Noam Chomsky and Jeremy Scahill on the Russia-Ukraine War, the Media, Propaganda, and Accountability

[@lourak613]

Chomsky got Lavrov's statement wrong. Lavrov said "denazification and demilitarization". Chomsky misquotes him as saying "neutralization and demilitarization". Quite a difference!

[@hahanoob1699]

He got a lot wrong, which is intentional.

[@zzRider]

FYI: Chomsky is in his 90's.

[@PG-wz7by]

@lourak613, that stood out to me, too.

[@AI3Dorinte]

@@hahanoob1699 agreed

[@Wallyworld30]

@@hahanoob1699 I really like Noam but I think your right. He is spinning the narrative He did this in the Bosnian war as well.

[@dispersionlostinthestars]

Thank you for allowing Professor Chomsky to finish his thoughts.

[@jordanpeterson8414]

Yh its great when people let the interviewed person speak out till they end.

[@jnagarya519]

But without critical evaluation of those thoughts. In this interview he is a mouthpiece for Putin.

[@markfisher6404]

@@jnagarya519 I would argue he presents a critique of Western Imperialism. Remember Ukraine is an issue because the West has sought to pull her into the Western Empire.

[@jnagarya519]

@@markfisher6404 You aren't hearing what he is actually saying: he is asserting that which he believes Ukraine should do -- and is repeating the demands of IMPERIALIST PUTIN. At the very same time that RUSSIA ILLEGALLY invaded Ukraine AND IS AT THE VERY MOMENT ENGAGED IN MASS SLAUGHTER OF CIVILIANS. And get a clue by learning HISTORY. NATO has three basic purposes: 1. To put an end to the hundreds of years of war between and among European nations. In that it has been totally successful. 2. As a defense of Western Europe against IMPERIALIST RUSSIA. 3. As the first line of defense of the UNITED STATES against IMPERIALIST RUSSIA -- "better THEY fight them THERE than WE fight them HERE". There is a young French woman who made a video tour of the D-Day cemetery in France and posted those videos online. The cemetery is laid out by country, and the United States section goes on and on and on and on and on; most of those graves are filled with young men, boys, who didn't live to see their 20th year. That is the PRICE the United States paid in stopping IMPERIALIST HITLER IN BEHALF OF WESTERN EUROPE AND the United States. I have opposed EVERY US war since Vietnam. I was the ONLY member of my high school class to speak out against that involvement and took the heat for doing so -- "draft-dodger"; "Communist" -- and refused to be silenced. I opposed the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq. Saddam Hussein did not have and did not threaten to use chemical or biological weapons, or nukes. But Putin DOES have nukes, AND is threatening to use them. His nukes can reach the United States. Reality and human affairs are not perfect. The Left FALSELY bashes Obama for NOT putting "boots on the ground" in Libya -- which the majority of the US population AGREED WITH: democracy is MAJORITY rule. Instead he told Europe that Libya was in EUROPE'S front yard, not the US's. And the Left actually attacked Obama and Clinton for what happened to Gheddafi. LEARN THE HISTORY: Gheddafi was a dictator and mass murderer -- and a consequence of EUROPEAN -- not US -- imperialism and colonialism in Africa. Let's be HONEST: If a DEMOCRATIC president engages in imperialism, the Left bashes him. If a Democratic president DOESN'T engage in imperialism -- and I'm speaking also to Chomsky's IMPERIALIST selling out of Ukraine -- the Left bashes him. And if a Democratic president acts CO-EQUALLY with the US's allies, in this instance against IMPERIALIST RUSSIA, the Left bashes him. LEARN the history of Russia -- and Hitler -- vis-a-vis Ukraine: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYfOfmdqnN6gZ8U kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZSxYZuHZ8p9j6M

[@jnagarya519]

@@markfisher6404 That's utterly dumb -- ignorant of HISTORY. The ANTI-imperialist says that Ukraine has its own independent right to choose its destiny, its own future. The REPUTATIONAL "anti-imperialist" Chomsky asserts that Ukraine should appease IMPERIALIST Russia by acceding to IMPERIALIST Putin's demands -- which demands are REFUTED by IMPERIALIST Putin's illegal invasion and imposition of his OBVIOUS GENOCIDE on INDEPENDENT Ukraine.

[@vka3]

Prof Chomsky is amazingly sharp, analytical, and well read at 93. I wish he lives forever.

[@JohnDoe-do8fh]

I agree. I wish the most powerful man in the world (US president..?) was even half as sharp.

[@kelseymj1975]

It's amazing how well read he is

[@gamer-ff6mh]

Whatever. Lost respect for him when realized he hates Mahatma Gandhi. How hypocritical of him.

[@vka3]

@@gamer-ff6mh Where did you see that clip on Gandhi?

[@kelseymj1975]

@@gamer-ff6mh where did you get that?

[@sunrey1938]

Did he say “Voldemort Zelensky” at 7:50? Hahaha

[@fairyprincess911]

It sounded like it😹😹😹

[@johanmetreus1268]

Volodmyr, think he slipped up the Ukrainian equivalent of Vladimir.

[@fairyprincess911]

@@johanmetreus1268 it was funny though, wasn’t it?

[@giogio51592]

as a russian i would instanteneously switch sides if zelensky revealed that he is actually a dark wizard

[@milobarkymcbarkface6846]

@@giogio51592 brilliant, I like the fact you don't actually reveal which side you're on now, in this comment, and in fact with either assumption the "switch" would be hilarious.

[@tododigitalvzla]

Thanks a lot and greeting from Venezuela.

[@urieowrjdf]

Super interview! I also would like to thank you for allowing Mr Chomsky to speak without interruption.

[@jnagarya519]

Perhaps you should watch it a second time -- but actually LISTEN CRITICALLY to CHOMSKY'S imperialism.

[@subversivelysurreal3645]

Absolutely, I personally miss Jeremy Scahill visiting Democracy Now, as much as I am SO grateful for our luck that Noam Chomsky is still available and healthy.❤️We’re so fortunate, we who care and therefore understand who is telling us the truth.

[@jnagarya519]

@@subversivelysurreal3645 Chomsky is pushing the false history of Putin. Which is identical to the false history pushed by both Stalin and Hitler. NEVER rely on a single source -- especially as a member of the Chomsky cult.

[@a.k.6059]

According to Lavrov, it was denazification not neutralization of Ukraine

[@a.k.6059]

@@Kaatu-barada-nikto nice try

[@a.k.6059]

@@Kaatu-barada-nikto do you? And about 2004? And 1991 prior to that ?

[@hfalex7703]

@@a.k.6059 what did happen in 2004 and 1991? as i understand pretty much conflict started in 2007-2008. 2007 Putin had his speech about unipolar world at Munich security conference, in 2008 G.W.Bush openly invited Ukraine and Georgia to join NATO.

[@hfalex7703]

@Douglas Cummings umm what do you call exaggeration of nazism in Ukraine? Bandera is a hero. Every year far right radical nationalists hold torch marches in Kiyv and other cities. Nazi battalions are part of militia and army. Pretty much nacism on goverment levels.

[@alekzgavriel-russo7453]

@@hfalex7703 post Interim government the Neo-Nazis got like..1% in the polls, clearly their power is overstated, most of Azov (numbering perhaps 400-800 nazis pre war) are probably all dead already and was only integrated into the UA military because Russia invaded Crimea.

[@Vlad_the_Impaler]

It is OK to not like what your country does, but it doesn't mean you need automatically like what its enemies do.

[@Vlad_the_Impaler]

@Hugues Balzac Where did they teach you to ask such stupid questions?

[@alekzgavriel-russo7453]

@Hugues Balzac The entire interview, Chomskys entire philosophy is "the US is bad and at fault for X event and I must justify that preconception" They were talking about the illegal and immoral invasion of Russia and its actions (like committing warcrimes) but 90% of this video was about the US and how it was somehow at fault for all of it, Tankies cannot conceive anything beyond "US bad".

