Noam Chomsky - Necessary Illusions (Full Massey Lecture, High Audio Quality)

[@squatch545]

In case people are wondering: this is a radio broadcast of the 1988 Massey Lectures for the CBC (Canadian Broadcast Corporation). Every year since 1961, The Massey Lectures has invited a noted scholar or writer to give a series of 5 lectures on an important topic of contemporary concern over the course of a week.

[@squatch545]

John Mulligan Not sure what you mean..

[@squatch545]

John Mulligan In this case, no. Chomsky was in a studio giving the lecture. I remember from the radio broadcast he took questions from a few CBC pundits/journalists after each lecture, but I don't think those were included in the released audio version.

[@juligonzalez4999]

Hi! Does any of you know whether there is a written script of these lectures? I'm from Argentina and I'm studying Chomsky's lecture as part of Language II at teacher training college. I would like to get the whole lecture because I'm writing down notes but almost everything is important and writing the whole thing down takes a lot of time.

[@richardsheehan6983]

Thank you Joe.

[@roberthopkins363]

@@squatch545 g8ih

[@ColonialPuppet]

Steve Reich is the composer of the opening music if anyone’s wondering

[@Eoin_D]

Nobody is 🤣 ps respect for knowing Can anyone imagine if everyone had the same consciousness as Noam and his ilk I, myself, am somewhat of a hypocrit, as my life is somewhzy good but I would love to be able to have No's courage

[@snatcherofpeachs]

it's a nice piece of music. thanks.

[@chesteranand8845]

But which piece

[@ColonialPuppet]

@@chesteranand8845 It's called, 'Variations for Winds, Strings, Keyboards''

[@apolloforabetterfuture4814]

Reich is a total genius

[@AzraelCame2nite]

My second time listening to this. Such brilliance.

[@JoBlogz]

can you note the different broad topics he covers?

[@Picnuts]

​@@JoBlogz this is not meant for you. This is not the dark web Club this is the WWW club. And it's still available if you choose it. Thank you bye.

[@MrSatoriSan_0]

Good God, the professor is so eloquent and articulate I have to run dictionary searches every 3 minutes~~ There's very little redundancy in his words, he says just enough to get the point across. So amazing~

[@DowntownsUptown]

Welcome to the club! Electronic books are terrific with Chomsky; built in dictionaries! ;)

[@carlovincetti1352]

Noam may say a word or two here and there I have never heard before. Listening to what he is saying with intent, can be well understood by most people. Swallowing it is difficult for some. My introduction to Noam was refreshing giving reassurance to my thoughts. The closes to Noam in alternative media I think I've ever heard could only be "Democracy Now" on public tv and radio for non-biased news.

[@nonameslb]

"THE GRAYZONE"

[@moodist1er]

@@nonameslb the gray zone is trash, so is democracy now.

[@nonameslb]

@@moodist1er what is good for you?Fox news?Grayzone is amazing.

[@VoodooDangerbird]

Breaking Points… at times…🔮

[@tertiary7]

1:35:14 his response to this question is so good. KZbin has helped get good work out to the masses even more so than back when this was said.

[@abetrasken]

KZbin (Google) is just another tool for control. That such videos are allowed speaks only to the level of freedom that people expect on the internet. Whereas in the time this was recorded public consumption of media could be easily limited/determined by elite organisations, post-internet these things are allowed but are drowned out by a mass of mind-numbing content or misinformation, whilst the "algorithms" make it very hard for such information to be found by those who aren't looking for it. What has really helped get good work out to the people are those who preserved such footage and made sure that it was made accessible to people on KZbin (probably footing quite a bill in the process.) Have you noticed the change in results from Google searches over the last 10 years?

[@ernstraedecker6174]

1:32:05 So there are three kinds of bloodbaths: [1] benign bloodbaths (the ones nobody cares about) [2] constructive bloodbaths (the ones we like) [3] nefarious bloodbaths (the ones our enemies do)

[@johnroberts8233]

That's about right, unfortunately.

[@chrisharrison763]

Chomsky starts 2:04

[@pantera29palms]

Try 7:45...

[@lolo2556]

Noooooo, he starts at 2:04

[@juligonzalez4999]

He goes from 2:04 to 4:26. Then he starts again at 7:43

[@unamacarana]

Juli González

[@michaelrch]

Thanks for the upload. Chomsky at his best.

[@CarolPrice4p]

thanks, anarres! Let us not lose this history.

[@olddynamite]

youtube audiobooks for the people!

