24]

​@@phaxad How is that related at all? What kind of analogy is that? I think his point is that because galaxies are billions of light years away, they are billions of years old, meaning the universe must obviously be at least billions of years old.

[@mbfrommb3699]

There are a couple of theories but the question is really irrelevant since we weren't there. Nowhere does it say that GOD is limited by space, time and matter. Why not just accept that when it says He created the stars they were created with visible light from earth? The problem with Christians today is that they have no foundation of the framework of Scripture. For example, in Genesis 1-2 the Bible creates a biblical worldview whether we fully understand it or not isn't as important as understanding it exists. Creation was a literal 24 hours we see this in Exodus 20 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. Second, even if the day was a longer period of time the maximum would be 1 day =1000 years. See in Genesis 2 it says 15 Then the Lord God took [d]the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” Now we know Adam ate, so did he die in the subsequent 24 hour period? No. So was GOD a liar? No. 5 So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died. Adam never lived to the next "day" past year 1000 2 Peter 3: 8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. So from year 1- year 930 Adam lived (almost to the end of Day 1) Abraham lived about year 2000 (end of Day 2), David year 3000 (end of Day 3). The Destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple (70 AD year 4000 end of Day 4) the year 2070-2075 (depending on who you talk to) year 6000 (end of Day 6) +1000 years the reign of Jesus, aka the Messianic age, aka the Millennial Kingdom. Early Christian writings: Barnabas, AD First Century “Therefore, children, in six days, or in six thousand years, all the prophecies will be fulfilled. Then it says, ‘He rested on the seventh day.’ This signifies at the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus, He will destroy the Antichrist, judge the ungodly, and change the sun, moon, and stars. Then He will truly rest during the Millennial reign, which is the seventh day.” Epistle of Barnabas 15:7-9 Commodianus, AD 240 “We will be immortal when the six thousand years are completed.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 35 “Resurrection of the body will be when six thousand years are completed, and after the one thousand years, the world will come to an end.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 80 Victorinus, AD 240 “Satan will be bound until the thousand years are finished; that is, after the sixth day.” Commentary on Revelation 20.1-3 Methodius, AD 290 “In the seventh millennium we will be immortal and truly celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.” Ten Virgins 9.1 We have biblical calendars found in the Dead Se Scroll caves. See my study here which is made for skeptics kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaCmhmWbhqZ9ZsU We even see Jews with Judiaism from the Old Testament see the biblical framework as 6000 year + 1000 years. www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/607585/jewish/Significance-of-the-year-6000.htm So we are in the biblical year 5,949 or so give or take 4 years. Now either 2020 was the last Jubilee before the end of the age or 2025 is the last Jubilee. Either way we are entering the last section of time on the biblical calendar. Now Jesus reduces the timeframe of His return in Matthew 24, to about 2050 AD at the latest because if He waits to the year 2075AD or year 6000 we would have already caused our own self-extinction. Matthew 24:21-22. Now in this last section of time (2024-2050) there are over 500 prophecies predicted to come to pass. We are seeing many already on the horix\zon. So by understanding the biblical framework and that these prophesies are on the horizon at the specific time in history they were to occur, it allows us to see the truth of the past, even if we can't understand everything about it. At least we can have a framework in how it might have happened. I hope this helps. Take care.

[@wcupples01]

@@phaxad This comment wins the Charles Darwin Internet of the Day Award!

[@wcupples01]

@@mbfrommb3699 How do you know the bible is correct, you weren't there when it was written. How do you know God exists, you've never seen him. How do you know the world existed 100 years ago? You weren't there. See how idiotic that argument is? Hearing Ken say "How do you know, you weren't there" in a video, among a lot of other crazy ideas is what proved to me that Christianity is nothing more than a fairy tale like Santa and the Tooth Fairy.

[@robertjohnsontaylor3187]

The word translated as day comes from the Hebrew word “Yom” which means period, it’s not a specific length of time, it’s used in the Old Testament on number of occasions for varying periods of time, but most often for a day. However I always wonder why it would take God so long, it could have been femto-seconds, with the evening & morning indicating a definite beginning and end.

[@salonsarwar4557]

As regards YOM, it seems you did not even listen to what he said. He explains about YOM very clearly. Which part did you not understand?

[@chesedwalnut3062]

Yom is contextually defined as evening to morning.

