No Tradition? Fine. NO CHRISTIANITY! [13 Verses To Highlight]

[@KennyBurchard]

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[@michaeloakland4665]

Not too many years from now, these videos may prove to be a turning point in equipping a growing army of Catholics to present the faith with confidence, love, and biblical clarity. As a former Protestant minister myself, I can't say enough how helpful this series is.

[@KennyBurchard]

I sure hope so! Lots of work to do. hard work!

[@Michael-pw2td]

Former Protestants always make great Catholics.

[@mlv2297]

Thank you so much Kenny. This series has helped me SO much while journaling my faith. Have many questions and challenges from Protestant friends whom a mixture left the Catholic faith to join Protestant denominations. They have tried to tell me the Catholic faith is all about controlling. I can only think that idea can and most likely from the Paster. They have hopped from churches to churches in search for a Paster that they can connect to and they can connect with their sermon. One said she goes to a certain Paster because she can understand his sermon. I dont know what to think or say but wanting to prepare and armed myself with understanding my own faith for when the time comes I can defend with confidence and sound understanding. Your series and other youtube has given a really valuable tool to use. May God the Almighty continue to bless you abundantly and keep under his watch and protection.

[@PadraigTomas]

You'll be familiar with the comment attributed to Mother Angelica: _We get the best Protestants, and they get the worst Catholics._

[@Enuff1102]

As a former protestant and agnostic, becoming Catholic at 66, last year, I love your series on using the bible as proof for the Catholic Christian faith. Our parish priest has assigned me and a cradle Catholic to teach 6-7th grade pre-confirmation class. I live in N. Alabama, so equipping students with the truths of the Catholic faith is vitally important. Thank you, Kenny

[@josephdalessandro8898]

@@Enuff1102 As a Protestant did you truly study Bible as a spiritually reborn Christian, or were you just a traditional Protestant?

[@larrys4383]

@@Enuff1102 thanks for your work with our youth.

[@larrym.johnson9219]

@@josephdalessandro8898 question ❓ would you reflect the same perspectives with the Protestant reformers, how would you judge their teaching! As to that standard? And pick between them? 🤔🔥🤟🙏👍🇺🇸

[@mariadeabreu8551]

I like to listen to your teachings, so clear, so easy to understand, so true! Thank you, God bless you! Continue to illuminate us. I am Catholic, from a Catholic family but I never heard these teachings which I crave as I have Protestant and Evangelical friends. We need to be well rooted in our faith!This knowledge is giving me such joy and I praise and glorify God for it! 🙏

[@sandrastorck2137]

Thankyou Kenny. I attend daily Mass, listen to Scripture readings and homilies, but really appreciate learning more and more from your videos. I am highlighting and annotating my Bible as never before!

[@Catholicimanurdu]

I am from Pakistan Christian , I am much learning from you

[@ephrenrobles3220]

Even worship on Sunday is a tradition, Easter is a tradition, Christmas, etc ....God bless!!

[@YYG023]

Very true, the tradition brought the bible. God bless you, Kenny with your family abundantly!

[@FlorianSawanBahin]

Excellently done, simplifying Catholic faith into THE FAITH JC HIMSELF HAD ESTABLISHED FOR ALL OF US... keep up the good work Holy Spirit is doing through YOU!!! May the BVM support you and your great work through the Holy Spirit. Florian Bahin...cradle catholic...Papua New Guinea.

[@juliusraposo1296]

Thank you and God bless you❤❤❤

[@garryrecamadas1548]

Praise to you, Lord Jesus Christ...Amen!!!

[@lynettestrickland1688]

Leading a talk tonight for our teen group on just this subject…very timely…thanks!

[@KennyBurchard]

Awesome. How did it go?

[@lenines3347]

My dear evangelical friend's response to my mention of Tradition was that they have their own tradition, like just another flavor.

[@1Hope4All]

🤦🏻‍♀️

[@frisco61]

@@lenines3347 Kenny should have made the distinction between Sacred Tradition and just tradition. Look up Sacred Tradition in your Catechism.

[@KennyBurchard]

Our Catholic faith is one of both Sacred Tradition and traditions together.

[@patrickdillon9188]

@lenines3347 and does your evangelical friend have a description of all of the flavors of evangelicalism before he/she can claim to have a recognizable " tradition"?, because protestants that I know realize that the protestant experiment is a catastrophic failure on many levels.

[@BramptonAnglican]

Tradition is very important.

[@bahreh.7807]

Brilliantly explained . Clarity matters . Thanks u sir. ‼️

[@johnchung6777]

You couldn’t have explained it more clearer than daylight and precisely to the GIST OF YOUR PRESENTATION ON TRADITIONAL TEACHINGS OF GOD AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH MY CATHOLIC BROTHER KENNY,for the Hebrew’s had departed from the spiritual traditions that Moses had taught them but not all of the Jews did that.For those Jews who kept the spiritual traditions of Moses understood everything that Jesus Christ was speaking about and believed in him.Your an excellent Bible teacher and interpret May The All Powerful Glorious Exalted All Praise Worthy Trinity Bless Protect Guide and fill you with an Abundance of TRUTH GRACES VIRTUES AND ZEAL TO CONTINUE YOUR FINE WORKS THAT YOU ARE DOING AND HELPING SO MANY CATHOLICS WHO ARE SO UNLEARNED

[@CactusCJ]

This channel is a literal answered prayer! I want to fill a notebook now!

[@KennyBurchard]

I’m so glad!