[@RipTheJackR]

Brilliant upload.

[@markmoretti9122]

How stupid do Peter Worthington and David Frum sound here with history proving Chomsky right.

[@arcanondrum6543]

I'm not familiar with Peter the prick but Frum was never about insight. Frum pushed propaganda that he hoped would stick, he was paid for his time.

[@baboona2326]

Chomsky is always so clear in his language.

[@L14MA]

professor of linguistics, it always shows. Steven Pinker who studied under him has an excellent book on academic writing, Sense of Style: The Thinking Persons Guide To Writing In The 21st Century. He is also clear and articulate in his language usage, aswell as an excellent neuroscientist, not as much of a political activist as Chomsky though.

[@theOstenHugo]

I guess his degrees are being put to good use

[@mck1972]

It's no surprise that Chomsky speaks very articulately, given his background in Linguistics. HOWEVER-Whether he actually knows WTF he is talking about in any field OUTSIDE of Linguistics, is another matter altogether...

[@robertstewart4953]

So do you just go to all of chomskys vids and throw shade? Whatta bootlicker

[@cocojumbo197]

Jews are best talkers, noone can match smooth Jews

[@knowun]

thanks for sharing!

[@eyesofpicasso]

essential listening, especially for us new generations who are addicted to media

[@solidaritytime3650]

Man, I have met WAY FEWER woke boomers than woke millennials and zoomers. I think this holds value for all of us, but especially so for the boomers.

[@permanentmigraine]

You still cannot find any major coverage of the mission of peace boat attack, amazing

[@erikskalnins895]

Remains Stimulating and thought provoking

[@MrSayonara7777]

+Eric Kalnins : "Case by case, we find that conformity is the easy way, and the path to privilege and prestige; dissidence carries personal costs that may be severe, even in a society that lacks such means of control as death squads, psychiatric prisons, or extermination camps." - Noam Chomsky [Necessary Illusions - 1988 Massey lectures] That quote is Chomsky telling us not to count on him when the moment comes to take a courageous stand (9-11). Comfort and Certainty are just too sweet.

[@acajudi100]

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[@theOstenHugo]

Never fails, these lectures put me out each x every time 😴👩‍👧‍👦👩‍👧‍👦

[@mck1972]

You have FAR better time-management skills than anyone who stays awake for Chomsky's lectures! :-)

[@gnomechimpsky6189]

Noam Chomsky's a wizard!

[@mck1972]

Yes he is- -A Wizard of paranoid conspiracy theories! A Wizard of exploiting 20/20 Hindsight, in areas that he has ZERO Real World Experience in himself! -A Wizard of creating the APPEARANCE that he actually knows WTF he is talking about! Truly Magical! ;-)

[@AnthonyTolhurst-dw1nc]

M CK surely you can’t be serious

[@mck1972]

@@AnthonyTolhurst-dw1nc , You asked for It!!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/gX6VfGqpi5J-bZY

[@moodist1er]

@@mck1972 ^^ = when an illiterate plebe doubles down on stupid..

[@mck1972]

@@moodist1er , Now don't be too tough on that guy-I'm sure he is doing his best! :-)

[@ToddWright2]

Thanks for this. I have the Massey lectures from some source(Unwelcome Guests??) and this is much easier than spinning CDs.

[@perlefisker]

This is an amazing lecture! Thank you very much for sharing it...though the Sunday didn't become less gloomy after these four hours :-/

[@namehear-say4279]

Basically you and I agree on one point, all the time. There has to be less poverty in this country. It is unAmerican to have an under class of humon beings who can barely make it through the day without breaking their backs and disintegrating the/a family structure based in live and polite discourse.

[@whome9396]

Egalitarian societies are destroyed. Where you find money you find inequality and the extent of the severity is found in the perceptions of the particular populations. Where there is money there is poverty and where you find freedom you find slaves.

[@thewolf14]

Complete nonsense.

[@whome9396]

If your gonna waist time responding why not articulate your point of view.

[@CuteEplet]

@@whome9396 Plenty of countries do a far better job at being egalitarian than the US. Whats wrong with him critizising the US then?