[@robertjohnsontaylor3187]

Evening to morning is not 24s it’s just night. Also the sun was not there till later in creation history. So what is a day? My comment on creation clearly implies that the power of God is boundless. The whole of scripture, hangs or falls on the very first verse, which could be considered a chapter title “in the begging God created the Heavens and the Earth”. So what is your complaint.

[@jstreutker]

​@@robertjohnsontaylor3187Which Bible translation are you quoting these exact three words from: "evening to morning"?

[@chesedwalnut3062]

@@robertjohnsontaylor3187 It isn't evening to morning, it is evening and morning. "Evening and Morning" is a colloquialism for the 24hr day. You can appeal to the miraculous, at the expense of what the Bible clearly says. Popular science always acts like it was there when the earth began to exist. But whatever they affirm contradict what the Bible plainly says. We accept the Bible or live in dillusion. BTW, the text doesn't necessarily say the sun wasn't there before the earth was created though. The word used there is "asah" which can also mean assign. In a sense, the sun's light wasn't used until the 4th day. That's where I differ from Ken Ham.

[@davidrobinson7950]

Then why does Gen. 2 vs 4 call 7 days, 1 day?

[@Feraeond]

The usage of day in Genesis 2, "...in the day that..." is actually confirming contrast to its different usage in chapter one. Chapter 2's usage is an indeterminate amount of time like "in my grandmother's day" and chapter one's usage is a literal day just like wherever used similarly in the rest of the Bible. Moses knew how to specify a literal day as well as a nonliteral day.

[@timothykeith1367]

In one moment Jesus rose from the dead. Jesus didn't gradually become less dead. The work of God in creation is also not gradualism.

[@StudentDad-mc3pu]

Although all the evidence says it is.

[@jameslowry1]

I can understand unbelievers telling us the earth is millions of years old but when true Christians start telling us this too then I would say that either they are not true Christians or they don't know or believe what their Bible's teach?

[@Moist._Robot]

These are more educated Christian’s who understand the science and realise it’s undeniable.

[@scienceandbibleresearch]

Or they are true Christians and they just interpret it differently than fallible Ken Ham.

[@jameslowry1]

YES AGREED but that is the whole point of what Ken was trying to say for example there are parts of scripture that are meant to be taken literally and also parts that were not but I don't believe there is anything in the early chapters of Genesis that is not meant to be taken literally

[@scienceandbibleresearch]

@@jameslowry1 : The creation narrative is literal in the sense that Moses' intention was to provide a model for the work-week. He didn't write it that way so we can extrapolate earth's age. Do you believe a serpent literally spoke to Eve? That's what Moses literally wrote.

[@jameslowry1]

It was not a serpent but the Devil that was speaking to eve although what the serpent looked like and whether or not it had the power of speech pre fall we are not told because it could have been and YES I do take the scripture literally most of the time and make no apology for that even if you think I am a fool for doing so because the only parts of scripture I don't take literally are the parts that are clear from the context that are not meant to be taken literally and I don't have a problem with that approach even if you do?

[@AbelbenAdam]

'' In the beginning when G-d was creating...'' So... how long was the day before the Sun was created? That's right, you don't know. And why would you.

[@johngregory5424]

Chalk layers 100s of feet deep, composed of minute skeletons in one day?

[@joyobrien4749]

I know this is a serious message but the humor in it really made my day! Thank you.....

[@user-pv1ki1sw9z]

Evening ערב , morning בוקר ,

[@kateescarlet9693]

As long as there are young Earth creationists, there can be no Jesus

[@user-pv1ki1sw9z]

A new fay in jowism starts when the sun sat down and apeering 3 stars , day. יום start at the evning , time זמן,

[@MrBoxhead19]

Honest question here...if God made Adam as an adult (he obviously wasn't a child who can't take care of himself) is there a possibility that God created the universe as a 2 million year old universe?

[@hongotedesco8931]

Sure, but to be correct, you'd say "a 13.8B year old looking universe" since that's what we observe. Or you could also say "god created everything 5 seconds ago: humans of every age with fake memories, fake fossils, etc". See where that gets you? Nowhere...

[@Feraeond]

The James Webb telescope by the same logic of observation now suggests the universe being four times that old. Similar to how DNA sequencing of humans and their supposed closest ancestor now shows only about 85% similarity, not 98%. And by current evolutionary models the assumed time required to make that random leap would be about 69 billion years. Gotta keep up with the science as it develops, not stick with dogmatic numbers!