[@embumamowewamesa4345]

Thank you.. from indonesia❤❤❤ I will share for Indonesian people

[@StorytellerUCLA]

🎉 as a newly re-converted Catholic I have more products and friends than I have Catholic friends. I have been studying so hard to learn how to give an answer for my face, and this helps greatly. I will get the book and I will be following your series closely!

[@vintage53-coversandorigina37]

I remember when I first learned that the canon wasn’t first decided until the late third century, it blew my mind! Raised Lutheran I was never told that!!!

[@KennyBurchard]

Most people have no idea. They go to the Christian bookstore, buy a Bible, and assume the Apostles were carrying them around from church to church the day after the ascension.

[@sarahschnapf7859]

Thank you, Kenny. This is a newly opened treasure w/being educated in Tradition(s) of the Church as revert to the faith. I'll have to hear this episode again w my highlighter in hand as i listened & cooked lunch. Is anyone now singing the song " TRADITION" by Tevye in Fiddler on the Roof ✡️🎻 💓 headed to Adoration. PEACE 😊 ✡️✝️🛐🕊📿❤️‍🔥

[@BensWorkshop]

One of the priests in my parish (5 churches) leads a Rosary at the start, with confession also available!

[@ThomasLoewen-cw7mi]

Kenny, I am a migrant to the Catholic Church in 2021. For someone in your position, I would like to encourage you to go to an evangelical church monthly to see how many EV churches have migrated from w here they were even 5 years ago. Most do not reject tradition. I go to a local Baptist (practically non-denominational) with my wife and I also go to mass regularly. As a long term Bible and Theology student who can easily parse what is consistent with, or not consistent with, Catholic doctrine, I would say that there isn’t preaching against tradition any more and also a very limited understanding of the “trad” EV tradition of bashing Catholic tradition. I often walk out of that church thinking that I wish the same sermon was preached in my local Catholic Church I attend as it was often very consistent with the catechism and Catholic teaching. As well it is often done well and delivered much more clearly. Having said that, I wish that the EVs would understand the theological traditions abandoned as a result of the schism between Catholics and EVs. They miss a lot. But I also fear many Catholics miss a lot too. Keep preaching brother. We need more of that as Catholics. Also I sense that God is slowly bringing Christians together through the Holy Spirit. Am praying for you and your ministry.

[@BensWorkshop]

Welcome home! The Holy Spirit is indeed leading people home with an increasingly traditional Catholic priesthood which is ever more conservative.

[@KennyBurchard]

Those that cling to the ancient faith that they can find will, hopefully, find their way fully home! I applaud any non-Catholic sect that embraces ancient Christian truths and practices. These serve to cure the ecclesial amnesia that many of us took in with how we were formed in the separated communions. That many are rediscovering what was always there (though often hidden or obfuscated) are blessed, indeed.

[@QJesusisLord99]

Hey Protestant here wanna learn more about the Catholic Church love the video I’m trying to see which historical church is I should’ve apart but one thing I appreciate the Protestants for is them explaining and expressing the gospel aka the good news and salvation but yeah unfortunately I’m not fully convinced yet but will be going to Catholic Church watch more videos and see what the Lord wants me to do

[@larrys4383]

Prayers for your journey.

[@PatrickSteil]

@@QJesusisLord99 Blessings on your journey. The “gospel” as presented by most all Protestant churches is also a matter of tradition. And I would say it has evolved over time. The model of penal substitution has become the explanation of the totality of what Salvation means to some. The problem is that this is an analogy. It isn’t everything that the Bible teaches about Salvation. It’s why the Catholic churches has never settled on “one model” because to do so means you have to negate certain things that the Bible says. But when you study everything that the Bible says about Salvation you will see that (as I count them) there are at least 14 things that are a necessary part of Salvation (and never the tradition of “faith alone”). The Bible emphasizes our relationship with the Creator, sustainer and redeemer of the universe as far as I can see. The penal substitution model doesn’t take into account the familial covenant that God has been trying to get us to understand for millennia! :) It doesn’t really take into account why Jesus had to die on the cross… with the penal substitution model a non believer could ask, then why doesn’t he just do that for us regardless of our sin - doesn’t he love us enough? Anyway, I reverted to the Church three years ago and it seems so clear now, but I didn’t know what I didn’t know. Keep searching for HIS Truth! :)

[@QJesusisLord99]

@@larrys4383 thank you sir🙏❤️

[@ceiciliasura3879]

Thankyou brother 🙏🌹🤝

[@luisloya1120]

Thank you for another great lesson. I went to Amazon to order this book only to find out i already ordered it 7 yrs ago.😂 Unfortunately I've become more of a book collector than an actual reader.

[@KennyBurchard]

Ha!

[@PatrickSteil]

I have the same problem! lol

[@EricN571]

Great work! Well explained 👍. Thank you.

[@ginkeng2940]

Thank you Ken! i'm learning a lot from your channel.

[@KennyBurchard]

Awesome, thank you!

[@BensWorkshop]

A Dave Armstrong book I don't have. I have ordered it though. Many thanks! Great episode!

[@KennyBurchard]

I hope Dave sees this!

[@BensWorkshop]

@@KennyBurchard Alas second hand, I'm in the UK.

[@nicholasg-lai9660]

Paradosis...❤ Amen from Sabah Malaysia

[@MiguelMangada]

very well said brother. God bless you and pls continue spreading the good news about catholic teachings that have fullness of truth.

[@victorwavingana6653]

Thank you for clearly explaining these things because it seems that some want to protect without tru reason

[@lyraaguila835]

I like how you explain it. It added to my knowledge. Thank you.