[@whome9396]

It is not only good he and others like him criticize the u.s., I believe its that they are obligated to. So is every citizen of America supposed to hold it accountable by criticizing its flaws. Id argue that their is little effect it will ultimately have but that shouldn't detour anyone. @@CuteEplet

[@alejandroangeles5954]

RESPECT

[@matchlessmoviesinfo]

The kind, compassion, wisdom, coming from Noam is what we, Americans, seem to have forgotten. If we want to truly love ourselves and our country and defeat the ugly, cruelty of Trump, we need to remember the values of humanity,

[@solidaritytime3650]

Trump is different from the string of 20th century war criminal presidents only insofar as he is more flagrant in his abuse of the globe and domestic minorities for "national interests" those being, as Chomsky explains, the interests of private capital. Trump is not an abberation. He is the logical product of a fundamentally destructive system.

[@0xcc32sys_err4]

@@solidaritytime3650 very well said

[@solidaritytime3650]

@@0xcc32sys_err4 thank you. I'm useless, but not for long

[@transistor.1014]

Thanks

[@PhongNguyen-ky5hc]

A cooler tittle “Chomsky: use your illusions”

[@arcanondrum6543]

Very foreboding lesson right here: 2:25:15

[@beehivecity]

david frum gets owned at 1:29:58

[@ThePascalalter]

RESPEKT! Necessary Illusions

[@ThePascalalter]

vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres5/ILLUSNS.PDF

[@nicholasdarraugh7626]

Thank you so much! More?

[@nyb_ok]

I thought this is an audiobook of Necessary Illusions.

[@bennyrodriguez8788]

2:25:55

[@johnshea9814]

Now, I think I know what you tried to say to me How you suffered for your sanity How you tried to set them free They would not listen, they're not listening still Perhaps they never will

[@123JumpingJacks]

How does chomsky account for the present day social media not present during his original study?

[@stevenhines5550]

Can you be more specific?

[@matheusfronza9409]

I don’t know how Chomsky accounts for it, but I believe that social media functions pretty much under the same propaganda model proposed by him and Dr. Hermann in their book manufacturing consent

[@bilinguru]

Chomsky sees the potential benefits of Social Media, including democratizing access to information, as an organizational tool, as a means to amplify the voices of the marginalized and its ability to connect people gloibally, but he is highly critical of its tendency to push people into opinion bubbles ad echo chambers, its ominous surveillance capabilities and erosion of privacy, its dominance bya few corporate and/or government interests , the spread of misinformation and that Algorithms prioritize content that maximizes engagement, often leading to the spread of sensationalist and polarizing material. In short, he accounts for it and nails it.

[@fufufempoelbeq9849]

45:01

[@user-ziztnm]

no one: chom: ITS THE EXACT OPPOSITE

[@stevenhines5550]

What?

[@luizhenriquemoraismazzucco4526]

cara ainda hoje falei isso

[@Daniel-us8vk]

7:49

[@purplesam-do5lb]

Reverse synthesis. Went in one . Physiological

[@thekaiser4333]

How are Canadian journalists distinguished?

[@jennjenny1984]

they're just ten times smarter then the people south of the 49th

[@Awibrahor]

@@jennjenny1984 *than 🙄

[@kyledavidson9191]

@@Awibrahor lol the irony

[@AudioPervert1]

Hearing this to sleep ... Not getting any sleep offcourse

[@matthewo2261]

The popularity of chompsky is due to the fact that people don't trust media and chompsky through historical facts explains the truth which exonerates our distrust.

[@tylermerlin8320]

Seems like the only good question asked was from the last reporter. Every other one comes off as an attempt to justify being offended.

[@bucketiii7581]

Why oh why did I ever enter the comment section?

[@anatolwegner9096]

As relevant as 35 years ago

[@Eoin_D]

True question. All jokes aside, is there anyone smarter than Noam?

[@AxiomaticAssumptions]

I'm a sucker for Ernest Becker's denial of death and worm at the core, I like how he tries to simplify his system and tie so many things into fear of death. I don't know about smarter but smart in his own way, hard to distinguish what intelligence is

[@bilinguru]

It depends how you define intelligence, but what is certain is that there isn't anyone more informed.

[@merlepatterson]

The "owner class" is a result of sequentially skimmed and sequestered prosperity via the fiat monetary system of credit and interest and away from those known as the "working class" who are the ones who actually create 'value' within a society. One can be guaranteed that it wasn't a handful of wealthy individuals which built the freeways, cars, refrigerators, light bulbs, computers, and homes. And they definitely don't plow the fields and grow the food which feed the whole of society. The 'value' is always created by the working class and thus, it is truly the laborer who is the rightful "owner" within society and is rightfully deserving of the prosperity for his works and the fruits of his labor. When a society is successfully convinced that "It does not own itself" but for the existence of the few within the "owner class" via their political and media sycophants which decide who is deserving of meritorious prosperity, then that is when Noam Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent" becomes less informative and more prophetic.