[@hongotedesco8931]

@@Feraeond And? That's just science at work. We change/correct things as we get new data/evidence. Although I don't know what you're referring to when you say "that random leap".

[@Thatdude126]

Ok now what about fossils? We’ve found other things besides fossils that have been dated millions of years old. And I think the reason they don’t press on this is because age of the universe or the world has nothing to do with your salvation and following Christ. If it does someone please correct me.

[@lukasmakarios4998]

This is not a hill (of doctrine) to fight and die on. Your salvation depends on Jesus, not Moses' metaphors used to tell pre-scientific people the story of creation.

[@ancataut7891]

Fossils and other real things are about reality. Genesis was written by some primitive people, who swore with their hand on the phallus and it reflects their level of understanding. At that time people had no idea about the fact that the Sun gives us light, they didn't know what the stars were, they didn't know what the Sun and the Moon were... Let's stop pretending that we are idiots....

[@Feraeond]

There are no fossils that can date older than a theoretical 100k years due to the half-life cycle of carbon dating reaching an undetectable depletion level.

[@Thatdude126]

@@Feraeond the oldest fossils dates to 3.5 billion years, Cyanobacteria.

[@Feraeond]

@ancataut7891 They didn't know the sun gives light? That's awfully presumptuous to denigrate the intellectual potential of humans possessing far fresher genes than the mutated and depleted pool of the current time. The only advantage we have over them is the technological and psychological advancements made thanks to a progression of record-keeping and passed on knowledge from what was discovered prior. A simple glance at the effects of inbreeding on mental deficiency and disease prevalence indicates a far more capable time of faculties for the human species prior to gene pool depletion.

[@TickedOffPriest]

Well said Mr. Ham.

[@Dandelion0962]

And your Jesus Christ sent the sinful sins exorcisted from others to the herd of swines bathing in the water.

[@TickedOffPriest]

@@Dandelion0962 And beef is from cows. What is your point?

[@Dandelion0962]

@@TickedOffPriest didn’t read the ham is from swines biblical fact before you criminally felon sinfully deleted those biblical facts .

[@Dandelion0962]

@@TickedOffPriest Bathing swines in a pool of water are where Y.C. Sent the exorcystic demon spirits to, from others.

[@Dandelion0962]

And truth is what it is 100%. Even in your biblical gospels, lukewarm sells souls religiously short of the mark.

[@graphguy]

I say that the argument is a distraction. Wasting your time. Juneau’s tells us what our job is and it is not trying to argue on a moot point.

[@christinefarrall9391]

No. Its a 24 hour day. On day 1 and it is 24 hours on day 2. And its 24 hours on day 3. And its a 24 hour day on the 4th day ect ect.

[@jeffreylucia2499]

Clearly the dating methods are flawed.

[@wmh6958]

I believe in the Bible and yom means millions of years

[@JRPLawyeress1]

If our children believe the creation account in Genesis is a myth, they’ll believe the whole Bible is a myth. It’s either inspired by God or it’s just a book. K through 12 and the universities want to make sure our kids believe God is a myth.

[@hongotedesco8931]

Well, that's what it is, a myth. It's not up for discussion. This is the consensus of all unbiased biblical scholars.

[@DavidBWilliams-td9vm]

I don't, know of anyone saying million years but 6000 years as a day in our time equals 1000 years in God's time so when God says he created the earth in 6 days that actually means 6000 years in our time and a 1000 years of peace for life on earth to grow

[@Feraeond]

I think you have it backward. One of our days is like 1000 years to God. So 6,000 of our years is actually 2,190,000 God-years. :P

[@donhaddix3770]

gen 1; 1-3 is before the 6 days.

