Noam Chomsky - Migrant Crisis

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[@marcelvermeulen9550]

As for Belgium and the Congo, the statue's of the criminal king Leopold II are still standing and that's a shame !

[@CuteEplet]

personaly i want statues of important history figures even if they are evil. Its an important part of our history and should be taught and remembered.

[@thomasnaess742]

@@CuteEpletHaving a statue of Leopold II in the Congo is pretty equivalent to having a statue of Hitler in Israel, given that half the population of the Congo were killed, about 5 million people. It's one thing to not disregard important historical figures because they did other bad things, but this another thing entirely.

[@khaldabdi2079]

@@CuteEplet it is important but should not be open;y displayed put it in the museum to showcase his atrocities.

[@CuteEplet]

@Copy yea i kinda regret that comment, the recent statue drama changed my mind.

[@coreycox2345]

@@CuteEplet We should make special note of the atrocities to keep them from happening again when we can.

[@surendipity1]

Brilliant.

[@M-a-k-o]

What a pillar of wisdom, humanity and knowledge this Noam Chomsky. A piece of hope in a hopeless world.

[@adamski8985]

bruh haha

[@M-a-k-o]

@@joedoe2672 During the Covid Plandemic Chomsky has shown the typical leftish authoritarian traits. This was a big disappointmen for me. Also the garbage he talked about the climate crisis. I think he is too old to think clearly.

[@thesumeriangod5421]

9 years olds when he heard Hitler speeches and he still remembers

[@aek12]

He remember hitler speech not his dad. He was hitler man

[@angelrodartejr.9948]

If you want anyone to blame, blame the US-ISRAELI-SAUDI coalition. The Middle East used to be sovereign, democratic, secular nations that afforded their people great qualities of life. Authoritarian ruled sure, but advanced nonetheless. Libya had shining cities, Damascus had a well educated populace, and Iraq was stable. The hubris of the US and NATO had other plans. Geopolitical control of the natural resources, the advancement of the petro-dollar, and playing chicken with the Russians and Chinese is priority, and no charge of war crime would get in the way. Millions have perished and are now without a home because of proxies like ISIS, engineered dissent by the CIA and Mossad, and military invasion by the US and NATO. Westerners that don't know any better will endlessly blame Arabs for their own ills and justify their unapologetic racism, but just follow the blood money trail and you will find we are all victims to the greed of multinational corporations, wealthy elites, and terraforming generals.

[@jonstarks5427]

Amen!

[@TheRandomBiscuit]

@Daniel Balter you literally refuted none of this points. Are you saying that the US and NATO had nothing to do with the destabilization of multiple Middle Eastern nations, which were advancing socially (although through some through dictators)? Are you saying that they did not invade, plan and support coups, and overall foster resentment in the native populations of these nations? Please, enlighten us.

[@covfefe1787]

@@TheRandomBiscuit why should Europeans pay for the crimes of their corrupt politicians. this is clear and targeted against indigenous Europeans why not Asia Japan and China need immigrants why not them?

[@JK12518]

@@TheRandomBiscuit Yes some are dictators...hmmm....which ones man? Please enlighten ME.

[@lorenzomcnally6629]

As if Arab Nations are guilt free of War, murder, starvation, disease, rape, incest and slavery and theft. Guilty for centuries of everything they accuse Western nations of. Centuries before and after the Ancient Jewish state of Israel. 1200 BC. AND THEN 1948. The rebirth of the Nation of Israel. The FIRST COUSINS OF ALL SEMITIC ARAB NATIONS. SINCE 2000 BC AND THE God of Abraham.

[@korle521]

when he says "we". "we" means not America, since he was born here, "we" means the world and humanity

[@vimbembrook7408]

One of the most wise men still alive, if not the wisest one. Beside the most educated. I take hat for you Mr. Chomsky. GOD bless you to teach the world

[@summittrading3258]

Just because you’re educated doesn’t mean you are right

[@vimbembrook7408]

@@summittrading3258 That is, totally, correct.But always, there are some exceptions. Right?😏

[@covfefe1787]

@@vimbembrook7408 he advocates for mass migration for foreigners while bankrolling Israel and not letting Palestinian people vote.

