Noam Chomsky and Jeremy Scahill on the Russia-Ukraine War, the Media, Propaganda, and Accountability

Renowned dissident and linguist Noam Chomsky joins The Intercept's Jeremy Scahill for a wide-ranging discussion on Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, holding the powerful accountable, the role of media and propaganda in war, and what Chomsky believes is necessary to end the bloodshed in Ukraine.
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[@vka3]

Prof Chomsky is amazingly sharp, analytical, and well read at 93. I wish he lives forever.

[@JohnDoe-do8fh]

I agree. I wish the most powerful man in the world (US president..?) was even half as sharp.

[@kelseymj1975]

It's amazing how well read he is

[@gamer-ff6mh]

Whatever. Lost respect for him when realized he hates Mahatma Gandhi. How hypocritical of him.

[@vka3]

@@gamer-ff6mh Where did you see that clip on Gandhi?

[@kelseymj1975]

@@gamer-ff6mh where did you get that?

[@tododigitalvzla]

Thanks a lot and greeting from Venezuela.

[@lourak613]

Chomsky got Lavrov's statement wrong. Lavrov said "denazification and demilitarization". Chomsky misquotes him as saying "neutralization and demilitarization". Quite a difference!

[@hahanoob1699]

He got a lot wrong, which is intentional.

[@zzRider]

FYI: Chomsky is in his 90's.

[@PG-wz7by]

@lourak613, that stood out to me, too.

[@isinox]

@@hahanoob1699 agreed

[@Wallyworld30]

@@hahanoob1699 I really like Noam but I think your right. He is spinning the narrative He did this in the Bosnian war as well.

[@urieowrjdf]

Super interview! I also would like to thank you for allowing Mr Chomsky to speak without interruption.

[@jnagarya519]

Perhaps you should watch it a second time -- but actually LISTEN CRITICALLY to CHOMSKY'S imperialism.

[@subversivelysurreal3645]

Absolutely, I personally miss Jeremy Scahill visiting Democracy Now, as much as I am SO grateful for our luck that Noam Chomsky is still available and healthy.❤️We’re so fortunate, we who care and therefore understand who is telling us the truth.

[@jnagarya519]

@@subversivelysurreal3645 Chomsky is pushing the false history of Putin. Which is identical to the false history pushed by both Stalin and Hitler. NEVER rely on a single source -- especially as a member of the Chomsky cult.

[@sunrey1938]

Did he say “Voldemort Zelensky” at 7:50? Hahaha

[@fairyprincess911]

It sounded like it😹😹😹

[@johanmetreus1268]

Volodmyr, think he slipped up the Ukrainian equivalent of Vladimir.

[@fairyprincess911]

@@johanmetreus1268 it was funny though, wasn’t it?

[@giogio51592]

as a russian i would instanteneously switch sides if zelensky revealed that he is actually a dark wizard

[@milobarkymcbarkface6846]

@@giogio51592 brilliant, I like the fact you don't actually reveal which side you're on now, in this comment, and in fact with either assumption the "switch" would be hilarious.

[@Mobythemoonie]

Thank you for allowing Professor Chomsky to finish his thoughts.

[@jordanpeterson8414]

Yh its great when people let the interviewed person speak out till they end.

[@jnagarya519]

But without critical evaluation of those thoughts. In this interview he is a mouthpiece for Putin.

[@markfisher6404]

@@jnagarya519 I would argue he presents a critique of Western Imperialism. Remember Ukraine is an issue because the West has sought to pull her into the Western Empire.

[@jnagarya519]

@@markfisher6404 You aren't hearing what he is actually saying: he is asserting that which he believes Ukraine should do -- and is repeating the demands of IMPERIALIST PUTIN. At the very same time that RUSSIA ILLEGALLY invaded Ukraine AND IS AT THE VERY MOMENT ENGAGED IN MASS SLAUGHTER OF CIVILIANS. And get a clue by learning HISTORY. NATO has three basic purposes: 1. To put an end to the hundreds of years of war between and among European nations. In that it has been totally successful. 2. As a defense of Western Europe against IMPERIALIST RUSSIA. 3. As the first line of defense of the UNITED STATES against IMPERIALIST RUSSIA -- "better THEY fight them THERE than WE fight them HERE". There is a young French woman who made a video tour of the D-Day cemetery in France and posted those videos online. The cemetery is laid out by country, and the United States section goes on and on and on and on and on; most of those graves are filled with young men, boys, who didn't live to see their 20th year. That is the PRICE the United States paid in stopping IMPERIALIST HITLER IN BEHALF OF WESTERN EUROPE AND the United States. I have opposed EVERY US war since Vietnam. I was the ONLY member of my high school class to speak out against that involvement and took the heat for doing so -- "draft-dodger"; "Communist" -- and refused to be silenced. I opposed the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq. Saddam Hussein did not have and did not threaten to use chemical or biological weapons, or nukes. But Putin DOES have nukes, AND is threatening to use them. His nukes can reach the United States. Reality and human affairs are not perfect. The Left FALSELY bashes Obama for NOT putting "boots on the ground" in Libya -- which the majority of the US population AGREED WITH: democracy is MAJORITY rule. Instead he told Europe that Libya was in EUROPE'S front yard, not the US's. And the Left actually attacked Obama and Clinton for what happened to Gheddafi. LEARN THE HISTORY: Gheddafi was a dictator and mass murderer -- and a consequence of EUROPEAN -- not US -- imperialism and colonialism in Africa. Let's be HONEST: If a DEMOCRATIC president engages in imperialism, the Left bashes him. If a Democratic president DOESN'T engage in imperialism -- and I'm speaking also to Chomsky's IMPERIALIST selling out of Ukraine -- the Left bashes him. And if a Democratic president acts CO-EQUALLY with the US's allies, in this instance against IMPERIALIST RUSSIA, the Left bashes him. LEARN the history of Russia -- and Hitler -- vis-a-vis Ukraine: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYfOfmdqnN6gZ8U kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZSxYZuHZ8p9j6M