[@moderneurope]

Dear Professor Chomsky, We are a group of Ukrainian academic economists who were grieved by a series of your recent interviews and commentaries on the Russian war on Ukraine. We believe that your public opinion on this matter is counter-productive to bringing an end to the unjustified Russian invasion of Ukraine and all the deaths and suffering it has brought into our home country. Having familiarized ourselves with the body of your interviews on this matter, we noticed several recurring fallacies in your line of argument. In what follows, we wish to point out these patterns to you, alongside our brief response: Pattern #1: Denying Ukraine’s sovereign integrity In your interview to Jeremy Scahill at The Intercept from April 14, 2022 you claimed: “The fact of the matter is Crimea is off the table. We may not like it. Crimeans apparently do like it.” We wish to bring to your attention several historical facts: First, Russia’s annexation of Crimea in 2014 has violated the Budapest memorandum (in which it promised to respect and protect Ukrainian borders, including Crimea), the Treaty on Friendship, Partnership and Cooperation (which it signed with Ukraine in 1997 with the same promises), and, according to the order of the UN International Court of Justice, it violated the international law. Second, “Crimeans” is not an ethnicity or a cohesive group of people-but Crimean Tatars are. These are the indigenous people of Crimea, who were deported by Stalin in 1944 (and were able to come back home only after the USSR fell apart), and were forced to flee again in 2014 when Russia occupied Crimea. Of those who stayed, dozens have been persecuted, jailed on false charges and missing, probably dead. Third, if by “liking” you refer to the outcome of the Crimean “referendum” on March 16, 2014, please note that this “referendum” was held at gunpoint and declared invalid by the General Assembly of the United Nations. At the same time, the majority of voters in Crimea supported Ukraine’s independence in 1991. Pattern #2: Treating Ukraine as an American pawn on a geo-political chessboard Whether willingly or unwillingly, your interviews insinuate that Ukrainians are fighting with Russians because the US instigated them to do so, that Euromaidan happened because the US tried to detach Ukraine from the Russian sphere of influence, etc. Such an attitude denies the agency of Ukraine and is a slap in the face to millions of Ukrainians who are risking their lives for the desire to live in a free country. Simply put, have you considered the possibility that Ukrainians would like to detach from the Russian sphere of influence due to a history of genocide, cultural oppression, and constant denial of the right to self-determination? Pattern #3. Suggesting that Russia was threatened by NATO In your interviews, you are eager to bring up the alleged promise by [US Secretary of State] James Baker and President George H.W. Bush to Gorbachev that, if he agreed to allow a unified Germany to rejoin NATO, the US would ensure that NATO would move “not one inch eastward.” First, please note that the historicity of this promise is highly contested among scholars, although Russia has been active in promoting it. The premise is that NATO’s eastward expansion left Putin with no other choice but to attack. But the reality is different. Eastern European states joined, and Ukraine and Georgia aspired to join NATO, in order to defend themselves from Russian imperialism. They were right in their aspirations, given that Russia did attack Georgia in 2008 and Ukraine in 2014. Moreover, current requests by Finland and Sweden to join NATO came in direct response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, consistent with NATO expansion being a consequence of Russian imperialism, and not vice versa. In addition, we disagree with the notion that sovereign nations shouldn’t be making alliances based on the will of their people because of disputed verbal promises made by James Baker and George H.W. Bush to Gorbachev. Pattern #4. Stating that the US isn’t any better than Russia While you admittedly call the Russian invasion of Ukraine a “war crime,” it appears to us that you cannot do so without naming in the same breath all of the past atrocities committed by the US abroad (e.g., in Iraq or Afghanistan) and, ultimately, spending most of your time discussing the latter. As economists, we are not in a position to correct your historical metaphors and, needless to say, we condemn the unjustified killings of civilians by any power in the past. However, not bringing Putin up on war crime charges at the International Criminal Court in the Hague just because some past leader did not receive similar treatment would be the wrong conclusion to draw from any historical analogy. In contrast, we argue that prosecuting Putin for the war crimes that are being deliberately committed in Ukraine would set an international precedent for the world leaders attempting to do the same in the future. Pattern #5. Whitewashing Putin’s goals for invading Ukraine In your interviews, you go to great lengths to rationalize Putin’s goals of “demilitarization” and “neutralization” of Ukraine. Please note that, in his TV address from February 24, 2022, marking the beginning of the war, the verbatim goal declared by Putin for this “military operation” is to “denazify” Ukraine. This concept builds on his long pseudo-historical article from July 2021, denying Ukraine’s existence and claiming that Ukrainians were not a nation. As elaborated in the “denazification manual” published by the Russian official press agency RIA Novosti, a “Nazi” is simply a human being who self-identifies as Ukrainian, the establishment of a Ukrainian state thirty years ago was the “Nazification of Ukraine,” and any attempt to build such a state has to be a “Nazi” act. According to this genocide handbook, denazification implies a military defeat, purging, and population-level “re-education.”“Demilitarization” and “neutralization” imply the same goal-without weapons Ukraine will not be able to defend itself, and Russia will reach its long-term goal of destroying Ukraine. Pattern #6. Assuming that Putin is interested in a diplomatic solution All of us very much hoped for a cease-fire and a negotiated settlement, which could have saved many human lives. Yet, we find it preposterous how you repeatedly assign the blame for not reaching this settlement to Ukraine (for not offering Putin some “escape hatch”) or the US (for supposedly insisting on the military rather than diplomatic solution) instead of the actual aggressor, who has repeatedly and intentionally bombed civilians, maternity wards, hospitals, and humanitarian corridors during those very “negotiations.” Given the escalatory rhetoric (cited above) of the Russian state media, Russia’s goal is erasure and subjugation of Ukraine, not a “diplomatic solution.” Pattern #7. Advocating that yielding to Russian demands is the way to avert the nuclear war Since the Russian invasion, Ukraine lives in a constant nuclear threat, not just due to being a prime target for Russian nuclear missiles but also due to the Russian occupation of Ukrainian nuclear power plants. But what are the alternatives to fighting for freedom? Unconditional surrender and then elimination of Ukrainians off the face of the Earth (see above)? Have you ever wondered why President Zelenskyy, with the overwhelming support of the Ukrainian people, is pleading with Western leaders to provide heavy weapons despite the potential threat of nuclear escalation? The answer to this question is not “Because of Uncle Sam,” but rather due to the fact that Russian war crimes in Bucha and many other Ukrainian cities and villages have shown that living under Russian occupation is a tangible “hell on earth” happening right now, requiring immediate action. Arguably, any concessions to Russia will not reduce the probability of a nuclear war but lead to escalation. If Ukraine falls, Russia may attack other countries (Moldova, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Finland or Sweden) and can also use its nuclear blackmail to push the rest of Europe into submission. And Russia is not the only nuclear power in the world. Other countries, such as China, India, Pakistan, and North Korea are watching. Just imagine what will happen if they learn that nuclear powers can get whatever they want using nuclear blackmail. Professor Chomsky, we hope you will consider the facts and re-evaluate your conclusions. If you truly value Ukrainian lives as you claim to, we would like to kindly ask you to refrain from adding further fuel to the Russian war machine by spreading views very much akin to Russian propaganda. Should you wish to engage further on any of the above-mentioned points, we are always open to discussion. Kind regards, Bohdan Kukharskyy, City University of New York Anastassia Fedyk, University of California, Berkeley Yuriy Gorodnichenko, University of California, Berkeley Ilona Sologoub, VoxUkraine NGO

[@jekylbg]

Mr. Chomsky is very polite in explaining the situation, admire his modest temper and patience for explaining this over and over again.

[@jnagarya519]

And repeating the Putin line, even though Putin has reverted to RIGHT-wing FASCISM.

[@marnellkent3682]

@@jnagarya519 Exactly what I kept hearing!

[@tulenik71]

@@jnagarya519 Putin was ALWAYS right-wing. He is basically orthodox neocon (US neocons are usually evangelicals).

[@jnagarya519]

@@tulenik71 Uh, no: he was once a "Communist" which is LEFT-wing. "Authoritarian" is right-wing, "totalitarian" is left-wing -- but the impacts of them on the ground are indistinguishable. But in recent speeches Putin has used phrases from Hitler's "Mein Kampf".