[@nanday100]

Thank you so much, this is a great topic!

[@elizabethsnedden500]

Great teaching Kenny. Many thanks

[@tamangchristopher5453]

Thank you for your effort God bless you 💖

[@lindahill7840]

Thank you for this series!!

[@KennyBurchard]

You are so welcome!

[@conniecope9501]

I love the way you explain things, Kenny. This is such a thorough treatise on this subject and you're teaching me how to lay it out in such an organized way that is easy to explain to my non-Catholic friends and family. Thank you!

[@Boxed4Y]

Thank you Ken. This great stuff!

[@KennyBurchard]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@jesus_is_my_spotter]

Thank you for helping us use the Bible to explain Christianity to protestants. They have many things right, but lack some understanding and knowledge.

[@tabandken8562]

@@jesus_is_my_spotter I'm not so sure they have anything right? Everything they believe is skewed. I'm being general here...their beliefs differ from each other. Example, they believe Jesus died for our sins, but He wasn't punished, He didn't take away our punishment, and He didn't pay the full price for sin. I don't think "paying the price for sin is proper language anyway".

[@Shevock]

Thank you for your videos.

[@RunningOverRocks]

Praise be Jesus Christ! Firstly, I want you to know that I am a skilled colorist, and colored pencils are my forte! But I had never, ever thought about using twistables until you suggested them. So I got some this week, and how perfect they are for Biblical highlighting! I also love looking at all the books behind you, and so when you suggested this book, you can trust and believe that I will get that, too!

[@KennyBurchard]

Life's too short to NOT have all the awesome books!

[@truthnotlies]

Appreciate the video, Kenny.

[@leeveronie7850]

Great Video ..... Thanks !!!

[@KennyBurchard]

Glad you liked it!

[@ansiraquinas1831]

Amazing stuff! Keep it up.

[@KennyBurchard]

Thanks, will do!

[@angela7064]

Great lesson. Look forward to more.

[@KennyBurchard]

More to come!

[@PatrickSteil]

Adding this video to our RCIA curriculum!!

[@bryandonovan6779]

Just ordered a copy of Dave Armstrong's book and expect to receive my Catholic Bible, Journal Edition this week. I love this series and keep up the great work. I have some work to do to get caught up with my highlighting which I am looking forward to do. In regards to Tradition aren't there examples of Jesus himself following Jewish traditions? I can think of two and they are super powerful in my opinion. "Father let this cup pass me by, but not my will but yours". Dr. Brant Pitre has a book called The Fourth Cup that goes through this in detail. Bottom line is that by the time of Jesus's Last Supper the Jews had developed a tradition of four "Cups" of wine at the Passover. These cups are not specified in scripture prior to the Last Supper. Secondly in Matthews gospel Jesus tells his apostles to follow what the Pharisees say but not what they do (23:3). The authority of the "seat of Moses" is not specifically identified previously in scripture. Any thoughts?

[@NicklausPapson]

This guy is amazing

[@08frank12]

Thank you for the content!

[@KennyBurchard]

You bet!

[@charlespagano9636]

Great job as always!

[@KennyBurchard]

I appreciate that

[@paulericn.mouafo6610]

Thanks so much for such methodic, simple and effective pedagogy !! it's so spot-on!! we're in classroom rigth now !! love it and blessings upon you !!

[@KennyBurchard]

You're very welcome!

[@marylinggayo1594]

Thank you for the video, it’s very informative and enlightening

[@KennyBurchard]

Glad it was helpful!

[@MiguelMangada]

this is a great video

[@michaelnewberg9735]

I have asked before, where in Scripture is the sinners prayer? Isn't that a Tradition of men?

[@KennyBurchard]

Very true. It is a man-made tradition based on a composite of biblical ideas and verses.

[@---zc4qt]

The "sinner's prayer" was invented in the 1800s.

[@PatrickSteil]

Tradition is what is taught by handing it down from one generation to the next. Protestantism itself with all of its founding principles is a tradition. Most of it is not biblical and doesn’t line up with the Truth of what God has revealed.

[@jonatasmachado7217]

Excellent points!

[@KennyBurchard]

Thanks!

[@edwardcobb1018]

I like 1 Cor.15:12-20. Apostle Paul describes an analogy. If you don't believe in basically all Apostolic Teachings and Traditions, your Faith is in vain, your soul will perish, go to Hell. Your body perishes from God's death penalty punishment from Adam’s Original betrayal of God's 1st Covenant. All inherent Adam’s punishment of bodily death caused by his sin nature because we are Adam and Eve's descendants so our bodies die due to our sin nature. Our Free Will choices cause us to sin whether unintentionally, Venial Sins, or intentionally, called Mortal Sins. The Apostic tradition of Mass confession and penitence, including the eating of communion is our means of salvation. If Mortal Sin is committed, the Apostolic Sacramental Sacrament of Reconciliation Act of Confessional, Priesthood Absolution and post Penitence, is our means of salvation. Many non-Catholics, protesters, refuse to admit to themselves, the Scripture Apostolic truths of Last Supper and Pentecost! Even though protesters believed in their false 1517AD Sola Scriptura Doctrine! Absolute truth.

[@Michael-pw2td]

Excellent video

[@KennyBurchard]

Thank you very much!

[@rjyahin05]

I liked and subscribed. 🇵🇭🇵🇭

[@KennyBurchard]

Thanks!

[@jdub3999]

Another great video! The Catholic Church is the fullness of Christianity. Thanks be to God!