[@jnagarya519]

@@markfisher6404 That's utterly dumb -- ignorant of HISTORY. The ANTI-imperialist says that Ukraine has its own independent right to choose its destiny, its own future. The REPUTATIONAL "anti-imperialist" Chomsky asserts that Ukraine should appease IMPERIALIST Russia by acceding to IMPERIALIST Putin's demands -- which demands are REFUTED by IMPERIALIST Putin's illegal invasion and imposition of his OBVIOUS GENOCIDE on INDEPENDENT Ukraine.

[@user-og1cz6kg2s]

I want this dude to be my grandpa

[@sphos_85]

Same

[@annthomson5648]

Hey jeremy. Thank u for this nice interview

[@Vlad_the_Impaler]

It is OK to not like what your country does, but it doesn't mean you need automatically like what its enemies do.

[@Vlad_the_Impaler]

@Hugues Balzac Where did they teach you to ask such stupid questions?

[@alekzgavriel-russo7453]

@Hugues Balzac The entire interview, Chomskys entire philosophy is "the US is bad and at fault for X event and I must justify that preconception" They were talking about the illegal and immoral invasion of Russia and its actions (like committing warcrimes) but 90% of this video was about the US and how it was somehow at fault for all of it, Tankies cannot conceive anything beyond "US bad".

[@a.k.6059]

According to Lavrov, it was denazification not neutralization of Ukraine

[@a.k.6059]

@@Kaatu-barada-nikto nice try

[@a.k.6059]

@@Kaatu-barada-nikto do you? And about 2004? And 1991 prior to that ?

[@hfalex7703]

@@a.k.6059 what did happen in 2004 and 1991? as i understand pretty much conflict started in 2007-2008. 2007 Putin had his speech about unipolar world at Munich security conference, in 2008 G.W.Bush openly invited Ukraine and Georgia to join NATO.

[@hfalex7703]

@Douglas Cummings umm what do you call exaggeration of nazism in Ukraine? Bandera is a hero. Every year far right radical nationalists hold torch marches in Kiyv and other cities. Nazi battalions are part of militia and army. Pretty much nacism on goverment levels.

[@alekzgavriel-russo7453]

@@hfalex7703 post Interim government the Neo-Nazis got like..1% in the polls, clearly their power is overstated, most of Azov (numbering perhaps 400-800 nazis pre war) are probably all dead already and was only integrated into the UA military because Russia invaded Crimea.

[@asylumofglass]

Thanks for just letting Noam speak as long as he wanted, and for the great questions.

[@fletcherhamilton3177]

Yeah they typically allow the Left to -speak- _rant_ in lieu of interruption.

[@gaulishrealist]

What were the questions? Hey fellow bootlicker, what does it feel like being an old bootlicker?

[@kelcritcarroll]

Omg! An eye opening interview!

[@ShanArshadCh]

World should listen to this Man. Specially America.

[@jekylbg]

Mr. Chomsky is very polite in explaining the situation, admire his modest temper and patience for explaining this over and over again.

[@jnagarya519]

And repeating the Putin line, even though Putin has reverted to RIGHT-wing FASCISM.

[@marnellkent3682]

@@jnagarya519 Exactly what I kept hearing!

[@tulenik71]

@@jnagarya519 Putin was ALWAYS right-wing. He is basically orthodox neocon (US neocons are usually evangelicals).

[@jnagarya519]

@@tulenik71 Uh, no: he was once a "Communist" which is LEFT-wing. "Authoritarian" is right-wing, "totalitarian" is left-wing -- but the impacts of them on the ground are indistinguishable. But in recent speeches Putin has used phrases from Hitler's "Mein Kampf".

[@jnagarya519]

@Caller ID I certainly listened to it. But unlike you I don't limit myself to one source.

[@leeedmunds2539]

Thank you both

[@jonathanshihadeh]

Amazing interview

[@GhostMonkey772]

Noam Chomsky reminds me of a wise wizard.

[@balozhende5727]

He sure looks like one!

[@GeneralMe100]

what an excellent interveiwer Jeremy Scahill is.

[@elhorrendo7026]

I thoroughly agree! I’m glad you noticed and commented on it. Scahill deserves a lot of credit for knowing his stuff. Knowing the subject about which one is interviewing a person is important in knowing what questions to ask, what statements to make to provoke thought and response that both guide the direction of an interview and the subsequent information shared by the interviewee. Very good interview with Professor Chomsky, thanks to Jeremy Scahill.

[@zeyad45]

Brilliant job guys. For some time now I have been waiting for Sir Noam Chomsky to come on air to express his views on the conflict.

[@jnagarya519]

"Sir"? He was knighted by the imperialist British Crown? But you aren't listening to what he is SAYING, which is that Ukraine should appease Russia by acceding to Putin's demands -- and we see that those are: illegal invasion and genocide.