[@khchoi2012]

Here is a mathematical, logical argument I've just thought of, today. It never entered my mind before. Let's hypothesise the creation account for each day as 1000 years or 1 million years. So 6 days of 1000 years would be 6000 years. Then on the 7th day, God rested, which was 1000 years. But God created Adam and Eve on the 6th day (6th period of 1000 years, say the last day of that period). Then, on the "8th day" (period of 1000 years), Adam and Eve would be at least minimum of 1002 years old after God rested for 1000 years. But later in Genesis 5, it says Adam lived for 930 years. And Seth lived for 912 years and so on. Do we now not take those numbers literally? If we take the age of Adam, Seth, Enosh as literal (930, 912 and 905), then Adam should've lived through the God's rest day on the 7th day as 1 day or at most as 100 years. Even 1 day as 100 years isn't a plausible argument, it's because Adam had Seth when he was 130 and Adam and Eve had Cain and Abel before Seth. So Adam and Eve would've been younger than 130 years old. The Bible also says Adam and Eve sinned before they had any children, So Adam and Eve would've been even younger than 100 years old or something. Adam couldn't have roamed around the earth or Eden on the 7th day as 1000 years or 1 million or 1 billion years before the fall. The key here is that God rested on the 7th day. God doesn't need resting, does he? That day is there to give us a real timeline that there was only 1 day gap after God created Adam and Eve and as a pattern for the rhythm of life with 7 days a week. So the only plausible explanation of the creation account is literally one day at a time. Otherwise, the later account in Genesis wouldn't make any sense or be nullified.

[@PhilipHood-du1wk]

More or less. Time and space are different in heaven if they really exist there at all.

[@daveyjuice7710]

Whoever eats from the forbidden tree will surely die on that day. Adam indeed did at 930 proving that the days were indeed a thousand years. It days in the first book.

[@all_bets_on_Ganesh]

How does it take God a day to make the universe? Like on the first day he created the heavens and the Earth, so let’s say 6 hours to make the Earth. What was it that took 6 hours? It would make more sense if a timeless, all powerful, all knowing being created the world in an instant. I could also wrap my head around a god who put natural processes in place and let a billion years carry it forward. But 6-12 hours to make the Earth? It just feels wrong does it not?

[@bleachigo990]

It makes sense either way. If God is all powerful then He should be able to make things in whatever time frame He chooses. He’s the Creator, so it’s His choice. I speculate that He chose 24 hour periods so He could intimately observe His creation as He brought it to life.

[@glennspreeman1634]

Interesting how infintesimal specks think they can and need to limit the power of the Almighty all powerful!!

[@j.mullis418]

It's going to get worse😣

[@wcupples01]

In the beginning, man created God.

[@peterharris6604]

Beat around the bush ,Earth 1 rotation = 1 day. That’s it.

[@megavideopowermegavideopow8657]

I Believe both could be true let me explain Genesis says that Earth was without form and void that could be the old earth scientists are talking about ,but also true that GOD made all of Creation and Adam and Eve and is 100% true that the Earth as we know it isn't that old remember GOD told Adam & Eve to fruitful and multiply to"replenish the EARTH 🌏

[@markenge9348]

What does the word "day" mean in Genesis 2:17?

[@fouracrefamily9801]

The original Hebrew word in this verse is "yome" meaning literal 24 hour day, same as Genesis 1

[@markenge9348]

@@fouracrefamily9801 why did Adam live 930 years after he ate of the tree? He should have died within 24 hours.

[@santoss330]

Think about it...if "Day" means not 24 hrs. How we be able to take our medication if the Doctor say..take it 3x a day.😅

[@TrevorWilliams-fq8mg]

God invented the term "a day". But God invented that word before mankind existed. Much, much later mankind invented the term " a day" as meaning 24 hours, or 1 revolution of the earth. So God's idea of a day is different to our idea of a day.

[@ketesafewyalefemedia2378]

Bless you, the man of God, Mr. Kam, and answer everything in Genesis ministry. God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? ( Numbers 23:19) so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it. ( ISAIAH 55:11) Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. ( Matthew 24:35 ) But Peter and the apostles answering said, "It is necessary to obey God rather than men. ( Acts 5:29 )

[@brandonmartin1587]

Then why didn’t Adam die the day he ate the fruit? , on that day you will die, not begin to die and linger for 900 years

[@Feraeond]

The Hebrew word for "die" there more literally translates as "dying die" in English. Just as Adam died spiritually as soon as he had disobeyed, yet the physical death was delayed, so anyone accepting Christ's redemption from that curse is made alive immediately in their spirit but with delay in the redemption of the body. John 5:24 [24] Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. Romans 8:23 [23] And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 1 Corinthians 15:22 [22] For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 1 Corinthians 15:53-55 [53] For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. [54] When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” [55] “O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?”