[@jnagarya519]

@Caller ID I certainly listened to it. But unlike you I don't limit myself to one source.

[@asylumofglass]

Thanks for just letting Noam speak as long as he wanted, and for the great questions.

[@fletcherhamilton3177]

Yeah they typically allow the Left to -speak- _rant_ in lieu of interruption.

[@gaulishrealist]

What were the questions? Hey fellow bootlicker, what does it feel like being an old bootlicker?

[@asengo141]

22:08 "US is telling Russia there is no way out" - There is a way out, it's to pull out their army out of Ukraine. The fact that Russia won't do that is another thing.

[@imperatormouse2735]

US benefits from this conflict: - Selling weapons - Strengthening USD vs. EUR - Increasing EU dependence for oil and gas - Expanding NATO membership and its military towards Russia - Weakening EU economy - Underpinning Western superiority of morale - Spreading fear in Europe, once again dividing the World in good and bad people Drawbacks: None

[@Gcanno]

No , The Drawback is that you destabilize a Nuclear Nation which has Suitcase and tacticle battlefield Nuclear weapons as well as biological Weapons . Those Weapons will have a vastly greater chance in the future of seeing a Western City. There always are Consequences and sadly Innocent people are always the Victims .

[@johansmifthelry9307]

A serious drawback for the US is a strengthened EU, pushing it one step closer (and the biggest step yet) towards a unified, autonomous power. This would make the world much more multipolar and weaken the USA's geopolitical position.

[@fredericksinclair]

@@johansmifthelry9307 Great point

[@Aaron-hq4bu]

@@johansmifthelry9307 That is wishful thinking in the short-term. And in the long-term - we are all dead.

[@baqaqipekhebi7148]

All the weapons have been given and not sold

[@1Q828-n1r]

I want this dude to be my grandpa

[@sphos_85]

Same

[@kelcritcarroll]

Omg! An eye opening interview!

[@zeyad45]

Brilliant job guys. For some time now I have been waiting for Sir Noam Chomsky to come on air to express his views on the conflict.

[@jnagarya519]

"Sir"? He was knighted by the imperialist British Crown? But you aren't listening to what he is SAYING, which is that Ukraine should appease Russia by acceding to Putin's demands -- and we see that those are: illegal invasion and genocide.

[@HiddenAgendas777]

I often cite from the Intercept, when I read Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent" back in the early 90's, it changed my outlook and influences my political analysis to this day.

[@2msvalkyrie529]

Try " The Simpsons " ? The intellectual content is higher.

[@mymy1646]

@@2msvalkyrie529 Yeah, I'm sure you're more academically accomplished than Chomsky....

[@multidoor6928]

Yeah, and now Chomsky himself engages in manufacturing consent for Russia's war hawks

[@debravictoria7452]

Vox Terra, Haven't read Manufacturing Consent, but thought it an interesting title from someone who wants to separate others from society and keep them from basic necessities because they did not consent. JS 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@Richard-hv5hh]

Well I am reminded by Churchill's saying. " You cannot negotiate with a tiger when your head is in its mouth" Masses of countries have tried to negotiate with Putin on this as well as the Ukrainians. Chomsky is assuming that you actually can negotiate with Putin but I fear you cannot.

[@helen7816]

Putin did try to negotiate with Blinken around the end of Jan or early Feb, but he was rejected offhand by Blinken.

[@Richard-hv5hh]

@@helen7816 Well if Putin's position was I am going to invade regardless then I don't blame Blinken who seems sensible, clever and decent. I think the wrongs and rights are very clear here. I am sorry the Russians can't get their act together to create a democracy. Shame on them. Putin is utterly dangerous, reckless and yes this could get very much worse. But it's not America's fault at all and the civiluzed non autocratic world seems pretty united in supporting the Ukrainians.

[@Wallyworld30]

Russia has lied about everything in this war to the west and it's own citizens. They agreed to free pass for Civilians out of Mariupol and when they started leaving they started hitting the refugees with artillery. They did Genocide in Bucha. Russia needs to be stopped full stop.

[@cameronpatterson130]

When has Ukraine tried negotiating? Ukraine was talking about retaking Crimea through force before Russia invaded. If zelenskiyy accepted a deal that didn’t include the return of Crimea which as Noam correctly points out is a non starter, the now well armed Ukrainian far right will kill him and take over the country. The US sees its strategic interest in fighting Russia until the last Ukrainian. It weakens Russia to bog them down in Ukraine. Europe will look for energy elsewhere, possibly to more US imports. And US arm manufacturers are getting even richer flooding Ukraine with weapons. What true US interest is there in a ceasefire?

[@MrBendylaw]

Noam has the mind of an eminently reasonable and rational man; I think he stumbles a bit when delving into abnormal psychologies; he considers them from within himself. I think this is a common problem with leaders on the left; they've never been messed with much by people of this type on a personal level, because of their status and power; so they don't have a real, intense, familiar understanding of that kind of crazy. They're a bit distant about the level of abuse these people are capable of.

[@GhostMonkey772]

Noam Chomsky reminds me of a wise wizard.

[@balozhende5727]

He sure looks like one!

[@ShanArshadCh]

World should listen to this Man. Specially America.

[@natepolidoro4565]

This man is a monument of legend.

[@SteveLondonE9]

Even a legend falls on their sword. Chomsky is round the twist now & anti the right to consent. Go away and listen more carefully to his rantings on the unvaccinated

[@elhorrendo7026]

I couldn’t agree more. Always clear and always positive about the responsibility of each and every one of us to both think for ourselves, find reliable sources of information beyond propaganda and to think about how our actions and inaction (equally important) affect those around us and not just ourselves.

[@johncantu2555]

@@SteveLondonE9 he said there’s no evidence that vaccines don’t work and while he believes the necessities of life should still be given to the willingly unvaccinated in the form of material aid they shouldn’t feel they have the right to be contagious in other peoples communities. You talk about the right of consent as if other people have already consented to your giving them viruses

[@Dr.Birkenmeier]

I had similar views but since his views for antivaxx and this idea that Russia is the agressor after what we know what happened with the Minsk agreement and 30 years of Nato encircliment of Russia

[@GeneralMe100]

what an excellent interveiwer Jeremy Scahill is.

[@elhorrendo7026]

I thoroughly agree! I’m glad you noticed and commented on it. Scahill deserves a lot of credit for knowing his stuff. Knowing the subject about which one is interviewing a person is important in knowing what questions to ask, what statements to make to provoke thought and response that both guide the direction of an interview and the subsequent information shared by the interviewee. Very good interview with Professor Chomsky, thanks to Jeremy Scahill.

[@likaantadze4379]

Russia had two main goals that it explicitly stated; 1. denazification of Ukraine and 2. demilitarization and ignoring the denazification part is wrong on many levels because it is how Russia justifies the war (calling it a military operation) on the first place. The denazification part weakens Chomsky’s argument that the negotiations could lead to peace for Ukraine. Russia’s argument and motive for the war that there are nazi forces in Ukraine is an absolute propagandist statement with no evidence to support it. Therefore, you can not negotiate on terms that simply do not exist.

[@keksi6844]

Russians ARE NAZIS. You obviously dont even understand what Nazi means.

[@ashe9318]

They also stated the neutralization of Ukraine, but it was kinda packaged with the demilitarization goal.

[@charkvaror2112]

@Douglas Cummings oh noes our nassi assets : (

[@ashe9318]

The US government doesn’t want this war to end. They are making so much money off of this conflict and so far, it is costing Russia way more than any other country involved. This is a textbook proxy war, and the West is ecstatic over it… Expect this war to last until at least 2023 @Douglas Cummings

[@likaantadze4379]

The fall of Azov will not change anything because Russia’s argument that there are nazi forces in Ukraine (possibly meaning Azov and not only) is an absolute propagandist statement with no evidence to support it. Therefore, even the fall of the battalion can not serve as a basis for the negotiation. You can not negotiate on terms that simply do not exist.

