Noam Chomsky - Wage Slavery

[@aristefansson1589]

"Physical slavery required people to be housed and fed. Economic slavery requires people to feed and house themselves." -Zeitgeist Addendum

[@warrenpeece1726]

Economic "slavery" requires people to feed and house themselves and offers them the opportunity to do so. And allows one to choose for themselves rather than letting Stalin or Mao make your choices for you.

[@adamant5550]

@@warrenpeece1726 So you prefer to choose your overlords, then? Interesting...

[@aristefansson1589]

Choosing between Jeff Bezos, the Waltons, Bill Gates and even Elon Musk.

[@BleedForTheWorld]

Even then, slaves in the south were not fed. They had to forage food in the nearby wilderness for sustenance. It was truly horrific.

[@Mr.Beastforpresident]

You only get paid in life what you negotiate for. No one will be sure you’re paid your worth but YOU. If you let someone else determine your worth they will, and chances are you won’t like it. Most don’t know their worth. That’s how the rich get and stay rich and the lower middle class is constantly struggling. 4 paychecks away from literal poverty. Inflation isn’t to blame, government isn’t to blame. But people are too conditioned, brainwashed and simple-minded to comprehend that and the rich love it. The more the rich and society can brainwash the poor and lower middle class the worse off they become passing and pissing their time away working for shit pay, listening and believing the bullshit. STOP working for SHIT pay. The poor make the poor more poor..by accepting less than they’re worth. It’s not inflation, it’s the multi-millionaires writing ✍️ YOUR CHECK. They are eating, they’re not complaining. ARE YOU? Fuel isn’t too high, your PAY is too low. In the 50’s & 60’s they thought fuel was high. Wake up, or work your life away and not get anywhere. $20 an hour is peanuts nowadays. But society and the rich would tell you that you’re spending money on unnecessary things. Almost as if there’s a shortage of money, nothing could be further from the truth. Inflation hasn’t even hit it’s peak in the southern states. Between Inflation, Taxation from inflation, Credit/Debit card fees, Higher food cost, Higher vehicle cost, along with higher vehicle maintenance and repair cost, High rent, Higher real estate prices added along with higher interest rates combined with higher Insurance and property tax, add it all up and the numbers do not add up to even come close to $20 an hour being sufficient enough to live without being a working, eating, sleeping robot 🤖. All of the above is beyond an individuals control, except one ☝️, their pay. Job titles, complements of “ You’re doing a good job “ and loyalty doesn’t pay the bills, money does. Follow the money, the biggest waste of time in your employed life is staying at a job that is underpaying you. You cannot buy back time. Sadly, by the time most realize they’ve been getting screwed on pay it’s too late, they’re now reaching retirement age and don’t have another 20 years to financially recover and are stuck with a low fixed income, which gets them less and less in an inflated economy. Job jump and job jump often and follow the money. Use your current job as leverage to get better pay and let the highest employer win. Businesses nowadays do.not.care. about turnover rate, they care about profit period, may the cheapest employee get the position. “ But they’re nice to me and I like the job “ They should be nice to you, who in their right mind wouldn’t be nice to someone making them rich??? What’s more important.. liking the job or liking the pay? Your bills have zero interest or care if you like the job. Unpopular opinion.. Most of your problems could be solved with money. But the poor are too foolish to demand and go after what they’re worth. That’s how the rich get richer and sell-out the company YOU help build. All your hard work YOU put it to making the company valuable DIDN’T pay off for you, just the owners, investors and CEO’s. If a company has 1 owner and 15 employees and the company profits $500,000 a year ( ****After -> ALL expenses including “ payroll “ for him and the employees) the 1 ☝️ owner should get $250,000 and the other $250,000 should be split amongst the 15 employees. HALF of a company’s profits should be split amongst the employees, period. Without the employees, there is NO company, NO customers and NO profit. Just an empty building. “ But the owner took all the risk “ What risk?? Bad credit or getting rich? They didn’t risk their House on a business loan, unless they’re just plain ignorant. “ But what if they goes bankrupt? “ And??? They get off their @ss and go get a job like the other people working for them. The poor/middle class are have wayyyyyyy too much sympathy on the rich. Then wonder why they’re struggling. The government isn’t writing ✍️ YOUR check, the CEO’s and owners are, it’s not rocket science folks. Stop blaming everything and everyone else except the one you’re working for as to why you don’t make enough money. He/She/The owner is making PLENTY of money, along with your fair share. WAKE UP America 🇺🇸 The RICH eat better, live better and have better healthcare and CAN afford to take the time off, UNlike the poor and lower middle- class STOP blaming inflation, businesses go up on their prices to account for inflation, is that increase passed down to the employees? WHERE they expect the employees to shit up the extra money to account for inflation?? The rich aren’t complaining, they’ve already accounted for inflation by inflating their own prices. They WILL maintain profit at ALL cost. Employees undervalue their worth while the rich overvalue and oversell theirs. There’s very few jobs that offer good pay where you can go home every-night with your Dignity, Sanity and Health still intact. And this is exactly why, Hard work doesn’t pay off, SMART work pays off. Hard work pays off.. for the owner. Yet they expect ‘ extra from you ‘ that’s not in the job description. They want extra, they need to PAY extra period. And people wonder why they’re overworked and underpaid. People want to be the mule then complain when their foolish ass gets rode on. Many don’t know what single factor separates the rich from the poor.. It’s not education, there’s plenty of people with college degrees. There’s plenty of people who have IQ’s over 130 who aren’t rich. It’s not hard work, there’s many, many hard-working people that aren’t rich. ( In fact many/millions are poverty poor. But Americans believe anything if enough idiots repeat the same crap over and over and over. ) It’s not opportunity, there’s opportunities everywhere. There’s opportunities being created everyday. It’s not luck, lucky people win the Lottery What separates the rich from the poor is ONE thing, the poor/employees are too desperate, conditioned, impatient, misinformed and foolish to unite and demand what they are worth. And the rich are too selfish and greedy to offer employees what they’re actually “ worth “ CEO compensation has grown 940% since 1978, Typical worker compensation has risen only 12% during that time While the poor are distracted and wasting time and energy over things they can’t change or have control over and debating over who or what’s to blame.. the rich are making money off their backs. Ironically, the poor keep the poor, poor. Don’t like the 💩 pay? the poor bastard behind you will do it while you’re blaming everything except the Muli-Millionaires writing ✍️ your check. When the poor are desperate they work for less than they’re worth keeping them not only poor, but desperate, while the rich laugh all the way to the bank with the money they f’ed them out of. If you can’t dazzle the employees with brilliance baffle them with bullshit. As-in bullshit job titles without the pay to match. Boss says you’re doing a good job? Great let your pay reflect it. Your bills aren’t paid with compliments.