[@KennyBurchard]

Christianity = Catholicism and vice-versa!

[@E-pistol]

Then someone in America calling himself a Berean today, will say that only applies to one area.

[@BensWorkshop]

The Bereans listened to Apostolic teaching!

[@AlbanianChristianity]

Apostolic Tradition refers to the teachings that the Apostles received from Jesus and passed on to the early Church. What is bad about this?

[@KennyBurchard]

Yep!

[@doubtingthomas9117]

And of course the canonical norm of the Apostolic tradition is the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testament as understood in light of the ancient Rule of Faith. Btw-the mnemonic I learned for Galatians through Colossians is “General Electric Power Company” PS: good video by the way 👍🏻 (From an Anglican)

[@KennyBurchard]

Oh love that!!

[@cheryl71000]

Like your ending about the number of books in the bible. Canon of books made by the catholic church.

[@John15v4]

At minute 25 when you introduce the positive use of “tradition”, is it true that some Bible translations primarily used by nonCatholic Christians render the positive use of “tradition” as our English word “teaching”? If that’s the case then tradition for those who have such a Bible translation never see tradition being used positively. This would only perpetuate their idea that “tradition” is negative and to be avoided at all costs. But, “teachings” well that’s okay, teachings can be handed down. Please clarify. Thx. Edit additional comment: you covered the various translations further in to the episode, minute 32+. Thx

[@bryandonovan6779]

There is a great video by Dr John Bersgma on this very topic. Be careful, if you are like me it could make your blood boil. There are people out there that deliberately author translations in an "anti-Catholic" manor. "7 Verses Every Catholic Should Know" | Dr. John Bergsma

[@Peace2U-LM]

@@John15v4 The first English translation of the Bible was misinterpreted by anti Catholic Christians. They chose to keep the word “tradition” as tradition only when it had a negative connotation. Wherever the word “tradition” had a positive connotation it was changed to “teaching”. This act has caused much harm throughout history! Dr John Bergsma’s book (Stunned by Scripture/how the Bible made me Catholic) explains this quite well. I cannot recommend this book enough ❤️

[@christineduenas8001]

Thanks for walking us through the Bible with specific topics Kenny. what would you advise Catholics reading the Bible how to start and get the most out of the Scripture reading and study?

[@KennyBurchard]

I think everyone should work through the Bible In A Year podcast with a pen and notebook and highlighter. That’s going to get you miles and miles down the road. It will change your life and make the Bible come alive to you even if it takes you 3 years to get through it.

[@---zc4qt]

It would be shocking to find ANY church that did not have annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnny traditions as a part of what they do.

[@KennyBurchard]

True.

[@jperez7893]

the church preceded tradition. and tradition preceded the bible. john tells us that so much more was not written down. furthermore, the canon of the bible developed from tradition and confirmed by the magisterial authority of the church. the sign of the cross. the mass and different liturgies are all developed traditions.

[@boblob2003]

It's as simple as this: Human extra-Biblical traditions are fine, as long as they are not dogmatic AND they do not contradict the Bible.

[@johnosumba1980]

@@boblob2003 tradition cannot contradict tradition. Bible is a tradition only those whose traditions are recent can contradict it and not those whose traditions are tied to its existence.

[@thomashannah1828]

@@boblob2003 On the contrary, it seems clear that ALL Christian dogmas were initially “extra-Biblical traditions”, because Christ and the Apostles were preachers, not clerks. Only as the Church was called to arbitrate errors, and was compelled to preserve the dogmatic “Traditions” for future generations, did the Bible slowly begin to take shape. Tradition was the ONLY form of dogma for the earliest Christians.

[@KapurSangma-rp3yv]

We are watching your true speaking, how catholic and Protestant Bible changed whose words is kept in the Bible, why change

[@stanleyfamilychannel6004]

I think you should make clear what are the traditions in discussion ?

[@TERRANO1992]

🙏

[@ThomasMcEvoy]

🙏❤️✝️

[@barracudaswim]

I have a question. I love the ESV Catholic Bible and, as a Catholic, I am thinking of either ESV Study Bible. What are your thoughts on this?

[@user-bv4sj2gq7g]

2 Thess 3:10-12 - Paul “commands” … Is his commandment an invalid “tradition, commandment of men”? Or is it “inspired scripture “? What would a Sola Scriptura Protestant say?

[@ThomasMcEvoy]

Kenny, I see two note taker bibles recommended in your Amazon section. Got a preference? I see the Ave version has CCC references the other one doesn’t. One looks like slightly larger pages. Thanks.

[@KennyBurchard]

I just ordered this one, by popular exhortation. haha!! amzn.to/3MVa3nP

[@hoavuong7199]

Want a joke? In the Garden, ...then,...God asks "Mr Adam, where are you? And where is Eve, I mean Mrs Adam?

[@rhwinner]

Kenny just one question. Doesn't NRSV have it's roots in the KJV? Don't you feel, as I do, more comfortable with a Catholic translation like New Jerusalem, Douay or NAB..?

[@KennyBurchard]

I actually prefer both the ESVCE and the RSV2CE but neither has a note takers Bible. This Bible is primarily for bridge building with non Catholics. It’s not my first choice but is a good tool for this work. I encourage people to use the Bible they prefer.

[@BensWorkshop]

@@KennyBurchard My note taking Bible is RSV2CE..... The Ave.

[@KennyBurchard]

Just ordered it hahah!

[@bryandonovan6779]

Kenny, while you were a Protestant did you ever vote for your pastor? I understand that not all Protestants do that but I believe anyone that attends a "congregational" church would likely do this. Obviously that is not in scripture.