[@Aikidoman06]

I still cannot believe people listen to this old fool. He’s a linguist with an opinion- You could get just as wise a response from a middle school librarian. What most people miss about Chomsky is that he has made millions of predictions over the years and never been right. Mark Twain once said “it’s easier to fool someone than it is to convince them they have been fooled.” I think he was speaking of chomsky

[@msavina9129]

Chomsky sounded good. I typically find his voice annoyingly hard to listen to but something seems much improved here. Thx for having him as I’d wondered if anyone had talked to him lately.

[@eduardhubner3421]

I wasn't aware there was still actual journalism being done at the Intercept since Glenn Greenwald left. Thank you for the great interview!

[@rezakarampour6286]

Search . Noam Chomsky : US IS World's Biggest Terrorist ib the World '

[@jnagarya519]

Glenn Greenwald is an extremist ideological hack. Chomsky is that AND a burn-out; he's still living in the pre-McCarthy 1940s-50s.

[@Johnconno]

Can't America use it's wonderful weapons in America?

[@GhostFromTheFuture]

The unanswered question to me is: What do we do now? How do we bring change to this situation?

[@jnagarya519]

Chomsky's answer is that Ukraine should appease Russia by acceding to Putin's transparently false demands -- which demands are REFUTED by Putin's ACTIONS.

[@leslumieres1237]

As ever, a well-thought out reaction of a man who has been fightung his entire life against injustice. Thank you Prof.Chomsky !

[@jnagarya519]

That's why he's pushing Putin's false-history propaganda?

[@paddymurphy1320]

He is given an opinion based on the narrative given by western main stream media. Which, of course has absolutely no credibility. This war has been fought for the last 8 years. Crickets for 7 of them. But the WEF wants us out of our cars so we need a fuel hike and this is how they will do it. They want us to stop eating meat too, so, Drum roll-- Ta-Dah-- Foot and mouth out breaks, Avian flu and positive C tests on chickens. Biden goes on about White supremacy and how the MAGA crowd are dangerous. and they want people to give up their guns--Hey presto. Chomsky can't see anything wrong with the official 911 story. This world is about to turn to shit unless people start seeing how they play us.

[@naitruan]

Pretty sure Chomsky would've had some harsh words for the polish not surrendering faster to the Nazis, too. If only everyone had surrendered to Hitler, there wouldn't have been a WW2. It's really the fault of all the nations defending their sovereignity that it happened. And giving weapons to the french partisans? That just prolonged their suffering. The reality is: everyone should've stopped fighting, sat down with Hitler, and found a diplomatic compromise for his ambitions of conquering the world.

[@69birdboy]

Exactly...everything is the fault of the us...rightly so in part but Putin is an independent actor

[@gatb4387]

Exactly, it's everyone else's fault, except the actual aggressor nation. Hitler was just "misunderstood" and had legitimate reasons to feel so "scared" surrounded by evil capitalist/commie pigs from all sides. UwU (sarcasm, in case anyone's digitally illiterate).

[@annthomson5648]

Hey jeremy. Thank u for this nice interview

[@satishsaxena2649]

Cunning, selfish, troublemaker, The USA

[@abuahmed6058]

Noam chomsky is a very respected scholar throughout the world who condemned war on Iraq and Afghanistan by the US and the West .

[@axlslak]

and now he is basically giving excuses to the russians to do the same. isn't he a sweetheart. every morning when you open up your tv and see new children killed, just remember doctor chomsky and his honorary shit. coz that's what matters.

[@2msvalkyrie529]

He always condemns the " West "..! He's been condemning the West for the last 50 years.

[@JigilJigil]

Noam Chomsky favorite regimes are Russia, China, Iran, North Korea and Venezuela, he is a gem.

[@RicardoPetinga]

@@JigilJigil why are you lying?

[@szvqorwnpstahskypfwmp9821]

@@JigilJigil Really??

[@shea086]

People should listen to Mr.Ñoam Chomsky. He has been around since the Cuban Missile crisis and Jfk assasination. He spoke then.. THE same as now. Common sense.US actions roar a thousand words...

[@HiddenAgendas777]

He is an extremely important thinker and observer. After reading his "Manufacturing Consent" it changed my perspective. I use his basic media - corporate analysis to explain why we have not addressed climate change.

[@ML-my8qq]

@jaleel appleseed who hasn’t been?

[@antoliynewyork806]

Russian KGB agent NC

[@antoliynewyork806]

@jaleel appleseed both of them get sponsors from KGB FSB

[@vinllga]

the war between TWO parts of historical Russia - Russian Federation and so called Ukraine (Small Russia under domination of Galitsian nazi) is the DIRECT consequence of CRIMINAL PARTITION of Russia during collapce of USSR. Its (the analogue) like partition the France on southern and northern 'independent" states. In 1991 clever people warned the West about unevitable war between these two administrative units, invented by bolsheviks. and on referendumm in March of 1991 ukranian population voted against indepenence, for united country (USSR) by 70% majority. Western and our inner criminals however destroyed country despite this will of ukranian people

[@Jad3dJane]

Noam is delivering his knowledge so peacefully, the facts are all there, let us pledge for a negotiated settlement, in order to spare innocent human life, Thank you Noam and Jeremy.

[@chessdaddy0720]

I am going to add this link in the comments of CNN/NBC/FOX as many as possible. This interview is so instrutive, well thought and most importantly unbiased view of world current affairs and history. Thank you professor Chomsky, and wish you will be healthy for a long long time. The world needs you.

[@s.fleming2441]

You think this is unbiased? Why does he give no attention to Russian imperialism while endless bringing up American imperialism from unrelated times and conflicts? When russian imperialism is actually the topic at hand. That's not unbiased. Chomsky is one of the most biased people speaking about America. He is completely polarized into supporting whatever isn't american

[@esthetin]

I wonder, that Mr. Chomsky says, he don't know what Russia think about referendum in Donbass. After Russia just during the referendum came together with crim again.

[@truthseeker9701]

Fantastic interview

[@jnagarya519]

Yes: "fantastic" as in "fantasy" divorced from reality. Chomsky is blaming the victim, like a good little imperialist.

[@adamblack267]

Stop calling him a imperialist you dunce. The US and Russia are both oligarchies. This is a power struggle between the two. Both want their own puppet government in place so they can exploit natural resources.

[@jnagarya519]

@@adamblack267 Why is Chomsky spewing fascist Putin's line? Note that Ukraine is being illegally invaded, yet Chomsky asserts that Ukraine declare "neutrality". Just lay back and take it as Putin fulfills his genocidal ambitions. You don't know the history. Everythings an "oligarchy" without and grey or nuance. So simple. So ignorant of history.

[@adamblack267]

@@jnagarya519 Of course Ukraine is being illegally invaded and Chomsky would agree with that statement. If you remember back a short 19 years ago, the USA conducted an illegal and unprovoked invasion of Iraq. Did they take any considerations of the consequences ie the destabilizing of the entire region, the rise of ISIS etc? Putin will have to deal with the consequences of his actions just the same. The biggest trouble is there is a lot of money to be made in warfare. Smedley Butler had it figured out but nobody seemed to listen nor cared because nothing has fundamentally changed. The military industrial complex needs these proxy wars to survive. I'm not saying that Ukraine should just lay back and take it but it is a very complicated situation over there, certainly not black and white. This situation essentially stems from over 40 years of neo liberal policies of which Chomsky is AGAINST. To call him a fascist sympathizer is beyond a joke. He understands that an extreme escalation could lead to a nuclear holocaust. More ultra nationalism and aggressive militarism is certainly not the answer if we want to survive as a species.

[@adamblack267]

@@jnagarya519 kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5eZYpWXjKtnfac This video explains a lot.

[@lotusseed355]

The most profound interview I've heard so far. Thank you Jeremy for providing it and big Thank you, Noam, for your unceasing courage and brilliance.

[@Thumperoo]

Always a pleasure to listen to Chomsky. Have also watched Lex Fridman's interview of Stephen Kotkin for a balancing view.