[@asengo141]

22:08 "US is telling Russia there is no way out" - There is a way out, it's to pull out their army out of Ukraine. The fact that Russia won't do that is another thing.

[@HiddenAgendas777]

I often cite from the Intercept, when I read Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent" back in the early 90's, it changed my outlook and influences my political analysis to this day.

[@2msvalkyrie529]

Try " The Simpsons " ? The intellectual content is higher.

[@mymy1646]

@@2msvalkyrie529 Yeah, I'm sure you're more academically accomplished than Chomsky....

[@multidoor6928]

Yeah, and now Chomsky himself engages in manufacturing consent for Russia's war hawks

[@debravictoria7452]

Vox Terra, Haven't read Manufacturing Consent, but thought it an interesting title from someone who wants to separate others from society and keep them from basic necessities because they did not consent. JS 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@natepolidoro4565]

This man is a monument of legend.

[@SteveLondonE9]

Even a legend falls on their sword. Chomsky is round the twist now & anti the right to consent. Go away and listen more carefully to his rantings on the unvaccinated

[@elhorrendo7026]

I couldn’t agree more. Always clear and always positive about the responsibility of each and every one of us to both think for ourselves, find reliable sources of information beyond propaganda and to think about how our actions and inaction (equally important) affect those around us and not just ourselves.

[@johncantu2555]

@@SteveLondonE9 he said there’s no evidence that vaccines don’t work and while he believes the necessities of life should still be given to the willingly unvaccinated in the form of material aid they shouldn’t feel they have the right to be contagious in other peoples communities. You talk about the right of consent as if other people have already consented to your giving them viruses

[@Virgocygni56]

I had similar views but since his views for antivaxx and this idea that Russia is the agressor after what we know what happened with the Minsk agreement and 30 years of Nato encircliment of Russia

[@Thumperoo]

Always a pleasure to listen to Chomsky. Have also watched Lex Fridman's interview of Stephen Kotkin for a balancing view.

[@msavina9129]

Chomsky sounded good. I typically find his voice annoyingly hard to listen to but something seems much improved here. Thx for having him as I’d wondered if anyone had talked to him lately.

I love you Noam. Neither you nor I will be around much longer, I’m afraid. But I for, will think about you with great admiration for all you’ve tried to do for humanity. You will always be my hero, your honesty, decency, courage and intellect, will be remembered and admired for generations to come, you are a real treasure. Thank you for all you’ve taught me, my cup rune the over with gratitude.

[@Aikidoman06]

Chomsky is the greatest trickster in the world. As a linguist who would never been known he has made a good career of convincing people that he knows what he’s talking about.

[@schtoop2234]

@@Aikidoman06 Your conclusion is undeniable sir, all correct thinking people of even average intelligence know that an objective analysis of reality can only lead to trouble and conflict. Far better to go with the current plutocratic narrative, it just works better for everyone that matters.

[@Nea-van-R.]

@@Aikidoman06 Isn't he the one who said that "we", the unvaxxed, should remove ourselves from society, and that it's our Problem how to get food then?

[@Aikidoman06]

@@Nea-van-R. I don’t know. Everything he says is stupid. He’s always wrong and has made tons of predictions that always fall flat. He just hates America but not enough to leave

[@daleculbertson6862]

Thank you 🙏

[@DosEquisMan45]

great interview, loved it

[@paifu.]

4:10 The 2 ways the war can end. 5:05 Official US policy is opposition to negotiations. Says they're for negotiations on one hand, and supports integration of Ukraine into NATO in the other, killing off negotiations. 6:00 Factors encouraging Russian invasion 9:00 Weapons in Ukraine from NATO 15:00 Crimea, Donbass 42:00 India 44:40 China submarines 53:00 Happiness of the military industrial complex and fossil fuel industries

[@BodomBeachKiller]

nice, thanks for that

[@AndrewTate2Prison]

Scahill....told Noam to stfu...He should've doubled down...Noam is stuck in pre social media analysis

[@motomartinski5672]

Or to read find out about the gist of the conversation in a lot less time than having to sit through the whole video... 0:01 - 1:02:20 America, Europe and the free (ish), democratic (ish) western world - Stupid hypocritical and BAD. Bad, bad, bad.. Iraq blah blah, Nicaragua, blah blah, WW1 blah blah. Vietnam... et etc. Bad in the past, bad in the present; culpable for the *Russian dictatorship's* invasion of, and war against Ukraine and crimes against humanity therein. 1:02:20 - Analysis of Putin and his poisoning, murderous, gangster regime as a corrupt dictatorship - and the real reason that they are repulsed at the possible emergence of a free democratic Europhile Ukraine (F all to do with NATO). And the moral duty to give Ukraine the support it requests and _allow Ukraine to take the lead_ in deciding how to proceed and deciding what eventual (unjust) concessions it is prepared to make to the murdering aggressor. And (regardless of the tedious broken record looping of anti-western historical whataboutery)... the need to punish Russia's regime for starting a war of choice in Europe, beginning in 2014.. For bare faced lying to the world and UN. 🤔 Oh wait... Oh dearie me. Again it seems we're out of time for that part of the analysis sports fans. Perhaps some other time, when it's on our agenda eh? Well... Hey you didn't seriously expect this exchange to veer off the usual course did you 😉 😁 Slava 🌻🌻🌻!

[@katrinagarrett9612]

Thanks👍

[@adaxaroo]

@@AndrewTate2Prison are you and I the only ones that see that? Chomsky could be a bit out of touch....