[@danielweaver3361]

And " day" also doesn't always mean day. I can't understand how you justify reinterpreting die but not day. Seems arbitrary.

[@Feraeond]

There are two Hebrew words for death used in a row for the occasion of Genesis 2:17. "Mowd tamut" more literally translates to "dying die" or "assuredly die" depending on different translation takes. So that is where the notion of an immediate spiritual death and gradual physical death is sourced.

[@danielweaver3361]

I'm sorry, I can't read Hebrew. Is that usage consistent throughout the old testament?

[@larrybedouin2921]

6 x 24 hour days

[@scienceandbibleresearch]

Evening to morning is 12 hours (Jhn 11:9), not 24.

[@larrybedouin2921]

@@scienceandbibleresearch Exodus 20:8-11

[@larrybedouin2921]

@@scienceandbibleresearch Any part of a day constitutes a day in the Hebraic mindset.

[@scienceandbibleresearch]

@@larrybedouin2921 : Yes I agree but evening to morning isn’t 24 hours.

[@Landis_Grant]

Ken Ham gets everything correct except he doesn’t believe in the Biblical flat stationary Earth with an overhead firmament truth as expounded in Genesis Chapter 1.

[@Disciple793]

The reason why the majority of church leaders, pastors, apologists, seminary professors don't take a stand on six literal days is not due to fallibility of scriptures or some taboo subject to avoid. Genesis obviously is an important book because it details the beginning of the universe, God as creator and the fall of man. But the quandary of exactly how old the six days of creation will not save anyone. The gospel saves. And pastors in particular are going to center their sermons around the gospel message. The real purpose of the six-day creation account was to let the Israelites know after they left Egypt who the real God of universe was (Yahweh) as well as for the generations to come to learn about.

[@aaronadamson7463]

@Disciple793 this seems to be making the same argument that only the gospels matter, because they lay out the message of salvation. Nothing else matters except salvation. But if that is the case, why did God give us so much more than just Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John? I would argue that the integrity of all Scripture should be defended, because if we can just pick and choose what parts of Scripture we like and through out the parts of Scripture we don't like, then why should we trust any of it?

[@Disciple793]

@@aaronadamson7463 Your missing the point of my post. Of course, the rest of Scripture is important. Ken Ham was asking the question as to why church leaders, pastors, professors rarely speak on the six-day creation account. And I gave my answer. Sermons for the most part are going to centered around the gospel message. But with Ken Ham the same can be said. What are the majority of his presentations about? The age of the universe. Sorry for the confusion. Now I have edited my poste for clarification. Happy Easter!

[@Feraeond]

Happy Easter brothers! Christ and His redemptive work is indisputably the central theme of all of earth's history. The work that saved us from the death brought about by Adam when he sinned and death came by that sin. To misunderstand that concept as something merely poetic or literary for the sake of feeling closer to God, as opposed to being the literal reality, is where the outlook of most of the church now is in regard to scripture. And looking at the history of the decades since New Evangelicalism first arose in the 1950's and ceded the territory of ancient history to a labcoat consensus cult, it is easy to trace the submission if scripture interpretation to the claims of secular institutions back to that. If whatever secular experts claim about ancient history is proven science and whatever the Bible contradicts it with is misinterpretation, then it should be no surprise when the resurrection of Christ itself is scoffed at as impossible because the only supernatural thing that ever happened was the spontaneous and immediate explosion of the universe into existence from some unknown cause which for sure wasn't a supernatural entity. Pastors in the hope of saving more people have been bowing to whatever seculars claim about science even when it is unverifiable historical claims, and letting fester unhindered the boast that the Bible is not to be taken seriously any time it describes something other than naturalistic material processes. So how much longer will we keep pounding away at the same drum of the basic gospel message absent the relevance of its backstory being taken seriously before we accept that we were wrong as a church to bring nature worship back into tolerance adulterating the body of Christ? May your joy become more complete with each passing day closer to when He appears again!

[@kennethswenson6214]

Okay here's the deal, I worked in Public Health Microbiology for almost 40 years, and have been involved in The Laity for about 20. A scientist is willing to admit that they are wrong, if research proves another way of thinking. And now the BIG question; if somehow, someone could conclusively prove that you were wrong, would you Ken Ham admit it. Because if you won't, then you are not peddling "truth" my friend.