I love you Noam. Neither you nor I will be around much longer, I’m afraid. But I for, will think about you with great admiration for all you’ve tried to do for humanity. You will always be my hero, your honesty, decency, courage and intellect, will be remembered and admired for generations to come, you are a real treasure. Thank you for all you’ve taught me, my cup rune the over with gratitude.

[@Aikidoman06]

Chomsky is the greatest trickster in the world. As a linguist who would never been known he has made a good career of convincing people that he knows what he’s talking about.

[@schtoop2234]

@@Aikidoman06 Your conclusion is undeniable sir, all correct thinking people of even average intelligence know that an objective analysis of reality can only lead to trouble and conflict. Far better to go with the current plutocratic narrative, it just works better for everyone that matters.

[@Nea-van-R.]

@@Aikidoman06 Isn't he the one who said that "we", the unvaxxed, should remove ourselves from society, and that it's our Problem how to get food then?

[@Aikidoman06]

@@Nea-van-R. I don’t know. Everything he says is stupid. He’s always wrong and has made tons of predictions that always fall flat. He just hates America but not enough to leave

[@elhorrendo7026]

Chomsky is always a voice of reason. He is unjustly a pariah because he always points the finger back at “us” and our perspective in the “west”. Speakers of truth will always be pariahs and will rarely be given the just credit they deserve and never crave. I’m dreading the day we lose his ongoing voice of sanity and humility. I have read and my bookshelf is full all his books I can get my hands on. Thank you Mr Chomsky. I discovered your work at uni in a compulsory foundation course in social science. And I found my place as a writer and more importantly always a student. Learning and sharing the truth and seeing through “the matrix” of propaganda and power.

[@marshadingle3550]

This comment is so great. I feel the same. I'm scared to lose one of the last sane voices we have in the USA.

[@elhorrendo7026]

@@marshadingle3550 Thank you for your reply, Marsha! It’s great to know People like Chomsky (one of my heroes... well, I don’t really have heroes, because that usually involves the elevation of a person/people above others and ourselves - and most people’s heroes tend to be famous and often somewhat arbitrary from my point of view- but people I admire and respect) is respected by others. Especially in the US. If the voices of Americans, like Professor Chomsky are not heard in America, then we are all in danger of a precarious future.

[@s.fleming2441]

Chomsky is a fossil. It's obvious he isn't learning anything anymore. Not if it requires him to put down the anti American brand he built his whole life. He is actually wrong about so many things and refuses to answer them directly regarding russian imperialism. It's not refreshing. It's gross

[@kylesavy6250]

It's a shame that most westerners who support the west will never hear this wonderful discussion.

[@nataliyaveit5361]

so maybe we should do our best and try to spread this important talk. I've posted it in my status on skype and WhatsApp, for example, and also forwarded it to my friends. As Chomsky says, it is a lot an individual can do to make a change

[@Chowringhee]

A profoundly important discussion. Thank you for presenting it to us when it is needed most.

[@jnagarya519]

But see Timpthy Snyder for the actual history of which Chomsky seems blithely unaware.

[@Shoggunik]

So far I see one glaring.... I fear to call it mistake but a hole in argumentation. War ends in one side destruction or negotiation - sure. But just because Russia won't be destroyed, doesn't mean we cannot push them to have worse negotiation position so end result of negotiation is more favourable for Ukraine and Western world. So this point doesn't undermine sending military aid and helping Ukraine fight as much as possible.

[@mikexhotmail]

At what cost? Will you join the front line yourself?

[@Shoggunik]

@@mikexhotmail If you ask me personally - no. I don't want to neither I know how to fight. I don't think I would be good contribution on the front line - but I could work on IT side of things. I don't advocate forcing people to fight. But so far Ukranians seems to have a will to fight and I'm all for supporting them in it as much as we can.

[@stregadisalem732]

Does anyone know why Jeremy Scahill stopped hosting Intercepted, the podcast?

[@chrisgrant7450]

I'm guessing he is probably writing a book with accompanying film, a la Dirty Wars. Otherwise he might be bored of the show.

[@stregadisalem732]

@@chrisgrant7450 I really enjoyed his stories, his interviews, his narration. It was comforting after Trump was elected. But he’s busy with lots of other projects I imagine.

[@vd8338]

He was a journalist for The Intercept. He moved on to start his own outlet, The Drop Site News. Still friends with Intercept. Drop Site is posting analyses that might be too incendiary for Intercept--they might have decided to separate the hot potatoes from palatable stuff. He didn't exactly specify it. Check it out, it has some quite interesting interviews, especially the 2nd one after its founding in July. You'll know what when you see it ;)

[@OskarVanBruce]

I don't like how during the conversation there is no mention of the Budapest memorandum, the unlawful status of the occupation of crimea, the thousands of displaced people from the donbass rebel region, so much that a referendum in the region would be pointless as everyone who doesn't want to be part of Russia have already left the region and finally, no mention of Putin's speech done just before the invasion in which he denied the right of self determination for the Ukranian people or even the existance of the Ukranian nation. Overall, this is not a balanced and complete opinion of the current situation and to make matters worse, it is smeared with a western point of view that doesn't take into account the realities of the region: Putin is a liar, he lied during the crimea crisis, he lied during the invasion of donbass, he lied when that dutch plane was shot down, he lied when he said he wasn't going to invade and with this record we cannot afford to trust Putin to uphold his words if Ukraine is to be demilitarized, otherwise we'll found ourselves on the same scenario Czechoslovakia suffered back in 1938. Let us not be useful fools and indirectly help Putin.

[@MrBendylaw]

This.

[@marjoriefrench6868]

I agree. I am no expert or even a student of politics, however Putin has made his intentions clear time after time. He wants the old USSR back and wants to be king of. Negotiations?? How do you negotiate with a madman? Giving in the only negotiation he would accept. Going into the history of what the US has done in the past and maybe has not been sufficiently punished for accomplishes nothing. Let's deal with the here and now. You cannot sanction a country's leader without sanctioning it's people too. Maybe if the populace suffers enough they will realize that their great leader is a liar and is actually the one punishing them. Although that has not worked here. 45 is still ensnaring his rabbits.

[@johanmetreus1268]

There is only so much that can be discussed within the timeframe. Do note that Chomsky did not say Putin had to be involved at all, only that being a war criminal per se isn't a hindrance. Nor did he include Zelensky, as he was talking about the states Russia and Ukraine. When you say "Western", do you mean American or European? They are not the same. The suggestions Chomsky made were purely based on the positions Russia and Ukraine publicly already stated, not what is desired. That a negotiated peace is the only option for a future Ukraine is rather evident, as if Ukraine seem to threaten Russia with military conquest, Putin will press the red button and if Russia seem to destroy Ukraine with military force, there is no button to threaten Russia with. So there are two fundamental questions here: How to arrange a negotiation with both countries actively seeking a resolution, and how to ensure that such agreements are kept? Only after those two questions has been answered is there any point looking into details of what an agreement should contain, as Kremlin can simply not be taken on their word or signature.

[@nicola185]

Every one in the world should watch and listen to this. Thank you!!! Thank you Noam. I read your books at university decades ago and now I am listening to this! Geo politics and philosophy at its very best.

[@paoloangaroni1907]

Last time I heard him speak, after a decade of boiling frog's theory telling, he was furiously yelling about preventing with the use of force non-Vax from entering into supermarket to get their food supplies..nice one! Still giving him credit?!

[@annac.naumann1394]

Thanks so much, Noam Chomsky, I hope you will be with us for a long time to come, we need you and your thinking and your courage

[@josephlee4337]

Both men are freedom fighters and truth-tellers! Honorable men in my book.

[@Mahmoud-hl8jt]

Thank you so much for this wonderful interview. We all have been waiting for Professor's Chomsky inputs on this new episode of the old game of powers. God bless you Professor.

[@HiddenAgendas777]

Yes, after I read Chomsky in the early 90's I saw our media in a completely different light, he influences my speaking to this day.