[@shannonwilliams7249]

Here’s a taste of the old Intercept’s flavor and courage. Glad to see you back at it Jeremy. Shout out from Wisconsin.

[@tanyaborysova9327]

Shannon, I am sorry to disappoint you. You don't know what courage is.

[@shannonwilliams7249]

@@tanyaborysova9327 Thanks for the thought.

[@markriley5784]

@@tanyaborysova9327 Neither does Chomsky; but he is good at making millions through the book-publishing arm of the US capitalist machine by writing books condemning the US capitalist machine. He's also good at keeping those millions in tax-protected investment portfolios.

[@SelfTaughtArtist1]

Appreciate you Mr Chomsky.

[@luperamos7307]

Wasn't Wisconsin once a heavily Democratic state? Now it's a state that Republicans can easily win.

[@stregadisalem732]

Does anyone know why Jeremy Scahill stopped hosting Intercepted, the podcast?

[@chrisgrant7450]

I'm guessing he is probably writing a book with accompanying film, a la Dirty Wars. Otherwise he might be bored of the show.

[@stregadisalem732]

@@chrisgrant7450 I really enjoyed his stories, his interviews, his narration. It was comforting after Trump was elected. But he’s busy with lots of other projects I imagine.

[@aliciamartinez3883]

Maravillosa entrevista .... gracias

[@chessdaddy0720]

I am going to add this link in the comments of CNN/NBC/FOX as many as possible. This interview is so instrutive, well thought and most importantly unbiased view of world current affairs and history. Thank you professor Chomsky, and wish you will be healthy for a long long time. The world needs you.

[@s.fleming2441]

You think this is unbiased? Why does he give no attention to Russian imperialism while endless bringing up American imperialism from unrelated times and conflicts? When russian imperialism is actually the topic at hand. That's not unbiased. Chomsky is one of the most biased people speaking about America. He is completely polarized into supporting whatever isn't american

[@eduardhubner3421]

I wasn't aware there was still actual journalism being done at the Intercept since Glenn Greenwald left. Thank you for the great interview!

[@rezakarampour6286]

Search . Noam Chomsky : US IS World's Biggest Terrorist ib the World '

[@jnagarya519]

Glenn Greenwald is an extremist ideological hack. Chomsky is that AND a burn-out; he's still living in the pre-McCarthy 1940s-50s.

[@chantalgagnon6014]

Wow! Thank you !

[@speredon6175]

Very smart explanation! Thank you!!

[@shea086]

People should listen to Mr.Ñoam Chomsky. He has been around since the Cuban Missile crisis and Jfk assasination. He spoke then.. THE same as now. Common sense.US actions roar a thousand words...

[@HiddenAgendas777]

He is an extremely important thinker and observer. After reading his "Manufacturing Consent" it changed my perspective. I use his basic media - corporate analysis to explain why we have not addressed climate change.

[@ML-my8qq]

@jaleel appleseed who hasn’t been?

[@antoliynewyork806]

Russian KGB agent NC

[@antoliynewyork806]

@jaleel appleseed both of them get sponsors from KGB FSB

[@elhorrendo7026]

Chomsky is always a voice of reason. He is unjustly a pariah because he always points the finger back at “us” and our perspective in the “west”. Speakers of truth will always be pariahs and will rarely be given the just credit they deserve and never crave. I’m dreading the day we lose his ongoing voice of sanity and humility. I have read and my bookshelf is full all his books I can get my hands on. Thank you Mr Chomsky. I discovered your work at uni in a compulsory foundation course in social science. And I found my place as a writer and more importantly always a student. Learning and sharing the truth and seeing through “the matrix” of propaganda and power.

[@marshadingle3550]

This comment is so great. I feel the same. I'm scared to lose one of the last sane voices we have in the USA.

[@elhorrendo7026]

@@marshadingle3550 Thank you for your reply, Marsha! It’s great to know People like Chomsky (one of my heroes... well, I don’t really have heroes, because that usually involves the elevation of a person/people above others and ourselves - and most people’s heroes tend to be famous and often somewhat arbitrary from my point of view- but people I admire and respect) is respected by others. Especially in the US. If the voices of Americans, like Professor Chomsky are not heard in America, then we are all in danger of a precarious future.

[@s.fleming2441]

Chomsky is a fossil. It's obvious he isn't learning anything anymore. Not if it requires him to put down the anti American brand he built his whole life. He is actually wrong about so many things and refuses to answer them directly regarding russian imperialism. It's not refreshing. It's gross

[@mariansnyder2475]

Thank you

[@erpthompsonqueen9130]

Thank you.

[@GhostFromTheFuture]

The unanswered question to me is: What do we do now? How do we bring change to this situation?

[@jnagarya519]

Chomsky's answer is that Ukraine should appease Russia by acceding to Putin's transparently false demands -- which demands are REFUTED by Putin's ACTIONS.

[@Richard-hv5hh]

Well I am reminded by Churchill's saying. " You cannot negotiate with a tiger when your head is in its mouth" Masses of countries have tried to negotiate with Putin on this as well as the Ukrainians. Chomsky is assuming that you actually can negotiate with Putin but I fear you cannot.

[@helen7816]

Putin did try to negotiate with Blinken around the end of Jan or early Feb, but he was rejected offhand by Blinken.