[@KennyBurchard]

I was never involved in voting for a pastor. My wife’s father who pastored for many years was several times the victim of this absolutely unbiblical practice. Talk about “show me one verse in the Bible” and “traditions of men.” It’s one of the most loathsome practices among our separated brethren.

[@TERRANO1992]

👍

[@Papasquatch73]

I am Protestant but not do not believe in sola scriptura. But I also do not believe in Sacra Scriptura et Traditio. Instead I believe in Prima Scriptura

[@johnmanila5200]

Is praying to saints and to Mary part of God's law and traditions?

[@vinb2707]

I always take the time to explain to my evangelical friends that they too follow tradition whether they see it that way or not. For over 20 years I believed that one must remain in the Bible in order to understand the true teachings of the faith. I now get a kick out of friends who avoid all authority and spend countless hours in the scriptures trying to develop their own understanding of what being a Christian means when it has already been defined by the both scripture and through the rich traditions of the Church.

[@1Hope4All]

I like your videos! I like that you show the Church's teachings in the Bible. And I love your energy and disposition. But I have to be honest, I don't like the Bible version that you use. It has inclusive language. That's a bad version. Many good Catholic apologists do not like that Bible either. Better ones are RSV-2CE, ESV-CE, and Douay-Rheims Bible.

[@truthnotlies]

He said in a different comment he uses it to bridge the gap with non Catholics but he doesn't just use that.

[@KennyBurchard]

It's my bridge-builder's bible. That's what I use it for.

[@frisco61]

I really wish you had titled your video No Sacred Tradition instead of just tradition, because they’re not the same thing.

[@KennyBurchard]

True. As Catholics we have BOTH Sacred Tradition and traditions.

[@bongbasiliosportsperformance]

Paul's first letter was written 50 years after Jesus died; and the first Gospel 70 years after. Sola Scriptura cannot be logical.

[@chasnikisher7006]

Paul's first letter was written much sooner than you say, as was the first Gospel.

[@timmcvicker5775]

Traditions are fine as all denominations have them. However, traditions should never add, alter, or delete anything from Scripture. Traditions can be recorded in writing as well as being orally passed on. There isn't any distinction on how these are transmitted. Traditions can be transmitted initially in writing and then orally taught; especially for those individuals who were illiterate in ancient times. Paul wrote letters to certain churches and asked that they pass those writings on to other churches. Also, much of the New Testament writings were in use and recognized as biblical Scripture centuries before the Counsel of Trent formally recognized the Canon. (See Muratorian Fragment, a late 2nd-century-ce fragment of a Latin list of New Testament writings then regarded by Christians as canonical (scripturally authoritative). Regarding oral Apostolic traditions, you spoke of these traditions without specically identifying or listing what these traditions are. Which apostle or apostles passed down a specific tradition, and how do we know this? Are there any words of Christ passed on in any oral tradition that were not recorded in Scripture?

[@DaveArmstrong1958]

"traditions should never add, alter, or delete anything from Scripture." I agree. Sola Scriptura and sola fide aren't taught in Scripture (which Protestants always demand) and contradict it. Things like the Immaculate Conception and Bodily Assumption of Mary aren't explicit in Scripture, but are in harmony with it. Of course large parts of the biblical canon were recognized long before Trent, but there were still some serious disagreements right up to the time of the councils of Carthage and Hippo in the 390s. After that, the NT canon remained essentially up until Trent and the Protestant late tradition of decanonizing seven books. See my article: The New Testament Canon is a “Late” Doctrine: www.ncregister.com/blog/the-new-testament-canon-is-a-late-doctrine "Which apostle or apostles passed down a specific tradition, and how do we know this?" We can know some things; e.g., the perpetual virginity of Mary, from early tradition, in addition to biblical indications. I've written about that particular topic a lot. Also, episcopacy and hierarchical Church government is written about very early, by people like St. Ignatius of Antioch and Pope St. Clement of Rome. The belief in infant baptism is not explicit in Scripture (though I would argue that it is strongly implicit). St. Augustine and Martin Luther both talk about how it was a tradition passed down, and as such cannot be doubted. This was a major reason why Luther favored capital punishment for Anabaptists. "Are there any words of Christ passed on in any oral tradition that were not recorded in Scripture?" Not that I know of. But that doesn't mean that they didn't exist and were later lost to history. For example, in Mark 6:34 (RSV) it says, "He began to teach them many things." But none are recorded in the larger passage. So it's quite possible that some of that may not be explicit biblical teaching, but one or more of the disciples could have passed it along. The question for Protestants is: "where does the Bible ever state that all Christian doctrines must be in the Bible?" Right off the bat, the canon of Scripture is not, and so the Church had to authoritatively proclaim it. This notion, called "inscripturation," is itself unbiblical. See my article: "Oral Tradition: More Biblical (Pauline) Evidence (. . . and an Examination of the False and Unbiblical Protestant Supposed Refutation of “Inscripturation”)": www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2021/02/oral-tradition-more-biblical-pauline-evidence.html

[@timmcvicker5775]