[@r.m8146]

Yeah, and after so much wait we have to listen to this horseshit

[@jnagarya519]

What you mean "all,"? And it can't be proven that there is a "God". Oh, right: "God" permits mass slaughter, and then we praise "Him" as "merciful," and ask for MORE of the same "blessings". Ever notice that your "God" is on EVERY side in EVERY war? And that your "merciful God" never steps in and stops the bloodshed? Perhaps if "He" were less enthusiastic about "objectively" supporting ALL sides "He" wouldn't be paralyzed with indecision.

[@ozmoe754]

God, ha, now there's a war criminal if ever there was.

[@eyemallears2647]

Let me guess: Naom says it’s the fault of America.

[@sammavaca5714]

This interview was long awaited. Telling and hearing the truth is the only way towards sanity. How will we ever overcome our collective psychosis if and when geniuses like Noam disappear?

[@hopesnopes]

Thank you, Samma Vaca- yes, we desperately need to hear Chomsky and any others who realize that the main goal must be to stop the slaughter. This current path of winning at any cost is a tragic manifestation of what you so rightly call "our collective psychosis". Continuing this path ensures more death, more displacement and reducing even more of Ukraine to rubble.

[@rockintetster]

No matter the situation elsewhere in the world Chomsky wants to blame the United States for everything. I’ve had enough of listening to this man unless he is teaching linguistics.

[@krotio]

F off and good bye

[@javierharth3647]

Great man, Noam Chomsky! Lovely man, bring tears to my eyes... " If you don't care about Ukranians, stay silent! “ Those who follow in his footsteps are righteous people; we'll need all of you!!

[@amanjsalehi]

To the wonderful Professor Chomsky🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹

[@saolálainn]

Thank you for this interview, I find world politics so fast moving, complicated and most of the time hard to decipher so an interview with an amazing mind like Chomsky's helps give clarity on this very complex subject. Nothing is black and white.

[@jnagarya519]

Chomsky's "clarity" is to make it really simple: Ukraine should appease IMPERIALIST Russia by giving in the IMPERIALIST Putin's demands. Putin's goal being identical to those of Stalin and Hitler: the total annihilation of the Ukrainian people. GENOCIDE.

[@ARCTERYXSWEATSHOP]

He's made multiple mistakes about Ukraine, Russia & the USA in this interview.

[@mygirldarby]

Was Nazi Germany not black and white? There is objective truth, right or wrong, black or white. To believe otherwise only supports the wrongdoer.

[@drawingablank746]

@@ARCTERYXSWEATSHOP Please share them.

[@jnagarya519]

"Amazing minds" are still imperfect and make mistakes. Chomsky is pushing Putin's false propaganda.

[@MaitreyaNow]

What a beautiful man. If humanity survives this century it will be in part because of this guy. Or blind luck.

[@DosEquisMan45]

great interview, loved it

[@igorlalin7569]

One of the most important and incredibly insightful philosophers of modern times.

[@rezakarampour6286]

Watch : ' Noam Chomsky : US Is World's Biggest Terrorist In The World '

[@piotrjanowski9141]

Yeah, so what? He has no idea what is going on between Russia and Ukraine. Does he speak Russian or Ukrainian at all?

[@cr34t0red7]

@@piotrjanowski9141 and how do you know whats going on?

[@piotrjanowski9141]

@@cr34t0red7 Because I live here.

[@cr34t0red7]

@@piotrjanowski9141 where “here”?? Plus just because you live “there” doesnt mean you know whats going on!

[@ARCTERYXSWEATSHOP]

Does Chomsky ever criticize Russia or China? Never. Not once.

[@ethimself5064]

He has enough to do with the USA as US Issues are and have been rather massive.

[@technodroog]

quote from this very interview you are commenting on: "China has a very brutal, boorish government." He states repeatedly that Putin's Russia has committed "very serious war crimes in Ukraine." There is not one word of justification for Putin's actions in initiating the attack. His focus is US rank hypocrisy and reckless foreign policy, their historical background and the potential massive danger to these policies

[@RicardoPetinga]

He's literally calling out their lies, their invasion of a sovereign nation and their war crimes in this interview. How is that NOT criticizing Russia/Putin? He also criticized China as one of the two super powers that could pressure Russia to stop the war and doesn't, which is one of the few relevant criticisms directed at China that could be made here since this video is not about China. "Never. Not once." is a flat out and quite bold lie considering it's debunked in the same video you're commenting on.

[@katieak9796]

Thank you for your wisdom. I hope people will listen and follow to your advice, dear Mr. Chomsky.

[@jnagarya519]

His "advice" is that Ukraine should appease IMPERIALIST Russia by ceding to Russia's IMPERIALIST demands.

[@jonathanshihadeh]

Amazing interview

[@pauljohansson363kagy5]

Everything in this session is seen through an American perspective and as a reflection of American pursuit of an identity. Chomsky is a brilliant thinker but his constant American viewpoint is in the long run rather limited.

[@henriettadebou7073]

He is still a brilliant mind

[@woulfe42]

Noam Chomsky looks like the grand wizard from lord of the rings. Lol….

[@user-nw2si7hu3u]

One of the most intelligent and accurate convos on the topic I’ve ever heard here

[@1984levani]

Still the voice of reason, even after 90 years of age...and still one of the best man to ask for the opinion in the entire US left spectrum.

[@BenD88343]

please tell me how the UK/England/great britain make money? I understand capitalism. Buy and sell. What resources does the UK sell that allow them to be a global powerhouse? British Petroeum? But britain has no oil. How is this possible? Invasions? Has britain ever invaded anyone? Why does the austrailian flag contain a flag of Britain? Why does canadian currency have a picture of the queen of england? I live in British columbia, not putin Columbia. But nobody, not even the native Americans care. Instead of fighting the british, natives are whining about the russians. Absolutely hilarious. And pathetic.

[@newmoonjlp]

Excellent interview as always. Chomsky always brings the receipts.

[@terencemckenna6468]

What receipts? Chomsky lost his marbles. He’s old and rtrded

[@szvqorwnpstahskypfwmp9821]

There will never be another intellect like Chomsky who is sincere, fair, intelligent, humble, kind, patient, caring, and most of all, his wisdom to know what's right and wrong!! In my opinion, he is the greatest intellect and most wise human I have ever known!!

[@inthehouse9062]

Yet he has no power to control world events so as to bring a worldwide peace

[@ARCTERYXSWEATSHOP]

He's made multiple mistakes about Ukraine, Russia & the USA in this interview.

[@rockintetster]

@@inthehouse9062 Please, the man is an insatiable crybaby. He is not taken seriously outside of the far left ideological world, unless he is teaching linguistics.

[@inthehouse9062]

@@rockintetster He seems to be telling the truth not all truth is relative

[@Practical.Wisdom]

Excellent interview, great insights from Noam, as always. Thank you!

[@Jan96106]

I wonder if he would have the same opinion about being careful not to give too much aid because he's worried about escalating the situation if his grandchildren and other family members were in there Ukraine being slaughtered?

[@vinlondon8904]

If anyone's grandchildren were in the war, you'd want that war to full stop. No little or a lot of aid will make a difference in the casualties.

[@frankjaeger2565]

@@vinlondon8904 I wouldn't want them to be beaten and raped by the enemy, I'd rather give them a chance to defend themselves

[@frankjaeger2565]

@@martiendejong8857 the Azov batallion makes up for 0.5% of Ukrainian armed forces. Insisting that Ukrain is a Neo-nazi Country because of that is just Russian propaganda

[@SebastianFlack]

Thanks a lot! Keep going. We need more people like this! We need a new and honest peace-policy.

[@SteveLondonE9]

We no longer need Chomsky. He has lost it totally now. On covid he spoke like a fascist

[@nataliezementbeisser1492]

Chomsky is looking like he is being held hostage

[@elachechino]

Noam Chomsky's incongruence is vomitive. Israel has been attacked with all out wars by its neighbors several times and he still condemned Israel's strategic occupation of certain territories vehemently, i. e. Golan Heights, West Bank, Gaza. How can Israel even withdraw knowing that Arabs want no two states. Now Russia has "serious" security concerns and justifies what it does. Even though neighbors are scared of the Russian flagrant Imperialism. Chomsky is not happy with the peace deals Israel did with Arab "dictatorships", as if Syria, Iran, Russia, etc weren't dictatorships.