[@beaupierrebondurant5651]

Six literal days of creation is what the Bible teaches.period.

[@beaupierrebondurant5651]

The universe is 6138 years old.

[@christopheespic]

... And 227 days.

[@beaupierrebondurant5651]

@@christopheespic nope.

[@christopheespic]

@@beaupierrebondurant5651 prove me wrong, please.

[@beaupierrebondurant5651]

@@christopheespic too easy. Nisan corresponds roughly with our april...

[@christopheespic]

@@beaupierrebondurant5651 lol.... And what about the 6138 years old? A reference to the Seiko watch? 🙄

[@bobreese4807]

How long did it take JESUS to make LOTS of bread & fishes???

[@gregjones2217]

Never happened at all.

[@pn3678]

Explain why you say it never happened

[@emiliemcrae9908]

I feel like Ken Ham is just about the only voice out there who continues to stand on God’s Word, to keep pointing us back to the accuracy and inerrancy of Scripture when it comes to the book of Genesis and Creation. What’s wrong with so many Christians today who aren’t getting it???

[@Disciple793]

How about William Lane Craig, Sean Mcdowell, James White, Michael Brown, Ray Comfort, Mike Winger, John Macarthur, and Frank Turek just name a few. (Romans 12:6-8) "We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us ect...teaching, serving, prophesying, encouraging, leading." The purpose of Genesis answers the existential questions of life. Is there a God? Who created the universe? Who created mankind? What is sin? Doctrines of justification, atonement, depravity, wrath, grace and sovereignty are also addressed. The Israelites coming out of Egypt to whom Genesis was written to were not trying to figure out the age of the earth. They wanted to know is Yahweh true the God. No offense to Ken Ham. The Gospel saves. It is the foundation of Christianity. (1 Corinthians 15:17)

[@aaronadamson7463]

@Disciple793 sure, but if you can say that one part of the scripture is wrong, why should we trust any of it? If God indeed lied about how he created the earth in the very beginning, then why are we to believe Him when He says this is how you approach me, through my Son? It is paramount that we trust the Bible fully. But this shouldn't just be a blind faith either. Ken is equipping us to defend the faith against those who would subtly chip away at it.

[@Feraeond]

@Disciple793 Aside from the observable sciences pointing to millions of years being the least likely of all historical posits, as of that alone is not enough reason to dismiss such unbiblical claims, the fundamentals of theology must also be reinterpreted regarding death and suffering. Romans 5:12-14 Death in Adam, Life in Christ [12] Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned-[13] for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. [14] Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come. If there were millions of years of death and suffering before Adam brought sin into the world and death through sin, then Jesus no longer deals with physical death as a negative consequence, only spiritual death. Ok then. Try telling anyone who lost a son or daughter to cancer that it is a natural aspect of what God called good in creating everything. And if the chaotic, tortured nature of evolutionary processes are all so good, why should we look forward to an afterlife which will not have any more physical death and suffering? Everyone knows in their soul that physical death and suffering are part of the curse, not part of what God called good from the start. So is it any wonder that atheists who start from an evolutionary position of origin scoff at the idea of a good God? I don't disagree that people who ignore or even accept evolutionary precepts can still believe and espouse the work of Jesus Christ. They just miss a significant aspect of what it is for and adulterate their faith just as Israel often did with Baal. A bonus consideration to challenge you with. Would Jesus have said God made Adam and Eve in the beginning if it is true that all of human history has been a sliver of time compared to all else that transpired since the actual beginning? Matthew 19:4-5 [4] He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, [5] and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?

[@papermason]

In the light of eternity what is time? Even if the big bang were true, (which I don't believe) it was faster than the speed of light. A 24 hour day compared to a fraction of a second is a very long time. I believe that we are created by God. Full stop. I am young earth creationist. Full stop.

