Noah's Flood |

[@Morgan-pf8nu]

One of my favorite episodes. Thank you for the awesome content. This is really something to think about

[@keithrobinson2941]

I found "The Grand Canyon, Monument to an Ancient Earth: Can Noah's Flood Explain the Grand Canyon?" (Carol Hill, ed.) to be a very good book on the topic of Flood Geology.

[@EntinludeX]

Anyone who thinks the Grand canyon was carved by the biblical flood but that archaeological ruins of contemporary civilizations were left totally unscathed is an unfathomable moron.

[@wtk6069]

When I first read Dr. Ross' flood model around 2008, it was a very different way of approaching the flood. Traditionally, the choice was either it's a global flood or it's only symbolic. This model lets it be both literal and scientifically possible. It also emphasizes the deliberate punishment from God, as wicked humanity was very specifically targeted geographically in this model. Why would God unnecessarily punish wildlife globally when it's only Man that's the offender?

[@EntinludeX]

The reason why the story is specifically targeted geographically is also because it's largely plagiarized from the epic of Gilgamesh, the famous story which precedes it by nearly a millenia.

[@EntinludeX]

@Joshua Hurst Why not simply utter magic words and simply have it done... like he allegedly simply spoke the universe into existence? Why not prevent the need for violent catastrophe in the first place by guiding the wicked two more prosperous paths? It's almost like these stories were completely fabricated by people who didn't know how to do good writing.

[@wtk6069]

@@EntinludeX Or maybe both reference the same historical event because of the enormous impact it had on the human race.

[@wtk6069]

@@EntinludeX I'm glad you're so wise you could do a better job than the Almighty. Maybe he'll hire you as a consultant the next time he creates a reality. Then you can show him how to do it better.

[@EntinludeX]

@@wtk6069 Except of course they're not, because while there are of course floods around many river deltas, in many civilizations, recorded in many folklore... none of them are contemporaneous, have the same cause, duration, or outcome. In fact they all entirely vary in almost every degree.

[@nelsonbeachy]

According to Genesis, the ark was floating for about 5 months. If this was a local flood, that lasted 5 months, all the water would have been flowing towards the lowest point (the ocean) the entirity of the flood. What kept the ark from being washed out to the ocean? All the water would have had to be flowing towards the ocean quite rapidly and I'm not sure that it's logical to think that the ark could just float around for 5 months without getting washed to the ocean.

[@shin_hibiki]

I keep feeling that Keltz is needlessly callous about the humane treatment of animals. Maybe I just don't get it. I guess I'm anthropomorphizing.

[@EntinludeX]

No, the entire narrative is callously inhumane. It's not just planetary genocide, it's an anihhilating mass extinction event that by all accounts aught to have utterly collapsed the food chain & the gene pool. Fortunately it's entirely apocryphal & nothing so ghoulish is true. Unfortunately this horrifying repugnant narrative is taught to young children. It's certainly no wonder western culture treats both flora and fauna as completely disposable & with indifferent disregard.

[@pierreabbat6157]

How big was the flood in square megameters? How much water is there in petaliters?

[@EntinludeX]

Do you realize how tiny the volume of water is in relation to the actual size of the Earth's surface?? A sphere of all the water on the entire planet, some 326 million trillion gallons would only barely cover the Midwest US. 860 miles (1,385 kilometers) in diameter. The kind of water necessary for Noah's flood to have been a global event is cartoonishly impossible.

[@justcruisin81]

What about the movement from the Earth's tectonic plates, possibly during the flood catastrophe?

[@EntinludeX]

Flooding has nothing to do with tectonic plates.

[@EntinludeX]

For the Noah's ark story to literally be true, it would have to have rained the equivalent of about 1.35 QUADRILLION Olympic swimming pools. This raises one final point, where did all that water go? I’m beginning to doubt the veracity of the bible.

[@abedetesfa5158]

I think this question is touching on a key aspect of the flood account, actually. The Bible describes the earth as a perfect place when it was created. Much of that perfect climate, terrain, etc remained after the fall of man. These things changed at the time of and, as a result of, the flood. Much of the jagged rock/cliffs and deep chasms we find on earth today were a result of the surface of the earth breaking up during the flood when the "fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened." (Gen. 7:11) The water is described as cascading from the sky as well until God stopped the rain. All this together accounts for the amount of water that did exactly what the Bible says it did: cover the whole face of the earth.

[@EntinludeX]

@@abedetesfa5158 there was never a perfect climate or terrain. There was never enough water to cover the whole face of the earth. Floodwaters don't cause jagged rocks or cliffs. That's not how water erosion works AT ALL.

[@abedetesfa5158]

@@EntinludeX Actually, even secular scientists have had to concede that the fossilization, sedimentation and erosion patterns we see at grand canyon and other such places could only have happened in water catastrophe. Hence the proliferation of "local flood" theories to explain these things because, if they concede to a worldwide flood, then evolution doesn't have the time to do what materialists claim it has done. What happened at St Helens in the 80s (I believe it was the eighties 🤔) stirred things up because we witnessed rapid fossilization of almost an entire forest, rapid formation of coal seams, etc; all processes that had before been considered as needing millions of years to happen. There is evidence for what the Bible tells us plainly if we are willing to put God's word above man's assertions. At the root of it all, I have chosen to take God at His word; it's a choice we all will have to make. God bless!

[@benjaminvalentin7304]

This is a very unique view, because we Christians would never consider a regional flood. My question would ask “would the amount of snow/ ice found in the north and south poles provide enough water to cover the world?”.

[@quart5extakkord]

As far as I understand it, it would have the same effect, as ice cubes in a glass of water. The ice cube already elevates the water level due to its volume. When the ice melts, the water levels do not rise, it is already at the height it will have. Little variations are possible. But I don‘t know what they would look like on that scale.

[@EntinludeX]

Of course Christians wouldn't consider it. Christians inhabit a comic book cartoon universe filled with animated absurdities. What Christians don't consider literally fills up entire libraries. There isn't any volume of water anywhere on the planet that could even cover the globe in a micro layer of liquid.

[@wtk6069]

@@quart5extakkord Water does expand when it freezes, which causes sidewalk cracks, but it's not anywhere near four times, and that ice couldn't significantly affect this calculation because even if all the ice melted, it would take up even less volume than it does currently if it were all returned to liquid form. Meaning it can't be the source for the "missing" water.

[@EntinludeX]

If you gathered up all the water currently on the entire planet you'd have some 326 million trillion gallons of water, it would be a sphere 860 miles in diameter. It wouldn't even eclipse the western United States. The cartoonishly preposterous levels of water needed for Noah's flood to be a global event, simply don't exist. It is a ridiculous fable with no geological or archaeological evidence whatsoever.

[@quart5extakkord]

@@wtk6069 exactly what I meant to say😉 I guess the teacher within me wanted to give someone a chance to experience it at home. Thank you for clarification!