​@DaveArmstrong1958 In short, it does not appear you can answer my question regarding Apostolic traditions. The difference here is that I know the writings of Scripture to be true and authoritative; as it is the inspired word of God. There is nothing that compares! I can see them, touch them, and read them. Regarding Apostolic traditions, I can neither see, touch or read them. And unfortunately, whether any of those traditions are true or not, there is simply no way to verify their source or authenticity. How can they possibly be equal to Scripture? Anything can be said to be an Apostolic tradition ... such as the Immaculate Conception and Assumption of Mary. However, these traditions are nowhere to be found in Scripture, nor are they in harmony with Scripture. (The same is true for purgatory) Sola Scriptura, as you know, means that Scripture is the final authority; not the only authority. As stated above, it is the inspired word of God. This is the very nature and purpose of Scripture. If you must have this spelled out for you in Scripture before you will understand and accept this truth, you are missing the meaning and purpose of Scripture. It is God’s word to us! As I stated in my initial post, you can have traditions, but they cannot add, delete or alter Scripture in any way. (Galatians 1) You stated that Sola Fide isn't taught in Scripture. I must disagree. Sola Fide or faith alone is taught throughout Scripture. You are saved by faith in Jesus Christ. That is the message of Scripture. There are numerous, numerous writings that teach this. Please do not belittle Scripture. (If you want to discuss James 2:24, we can do that.) You also stated there were some serious disagreements by church leaders regarding some areas of the Canon prior to the Councils. That may be true to a point, but the fact of the matter is that the vast majority of the New Testament was in fact recognized as Canon, used, studied and shared by the early churches well before the 390's. (Thats a long time!) Also, I would argue, the writings of the New Testament became Scripture the moment they were written. They are God breathed and really did not need the blessings of man to make them so. The Councils did not make the Canon. God did! The Councils, after almost 400 years, finally recognized them as such. Also, I believe the Old Testament Canon was pretty much set in stone by the Jews well before the time of Christ. It did not include " the Protestant late tradition of decanonizing (these) seven books" . As you are assuredly well aware, the Jewish people did not recognize these books for a variety of reasons and none of these books were ever quoted by Jesus. I do not mean to sound to argumentative. I can get a little fired up at times. However, I must also follow God’s word and only God's word. If you can provide irrefutable evidence regarding any Apostolic tradition as being from an actual apostle and is a truth not already recorded, whole or in part, in the New Testament, I could possibly agree with it. But until then I'll stay with Sola Scriptura. Thanks for your time and discussion.

[@DaveArmstrong1958]

​@@timmcvicker5775 "In short, it does not appear you can answer my question regarding Apostolic traditions." I answered in part, and I will further answer presently. "The difference here is that I know the writings of Scripture to be true and authoritative; as it is the inspired word of God." So do we. That's no difference. The difference is when Protestants made it the sole infallible authority, which Scripture itself never teaches. Kenny's latest video (uploaded this day, as I write) addresses this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6vEZKmsrKqqpMk "There is nothing that compares! I can see them, touch them, and read them." Scripture is very unique. But it doesn't follow that, just because only the Bible is *inspired* (i.e., in terms of a written document), that tradition and Church can't be *infallible* (a lesser gift). We contend that the Bible teaches both of those things, too. But there is also inspiration beyond the Bible: the prophets spoke God's inspired word, and the NT teaches that the office of prophet continued in the Church (whenever God speaks through anyone in a prophetic manner, it's inspired). See my article: Reply To Gavin Ortlund’s 6-Minute Sola Scriptura Defense (Including the Biblical Case for Prophets as Inspired and Infallible Authorities Besides Holy Scripture) [1-26-24] www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2024/01/reply-to-gavin-ortlunds-6-minute-sola-scriptura-defense.html "Regarding Apostolic traditions, I can neither see, touch or read them. And unfortunately, whether any of those traditions are true or not, there is simply no way to verify their source or authenticity. How can they possibly be equal to Scripture?" Again, they are equal in terms of possessing authority, because inspired Scripture says that they are (as a general proposition). The Church, as the guardian of both Sacred Scripture and sacred apostolic tradition, proclaims and verifies specifically which are authentic and which aren't. Even Protestants were forced to fall back on infallible, authoritative Church teaching when it came to the canon of the Bible. The Bible teaches the infallibility of the Church: 1 Timothy 3:15 = Church Infallibility (vs. Steve Hays) [5-14-20] www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2020/05/1-timothy-315-church-infallibility-vs-steve-hays.html Apostolic Succession as Seen in the Jerusalem Council [National Catholic Register, 1-15-17] www.ncregister.com/blog/darmstrong/apostolic-succession-as-seen-in-the-jerusalem-council C. S. Lewis vs. St. Paul on Future Binding Church Authority [National Catholic Register, 1-22-17] www.ncregister.com/blog/darmstrong/c.s.-lewis-vs.-st.-paul-on-future-binding-church-authority Were the Jerusalem Council Decrees Universally Binding? [National Catholic Register, 12-4-19] www.ncregister.com/blog/darmstrong/were-the-jerusalem-council-decrees-universally-binding “Catholic Verses” #6: Interpreting Scripture (Including: How Far Away Were the Cities that the Jerusalem Council Bound to its Decrees?) [10-30-23] www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2023/10/catholic-verses-6-interpreting-scripture.html The Jerusalem Council & Binding Universal Decisions [Catholic365, 11-2-23] www.catholic365.com/article/32221/the-jerusalem-council-binding-universal-decisions.html All of these factors are devastating to the unbiblical and anti-biblical tradition of sola Scriptura. "Anything can be said to be an Apostolic tradition ... such as the Immaculate Conception and Assumption of Mary." Not "anything." It has to be in harmony with Holy Scripture. "However, these traditions are nowhere to be found in Scripture, nor are they in harmony with Scripture. (The same is true for purgatory)" So you say. But you're wrong. See: Response to an Inquiring Protestant (Austin Suggs) (Strictly Biblical Arguments Regarding the Papacy & Mary’s Immaculate Conception & Assumption) [5-3-22] www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2022/05/response-to-an-inquiring-protestant-austin-suggs.html Sinless Creatures in the Bible: Actual & Potential (Including a Listing of Many Biblical Passages About Sin, Holiness, Blamelessness, Righteousness, Godliness, Perfection, and Sanctity) [10-20-22; greatly expanded on 7-27-23] www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2023/07/sinless-creatures-in-the-bible-actual-potential.html 25 Bible Passages on Purgatory [1996] www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2015/11/25-bible-passages-on-purgatory.html 50 Bible Passages on Purgatory & Analogous Processes [2009] www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2015/11/50-bible-passages-on-purgatory-analogous-processes.html 50 Biblical Indications That Purgatory is Real [National Catholic Register, 10-24-16] www.ncregister.com/blog/darmstrong/50-biblical-indications-that-purgatory-is-real 11 Descriptive and Clear Bible Passages About Purgatory [National Catholic Register, 5-7-17] www.ncregister.com/blog/darmstrong/25-descriptive-and-clear-bible-passages-about-purgatory "Sola Scriptura, as you know, means that Scripture is the final authority; not the only authority." Yes I know, having written three books on the topic: *100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura* www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2011/07/books-by-dave-armstrong-150-biblical.html *Pillars of Sola Scriptura: Replies to Whitaker, Goode, & Biblical “Proofs” for “Bible Alone”* www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2012/09/books-by-dave-armstrong-pillars-of-sola.html *The Bible Tells Me So: A Catholic Apologist Challenges Protestants with Scripture* www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2019/01/books-by-dave-armstrong-the-bible-tells-me-so.html | END OF PART I