[@omairkhan8084]

As Jack Nicholson said in the movie Easy Rider, "you can't really be free if you are bought and sold in the marketplace."

[@august_astrom]

Words of wisdom, Lloyd! Words of wisdom!

[@comanchedase]

The biggest provlem is that everyone is selling themselves and nobody is buying... When Dwight Quay said that he was only reason he was employed, was to be used as means to save the amount of propane used to cut some pipes...he then realised that the propane was worth more than he was...thats most cases with employments...

[@randyszymkowski882]

That's cool, but in the real world if you live by these values and sit o your thumbs all day you will starve. Communism is supposed to be the utopian state, but historically when applied, it has delivered nothing but tyranny, genocide and abject poverty.

[@loiman4179]

But you are free if you choose to participate

[@comanchedase]

@loiman4179 do we really have a choice? I'd love to make it alone in the woods but I know I just can't...

[@Epiousios18]

If you try to explain something like this to most people today you will quickly realize that it is one of the greatest modern heresies.

[@PexDoombringer]

Absolutely agree mate we're screwed up

[@yourdedcat-qr7ln]

People love being slaves to money and when confronted backtrack relentlessly. I had this conversation with my father many times just for him to tell me I'm a slave and will forever be a slave because the bible said so. Regardless if you believe or not, that way of thinking is screwed up

[@naveed210]

I think people in the West in particular loathe the idea that they could possibly be under control to the point that they won't accept the idea that they are in fact under control, and they are steered away from the idea that there are groups who plan relentlessly to undermine the freedoms of citizens. The idea of meritocracy is seductive and feeds our egos and does away with the idea of institutional control, when it is in fact the institution who are controlling us in thinking that the western society is a meritocracy.

[@iceman6489]

@amery smith chattel slavery isn’t comparable because it’s far worse.

[@drany6707]

People are born into capitalism and most are raised into believing that there is literally no other viable alternative. Any suggestions of any alternatives is crazy, fringe, radical, pie in the sky thinking.

[@dolebandit9942]

Wage slavery is too such an extent I wondered why they pay a wage at all, Then I understood, So you have the bare means and necessity to clock back in on Monday

[@gking407]

100 Absolutely correct

[@swift3602]

brudda man your command of language makes me think that it isnt possible that you can understand what hes saying please learn to use words - chompy is a linguist for fucks sake

[@shawnradke]

@@gking407 lol wrong its dictated by the market aka, is how productive is your job, which is why you earn more as you gain exp and skill, not rocket science you gnostic spaz

[@BanjoPixelSnack]

They pay you so you can buy rubbish you don’t need and convince yourself that it’s worth it.

[@EKDupre]

well said.