[@timhaley3459]

Using the Bible, a sincere Bible reader can figure out how long a "creative" day is. Of course, you need an accurate chronological dating of mankind to establish when the first man named Adam was created, which has been seen as 4026 B.C.E., which was at the very end of the 6th "creative" day.(Gen 1:28-31) A sincere Bible reader needs a pivotal date or an established date to go forwards and backwards, such as the fall of ancient Babylon on October 5/6, 539 B.C.E.(or some may choose the death of Augustus Caesar on August 17, 14 C.E.). From this starting point, it is possible to go back to mankind's beginning, say, starting at 539 B.C.E., and adding about one year for the Israelites to be back in Jerusalem or in 537 B.C.E. (due to logistics and travel time of covering some 500 miles on foot, from Babylon to Israel, after King Cyrus announcement in 538 B.C.E. for all Jews who wanted to go to Judah, 2 Chron 36:22, 23; Ezra 1). Now go back 70 years, as Jeremiah 25:11 states of Judah being desolated that length of time, and we arrive at 607 B.C.E., for the destruction of Jerusalem.(see also Dan 9:2) Then backwards 390 years and we reach when Israel was broken into two kingdoms in 997 B.C.E.(1 Kings 11:26-39; Eze 4:5) Go back 37 years to the start of the temple construction in 1034 B.C.E.(1 Kings 6:1, or Solomon's 4th year of reign) Form here, go back 479 years (or "the 480th year", or 479 years, plus a few months) and we arrive at 1513 B.C.E. when the nation of Israel were released from Egyptian slavery.(Ex 12:14, 51) From here, go back 430 years, to the year 1943 B.C.E., when Abraham came into the land of Egypt.(Gen 12:10; Ex 12:40, 41) And from here, go back 427 years to the year of the Global Flood in 2370 B.C.E.(going through Shem's lineage at Genesis 11, covering the birth of Arpachshad (+2), Shelah (+35), Eber (+30), Peleg (+34), Reu (+30), Serug (+32), Nahor (+30), Terah (+29), to the death of Terah at 205 years and Abraham was 75 years old). Now, add 1,656 years from the Global Deluge in 2370 B.C.E. to the creation of Adam and we arrive at 4,026 B.C.E.(Gen 5) At Genesis 2:1-3, it says: "Thus the heavens (or our atmosphere, see Gen 1:6-8) and the earth and everything in them were completed (over the course of six "creative" days, see Ex 31:17). And by the seventh day (just at the moment Adam and Eve were created), God had completed the work that he had been doing," "and he began to rest on the seventh day from all his work that he had been doing. And God went on to bless the seventh day and to declare it sacred, for on it God has been resting from all the work that he has created, all that he purposed to make." Now travel forward some 4,000 years to the time of the apostle Paul who spoke of the 7th "creative" (or "rest day") day as still ongoing, who wrote concerning the nation of Israel that was released from Egyptian slavery, as having no faith in God (see Ps 95:8-11), whose name is Jehovah (see Isa 12:2, KJV), causing him to destroy them (Num 14:28, 29; 1 Cor 10:5, 10; Jude 5), so that Paul said: "For who heard and yet provoked him (Jehovah God) to bitter anger ? Was it not, in fact, all those who went out of Egypt under Moses ? Moreover, with whom did God become disgusted for 40 years ? Was it not with those who sinned, whose dead bodies fell in the wilderness ? And to whom did he swear that they would not enter into his rest ? Was it not to those who acted disobediently ? So we see that they could not enter in because of lack of faith."(Heb 3:16-19) Now Paul says: "Therefore, since a promise of entering into his rest remains (or the 7th "creative" day or "rest day" was still ongoing some 4,000 years after it began), let us be on guard for fear someone among you seems to fall short of it. For we have also had the good news declared to us, just as they had; but the word that they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened." "For we who have exercised faith do ENTER into the rest, just as he has said: “So I swore in my anger, ‘They will not enter into my rest,’” although his works were finished from the founding of the world. For in one place he has said of the seventh day as follows: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works,” and here again he says: “They will not enter into my rest.”(Gen 2:1, 2) Paul continues: "So there remains a sabbath-rest for the people of God. For the man who has entered into God’s rest has also rested from his own works, just as God did from his own."(Heb 4:1-5, 9) Paul established that the 7th "creative" day was still continuing some 4,000 years later. Jehovah's 7th "rest day" would keep going yet further, for it has been some 2,000 years since Paul penned those words and another 1,000 years, called Jesus Millennial reign (Rev 20:4-6), are yet to be, that will bring to completion of Jehovah's original purpose of a paradise earth for "meek" ones, so that some 7,000 years will have passed that will complete Jehovah's "sabbath day" or 7th "creative" day.(Gen 1:28-31; Ps 37:11, 29; Matt 5:5) Note: the number "seven" at times means that which is complete, finished in Jehovah's eyes, with the number "seven" being found almost 60 times in the Bible "book" of Revelation.(see Rev 15:1) And Jehovah did NOT create the sun and moon on the 4th "creative" day, but rather was readily seen for the first time. At Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew words bara', meaning "absolutely to create" (and found 54 times in the Bible) is used, while at Genesis 1:16, the Hebrew word 'asah is used (and found 2640 times in the Bible), that means "to make or do" in a wide range of applications. So, the sun and moon were ' made ' visible on the 4th "creative" day, if someone was standing on the earth, able to see them more clearly, with the atmosphere (Hebrew raqia, Gen 1:6-8, also called "the heavens") being "cleared up" of debris and dust and ash, like cleaning a dusty windshield in order to see clearly down the road.