[@DaveArmstrong1958]

@@timmcvicker5775 [continued from my Part I reply] "As stated above, it is the inspired word of God. This is the very nature and purpose of Scripture." No need to reiterate what Catholics have believed from the beginning. You received Scripture from us, historically speaking. Even Luther gave the Catholic Church great credit for that. "If you must have this spelled out for you in Scripture before you will understand and accept this truth, you are missing the meaning and purpose of Scripture." Again, this is not at issue. But for some inexplicable reason, you seem to think that it is. We need not spend valuable time arguing about commonly held premises and beliefs. "It is God’s word to us!" Yes it is! Prophets' words are also God's words to us. The phrase "word of the LORD" appears 243 times in the Protestant OT (RSV) and in many (maybe even most) instances it is referring to the words of prophets, not the Bible. In 101 of those instances, it reads, "the word of the LORD came to [so-and-so]": i.e., that it was a direct revelation to a person, as opposed to Scripture. "As I stated in my initial post, you can have traditions, but they cannot add, delete or alter Scripture in any way. (Galatians 1)" Of course they can't add to Scripture or "delete" it or alter it because they are not Scripture, so by definition . . . Once again, sacred apostolic tradition is authoritative and infallible (when deemed to be so by the Church) but not inspired. It's not Scripture, but it's always in harmony with what Scripture teaches. For example, the Bodily Assumption is not contradictory to anything we have in Scripture. We know it's entirely possible because we have examples of other bodily assumptions to heaven, such as Elijah (many think, also Enoch) and those who will rise up to meet Jesus in the air when He returns. A sinless person or the larger category of a sinless creature is not inconceivable because Adam and Eve were sinless before the fall, and the unfallen angels have always been sinless and always will be. Being in harmony with the Bible is different from being explicitly proven in the Bible. "You stated that Sola Fide isn't taught in Scripture. I must disagree. Sola Fide or faith alone is taught throughout Scripture. You are saved by faith in Jesus Christ. That is the message of Scripture. There are numerous, numerous writings that teach this." It's contradicted at least 78 times in the Bible: Salvation via Sanctification & Merit: Bible Proofs (Compendium of 115 Biblical Passages On Catholic Justification, Sanctification, Faith & Works, & Merit: Contrary to Protestant “Faith Alone” Soteriology) [8-26-24; revised and expanded on 9-10-24] www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2024/08/salvation-via-sanctification-merit-bible-proofs.html Banzoli’s 45 “Faith Alone” Passages; My 200 Biblical Disproofs [6-16-22] www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2022/06/banzolis-45-faith-alone-passages-my-200-biblical-disproofs.html Abraham’s Justification By Faith & Works (vs. Jordan Cooper) + Catholic Exegesis Regarding St. Paul’s Specific Meaning of “Works” in Romans 4 [3-1-24] www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2024/03/abrahams-justification-by-faith-works-vs-jordan-cooper.html Sanctification and Works Are Tied to Salvation [National Catholic Register, 9-26-24] www.ncregister.com/blog/dave-armstrong-sanctification-and-works-are-tied-to-salvation Many many more refutations on my Salvation & Justification web page: www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2006/11/salvation-justification-faith-alone.html "Please do not belittle Scripture. (If you want to discuss James 2:24, we can do that.)" It's hardly belittling Scripture if I can offer up 78 Bible passages that refute faith alone. It would seem, rather, that Protestants are ignoring a great deal of Scripture that contradicts their false doctrine of "faith alone." Ignoring *that much Scripture* is belittling it, if anything is. I've discussed James 2 many times: Reply to James White’s Exegesis of James 2 in Chapter 20 of His Book, *The God Who Justifies* [10-9-13] www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2013/10/reply-to-james-whites-exegesis-of-james.html "You also stated there were some serious disagreements by church leaders regarding some areas of the Canon prior to the Councils. That may be true to a point, but the fact of the matter is that the vast majority of the New Testament was in fact recognized as Canon, used, studied and shared by the early churches well before the 390's. (That's a long time!)" Yes it was, but there was significant enough disagreement so that it would likely never have become a complete consensus unless the Church declared the canon. No one names all 27 NT books in one place until St. Athanasius in 367. So we can't prove that any one person knew that the entire NT was canon till some 330 years after Jesus' death. See: Bible: Completely Self-Authenticating, So that Anyone Could Come up with the Complete Canon without Formal Church Proclamations? (vs. Wm. Whitaker) [July 2012] www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2019/12/is-scripture-completely-self-authenticating-vs-wm-whitaker.html "Also, I would argue, the writings of the New Testament became Scripture the moment they were written. They are God breathed and really did not need the blessings of man to make them so. The Councils did not make the Canon. God did! The Councils, after almost 400 years, finally recognized them as such." We agree, and that's what we teach. See: Does the Catholic Church Think it is Superior to the Bible? [9-14-15] www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2015/09/catholic-church-superior-to-the-bible.html "Also, I believe the Old Testament Canon was pretty much set in stone by the Jews well before the time of Christ. It did not include "the Protestant late tradition of decanonizing (these) seven books". As you are assuredly well aware, the Jewish people did not recognize these books for a variety of reasons and none of these books were ever quoted by Jesus." See: Deuterocanonical References (?) in the Gospels [7-13-05] www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2016/02/deuterocanonical-references-in-the-gospels.html Deuterocanonical References (?): Acts-Ephesians [7-27-05] www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2016/02/deuterocanonical-references-acts-ephesians.html Deuterocanonical References (?): Philippians-Revelation [8-10-05] www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2016/02/deuterocanonical-references-philippians-revelation.html "I do not mean to sound to argumentative. I can get a little fired up at times." No problem! I love debate. I so rarely find Protestants willing to debate, so it's a real pleasure. "However, I must also follow God’s word and only God's word." The Bible teaches an authoritative tradition and Church in addition to itself. The "three-legged stool" rule of faith is an explicitly biblical doctrine. "If you can provide irrefutable evidence regarding any Apostolic tradition as being from an actual apostle and is a truth not already recorded, whole or in part, in the New Testament, I could possibly agree with it. But until then I'll stay with Sola Scriptura. " That's an arbitrary demand, which is not in the Bible; so it's simply a tradition of man that you have adopted. As such, it's neither infallible nor even authoritative; therefore there is no reason for anyone to follow it. Nor is "inscripturation" a biblical concept. It's a Protestant tradition of men, just as sola fide and sola Scriptura are. "Thanks for your time and discussion." Thank you, too. I had a lot of fun. And I hope the dialogue will continue!