[@kentallard8852]

A slave is a capital investment. If you work it too hard or treat it poorly you won't get a return on your investment. You have to give them accommodation, food, sufficient rest time or they perform poorly and you lose money. Wage slavery cuts all this out, you treat the worker as harshly as you like and injure them and just replace them if they don't like it or get injured - the cost is externalised. And an even more pure example of this is prison labor - there the costs are externalised to the state to pick up the tab and force people to work.

[@jeppep95]

this was actually used as an argument for slavery

[@amrahmed7856]

@@jeppep95 What's interesting to me is, people today thought slave owners were these brutal savages (some of them were) that regularly tortured, starved, and overworked slaves to the point of death. And their refusal to give up slavery was solely to maintain their control over slaves and continue their pathological treatment of them. Take films like _12 Years A Slave_ as an example. Yes, this treatment existed and was legal at the time, but that's not how _every_ slave owner behaved. They wouldn't do that not just bcause of moral reasons, but purely economic as well.

[@jeppep95]

@@amrahmed7856 i agree. I think people have a tendency to make history worse than it was. In a lotnofnways we live under simmilar systems just with higher livingstandard

[@fruitoftruth1723]

You would probably like all those guys who said the exact same thing back in 1830's-1858. Their names were Hammond, Calhoun, Dew, and Fitzhugh. They were all proponents of slavery. They all admired communism and hated capitalism, they said it explicitly. Funnily enough, the average life expectancy, standard of living, and wage of people from 1870-1950's rose steadily, excepting the Great Depression (even during the great depression and WWII, life expectancy rose, but not during WWI) for all of those "wage slaves." People on here are talking about being a slave because they work from 9-5, little do they know that the average worker, just 100 years ago, worked 12-14 hour days, 6 days a week.

[@jayoodyang747]

Lol imagine how bad working conditions must have beeb in order for slaveowners to have the moral high ground here lmao

[@thymeparzival]

Seeing Chomsky now in his elderly age still bravely pointing out flaws in the system gives me courage to grow old in this corrupt world.

[@johnnynick6179]

He is a parasite.

[@euanmorrison11]

I love when Chomsky points out the ills of Epstein's island, oh wait...

[@mr.cromwell9472]

Maybe because it's not as bad as advertised..

[@superfisher4379]

Chomsky is the ultimate huckster. Why doesn't he get a real job?

[@fahkinlosah8469]

He’s turned into a shill for democrats pushing the plandemic…he married a nutty liberal chick and he totally lost his way

[@hat_maker]

"human beings are born to inquire and create under their own initiative"

[@Getreal247]

Yes

[@DoctorDewgong]

@@Ashish-ss5nt "That's how a country functions" is a descriptive statement, not a prescriptive one. Countries work that way because we chose to have them work that way. There is no magic cosmic authority that requires us to use the existing system.

[@sariahlace5944]

@@DoctorDewgong I was going to reply in a similar manner,to said person I'm in complete agreement with you on this topic.

[@hat_maker]

@TheAntinatalistClub suffering is the condition upon which we live, but it is not all we are here to do, especially not solely what we are here to do

[@stefangeorge2844]

@Louis Tea Enjoyer how profound 🙄

[@elfglow4557]

I love this man so much. I absolutely agree. I am not lazy I love doing and creating things that I find interesting. I Love taking care of earth but I hate corporate jobs. I hate being employed. I feel depressed and imprisoned as if there is no way out because I can’t survive without it

[@sullivanity3365]

If you’re complaining that meaningless jobs will evaporate with the fall of capitalism you’re sorely mistaken. It’s great that you have a creative mind, but society won’t suddenly value the things you happen to find interesting if you woke up tomorrow and everything was socialist. You simply can’t expect any society to simply value you based on what you happen to enjoy doing. Regardless of what system we live under, until everything is automated the fact is most people are going to work in jobs they don’t find fulfilling. Besides, if you really want to care for the Earth work towards becoming a biologist or conservationist. If that’s outside your means, become a park ranger. If that’s outside you means, become a ranch hand. If your not capable of that, then I don’t really know what you want the rest of us to do for you.

[@elfglow4557]

@@sullivanity3365 you’re missing the point. I have a problem with any jobs. Being forced to any human created job to exist is absurdity. I don’t want to be a biologist. I don’t need to be anything to care for earth. Look at the tribes. They take care of nature better than us.

[@sullivanity3365]

@@elfglow4557 Lmao, those “tribes” might be better for the environment but they’re incredibly shitty to live in. The Blackfeet Tribe in America would cut the noses of women who committed adultery; no such punishment existed for men. In Ethiopia’s Omo Valley, the Kara Tribe will still murder a baby if they’re born out of wedlock or simply if the child’s top teeth appear before their bottom teeth. Even if you get rid of the barbaric traditions that come with a tribal lifestyle, you’re still living in a state of existence where quality of life is terrible. Modern medicine and infrastructure are really fucking great. Besides, what if in said tribe the Chief tells you to be the person who builds the shelters, you feeds the livestock, or gathers the clay to make pottery? Aren’t you just working another human created job? Even in a tribe, people are gonna have to do shit they don’t like doing because someone told them to. If even that is distasteful, then become a hermit in the woods and hunt/gather for you food I guess. Nothing is stopping you from doing that now.