[@Richard-hv5hh]

@@helen7816 Well if Putin's position was I am going to invade regardless then I don't blame Blinken who seems sensible, clever and decent. I think the wrongs and rights are very clear here. I am sorry the Russians can't get their act together to create a democracy. Shame on them. Putin is utterly dangerous, reckless and yes this could get very much worse. But it's not America's fault at all and the civiluzed non autocratic world seems pretty united in supporting the Ukrainians.

[@Wallyworld30]

Russia has lied about everything in this war to the west and it's own citizens. They agreed to free pass for Civilians out of Mariupol and when they started leaving they started hitting the refugees with artillery. They did Genocide in Bucha. Russia needs to be stopped full stop.

[@cameronpatterson130]

When has Ukraine tried negotiating? Ukraine was talking about retaking Crimea through force before Russia invaded. If zelenskiyy accepted a deal that didn’t include the return of Crimea which as Noam correctly points out is a non starter, the now well armed Ukrainian far right will kill him and take over the country. The US sees its strategic interest in fighting Russia until the last Ukrainian. It weakens Russia to bog them down in Ukraine. Europe will look for energy elsewhere, possibly to more US imports. And US arm manufacturers are getting even richer flooding Ukraine with weapons. What true US interest is there in a ceasefire?

[@MrBendylaw]

Noam has the mind of an eminently reasonable and rational man; I think he stumbles a bit when delving into abnormal psychologies; he considers them from within himself. I think this is a common problem with leaders on the left; they've never been messed with much by people of this type on a personal level, because of their status and power; so they don't have a real, intense, familiar understanding of that kind of crazy. They're a bit distant about the level of abuse these people are capable of.

[@ancapad]

Thank you, sirs.

[@nicola185]

Every one in the world should watch and listen to this. Thank you!!! Thank you Noam. I read your books at university decades ago and now I am listening to this! Geo politics and philosophy at its very best.

[@paoloangaroni1907]

Last time I heard him speak, after a decade of boiling frog's theory telling, he was furiously yelling about preventing with the use of force non-Vax from entering into supermarket to get their food supplies..nice one! Still giving him credit?!

[@printworkersbarcelona7086]

Thank you for this amazing conversation.

[@absoluterefusal]

"...if my memory is correct..." There aren't too many memories as reliable as his. Regardless, what a beautiful and trenchant analysis. Unheard from any other source. Noam's work is and has always been a public treasure. This is the most informative segment of any medium I've seen on the subject. Thank you!

[@safanamakhdoomable]

Professor Chomsky is the top public intellectual but Rich Medhurst is doing a great job on this conflict, check him out!

[@cupiduspacis4209]

Also follow the commentary of Scott Ritter, Ray McGovern, Alexander Mercouris, Col. Douglas MacGregor,, Patrick Lancaster, Dr. Gerald Horne, The New Atlas, The Grayzone, etc

[@platosbeard4449]

Prof Chomsky has had a glittering career as an arm chair critic of US foreign policy. His memory is impeccable, but that only pertains to the authenticity of what he has read. In his analysis of foreign countries however has always been through a chauvinistic lens of western superiority. He is ultimately ineffectual in dealing with the thick layers of lies spouted by the west in the geopolitical arena and falls victim to these lies, despite maintaining his criticisms of the US. He really needs to retire.

[@n661]

@@platosbeard4449 It's true..I don't find his analysis specific enough..he makes way too many broad sweeping generalisations. Afterall, geopolitics really isn't his field. He's more of a linguist and social critic than a credible political scientist.

[@sosebee2]

@@cupiduspacis4209 All good People. With the mountains of propaganda that MSM is subjecting the populations to it's important to have legitamate sources of information one can turn to.

[@kha6905]

👏thank for your words and mind

[@Jad3dJane]

Noam is delivering his knowledge so peacefully, the facts are all there, let us pledge for a negotiated settlement, in order to spare innocent human life, Thank you Noam and Jeremy.

[@leslumieres1237]

As ever, a well-thought out reaction of a man who has been fightung his entire life against injustice. Thank you Prof.Chomsky !

[@jnagarya519]

That's why he's pushing Putin's false-history propaganda?

[@paddymurphy1320]

He is given an opinion based on the narrative given by western main stream media. Which, of course has absolutely no credibility. This war has been fought for the last 8 years. Crickets for 7 of them. But the WEF wants us out of our cars so we need a fuel hike and this is how they will do it. They want us to stop eating meat too, so, Drum roll-- Ta-Dah-- Foot and mouth out breaks, Avian flu and positive C tests on chickens. Biden goes on about White supremacy and how the MAGA crowd are dangerous. and they want people to give up their guns--Hey presto. Chomsky can't see anything wrong with the official 911 story. This world is about to turn to shit unless people start seeing how they play us.

[@igorlalin7569]

One of the most important and incredibly insightful philosophers of modern times.

[@rezakarampour6286]

Watch : ' Noam Chomsky : US Is World's Biggest Terrorist In The World '

[@piotrjanowski9141]

Yeah, so what? He has no idea what is going on between Russia and Ukraine. Does he speak Russian or Ukrainian at all?

[@cr34t0red7]

@@piotrjanowski9141 and how do you know whats going on?

[@piotrjanowski9141]

@@cr34t0red7 Because I live here.

[@cr34t0red7]

@@piotrjanowski9141 where “here”?? Plus just because you live “there” doesnt mean you know whats going on!

[@ronjcharity]

Great interview

[@MaitreyaNow]

What a beautiful man. If humanity survives this century it will be in part because of this guy. Or blind luck.