[@beefsupreme4671]

I just left a church where the pastors would not say that the world was created in 6 days. I had been going there for years I was just convicted that they claim the Bible is the word of God but disregard it when they don’t like what it says. How can they teach this is beyond me.

[@hongotedesco8931]

It's just about interpretation. Hermeneutics is a complex topic, especially for books written 2k years ago. Not to mention the fact that it's not the word of god, it's the word of man, many men in fact; mostly anonymous. And by no means should one use the bible as a science textbook...it isn't.

[@beefsupreme4671]

@@hongotedesco8931 where the Bible is not clear interpretation is a fair discussion. Where the Bible is very clear it is not a question of interpretation. The Bible is very clear that God created in 6 days. This is obviously true. No one would ever question this if they didn’t think that science says something else. The fact that you should believe God above what men say is absolute. The further fact that science has no way of measuring age and radiometric dates are based on pure assumption make questioning Gods word even more foolish.

[@beefsupreme4671]

@@hongotedesco8931 the Bible is 66 books written by 40 men over thousands of years with a message that comes from beyond time. It is the word of God, and denying this is to choose to spend eternity in punishment.

[@hongotedesco8931]

@@beefsupreme4671 Sorry, but no. I understand the bible is very clear "that God created in 6 days", and it's wrong. It's obviously false. And it's obviously false if you have any common sense at all; it's just a story that ancient people made up. Sheesh.

[@beefsupreme4671]

@@hongotedesco8931 what is the obvious story is millions and billions of years. The only evidence for vast ages is the belief of people that were not there.

[@janbisselink3402]

God made sun and moon on the 4th day……. Where did the first 3 days come from without sun and moon?

[@BirdieSenpai]

Small brain: It can't be six days because scientists say millions of years. Tall brain: It can't be millions of years because Scripture says six days.

[@christopheespic]

Real working brain: it can't be six days because scientists say BILLIONS of years 🙄.

[@swamprat22]

@@christopheespic god cant be wrong, confusing, or a liar, all of which man can be and often are, so id rather trust god ❤

[@christopheespic]

@@swamprat22 I'm not telling you that God is wrong, just that you don't NEED to stick to a litteral interpretation of Genesis! God didn't say in Genesis "take this description as litteral".

[@jacob.tudragens]

​@@christopheespic Scientists also said the sun circles the earth.

[@christopheespic]

@@jacob.tudragens.... And learned from their mistakes. Everyone can and should.

[@avishevin1976]

The six days of creation are a story. A story that's not consistent with logic, never mind observational reality.

[@MisterCapra]

Why isn't it consistent with logic or observation, sir?

[@coolguy4179]

Well, according to this theory the Bible is invalid. After all, there are differences in the post-Resurrection stories in the four Gospels. When people take a spiritual book and interpret it materially, they undermine the truth in the book. The first chapter of Genesis is written in a specific genre: Poetry. Last time I checked, poetry greatly tends itself to symbolism and metaphor. If your faith is so fragile that you can't see the truth in Genesis 1 without it having to be materially accurate then I question how strong your faith is. Seems more like the Bible is your idol, not your guide.

[@polibm6510]

Yes. Not millions of years long. Billions years.

[@ForkThe6]

Ken vs St. Peter. 2 Peter 3:8 But beloved, be not ignorant of this ONE THING, that a day is with the Lord like a thousand years and a thousand years are like a day.

[@jacob.tudragens]

This only means that, from God's perspective, time is meaningless because He is outside of time. Jesus is the only time traveler.