[@elfglow4557]

@@sullivanity3365 I was expecting this answer. I am not saying tribes have no issues I was merely telling you I don’t need a biologist or a degree to take care of nature. I’m glad you had fun arguing the point I have not made. You are ignoring the point. The point is that the world is suffering and so are the people in it. Everyone hates the system we are living now and one of the issues is waged labor. Why are you so motivated to just argue what is wrong with you people. Everyone has anxieties, depression and wants to just forget and escape their real lives. Do you think this is normal? People have no time to care for their spiritual well being. I don’t want to be hermit thank you for deciding it. I want to live with people healthily and happily. You are giving horrible alternatives as if that is what all these people want. You just want to sound right without any empathy to the sufferers who’s feelings and lives and experiences are valid. We are made to do things against our wills and nature. While very few on top profit and exploit us. I’m sorry if you think this is okay.

[@sullivanity3365]

@@elfglow4557 I’m not saying any of that it/was okay, I’m trying to say that this idea that communal living will somehow wipe away people’s depression is a fantasy, and considering how fucking massive the population is and how much culture has shifted, having everyone return to the communal lifestyle your praising isn’t feasible. Of course society can be fucking improved, I’m not saying everything is perfect. But regression isn’t the answer. I’m legitimately curious as to what your proposed solution is to a society without waged labor, please tell me. Maybe there’s something I’m not understanding

[@maiqueashworth]

Thank you for posting this. Very interesting. As a teacher of 23 years, I think this starts in schools, where children are often driven by punishment rather than encouragement. And this starts with governments, who set targets that schools are afraid to fail at: the teachers are more concerned about the grades than the students. I've seen many examples of people who failed at school but were lucky enough to have parents etc who carried on supporting them so that they eventually found the area they excelled in. But the teachers are in loco parentis: the system should allow them to get results by encouragement, enabling young people to find their niche.

[@panapana4854]

I couldn't have said it better 👍

[@maiqueashworth]

@@panapana4854 I'm in England. Out of interest where are you

[@panapana4854]

@@maiqueashworth Germany. Soon to be teacher...

[@evanlytle7220]

As a teacher I consider your comment among the most authoritative here

[@maiqueashworth]

@@notchback93 most of what is going wrong is due to the system

[@zenrr1]

Saying you have a choice not to work and thus, end up suffering the ravages of being homeless, hungry and destitute is like saying you have the choice to jump off of a ship in the middle of the ocean. You're a fool if you think there's choice involved.

[@georgiostsirtsidis1125]

The fool is you who thinks that I'm going to work in your place, while you're enjoying your "right not to work".

[@dancingbubbles1126]

It's not that you have a choice not to work, it's that, ultimately, you have the choice of what the nature of your work will be.

[@Mr47steam]

@@georgiostsirtsidis1125 everybody enjoys work and various kinds of challenges, so long as they're taken up voluntarily, out of their own initative, based on their own needs and interests

[@georgiostsirtsidis1125]

@@Mr47steam No one has to enjoy their work. It's the outcome of work we enjoy. If someone enjoys his/her work, that's an added bonus. Off course the job has to be done voluntarily. Some people don't want to work voluntarily, while others will happily do the same work for them.

[@Mr47steam]

@@georgiostsirtsidis1125 as if people would prefer to vegetate if they could instead engage in any kind of work they chose, either for the enjoyment of the work, the outcome of the work for themselves, or the outcome for others, all valid reasons to do it. Problem is when you're "doing things you don't like doing for the outcome of getting enough money to go on living, THAT IS to go on doing things you don't like doing", because that is what is called stupid.

[@Hollowsmith]

"The most barbaric notion of society is that a person should own another person. A middling notion of society is that a person should rent another person. And a healthy notion of society is that a person should own what they make." - John Rawls

[@thomasowen5785]

I guess you're going to make your own shoes and house and computer and toothbrush

[@nothingreally8247]

​@@thomasowen5785uh, yeah people used to do that. Except for computers, those require a $1 billion dollar facility known as a fabricator. However, if a lot of people had shared ownership of said fabricator, then yes it is possible to make your own computers, or at least the people who know how to make them could. Needs can and will still be met in a non-capital society

[@reredrumuoy]

​@@nothingreally8247Needs are absolutely not met under non capital society. That's nonsense. Millions of people have starved to death because of it, that is when the basic needs are not met. Which happens every time it is attempted.