[@sammavaca5714]

This interview was long awaited. Telling and hearing the truth is the only way towards sanity. How will we ever overcome our collective psychosis if and when geniuses like Noam disappear?

[@hopesnopes]

Thank you, Samma Vaca- yes, we desperately need to hear Chomsky and any others who realize that the main goal must be to stop the slaughter. This current path of winning at any cost is a tragic manifestation of what you so rightly call "our collective psychosis". Continuing this path ensures more death, more displacement and reducing even more of Ukraine to rubble.

[@lotusseed355]

The most profound interview I've heard so far. Thank you Jeremy for providing it and big Thank you, Noam, for your unceasing courage and brilliance.

[@annac.naumann1394]

Thanks so much, Noam Chomsky, I hope you will be with us for a long time to come, we need you and your thinking and your courage

[@josephlee4337]

Both men are freedom fighters and truth-tellers! Honorable men in my book.

[@abuahmed6058]

Noam chomsky is a very respected scholar throughout the world who condemned war on Iraq and Afghanistan by the US and the West .

[@axlslak]

and now he is basically giving excuses to the russians to do the same. isn't he a sweetheart. every morning when you open up your tv and see new children killed, just remember doctor chomsky and his honorary shit. coz that's what matters.

[@2msvalkyrie529]

He always condemns the " West "..! He's been condemning the West for the last 50 years.

[@JigilJigil]

Noam Chomsky favorite regimes are Russia, China, Iran, North Korea and Venezuela, he is a gem.

[@RicardoPetinga]

@@JigilJigil why are you lying?

[@szvqorwnpstahskypfwmp9821]

@@JigilJigil Really??

[@katieak9796]

Thank you for your wisdom. I hope people will listen and follow to your advice, dear Mr. Chomsky.

[@jnagarya519]

His "advice" is that Ukraine should appease IMPERIALIST Russia by ceding to Russia's IMPERIALIST demands.

[@Chowringhee]

A profoundly important discussion. Thank you for presenting it to us when it is needed most.

[@jnagarya519]

But see Timpthy Snyder for the actual history of which Chomsky seems blithely unaware.

[@amanjsalehi]

To the wonderful Professor Chomsky🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹

[@user-nw2si7hu3u]

One of the most intelligent and accurate convos on the topic I’ve ever heard here

[@abbynormal9973]

Great interview Jeremy 👏🏻 it was a pleasure watching & listening for the hour. It’s a shame that real questions & ideas that you both discussed will never be aired in the mainstream 😢

[@kummer45]

I always wanted a clean responsible interpretation of what is going on. Noam supplied an extraordinary insight. I wish that more people watch this carefully. This is something that EVERYBODY should pay attention.

[@LuisPereira-bn8jq]

No, it wasn't. I'll be honest, generally Chomsky is a delight to listen to, but here he comes across as uninformed to the point of delusion. Is this better than the mainstream? Maybe marginally. But in *no way* does this interview address the "real questions & ideas" needed to understand this war. If you want something that gives you actual context, and doesn't try to pretend that a Russia-Ukraine war is all about the US, a good start would be Chris Hayes interview of Timothy Snyder in "Why is this happening". To really understand what Russia wants you need to understand the History of the region. And when you do, you'll understand that much of what Chomsky is suggesting is unfeasible: "settlements" can only occur after Putin feels like he's lost. That's the reality of the situation.

[@fairyprincess911]

@@kummer45 You have to have a bit of understanding to even listen so the audience becomes select to begin with, unfortunately.

[@Shoggunik]

So far I see one glaring.... I fear to call it mistake but a hole in argumentation. War ends in one side destruction or negotiation - sure. But just because Russia won't be destroyed, doesn't mean we cannot push them to have worse negotiation position so end result of negotiation is more favourable for Ukraine and Western world. So this point doesn't undermine sending military aid and helping Ukraine fight as much as possible.

[@mikexhotmail]

At what cost? Will you join the front line yourself?

[@Shoggunik]

@@mikexhotmail If you ask me personally - no. I don't want to neither I know how to fight. I don't think I would be good contribution on the front line - but I could work on IT side of things. I don't advocate forcing people to fight. But so far Ukranians seems to have a will to fight and I'm all for supporting them in it as much as we can.

[@newmoonjlp]

Excellent interview as always. Chomsky always brings the receipts.

[@terencemckenna6468]

What receipts? Chomsky lost his marbles. He’s old and rtrded

[@Mahmoud-hl8jt]

Thank you so much for this wonderful interview. We all have been waiting for Professor's Chomsky inputs on this new episode of the old game of powers. God bless you Professor.

[@HiddenAgendas777]

Yes, after I read Chomsky in the early 90's I saw our media in a completely different light, he influences my speaking to this day.

[@r.m8146]

Yeah, and after so much wait we have to listen to this horseshit

[@jnagarya519]

What you mean "all,"? And it can't be proven that there is a "God". Oh, right: "God" permits mass slaughter, and then we praise "Him" as "merciful," and ask for MORE of the same "blessings". Ever notice that your "God" is on EVERY side in EVERY war? And that your "merciful God" never steps in and stops the bloodshed? Perhaps if "He" were less enthusiastic about "objectively" supporting ALL sides "He" wouldn't be paralyzed with indecision.

[@ozmoe754]

God, ha, now there's a war criminal if ever there was.

[@stephengilbert5612]

I always love listening to the great wisdom and knowledge of Noam .👍

[@2msvalkyrie529]

Try Homer Simpson. ? You'll learn a lot more .