[@JelloTalks]

My left ear loves Noam Chomsky

[@Richard_Straker]

I have mixed feelings about this. His macro analysis is probably correct, however the general populations of Europe did not decide imperialist policies. Yet it's working people who end up having immigrants forced on them by elites.

[@bonafidemonafide7810]

The general populations of Europe continue to vote for representatives who bolster said policies and invest their money into the products of companies and corporations who also bolster said policies.

[@lorenzomcnally6629]

​@@bonafidemonafide7810 No they did not vote for the EU and the NWO and United Nations world government.and they are just beginning to fight back all across the World. The Left have become the New NAZIS IF THE WORLD

[@nikosz66]

Τhis man is a genious, and fair like a saint !

[@OneDawkinsFan]

Always interesting to hear the old man talking...

[@morqesahar]

Is there a reupload of the full lecture somewhere? Cause the linked channel has been terminated.

[@paulmcgrath3248]

His explanation and delivery ,only serve s to give me a pain in the left side of my head.

[@Aladinyo_93]

Brilliant noam chomsky is my favorite political philosopher

[@ghhttt77]

truth spoken

[@gutsymovies]

Can you please upload the full lecture again? The link provided is broken and I believe due to KZbin breaking the links for unlisted videos. What a pain...

[@ifeanyianene6770]

Please can you let me know if you found it? Thanks!

[@renatedebruyn9612]

The world needs more Chomsky ❤️

[@michasosnowski5918]

I am blown up be Chomsky over the past few days. So much truth told. Its hard but enlightening. Thank you.

[@unironalhabibi6846]

Thanks for your honest talk, I wish the bed guys listen and get impress !!!!! But they will never, because they have stones in their chests not harts 😥😥😥

[@d.obrien2892]

Europe? What about Ireland, Portugal, Italy, Poland, Romania, Switzerland, Austria etc. etc. etc.

[@decnijfkris3706]

A question of morality. How do Germans deal with immigrants? Contrary to Belgium, Germany is much more positive about the immigrant crisis. One day I had ordered a package with DHL. On the delivery day a man, not speaking a common language, knocked at my door with that package. It was the DHL delivery boy using all kind of signs to show me where I had to sign. Which country on earth does more effort to rehabilitate a so called lost soul and give the man a fair chance? Just tell me. If all European countries adapted the same attitude the immigrant crisis would be over in a blink. That is the German approach to a global problem. A question of morality...

[@DaneCAndersen]

The Lebanon point about taking in a huge number of Muslim migrants is diminished considering their recent history...

[@bobbycalifornia7077]

What climate change mass migration?

[@nicevideomancanada]

The more that I learn from this great man the more I'm astonished about how little I have known about how the western world has treated others in developing countries. I live in Western Canada. I tried to greet a muslim man on our construction site who appeared to be a recent immigrant to our country, well, let's just say the feeling wasn't mutual. In the NE of my city of Calgary, Alberta it's an ethnic population mostly and there in shops these recent immigrants try to rip me off all of the time by charging more than regular price. I'm just not used to this behavior. I now think that it may be a mistake letting some of these people into our country as worse trouble may come eventually. That's my 3 cent's worth.

[@michaelmccartney8506]

the uae isnt poor...nor saudi arabia...

[@justinvestal26]

What is Israel's role in creating the crisis and how many migrants have they taken in?

[@angelobkoljenovic9528]

We are selves of the Israel politics, The Israel lobby holds massive sway over U.S. politics. If the Israel lobby didn't exist we wouldn't have gone to war after 9/11.

[@newyorkcity76]

Morocco biggest immigrants exporters

[@medievalmusiclover]

All what He say is the true Moral is the issue, but the Roman Empire finally fall and now inspires will fall as well, all is about time justice of GOD.