[@GhostRangerr]

@@thomasowen5785 Do you find the idea that someone else taking the credit & earning the most money off the product you spent very long time making to be fair or ethical?

[@GhostRangerr]

@@reredrumuoy That's laughable, do you even know how many people living in capitalist America that can barely or can't afford basic needs such as food, shelter & healthcare? 35% of the population. That's over 117 million people out of 336 plus million. What is so hard about realising that this system is so broken?

[@richardthiele8363]

Wage slavery is not talked about nearly enough, like it was in the nineteenth century. If somebody offers me minimum wage, my first thought is, “Yea, and how about room and board, health insurance, and transportation costs to and from work.” Well, all that’s on you buddy, but you do get a nice employee discount on our products and we can increase your hourly rate a little if you do night shifts. Welcome to America!

[@hfd4967]

Then improve yourself so that you can command a better offer. Or how about you start your own trade or business?

[@sp123]

​@@hfd4967people who have the money or skills to start businesses don't work low paying jobs

[@knowthycell]

@@sp123start working on those skills and saving money at 17…

[@philipefernandino9180]

what a preposterous way to think. i'm not even saying this for myself as im a cs student and already have a good paying job (for Brazil standards, at least). what you don't realize is that most people don't even have the opportunity to learn any skills that will pay them better. im sure this happens in america too, but at 17 a lot of people are already working to support their families here and no one talked to them about "learning a skill and improving yourself". they need to work and they need money, not many years from now when they finally finish "learning a skill", they need now

[@knowthycell]

@@philipefernandino9180 America/Brazil = apples/organges

[@DC-wg1cr]

Irami Osei-Frimpong (Funky Academic) calls it "comfortable unfreedom"

[@robinheil]

"Renting yourself", even in exchange for currency, is inhuman because while you're on the clock, you're under the control of another, and you don't get to decide on your conditions.

[@mikeallen7566]

its voulentary, you are free to turn it down, or walk out.

[@hogpen]

Is it truly voluntary? You might have a choice of which institution you rent yourself to but if your choice is to work or to die that's not a true choice.

[@mikeallen7566]

Offer a product or service yourself, be self employed . Nobody forces you to work for someone else.

[@hogpen]

If you fail to self-employ (easy enough to fail at) you're right back at the original non-choice. The threat of death itself is the power to enslave.

[@mikeallen7566]

well if you have to work for somebody so be it .. but even if you cant make your own business work you still have a choice of who you wanna work for and what career you wish to pursue .. you could always go live in a jungle if you think you're life will be easier. .

[@VegetoStevieD]

The problem is that all modern businesses use a pyramid scheme business model, where the few at the top draw power and wealth from the workers below.

[@VegetoStevieD]

@M C I don't know how it can be any other way in this system. All money is debt in this system, which means we need more money to pay the debt. That's the fiat usury loan Central Bank system. The money you have is constantly being devalued through inflation. On top of that, a homeowner pays rent called property taxes. ..because of that, most of what you have is being drained. You can't just have your house, and live there, growing your own food for 100 years. You'll fall behind on ret/taxes. Since most of what you have is being drained, you need to continually make profit to sustain it. If there were no central usury, and no taxes (that would be America), there would be less infrastructure and fewer people. Then people would be able to profit enough just from nature to sustain what they have. That's what people did before Empires. Now, it's even expensive to die. A hole in the ground can be incredibly expensive, if you can imagine such an absurdity.

[@DanLetts97]

Then climb the pyramid

[@VegetoStevieD]

@@DanLetts97 It's better to leave the Necropolis, than to court Giza.

[@michaelsmith8665]

@@DanLetts97 Good advice. If I object to being subjected to an a-hole, the solution is to BECOME an a-hole.

[@Jenacide]

@@michaelsmith8665 Except they aren't a-holes and you're just lazy af 😃

[@MrSwiftyGaming1]

I believe, that one important reason we tolerate this kind of employment is because we are scared of what happens to us when we do not have a stable income. This is why I believe that our priority as a society should be to support and help those that have the least. By creating a clear and effective pathyway back into reasonable standards of living we take the sting out of losing a job or running out of money because the society is focused on ensuring everyone has food, shelter, belonging rather than each individual only being focused on themselves. Its not a perfect plan but its better than continuing to believe we all have to fight against each other.

[@curlygrain4389]

Except it never works. When you give people a free leg up they come to expect more. Or grow lazy and entitled. Or lose meaning. People who work for a wage their whole lives in jobs they hate aren’t doing it for themselves but almost always for those they love i.e. their children and wives/husbands. And we tolerate this kind of employment because it gives people who aren’t creative or ambitious (or their creations are not profitable) a way to afford the creations of others. I think Noam was just pointing out that this system could be likened to slavery. “It’s easier to fling mud at an imperfect working institution than it is to appreciate that it’s working in the first place.”