[@Jad3dJane]

Thank you Noam, for your clarity on this subject, we now hope that the negotiated settlement will soon take place, you are an inspiration and a true hero for us who wants peace.

[@leeedmunds2539]

Thank you both

[@markmclean4144]

Thank you Mr Chomsky for your honest opinions and facts about what is really happening in the world today...the world would be a safer place today if world leaders listened more closely...i only wish i listened to his lectures earlier...brilliant mind

[@MD-xl9df]

Gargle Gargle

[@ponte34]

Noam is a gem so is Jeremy

[@jnagarya519]

On this issue they have their heads so far up their own and each others asses that they appear normal to the uncritical eye -- and ear.

[@ARCTERYXSWEATSHOP]

They carry water for the Kremlin

[@michaelesq.atpcfii.9862]

Weakening the Russian army and its economy so that it cannot sustain any further invasions is appropriate. Even if it means fighting to the last Ukrainian.

[@truflacz]

His logic is based on assumption that Russia is a nice, peaceful nation, which is threatened by Ukraine, NATO, and especially the US. He is completely missing the reality which is not surprising for a man who spends all his life in an academic bubble. Very sad to watch.

[@danicadabic9789]

In fact, yes, Russia is threatened by NATO as NATO/US broke all the agreements and promises given to Gorbachev. Once the Berlin Wall fell and the Warsaw Pact disintegrated, NATO should have been obsolete and peacefully cease to exist. It is now NATO that spreads like cancer all over the world with its bases literally encircling Russia. This is where the roots of the conflict are.

[@truflacz]

@@danicadabic9789 Yes, exactly. And Russia did not invade Ukraine and kill thousands of civilians. It is just a peaceful operation, and Russian troops are welcomed with flowers. And Putin is not a bloody dictator poisoning his political opponents, but a nice handsome guy, master of martial arts, and very nice to women and children!!!

[@draganjovanovic9250]

No empire ever was nice and peaceful. And no one claims that.

[@irishlebvet]

Wow !, an outstanding and very informative discussion.

[@HiddenAgendas777]

Yes, Chomsky's work was very influential for me.

[@jnagarya519]

Only as affirmation of your existing views -- and blinders. He is totally missing the point in his "advice" that Ukraine -- which is an independent country -- should appease Russia by capitulating to Russia's imperialist demands. Ukraine doesn't need to "demilitarize"; it needs to increase its military defense against the ILLEGAL Russian invasion.

[@vinlondon8904]

@@jnagarya519 and your views aren't an affirmation of the narrative installed by your government?

[@gatorbuc99]

@@jnagarya519 so…fight to the last Ukrainian . Got it. Easy for you to say when it’s not your loved ones dying for no reason .

[@jnagarya519]

@@vinlondon8904 I don't "do" buzzwords such as "narratives". I adhere to facts and law. As the US democracy is founded on the rule of law -- it is, "A system of Laws, and not of men" (John Adams) -- I affirm facts and law. In place of swallowing -- "affirming" -- Chomsky's reputation LISTEN to what he's ACTUALLY SAYING. In THIS his "narrative" is to assert that Ukraine should do as Putin demands. Watch some videos with Timothy Snyder: he will explain the history of Ukraine, and Stalin -- starved some 4 million Ukrainians to death, and Hitler -- who murdered millions of Ukrainians. Those two and Putin have the same view: that Ukraine doesn't exist as a "state" or "country" and that there is no such thing as "Ukrainians". And those two and Putin share the same goal: to exterminate all Ukrainians. Given the choice as to what Ukraine should do I'll take the word of Ukraine over Chomsky's -- or Putin's -- 24/7.

[@jodie6881]

this should be in the mainstream media and not the usual propaganda,

[@Bob-sb7sp]

Excellent analysis...our world today...scary the way we deal with human life on earth.

[@imminenthope8970]

its slightly biased. The Nazi crimes in Ukraine are far greater than these luke warm journalists will say. Grey Zone is doing fierce journalism.

[@richardbrooks8422]

What I find sad about this outlook is how very US focused it is. It immediately starts with paralleling US conflict from decades past and different administrations with Putin and then starts talking about how we should negotiate over the Ukrainians as the Brits and French did over Czechoslovakia in 1938. This relativism and myopia from left leaning commentators is frustrating and denies agency to other actors principally Russia and Ukraine but also the very varied approaches of European polities.

[@madarab]

There wasn't any negotiation over Czechoslovakia, Czechoslovakia was not even present during the talk and Germany got all the territory they had demanded. Then Czechoslovakia was only notified that either they would give up the territory or in case of war between Germany and Czechoslovakia, Czechoslovakia would be seen as the aggressor and Germany would be supported diplomatically by the powers.

[@onikin]

It's typical for Chomsky. Same kind of arguments he used to support the Khmer Rouge. US is always evil. Other powers are all fairly innocent and reasonable.

[@Sphere723]

I mean yeah. Chomsky is stuck in a certain mentality which is very Amero-centric and clouds his understanding of a complicated and diverse world which often moves in ways which have little to do with Washington policy. Adding to this is his proclivity to think he can deduce the real situation on the ground from newspaper clippings because he is some master of reverse engineering propaganda. He famously did this in Cambodia, with his deduction that all the horror stories about the Khmer Rouge were unfounded and somehow invented by the US government. But another example of this is his idea that the Ukrainian people want negotiations with Russia more than they want weapons from the West. From every local political expert I've heard or read from, this is notion is completely detached from reality. If you want well researched and nuanced information on Ukraine go to someone like Timothy Snyder who spent years researching (and wrote a very good book on) the post-war history of this specific region. Chomsky's offers no substitute for that level of effort and focus.

[@archvaldor]

@@Sphere723 "Chomsky is stuck in a certain mentality which is very Amero-centric" It is the simple inverse of the Republican mentality where US interests are everything. In its own way it is just as narcissistic in a masochistic way.

[@user_rusofob]

Omg finally person who analised the interview and not just listend to it.

[@stephengilbert5612]

I always love listening to the great wisdom and knowledge of Noam .👍

[@2msvalkyrie529]

Try Homer Simpson. ? You'll learn a lot more .

[@ARCTERYXSWEATSHOP]

He's made multiple mistakes about Ukraine, Russia & the USA in this interview.

[@realtruth9346]

What a wise man, I am depply impressed!!! Thanks 🙏 for this important interview, please share it as I did. That’s I think the only thing we can do not having power…

[@kevinsummers1055]

I recognize he's brilliant but he forgets putins history.

[@ghost_font4087]

XD, wonder what history you forgot

[@SetTrippin82]

Please, entertain us with your vast knowledge that contradicts Chomsky.

[@HarrySmith-hr2iv]

How much does the CIA pay you?

[@absoluterefusal]

@@HarrySmith-hr2iv Maybe it's a CIA bot. No payment needed.

[@sharondavid-melly1498]

We are all punished. No matter how much you or Mr Chompsky thinks you or he knows, it's not enough to untangle the world's knots.

[@wendyw253]

Did intercept EDIT OUT the part where Noam says, ONLY TRUMP COULD SUCCESSFULLY NEGOTIATE THIS PEACE DEAL!!!???

[@ssssssssss1638]

When did Chomsky ever say that? He jut said he's the only person who suggested we should do that, anyone could do it theyd just have to be pushed into doing it. I dont think Trump would even be allowed to do that if he was in office

[@a.k.6059]

Interesting, that India was called neonazi for their dealing with muslims, and China wasn’t (for that same sin) … or am I missing something ?

[@mzakuta]

It is much more violent in India

[@a.k.6059]

@@mzakuta maybe , but not to mention China at all? As if nothing wrong happens there … don’t you think it’s odd?