[@ARCTERYXSWEATSHOP]

He's made multiple mistakes about Ukraine, Russia & the USA in this interview.

[@enthuesd]

Spectacular thank you for

[@jironymojirolamus913]

Great interview, enlightening pov on the situation

[@irishlebvet]

Wow !, an outstanding and very informative discussion.

[@HiddenAgendas777]

Yes, Chomsky's work was very influential for me.

[@jnagarya519]

Only as affirmation of your existing views -- and blinders. He is totally missing the point in his "advice" that Ukraine -- which is an independent country -- should appease Russia by capitulating to Russia's imperialist demands. Ukraine doesn't need to "demilitarize"; it needs to increase its military defense against the ILLEGAL Russian invasion.

[@vinlondon8904]

@@jnagarya519 and your views aren't an affirmation of the narrative installed by your government?

[@gatorbuc99]

@@jnagarya519 so…fight to the last Ukrainian . Got it. Easy for you to say when it’s not your loved ones dying for no reason .

[@jnagarya519]

@@vinlondon8904 I don't "do" buzzwords such as "narratives". I adhere to facts and law. As the US democracy is founded on the rule of law -- it is, "A system of Laws, and not of men" (John Adams) -- I affirm facts and law. In place of swallowing -- "affirming" -- Chomsky's reputation LISTEN to what he's ACTUALLY SAYING. In THIS his "narrative" is to assert that Ukraine should do as Putin demands. Watch some videos with Timothy Snyder: he will explain the history of Ukraine, and Stalin -- starved some 4 million Ukrainians to death, and Hitler -- who murdered millions of Ukrainians. Those two and Putin have the same view: that Ukraine doesn't exist as a "state" or "country" and that there is no such thing as "Ukrainians". And those two and Putin share the same goal: to exterminate all Ukrainians. Given the choice as to what Ukraine should do I'll take the word of Ukraine over Chomsky's -- or Putin's -- 24/7.

[@paulinekononovich5398]

thank you

[@ponte34]

Noam is a gem so is Jeremy

[@jnagarya519]

On this issue they have their heads so far up their own and each others asses that they appear normal to the uncritical eye -- and ear.

[@ARCTERYXSWEATSHOP]

They carry water for the Kremlin

[@Bob-sb7sp]

Excellent analysis...our world today...scary the way we deal with human life on earth.

[@imminenthope8970]

its slightly biased. The Nazi crimes in Ukraine are far greater than these luke warm journalists will say. Grey Zone is doing fierce journalism.

[@markmclean4144]

Thank you Mr Chomsky for your honest opinions and facts about what is really happening in the world today...the world would be a safer place today if world leaders listened more closely...i only wish i listened to his lectures earlier...brilliant mind

[@MD-xl9df]

Gargle Gargle

[@TheGoodGoodMan]

Thanks

[@1984levani]

Still the voice of reason, even after 90 years of age...and still one of the best man to ask for the opinion in the entire US left spectrum.

[@Jad3dJane]

Thank you Noam, for your clarity on this subject, we now hope that the negotiated settlement will soon take place, you are an inspiration and a true hero for us who wants peace.

[@SebastianFlack]

Thanks a lot! Keep going. We need more people like this! We need a new and honest peace-policy.

[@SteveLondonE9]

We no longer need Chomsky. He has lost it totally now. On covid he spoke like a fascist

[@reggiebald2830]

The Intercept always deserves our support for it's often excellent work, but none more so than for this tremendous interview! As I did; please give what you are able to offer ~

[@jodie6881]

this should be in the mainstream media and not the usual propaganda,

[@ramongonzales2292]

Great questions; great answers.

[@Elisa-mg3rc]

Thank you Jeremmy, you're one of the last decent existing journalists

[@CariMachet]

Jeremy Scahill works in public relations

[@abcxyz123]

one of the last is an unfair statement. But there are definitely not enough.

[@AnnaRchy77]

Look into Patrick Lancaster: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJ3SnH13irCbfKc

[@AnnaRchy77]

@Chris Rock I have seen all his videos. There are some people from Mariupol which say that they don't know. There are even some who blame Russia. But the majority is pro-Russian. And that's not surprising, as the Ukrainian politics has been terrorizing Russian minorities there - and Eastern Ukraine to a big extent sees themselves as Russian. Not phony and not biased, in my view. Look at other journalists who have been covering Donbas: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mH-ZaYKce7CUjdU Please stop pushing your imperialist narrative of Russian propaganda.

[@AnnaRchy77]

@Chris Rock Well, okay, I'll give you the benefit of doubt. Can you please give me an example, respectively, where presumably: - he used old video which was presented as new, - he staged some scenes. Thanks in advance.

[@dandearborn727]

Where can I get a transcript of this?

[@kylesavy6250]

It's a shame that most westerners who support the west will never hear this wonderful discussion.

[@nataliyaveit5361]

so maybe we should do our best and try to spread this important talk. I've posted it in my status on skype and WhatsApp, for example, and also forwarded it to my friends. As Chomsky says, it is a lot an individual can do to make a change

[@JobHuntingAbroad]

Thank you for this interview, I find world politics so fast moving, complicated and most of the time hard to decipher so an interview with an amazing mind like Chomsky's helps give clarity on this very complex subject. Nothing is black and white.