[@MrSwiftyGaming1]

@@curlygrain4389 You make a good point but when I say clear and effective pathway I do mean a path that keeps in mind that most people will try to simply take advantage of it and employs safeguards accordingly and even goes so far as to create a system of effective accountability in which communities are formed around the premise of getting out of poverty not just in the matierial sense but also in the sense of mind poverty. Systems that actually want to see people succeed and remain there for the individual are only found in this world behind massive pay walls, its time they are found integrated into government social services instead. Just because it has "never worked" doesn't mean it can't work, it just means that we may not have found the proper solution for it yet. I also suspect that the solutions we have in place now for poor people are only there so that the institution can claim they are "doing something about it", that usually means the bare minimum is done and not much effort is placed into it. We need to be more optimistic, we can be better.

[@curlygrain4389]

@@MrSwiftyGaming1 I agree with your sentiment, you’re obviously a very compassionate person. It is, however, a harsh reality that some people are just at the bottom of the bell curve and no amount of clear direction will help them clear the bar of mediocrity. I definitely agree that there should be more focus on the corruption and moral bankruptcy of those at the higher end of the corporate ladder. Late stage capitalism has many problems but it is the best system we have currently. Socialism is a slippery slope every time it is trod on. Again, I agree that we may have not found a variable that works yet but that may be because all systems end up dominated by those who are more ruthless and aggressive. If we could create a perfect system from the ground up it would inevitably be corrupted by human nature. The best we can hope for is a flattening of the peaks and troughs of the social cycle.

[@MrSwiftyGaming1]

@@curlygrain4389 Well I do understand that there is a bottom to every top, that cannot be changed but it's also more about the quality of life improving on average for each individual, each person does have to choose in the end to accept help or to help themselves and it is not an easy thing to pull ones self out of mental poverty but its already being done around the world in various places, granted, in small ways but its not impossible. Im always surprised at how easily undisrupted self formed communities mobilize their efforts and seemingly without even the help of government are able to better their lives in less than a year, community is free too we just need to relearn how to use it effectively. Our capitalist system is the best we have at the moment and I do believe the more pronounced its flaws become we will either transition in time or have it collapse. I just don't entirely agree with people using a overwhelmingly negative outlook on this matter without also considering the positive aspects of humanity that often stand just at the periphery of our peril. Lets see what happens.

[@ianstuart5660]

Absolutely, but the mantra of greed and profit just dismisses those ideas arrogantly!

[@leylam9233]

Thank God for this. I'm not the only one who feels like a slave working 9-5 !

[@sterlingweston]

Lazy fuck

[@youwaisef]

@@sterlingweston Stupid comment

[@sterlingweston]

@Bron Bron how are you a slave when you work a voluntary job? Please enlighten me. To call working for wages 'slavery' trivialises actual involuntary servitude, and just shows a lack of gratefulness; be thankful you live in a country where such comfortable jobs are an option.

[@sterlingweston]

@@youwaisef and calling working 9-5 being akin to slavery isn't a stupid comment!? I can't believe you think it is, I wonder what you'd all say slavery is like if you were slaves. How is voluntary labour like slavery?

[@youwaisef]

@@sterlingweston Well, I was responding to you "Lazy fuck" comment. You didn't offer an argument or a question and so I replied with what I did. If you voluntarily do work that you must do in order to survive or have the most basic needs met, then you're not really doing it voluntarily, are you? If I don't go to my job, will I have shelter, food and water? If yes to a certain extent, can I also live decently? No? I guess being homeless is an option. Be my guest. Try doing that for a while and tell me how it is.

[@boazreid6158]

For those who say, " _No one is forcing you to work, you can freely leave the job_ " You're right, I'm free to starve and become homeless.

[@JoaoBatista-yq4ml]

You are free to create your own job and work for yourself. It's not easy but it's doable, even without a lot of money. The problem is that people want the stability of working for someone else where you get a guaranteed paycheck, without compromises or risks, this is nearly impossible. Some people do it by gaming the system and taking advantage of government benefits, but that's it

[@boazreid6158]

@@JoaoBatista-yq4ml Even if you own your own business, you are still subject to wage slavery, because you are dependent on the market for your income and survival, which means you have to compete with other businesses and satisfy the demands of consumers, regardless of your personal preferences or values. You are also vulnerable to economic fluctuations, crises, and recessions that can affect your profitability and viability. You are constrained by the laws and regulations of the state, which protect the interests of the powerful and wealthy, and limit your autonomy and creativity. You have to pay taxes, follow rules, and comply with authorities, or face penalties and sanctions. You are also subject to the influence of lobbyists, corporations, and political parties that shape the policies and decisions that affect your business. You are alienated from your own labor, which means you do not have full control over the process and outcome of your work. You have to adapt to the standards and norms of the industry, conform to the expectations and feedback of your customers, and compromise on your vision and goals. You are also separated from the social and environmental impacts of your work, which may harm others or the planet. You are exploited by the system of capitalism, which means you have to produce more than you consume, and generate surplus value for others. You have to invest in capital goods, technology, and labor, and pay interest, rent, and wages, which reduce your share of the profits. You are also subject to the competition and pressure from other businesses, which force you to cut costs, increase productivity, and innovate constantly. Being a business owner doesn't solve the problem. You are merely exploited a different way.