[@helen7816]

China's action targets muslim separatists, not the general muslim population.

[@tturtle1659]

@@a.k.6059 Chomsky is notorious for directing his critique at the US and those he considers the US's lackeys. The others often get a free pass.

[@fightinglionenjoyer4503]

T Turtle not really, he just doesn’t pretend like these cia shills crying about uyghers. If a large population of uyghers were in the us they would’ve exterminates them already lmao

[@reggiebald2830]

Wow; I do believe you've about said it all and as usual, brought me to tears for my fellow human beings! Once again, thank you to The Intercept for bring us the difficult TRUTH!

[@jnagarya519]

Yeah: the difficult truth that Chomsky is asserting that Ukraine should appease Russia by doing that which Russia demands -- while Russia is ILLEGALLY invading Ukraine and committing genocide. The difficult truth is that Chomsky is no less imperialist than the imperialists he condemns.

[@Starclimber]

@@jnagarya519 Okay, genius, tell EVERYONE what should be done. WHAT'S THE FUCKING PLAN? You seem to be the only one who knows, so DO IT: spill the fucking beans. Tell us what step one is: no fly zone? Suicide bombers inside every Ukrainian house? And then describe step two in detail, if you can spare the time. I can't begin to imagine what that is, because I'm even dumber than Chomsky. And finally, give us your best estimate of the casualties you anticipate if the nations involved were to follow your unimpeachably correct advice. THANKS.

[@costanalexandru5120]

What laws did they break? And what do you think USA would have done if Mexico would have killed thousands of americans in the laat 8 years and become communist all of a sudden?

[@jnagarya519]

@@costanalexandru5120 You don't make sense.

[@costanalexandru5120]

@@jnagarya519 Oh really ? So If China tomorrow forces Mexico into communism through "elections" ... and starts killing american people ... I guess USA would do nothing .. Wich part doesn't make sense ?

[@jnagarya519]

ZELENSKYY says that if Mariupol falls, no negotiations are possible. Who outside Ukraine should insist that Ukraine render itself "neutral" in order to APPEASE Russia? I thought Chomsky was opposed to imperialism.

[@gwynedd1]

Did Cuba get to host what it wanted or was there some kind of crisis?

[@sharondavid-melly1498]

The people of Ukraine stand for their country. Putin wants no negotiations

[@johanmetreus1268]

@@gwynedd1 There was a crisis, which ended with USA removing their atomic missiles from Turkey and guaranteed Cuba's territory, the latter the very reason Cuba wanted them to begin with: preventing USA invasion.

[@gwynedd1]

@@johanmetreus1268 The US was well on its way to invading and in the case of Panama the US did invade because its not going to let geo strategic resources be utilized against it.. It reminds me exactly of another situation much more recently.

[@os5084]

It is rather quite funny that during the conversation on Russian aggression on Ukraine, Mr Chomsky spend most time on complaining on US.

[@bernardberube6538]

Because USA is a bully.

[@drawingablank746]

That's only funny if you don't critically listen to him, and haven't ever been familiar with his perspectives. At 17:16 he explains why he spends most time "complaining on US": "There is sort of a guiding principle that we should be keeping in mind no matter what the issue. The most important question is 'what can we do about it?', not 'what can somebody else do about it?' That's worth talking about, but from the most elementary point of view, the major question is 'what can we do about it?' And we can in principle, at least, do a lot about US policy, less about other things, so I think that's where the focus of our attention and energy should be." He wants his government to be accountable. Nothing funny about that, and I'd even argue it's tragic considering the US government's abysmal track record in respecting international law.

[@LittleRapGuy]

We need to understand the breaching method/s that American history was supposed to be about also.

[@maryannecomment3302]

Thank you for saying that negotiation is the only solution that saves lives and prevents destruction. The war is a distraction, not a solution. It is terrible. People lose their lives, the country will be destroyed, and soldiers will have to fight until the end. And then they still will have to negotiate for their future as a country.

[@gatorbuc99]

Exactly correct. It’s sad that so many political leaders in the west are completely OK with using Ukrainians as cannon fodder, while unbelievably claiming to “support Ukraine”, pouring weapons in that only exacerbate and prolong the conflict (thus resulting in more and more deaths)…it’s even sadder that so many have been propagandized into believing this is the correct position.

[@sdsa007]

Thank you for giving people a clearer picture of what is really happening in foreign affairs. I wish there was a version of Noam in Russia, and another one China and they can all reason with each other on the intercept, and help guide us toward peace on earth without nuclear arms or the climate change threat of rampant fossil fuel production. I wish I could be sure that any military to go nuclear will be rebuked and enslaved to the entire world. May such evil militaries be deported to Mars.

[@michaelnice93]

Catastrophic Climate change is a lie. When ‘intelligent people’ hype this debunked concept then it certainly will make the alien observers Chomsky invokes laugh heartily.

[@luciddream2033]

Peace is simple but nationalist would rather kill to preserve their borders.

[@2011littlejohn1]

I wish his version which is in the U.S. was actually heard.

[@newinternetuser9579]

@@2011littlejohn1 Good luck with that, US believes that it is righteous and whatever it does is correct.

[@os5084]

If there is Russian/Chinese version he is dead or in prison. Appreciate that fact.

[@MIB_63]

Good points. Negotiation is the only way of avoiding a total destruction of Ukraine. Even Zelensky knows that but NATO and the West (read: the MIC) will do anything in their power to push for an escalation of the war regardless of the costs. As Noam Chomsky points out the best thing would be turning Ukraine into a neutral country like Mexico. If this had happened earlier the war could most likely have been avoided and many lives would have been saved.

[@johanmetreus1268]

No, it *might* have done that, but given there was loads of diplomatic talks in the month(s) prior to the invasion started, there is no certainty what so ever. Furthermore, neutrality would only work if there was some actual guarantees of Ukraine's independence and sovereignty, and this far Kremlin's word is worth less than bad breath.

[@MIB_63]

@@johanmetreus1268 I disagree but you're entitled to have your own opinion.

[@johanmetreus1268]

@@MIB_63 , civility on the Internet? I am positively surprised :) Agree to disagree then.

[@Bee.Holder]

@@johanmetreus1268Are you quite sure that everything that is humanly possible has been done prior to invasion? Furthermore, are you quite sure that Russians can not be trusted even if it means signing an international agreement? You obviously follow the mainstream narrative, it'll be a battle to the last Ukrainian. God have mercy upon their souls, they gave their lives for US supremacy. Slava Ukraini.

[@johanmetreus1268]

@@Bee.Holder , I have Russia across the local lake, I don't need a narrative. What I do need is proof that Kremlin CAN be trusted, and from what I have seen since about -97, I trust them like I trust Trump. Putin is a gopnik in a suit, and the president has no politibureau that could temper the power. This is what *I* feel about Kremlin (distinct entity, very little to do with Russians). Now, do you think Ukraine will be more trustful than I am, or less? If you want Zelensky to sign a treaty where Ukraine is to be neutral and demilitarized, you better get him something far more substantial than Putin's signature on a paper.

[@jamesbuffer4120]

I don't trust Noam in any way. We all should be careful with this dingbat. Sounds great, seems to be playing both sides at different times. Careful !!!!

[@anatolikbelikov]

I have nothing but respect for professor Noam Chomsky and all the work that he has done. But as a Russian-Ukrainian I found both insulting and blind that we have 2 options, either Ukraine is destroyed or we go for negotiations. On the first day of the war, the CIA was telling that Kyiv will fault in 3 days. Well, it didn't happen and quite opposite happened. Well, fair enough that we can't make safe predictions based on the past. But we can make predictions based on today and today's reality shows that Ukrainians are more than capable to fight back and even get back those parts of the country that was taken by Russians. Just give us enough weapons. Though it doesn't matter now cause according to FT - Putin has lost any interest in negotiations due to the loss of the flagman ship Moskva last week. So now we're in the position either the EU and the US provide Ukraine with all needed help or Ukraine and all the democratic world lose. No negotiations.

[@aceace9848]

Thank you Professor Noam Chomsky!