[@ryshenton]

The thing is, you have all these people from different cultures and parts of the world, you know next to nothing about them, and...I believe many of them seriously have a massive grudge against us not to mention it's difficult enough for us to get along with our own kind. Unfortunately, many human beings cannot see beyond their petty differences.

[@alexj7440]

No shit. When you keep overthrowing democratic governments to install American puppets, people are going to be mad.

[@adash7841]

Who told you developed countries to destroy their home

[@foodchewer]

@@alexj7440 Fair enough, but be mad at the states and the people in power that make these things happen. Don't be mad at the suffering, striving classes that live under these states. The American people are not the American state. It's that simple.

[@demoninbed]

Who wants Clinton now?

[@dexterdexter402]

Soren Gillaspy Noam Chomsky wants Hillary. he has expressed his vote for Hillary over trump given the two options

[@AceofDlamonds]

Soren you are stupid as fuck. Shut up.

[@meljackman8462]

but didnt germany take one million, canada also took a huge amount of syrian refugees, and france has sooooooo many african and mulsim migrants...is this really accurate?

[@alisedighi7833]

Canada only accepts the most highly educated refugees, because they know that they will need a strong labour force to offset the aging population. The country accepts the highly educated not only because these people already have high levels of education, but also, they are motivated, and they bring with them social capital. The refugees are also willing to work for much less pay than Canadians with the same skills and levels of education. In short, the elite need a skilled reserve army of labour.

[@surfer4478]

Europe has a tiny migrant population? Get your facts straight!'

[@hachre]

The timing of this new-found morality in the west is very poor. We have an entire generation of people who have no perspective, very high debt, mostly very shitty jobs or no jobs at all, no wealth, no expectation of wealth. We are standing months away from the beginning of the worst recession in a hundred years. We are facing what could be the end of the world financial system as we know it. And now - of all times - all of the sudden the west wants to take on all of the world's problems?! Well good luck with that!

[@howiyehbieber2331]

thanks for the silly comment

[@angryreader8857]

Harald Glatt Despite all of that, you will still a thousand times more than the people who you must help.

[@chomskysphilosophy]

But many of these problems are caused by us.. When we bomb other countries and steal their resources, shouldn't we deal with the consequences? Or is it better to let other countries take the costs? We can help refugees *and* poor workers at home. These are rich societies. Instead of screaming at poor traumatized refugees, maybe we should be more focused on having the rich and the huge corporations pay more taxes?

[@hachre]

+xtianisgreat34 Fully agree

[@JonROlsen]

And what you should know ,is that a handful of people are going to walk away enormously enriched by the ,crash of humanity, that they created and we, inadvertently participated in, while we were watching our lives unfold on TV.

[@sgordon8123]

Actually it is incorrect to blame "the Belgians" it was one royal super rich Belgian man - nothing to do with the people or their government ... King Leopold. He was evil in the Congo not "the Belgians".

[@riccardo9383]

I never knew a king was just a peasant in Belgium. True democracy even then? How incredible.

[@the81kid]

"The Belgians" refers to Belgium as a world power. Sure, probably more than 90% of the US population have nothing to do with the USA's crimes, but that doesn't change anything: the entire US economy is geared towards war.

[@pvb9964]

The one MOST important issue Chomsky is dodging is that the current massive influx of refugees or migrants, economic or otherwise, to western democratic countries, is mostly of believers in a religion that espouses, inherent in it's dictates, a philosophy diametrically at odds with western secular liberalism. This mix, as proven throughtout history, will lead to conflict of unimaginable proportions, distracting and annulling all the important other issues that Chomsky addresses as extremely necessary for human survival.