[@mercutiomurphy2743]

apparently we're free to overthrow and reinstitute government, but that seems far out of the realm of possibility. because, the gov't is violent therfore fascist.

[@neo-toad]

wagie life

[@boazreid6158]

@@neo-toad Andrew Tate drone 🤡🤡🤡

[@MilesBellas]

Whatever does not spring from a man's free choice, or is only the result of instruction and guidance, does not enter into his very being, but still remains alien to his true nature; he does not perform it with truly human energies, but merely with mechanical exactness. Wilhelm von Humboldt

[@collapsingquantumwav]

One of my favorite people in my life time. I'v learned so much from professor Chomsky. Thank you.

[@johnnynick6179]

You've learned to demonize those who are better than you. You've learned how to be envious of those who provide you the very sustenance that keeps you alive. You've learned to hate yourself and not understand why. Yeah... you've learned lots.

[@diogenesredux]

besides sleeping, there's nothing in the world I'd want to do for 40 hours a week

[@BAYKING_316]

😂😂😂

[@denzel1877]

That's how you feel NOW from 9 - 5, after you are well rested you'll start getting bored and you will initiate something, I just I hope whatever initiative that would be it wouldn't take you back to the plantation.

[@uglaegilsdottir]

Best comment I have read in my entire life! I second it. 🌹

[@realking4918]

Facts

[@charliekowittmusic]

It’s simple folks. We don’t need an ownership class to own our time, resources, and homes. We should be our own masters.

[@comanchedase]

The problem is that before people were often enslaved either compulsory or voluntarily (roman empire people would enslave themselves to pay for debts and whatnot)...nowadays they have imposed a unbeatable debt over all who have the "choice " of jobs such as a bus driver or labourer and call it "work culture " and freedom via wise money moves...etc...

[@abdulabdul9880]

People are enslaved by loans...

[@Ezio999Auditore]

Who made these loans…

[@comanchedase]

@@Ezio999Auditore your dad

[@borinqueena1]

I wish I could hear the actual question.

[@1398go]

Don’t worry, it really wasn’t that important. Just a minion saying how his masters treat him well and all is dandy.

[@Afflictamine]

something about giving money to Israel

[@philb4462]

I wish I was as informed, intelligent and erudite as Noam Chomsky.

[@Rod1712]

You can, start reading.

[@sebsebski2829]

@@Rod1712 Only commie books. They are the smartest of the smartest!

[@jish55]

We needed to work because that was the only way to keep society from crumbling (as you needed human workers for crops, building homes and buildings, making vehicles, taking care livestock, etc). That is no longer the case though as most work in modern times are done through automation, thus removing the need for human workers, and unlike early automation, this automation doesn't need human supervision as a computer can do everything a human does from pushing buttons and watching over the robots to shutting things down and sending out a repair order without ever needing a human there to do so. So we should now start to focus on moving away from this work based mentality and start moving towards a society that focuses on creativity.

[@aek12]

Jacque Fresco worked on this idea

[@Fenderak]

these robots and computers don't just spawn out of the sky. Millions of people need to directly work hard to design, manufacture and maintain them. Indirectly, the supply chains to be able to produce tech stuff are the pinnacle of modern society. The idea that everyone can just stop working because there are robots is incredibly short-witted, without any understanding how the world works.

[@benc7128]

YES to the last part. Because I would be very, VERY careful of measuring out what the ALTERNATIVES are to "work." Creativity yes. But lest we turn into a bunch of mindless pleasure-seeking robots and run ourselves into a shell of Self aka satanism

[@superfisher4379]

When everything is automated you will see massive wealth consolidation. If You really think millions of poor people will suddenly become creative you have rocks in your head. They'll all be high and having children they can't afford.

[@MijoShrek]

We're only seen as consumers for a economy we've based on the shoulders of workers who have to operate every aspect of their lives as consumers and customers. In what is not a fair and open capital market. If we're serious of what starts upsetting people. It's gaslighting from the ivory towers. How are we supposed to properly function and boast as a free society as the political leadership isn't even hiding the massive illegal activities and do unconstitutional Criminality using their positions of power. Then continue to portray the psychopathy through their own media as reasonable people just check out. The reasonable are the ones which the communities are built up on. Not the intelligencia pushing social issues as the main focus. When the lower working classes are of no major concern for.