[@kiwisaram9373]

So no Jewishness, no tradition?

[@sirreyes9435]

Isn’t the Bible apart of this “man made tradition” isn’t it tradition to follow the Bible ?

[@JesusfoundedCatholicChurch]

Another great video. You mentioned the NIV. I still have a NIV life application Bible in my bookshelf. Last Protestant Bible I purchased. I used either the NIV or the NRSV (not ce) to see the authority of the Church. It made me realize that I must accept the authority of the Church even when I don't understand a teaching. When I don't understand it, I keep digging until I understand it. I knew you would mention 2 Thessalonians 2:15. I have that verse memorized from quoting it so much in defense of scripture and traditions. My Bible is heavily marked up. It's NRSVCE but not the notetaking Bible but has wide margins. After mass, I stay for adoration and after praying, I study the Bible. It's heavily highlighted and lots of notes or prayers in the margins

[@KennyBurchard]

I still have an NIV, too! I realized quickly into my seminary training that it is one of the most biased translations ever created! It is prolific amongst non-Catholic evangelicals.

[@cheryl71000]

​@@JesusfoundedCatholicChurch I find also when I do not agree with a church teaching, or tradition, and look in to it. I come to the fact I am not scholarly enough, and all the great doctors and priests/monks of the church have a far better understanding of holy scripture than I. I still research it and come to the church's conclusions. I like how the catholic church allows you believe in Adam and Eve creation or allows you to also believe it is not literal, and you can believe in Darwin's theory also. As either way God created it. So many priests and monks were scientists. The big bang theory of priest's theory. There are few doctrines that you have to believe to be a Catholic. I love the catholic faith, you don't have to believe in relics, although I have deep respect for catholics who have died for the faith.

[@kevinmikegrit]

No Traditions = No Christianity Traditions of the Elders (negative) 1. Matthew 15 : 2 2. Mark 7 : 3 3. Mark 7 : 5 Your Traditions (negative) 1. Mark 15 : 3 2. Matthew 15 : 6 3. Mark 7 : 9 4. Mark 7 : 13 Human Traditions (negative) 1. Mark 7 : 8 2. Colossians 2 : 8 Traditions of my Ancestors (neutral) 1. Galatians 1 : 14 Traditions I handed on, You were taught, They received (positive) 1. 1 Corinthians 11 : 2 2. 2 Thessalonians 2 :15 3. 2 Thesaalonians 3 : 6 Do you think you follow any traditions which are not found in the bible?

[@KennyBurchard]

Thanks Kevin!!

[@kevinmikegrit]

@@KennyBurchard most welcome, God bless you.

[@apostolicapologetics4829]

@36:45 one "development of doctrine" and "sacred tradition" they accept.