[@chomskysphilosophy]

The West has supported dictators and Islamic extremists for decades. Is that "at odds with secular liberalism" as well? Maybe we should look more at our own leaders and foreign policy before we start lecturing people fleeing from war and mayhem? kzbin.info/www/bejne/qaO3e4GXe6mqeJY

[@johnsmith92704]

Of course this is at odds with secular liberalism, I don't think it's an either or scenario. It is perfectly valid to critique the unjustified interventions of our own leaders, whilst simultaneously addressing the problem with the cultural attitudes of migrants. You word it as 'lecturing people fleeing from war and mayhem'. Well, if a proportion of the demographic of people fleeing war and mayhem, sympathize and actively work towards the destruction of societies (as distinct from states) that accept them, lecturing would be the least I could do. My parents fled war in Sri Lanka and one of the repeated values instilled into me was to appreciate the secular liberalism and social freedoms enjoyed in the West. It was also to understand the distinction between those manipulators that wield the power of the state, and the general populous/society. Characterizing it as people fleeing 'war and mayhem' is far too simplistic unfortunately. As much as 60% of migrants seeking asylum into the EU are not fleeing war or persecution, according to the vice president of the European commission. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/12123684/Six-in-ten-migrants-not-entitled-to-asylum-says-EU-chief.html I understand Chomsky's point about focusing on the consequences of our own actions. I simply extend his logic to the issue of immigration as well. To allow extremist terrorist migrants into our countries is to spit on those who are genuinely fleeing prosecution, and it is perfectly reasonable to demand an adequate system to separate between migrants fleeing war and economic migrants or religious fundamentalists. In fact, considering we live in (at least quasi) democratic societies, we bear responsibility for the extremists allowed into our countries who claim lives, as well as the plight of those genuinely fleeing warfare by not demanding better from our elected representatives (assuming you live in a relevant European country). The Rotherham sex scandal is another prime example of a failure of the public to take responsibility for what is directly in their control. Nobody should be afraid to report child-sex grooming/pedophilia, especially of some fatuous charge of 'Islamophobia'. It is a simple matter of principle. All of this responsibility that I state is not mutually exclusive from the responsibility of ours to also demand action against our states for their transgressions and war crimes abroad.

[@ramseybeing]

You've been reading the wrong material. Have you ever been to Syria? Have you seen how they used to live? Or just guessing? Are you implying that blocking Muslim refugees from entering is essential for human survival? Do you believe that? Integration programs would be a pragmatic approach to the larger influx of refugees to help them acclimatise to the new society. Islam is the largest religion in the UK, so is that causing imminent threat to the survival of 50m people? Syria was a secular country, very liberal for Middle East standards, probably the most liberal behind Lebanon only. So, I don't think he missed out any major point.

[@danzel1157]

p al. You're confusing Islam with Islamic fundamentalism. I don't know whether you even know that.

[@patricktruchon9153]

Ramsey Kestrel How can you acclimatize people who refuse to do so? The only solution I can see lies not in mass migration but in helping the countries of Africa to stabilize and have true democracy. The first world west must invest some of their ill gotten gains in helping Africa to deal with the problems the west has created. Importing islam to wreck t west will not accomplish anything but hatred, war and the eventual total demise of democracy. I truly feel for the misfortune that African peoples have endured, but mass migration is not and will never be the answer.

[@YOSUP315]

The problem is refugees need to go to a culture they're compatible with, not some country they're all pissy at for supposedly destabilizing them. It seems like a much better idea that middle-eastern countries should absorb then repatriate middle eastern refugees, that Hispanic countries should absorb Hispanic refugees, and that western countries should absorb western refugees. They won't create nearly as much culture shock, and they're closer to home for repatriation.

[@rocking4joy]

Dude refugees hardly have choice, it's a luxury refugees don't enjoy. Also don't confuse refugees with illegal immigrants and political asylum seekers.

[@Baron-nv1ez]

The United States government caused a good deal of the harm that has contributed to the Political and Economic destabilization of many Central American countries, but there are better ways to help those people that don't involve bringing them to this country where they are culturally incompatible. The American corporations that are mainly responsible for all the harm done to Central America should be the ones to foot the bill and be obligated to send humanitarian aide to those effected nations that include food, water, and medicine. It's completely stupid for the average American who has his or her fair share of problems in this country to have to fix problems they didn't personally cause, especially people like me that were born after the 80's when most of the damage was being done.