[@BodilessVoice]

And that time is now.

[@Dylan-cp9ph]

@@BodilessVoice I agree

[@moodist1er]

The "fiat" monetary practices are corporate welfare but that's not how they get their money. They get their fortunes by stealing the value out of resources and labor.

[@carlovincetti1352]

"Responsible for the corpses "they" have produced" Who the fuck took the first corpse?.

[@MrGillWindowsil]

Hey I’m

[@howeyhanley3947]

1st citizen of the world Chomsky

[@Plurocrat]

He is a very good writer. I have always disagreed with his root premise on Foreign Policy but he is a pleasure to read. Portions of the U.S. Govt. and Private Sector have made serious and grave mistakes but it has never been as comprehensive as Noam or other Doves argue

[@syourke3]

"Serious and grave mistakes"? How about "serious and grave crimes"? Like attacking and invading foreign countries that have not attacked or even threatened the U S?, e.g., Iraq, Afghanistan, Viet Nam, Cambodia, Laos, Nicaragua, Panama, to name but a few in recent years. How about overthrowing foreign governments through CIA / military coup d'etats? As in Greece, Iran, Guatamela, Brazil, Chile, again to name only a few. Surely, such behavior is criminal and morally reprehensible, not merely erroneous.

[@themodfather9382]

Yeah its weird, liberals always say that stuff..

[@Plurocrat]

Not the same ballpark as Nazi Germany or the USSR. The USA needs serious reform but we must not get too America bashing about it

[@AbcDef-dr7ck]

@Reality Politics how naive can you be? wtf does need to happen for you to recognize the pure evil, sadism and the lust for power of the people that are behind usa foreign policy? millions of dead people are not enough for you? does a tomahawk missile need to hit you between the eyes for you to recognize things for what they are? the purpose of "downgrading" sadistic bastards to stupid people is there purely for the enjoyment of naive people such as yourself, so that your mind would able to explain the act of invading a foreign country and murdering millions of its people in a manner that does not compel you to do something about it and to openly resist authority. you think to yourself that the act of invading a foreign country and murdering millions of its people is equivalent to manslaughter instead of premeditated murder, if it is committed by stupid people and deemed a "honest mistake". you are less likely to revolt if you think that you are ruled by incompetent stupid people, than by malevolent sadistic pieces of shit, and it is the job of the media to make that distinction for you, in cases where mass murder has reached the point, where it can no longer be presented as a morally justifiable defense of a just cause, to naive and stupid people. since the consequences of the actions of these people are so severe (millions of dead people), i do not think it even matters if the people responsible are sadistic or just stupid. people getting hit by bombs do not give a fuck about your opinion on ballparks, nazi germany and imperialist america. the people responsible need to be locked up forever (or worse), in order to insure that more millions of people do not die.

[@lsobrien]

"Doves"?

[@kylerusk11]

Wrong 7:51

[@upsty6499]

Funny that we weren't set up to be a democracy as Chomsky states, I always wonder if anyone else sees this? We're a Republic so Government is suppose to be just essential and it's government by laws. The founder father's thought democracy was Tyrannical and should never be

[@LOLERXP]

🤦‍♂️

[@timothywise9731]

Noam Chomsky doesn’t know the difference between a democracy and a republic…how on earth did he earn a degree being so ignorant?

[@johnshaw8228]

Coming soon is the 22nd anniversary of the attacks of September 11, 2001. Starting in September 1997 I had detailed explicit intelligence on the attacks. Over a period of four years, I told no fewer than 100 people what was coming, where, how, when and by whom they would be executed. That number takes in 14 people in Stuart, Florida and vicinity.The last pre 9-11 warning was an anonymous phone call to some law enforcement number in Fort Pierce, Florida the night of September 10, 2001. That call, along with many other forewarnings, was concealed from public knowledge. What was the most repeated lie in most all forms of media after the attacks? The deception was reiterated many times in newspapers, magazines, TV talk shows, corporate news outlets, radio talk shows, and from the highest offices in the land. The propaganda continued for fully a year. They insisted numerously that nobody knew those attacks were going to happen. It was certain, they said, that nobody told anybody anything, and that nobody could have predicted what happened. They conceal the facts and propound the lies. That is how they manufacture public opinion. Corporate media are all complicit in the deceptions. The next time you say that nobody tells you what to think, that you form your own opinions and think for yourself, you might want to reconsider the sources of information from which your thoughts and opinions are derived.