[@jnagarya519]

Chomsky's "clarity" is to make it really simple: Ukraine should appease IMPERIALIST Russia by giving in the IMPERIALIST Putin's demands. Putin's goal being identical to those of Stalin and Hitler: the total annihilation of the Ukrainian people. GENOCIDE.

[@ARCTERYXSWEATSHOP]

He's made multiple mistakes about Ukraine, Russia & the USA in this interview.

[@mygirldarby]

Was Nazi Germany not black and white? There is objective truth, right or wrong, black or white. To believe otherwise only supports the wrongdoer.

[@drawingablank746]

@@ARCTERYXSWEATSHOP Please share them.

[@jnagarya519]

"Amazing minds" are still imperfect and make mistakes. Chomsky is pushing Putin's false propaganda.

[@EVEROSFP1]

It's a pleasure to listen to this man's thoughts.

[@chrishall5141]

For your own good, please don’t. What a terrible human being who is responsible for the deaths of millions of people. You must be a rocket scientist to believe this.

[@igorDobrowolski1]

Amazing

[@Muzikman127]

When Chomsky refers to the positions of the US government as outlined on the whitehouse website at ~19:50, does anyone know specifically to what he's referring here?

[@Muzikman127]

@@boctunes1853 fucking insightful

[@realtruth9346]

What a wise man, I am depply impressed!!! Thanks 🙏 for this important interview, please share it as I did. That’s I think the only thing we can do not having power…

[@Jan96106]

I wonder if he would have the same opinion about being careful not to give too much aid because he's worried about escalating the situation if his grandchildren and other family members were in there Ukraine being slaughtered?

[@vinlondon8904]

If anyone's grandchildren were in the war, you'd want that war to full stop. No little or a lot of aid will make a difference in the casualties.

[@frankjaeger2565]

@@vinlondon8904 I wouldn't want them to be beaten and raped by the enemy, I'd rather give them a chance to defend themselves

[@frankjaeger2565]

@@martiendejong8857 the Azov batallion makes up for 0.5% of Ukrainian armed forces. Insisting that Ukrain is a Neo-nazi Country because of that is just Russian propaganda

[@jantorenaustheller4553]

Very interesting. Two very important voices.

[@woulfe42]

Noam Chomsky looks like the grand wizard from lord of the rings. Lol….

[@erixariddell2172]

Noam Chomsky! I'm your biggest fan. 👍

[@reggiebald2830]

Wow; I do believe you've about said it all and as usual, brought me to tears for my fellow human beings! Once again, thank you to The Intercept for bring us the difficult TRUTH!

[@jnagarya519]

Yeah: the difficult truth that Chomsky is asserting that Ukraine should appease Russia by doing that which Russia demands -- while Russia is ILLEGALLY invading Ukraine and committing genocide. The difficult truth is that Chomsky is no less imperialist than the imperialists he condemns.

[@Starclimber]

@@jnagarya519 Okay, genius, tell EVERYONE what should be done. WHAT'S THE FUCKING PLAN? You seem to be the only one who knows, so DO IT: spill the fucking beans. Tell us what step one is: no fly zone? Suicide bombers inside every Ukrainian house? And then describe step two in detail, if you can spare the time. I can't begin to imagine what that is, because I'm even dumber than Chomsky. And finally, give us your best estimate of the casualties you anticipate if the nations involved were to follow your unimpeachably correct advice. THANKS.

[@costanalexandru5120]

What laws did they break? And what do you think USA would have done if Mexico would have killed thousands of americans in the laat 8 years and become communist all of a sudden?

[@jnagarya519]

@@costanalexandru5120 You don't make sense.

[@costanalexandru5120]

@@jnagarya519 Oh really ? So If China tomorrow forces Mexico into communism through "elections" ... and starts killing american people ... I guess USA would do nothing .. Wich part doesn't make sense ?

[@Practical.Wisdom]

Excellent interview, great insights from Noam, as always. Thank you!

[@TheRajmoney]

Henry kissinger interviewing noam chomsky is the best.

[@javierharth3647]

Great man, Noam Chomsky! Lovely man, bring tears to my eyes... " If you don't care about Ukranians, stay silent! “ Those who follow in his footsteps are righteous people; we'll need all of you!!

[@maryannecomment3302]

Thank you for saying that negotiation is the only solution that saves lives and prevents destruction. The war is a distraction, not a solution. It is terrible. People lose their lives, the country will be destroyed, and soldiers will have to fight until the end. And then they still will have to negotiate for their future as a country.

[@gatorbuc99]

Exactly correct. It’s sad that so many political leaders in the west are completely OK with using Ukrainians as cannon fodder, while unbelievably claiming to “support Ukraine”, pouring weapons in that only exacerbate and prolong the conflict (thus resulting in more and more deaths)…it’s even sadder that so many have been propagandized into believing this is the correct position.

[@koroglurustem1722]

Thank God, Gandalf is still with us

[@davidmc9367]

i thought the intro music would never end

[@CaroleMora22]

Noam Chomsky is such a treasured elder. HIs clarity of intelligence is sparkling and refreshing, in ways that also carry a variety of thoughtful human compassion that is so needed. Thank you for this wonderful dialogue, steadily steered by Jeremy Scahill.

[@oodalollyproductions9345]

Love you Noam ❤️ Thank you for still educating the masses, if we could only listen more attentively. Your wisdom is priceless ~_~

[@naddamhoussam8705]

What a great man,thank you for this lovely interview,we learn a lot of things,than very much and wish you luck in fighting misinformation and in fighting the spread of lies and hatred around the globe !