[@robbie9512]

I'm still on Chomsky to talk about who controls the United States.

[@7lllll]

we are all very aware of what happened to the u.s. when a huge number of european migrants went there, and that is precisely why people are against repeating the same mistake in europe today

[@the80386]

are you being sarcastic?

[@7lllll]

80386 no i am being literal. the muslims often behave like colonists, becoming mostly self-sufficient and occasionally exploiting the native population, having their own leaders. it takes hundreds of years until the native population is mostly wiped out, but europe is slowly heading in that direction. it is the modern age, so the colonists are not overtly going to war with the native europeans, but there are true parallels with the american migrant crisis of hundreds of years ago

[@alisedighi7833]

@@7lllll Yes, but the refugees are not being supported by any foreign government. They are not organized. They are not invading lands with a bunch of smaller tribes scattered across a vast continent. Does that make sense? Here's a better explanation by someone else. matt234567 4 months ago "First of all the estimates of natives dying in the Americas from genocide and disease in the tens of millions actually 20-100 million depending on the source. The reason being is that of course they had worse technology and were naïve to the extents which the 'civilised' foreigners went to expel and slaughter them. You have to realise the massive differences in why something like that could happen then to them and not in a modern western country. For one there was no single nation, system of governance, public relations, communications etc, there were many smaller tribes that had lived there for tens of thousands of years. Many were egalitarian and didn't know war. You are comparing Europeans that came under order from kings and queens with a united goal, they carried advanced weaponry and disease with the intent of enslaving and exploiting. And he compared this to refugees coming that are escaping wars that among them have a few bad apples but no organised effort. There is no common goal among refugees to take over Europe and more importantly there in no system of command. I mean its just insanity to even equate the two." And why do you racists make everything about religion? People from Muslim countries don't eat, breathe, and shit religion. They eat, breathe, shit, and fuck like everyone else.

[@7lllll]

@@alisedighi7833 they had worse technology - no were naïve to the extents which the 'civilised' foreigners went to expel and slaughter them - yes there was no single nation, system of governance, public relations, communications etc - no there were many smaller tribes that had lived there for tens of thousands of years - yes, except maybe the tens of thousands of years part, migrations during the ancient times put the time scale shorter, but i would expect similar situations in the u.s. case too Many were egalitarian and didn't know war - yes, europe is egalitarian, and they have forgotten the war of only a few generations ago came under order from kings and queens with a united goal - somewhat. european colonists were also quite disorganized, and notice saudi arabian funding of radical mosques. it is less overt, but there is something similar going on refugees coming that are escaping wars - yes, absolutely the european refugees were also escaping wars there are differences as pointed out in the previous post, but there are many similarities, and similar problems. i say "muslim" because that's the common feature among them, the same way i say "europeans." i cannot say "middle eastern" because many of them are african

[@glennsmythe8566]

You're ducking the truth and you're not saying it like it should be said keeping it safe should sell a book or two

[@mariahauxwell905]

terrible simplification of why history should dictate future. the world evolves rapidly, with 9/11 paling into insignificance vs the blitz or dresden or hiroshima or stalingrad etc. etc. in terms of human tragedy, but surpassing them politically to be on a par with the holocaust. remember the holocaust noam, when civilians were marched to their death after being robbed, starved and brutalised. ideas matter, and there has undoubtedly been an attempt by western powers to play off "unstable" parts of the world against each other, but anywhere a religious totalitarianism/theocracy guarantees a road to paradise and avoidance of hell fire through a perfectly legitimate literate interpretation of divine propaganda, rational, civil people must resist. today matters, but not as much as tomorrow and its hard as a parent to be optimistic when nonsense, fairy tales and pure naked opportunism give humanity its most battle scarred prophet. the powerful aim to control. the informed seek to acquire power and the ignorant do what they must to survive. read the quoran, hadith and sunnah, apply a literal interpretation to its command as a willing "slave", and you see there is a problem beyond politics. i worry for minorities being stamped out of existence wherever islam claims precedent over decency, and for muslims impotent through ostrafication and perhaps physical violence living in the west who face the backlash. the solution is obvious. say nothing to your parents, but tell your children that this prophet was a bad man, who did bad things, and made everyone scared, but just forget about him and he won't be a problem. read this book my lovely daughter, and dream of liberty. it doesn't matter what the book is, as long as its irreligious and she can read.

[@kevinspacey6090]

You can deal with it by sinking their ships

[@tomam1100]

I agree with Zizek on this one. The left shouldn't be making the argument that Syrians are bad people, they should be talking that providing them refuge is about their fundamental human right to life

[@joaquimdiascardososalgueir9176]

I do respect and admire Mr Chomsky as a great sage. Nevertheless, Europe is very different from America, by it's history, it's culture, it's geographical position. Mr Noam Chomsky ought to spend some more time in Europe to understand it's peoples better

[@Peace_Guard]

I like Noam very much, but he tends to be very ignorant on non-state dangers. Well, he claims himself at 00:29 to 00:42 an example of how a migrant crisis eliminates the indigenous population. Then he proceeds just like that giving advice on how to let ourselves (in Europe) be eliminated. Most of the people in here are not anti-refugee or anti-migrant or anti any specific ethnicity or nationality, but they are anti-Islam supremacy. The same way as large part of Europe had to defend against Nazis, it has to defend against Islam. Polls about what is in the brains of Muslim refugees/migrants in Europe are well known and they don't shed much positive light on them: www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx Europe can either defend against it or be the late Roman Empire dissolving from within by more primitive influences.

[@emeliedenmodige2470]

Another rightwing minority who talks for the majority right?????????

[@Stratahoovius]

I like Noam too, but he seems to believe that pure religious belief and zeal cannot ever be the driving factor behind certain behaviours - which is incorrect.

[@matt234567]

What makes you think that it is pure religious zeal, Sam Harris? I see all these experts on youtube providing opinions but no evidence.. There are expert on these things like Scott Atran, you just need to listen to his videos and you will see that. Do you think that Chomsky somehow in his years of research would miss such a significant fact if it was one. No. On the surface it looks like religious zeal and that's what governments need you to believe in order to keep public opinion on their side. I mean just listen to an interview of Bin laden, he states his goals and motivations clearly and even says that even if there was no Allah he would be forced to fight the US all for geopolitical reasons and for reasons he considers injustice. Peace Guards comment is incredibly off it is just insensitive. First of all the estimates of natives dying in the Americas from genocide and disease in the tens of millions actually 20-100 million depending on the source. The reason being is that of course they had worse technology and were naïve to the extents which the 'civilised' foreigners went to expel and slaughter them. You have to realise the massive differences in why something like that could happen then to them and not in a modern western country. For one there was no single nation, system of governance, public relations, communications etc, there were many smaller tribes that had lived there for tens of thousands of years. Many were egalitarian and didn't know war. You are comparing Europeans that came under order from kings and queens with a united goal, they carried advanced weaponry and disease with the intent of enslaving and exploiting. And he compared this to refugees coming that are escaping wars that among them have a few bad apples but no organised effort. There is no common goal among refugees to take over Europe and more importantly there in no system of command. I mean its just insanity to even equate the two.

[@lidosai7944]

Isn't it ironic that the same argument used by the Nazis of old and those of today to justify hatred against the Jews is the one used to justify hatred of Islam and Muslims today; ( they have a secret plan to dominate the world and we've got to protect ourselves). We live at a time that is no different than the 30's & 40's with regard to Jews in Europe or Jim Crow era in the US with regard to Blacks. Only difference is that now it's the Muslims turn. Chomsky in another video said it perfectly, " A lot of people are racists but they wouldn't admit it but anti Arab racism oh they would admit it openly.". Being a racist against Muslims these days can win public office as was demonstrated more than once. The hypocrisy and double standards in passing judgement on large swaths of people because of a few criminals in their midst while not applying the same to one's own group is either philosophical illiteracy or intellectual dishonesty. @ matt234567 , that was a reply worthy of reading and contemplating. I enjoyed it , thanks for taking the time.

[@SDCLFC1]

You are in no danger of being eliminated. Like the Nazis, fanatics who have power and want to keep power like the people being scared of others. Then the Jews, now Islam.

[@nimishak9015]

While all you say is true professor Chomsky, my question is why are the citizens of these brutal regimes not taking any action to gain their right to self-determination and freedom of speech? Why are they not fighting to implement a democracy where they too will have their opinion counted? We have never seen any public uprising happening in the GCC countries. What is the reason for this? Countries and made by people and my experience with a few GCC nations tells me that they are happy and satisfied with the regimes in their respective countries.

[@cachifli870]

Europe and the US support these regimes

[@chriswatson1698]

Migration has always been a response to overpopulation. Now every place in the world is now overpopulated. Blame everything on whitey.

[@1872959]

Sorry Mr.Chomsky but a government isn't obligated to work in the best interest of morality but its citizens.

[@pacificalliance3782]

Then don't you think that in order to help its own citizens it needs to not harm the citizens of other countries? Does that not make any sense to right wingers?

[@Peace_Guard]

+ Pacific Alliance I like Noam very much, but he tends to be very ignorant on non-state dangers. Well, he claims himself at 00:29 to 00:42 an example of how a migrant crisis eliminates the indigenous population. Then he proceeds just like that giving advice on how to let ourselves (in Europe) be eliminated. Most of the people in here are not anti-refugee or anti-migrant or anti any specific ethnicity or nationality, but they are anti-Islam supremacy. The same way as large part of Europe had to defend against Nazis, it has to defend against Islam. Polls about what is in the brains of Muslim refugees/migrants in Europe are well known and they don't shed much positive light on them: www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx Europe can either defend against it or be the late Roman Empire dissolving from within by more primitive influences.

[@danzel1157]

Chris Russell. It usually amounts to the same thing.

[@2011littlejohn1]

Even if you ignore the morality and just look at practicality yours is a very short term viewpoint.

[@nuclearcatbaby1131]

Well, the U.S. did make a huge mess and ought to take their part in helping to clean it up. But the U.S. people themselves aren't to blame and shouldn't be made to suffer for it. I say let's have the warmongers who made billions from funding ISIS and destroying Iraq and Libya pay to rehome these refugees. Have the West take the Christian ones and Islamic countries take the Muslims.

[@conordevery2306]

I disagree with so much of what Chomsky says here, whom I admire so much as intellectual figure. He is not as informed about the European migration crisis as he thinks he is and his speech here is a gross simplification of the crisis.

[@brotheroats880]

I agree that the EU shouldn’t take too many migrants all at once but you have to admit it was created by them and that most migrants are pushed into neighbouring countries, not all funnelled directly to the EU

[@conordevery2306]

@@brotheroats880 I wouldn't necessarily say that the migration crisis was created by the E.U., certain members of the E.U. (U.K. and France in particular) bear the blame but I would say it was NATO which as an organisation was the most guilty for the migrant crisis. You'll get no argument from me though that it wasn't disasterous military interventions by certain Western countries that caused the migration crisis. I just wonder why Chomsky never mentions that refugees and migrants continually contravened international law by leaving the first country that offers them safe refuge in Europe normally Italy, Greece and Spain to move towards the more developed welfare economies of the Northern States for example.

[@brotheroats880]

Conor Devery it’s most likely because Greece and Italy are pretty xenophobic and their economy’s are awful atm, I went to Greece a couple years back and the General mood was that most people were scared of the migrants, wanted them sent back or thought their current economy couldn’t support them (which is fair enough). So most of the time migrants aren’t excepted by the government nor the people, I’m guessing it’s a similar situation in Italy though I’m not actually sure but given their current nationalist political climate I wouldn’t say it’s a stretch. But tbh I’m not wholly educated on the topic besides knowing that a few of the rape statistics are debunked. (Also idk but I thought Spain’s economy was pretty average)

[@conordevery2306]

@@brotheroats880 The thing is though none of the countries mentioned are unsafe. If migrants are not looking for security but instead for economic advantage then it is a lot harder to make sense of the moral indignation of some like Chomsky. I see no ethical problem with say for example Austria or Croatia, countries in Europe who did not take any part in the bombing of Libya or support for militants in Syria refusing to take migrants. I think they are fully justified in doing so.

[@brotheroats880]

Conor Devery yeah I agree with Austria and Croatia but my main point was that migrants are often not accepted into Greece and Italy whom are the closest safe countries so they have to make the move to Germany or France or Spain, etc. but at the same time I’m unsure on how much Greece and Italy had to do with any activity in the Middle East (maybe bar WW2 Italy)

[@ropl3083]

Have no illusions - the vast majority of migrants coming into the United States are economic migrants who wish to live in the United States, where many of them have extended families which they hope to rely on as they set roots in the United States to settle permanently in search of a more prosperous life. Can't judge them. This country (America) was founded by people with the same exact aspirations. But the Left is trying to make it seem like the Hondurans are coming to the US as refugees fleeing persecution by a US backed government. They do that because that fits their narratives. It's called politics.

[@somebodyonce5976]

Have no idea where you're getting that idea from. Many of the Hondurans fleeing to America are doing so due to gang warfare, something which the government is unable to control. This is valid reason under the UN Refugee Convention which is also US law.

[@chicken2782]

Back when I was a very young man without any real life experience I used to admire this person for his critical thinking and sensible solutions for humanity problems. And now, as a grown man baptized in the reality of the world, I realize this man has subversive motives and conspires against all human life. Crafty old sorcerer.

[@angelrodartejr.9948]

If you want anyone to blame, blame the US-ISRAELI-SAUDI coalition. The Middle East used to be sovereign, democratic, secular nations that afforded their people great qualities of life. Authoritarian ruled sure, but advanced nonetheless. Libya had shining cities, Damascus had a well educated populace, and Iraq was stable. The hubris of the US and NATO had other plans. Geopolitical control of the natural resources, the advancement of the petro-dollar, and playing chicken with the Russians and Chinese is priority, and no charge of war crime would get in the way. Millions have perished and are now without a home because of proxies like ISIS, engineered dissent by the CIA and Mossad, and military invasion by the US and NATO. Westerners that don't know any better will endlessly blame Arabs for their own ills and justify their unapologetic racism, but just follow the blood money trail and you will find we are all victims to the greed of multinational corporations, wealthy elites, and terraforming generals.

[@undeadpresident]

You should read Synagogue of Satan by A.C. Hitchcock or at least the Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders Zion. It will take your understanding of all this to the next level.

[@Idalych]

Angel Rodarte Jr. agreed. US needs to learn from Latinamerican philosophies like Martí and Bolivar. Politics must fit its people and the terrain. There is no one-size fits all style of government.

[@betrousaltaweel]

Angel Rodarte Jr. Such elementary bullshit. When was the middle East democratic? Certainly wasn't under any Baathists. The Baath movement has spent 50 years coming to power in violent coups and then turning the Arab world into rubble. Yeah Iraq was so stable with its ethnic cleansings of Kurds, shia marsh arabs and its two illegal invasions of Kuwait and Iran. Damascus had a well educated populace considering that Baathist Syria had more state intelligence agencies than it ever did universities. Baathist in Damascus had 40 years to concentrate more on boosting growth but instead they just kept investing in the state security apparatus and cracking down on dissent. Notice how even before the war the educated, skilled people didn't stay in Syria they migrated to the gulf, Americas and Europe.