[@eduardofcgo]

Refreshing to see this. This comparison with slavery is just not made anymore. In America any discussion around slavery leads automatically to race and identity, as if the only reason for the existence of slavery is racism!

[@spitboi7]

It’s incredible seeing him so sharp and animated when he talks as a younger fellow as he is so slow the past 25 years of recordings I’m mostly familiar with. Kind of scares me

[@BloggerMusicMan]

That's aging. It'll happen to all of us. He is north of 90 years old now. For someone that old, he is doing pretty well.

[@xLightcrystalx]

He is actually still reaaaally sharp. He just talks slowly.

[@spitboi7]

@@BloggerMusicMan that’s precisely it, that’s where my fear is given I passed my peak ‘sharpness’ a few years ago haha

[@nataliawo9]

@trollolol thats so fucking ageist dude

[@BuGGyBoBerl]

@trollolol dont pull stuff out of context.

[@Heyoka86]

2:47 - Human beings are born to inquire and create, and to do so under their own initiative. Any work that a person does under outside pressure is inhuman. If a person creates something beautiful under outside orders we may admire what he does but we will despise what he is.

[@Discovery_and_Change]

What does he mean by outside orders? From an employer?

[@KenGroth-ts6ge]

No like an artist who is a "nonconformist" Nonconformists are hated by society, but they usually create the best works of art.

[@dral22]

I feel you, bro. I have never been a fan of working for people/companies while they're making millions off of us. I am still trying to get out of the 9-5 rat race. My dream is to be an investor and travel whenever i want. I'm just waiting for my dividends to kick in. I really like what you're doing to inspire us. You have a new subscriber. God bless you 🤝

[@gregorysagegreene]

The problem is that even Gene Roddenberry's 24th C 'Star Trek', where "money, and all poverty has been eliminated", still includes a "hierarchical command structure". Ultimately, even that's not very forward thinking, although I love those shows. But it does demonstrate how unimaginative and primitive we still are in a relative way. I do like the 19th C classical libertarian idea of "human beings meant to inquire and be creative under their own direction." It does kind of sum up all of my intellectual needs to understand over the past few years. Owned or rented, it still feels like slavery to me.

[@tatumyork786]

I slightly disagree with that, in that the hierarchical system in Star Trek is used to organize the efforts of star fleet. There is nothing inherently wrong with hierarchy, it’s just that we’ve often abused it power and financial gain. This doesn’t mean that we can’t one day learn to organize ourselves in a just and equitable fashion.

[@kspfan001]

The hierarchical system is only within Starfleet, because its a para-military organization. The rest of Earth outside of starfleet is flat and egalitarian. And yes the problem isn't with hierarchy in general, it's with illegitimate hierarchies. An employer employee hierarchy is illegitimate because it requires coercion and force to maintain.

[@doc2590]

I have forsaken most things except the basics for survival, from time to time I will think it would be nice to have this or that, but my freedom is more important to me than being a slave in a job just so I might one day have enough money to blow it all in a heartbeat on this or that.

[@MaggieD0123]

That doesn’t sound free to me, more like confinement in meagerness.

[@doc2590]

@@MaggieD0123 it's never the situation, only our thoughts surrounding the situation.

[@rw-vr6vw]

​@doc2590 what do you do to afford the basics? Genuine interest

[@benc7128]

find a better way out. RISE

[@ldefranco873]

Have fun growing your own food everybody

[@realking4918]

Been doing it for centuries

[@ldefranco873]

@@realking4918 Exactly! But you choose to buy your food from a store because it's easier and allows you to do other things with your fleeting time on this planet. Thanks, system that allows you to get your food from a store!

[@Shockzer67]

We should all own land, a house, live off the food we grow and cattle. Now anyone who wants to create his business and hire people could freely do it, and employees would not be *dependent* on their wages. The problem is not the job, it's the fact that we need it to live.

[@george_carlos]

Shock Wave agreed. If we socialize housing and food, and let the rest of the economy be pure competitive capitalism (making iphones and such consumer wares), we get the best of both worlds.

[@pheyfit]

Agreeeed!!

[@martiensventer9191]

@@george_carlos not that the iPhone was created by capitalism anyway. Almost all of the technologies implemented in the first iPhone were developed by government-funded research. Apple just put it all together and made a shit ton of money off it. I say we socialise those parts of the economy too, in stead of letting copyright laws allow giant corporations to control communication, we let communities manufacture their own devices, or trade with a central manufacturing city for it, allowing people to connect to an internet run publicly on opensource software.

[@DanLetts97]

Well you are be going to work either way. Communist or capitalist you are going to work. But wouldn’t you rather livelive and work in a country where you can make money and choose the home that you’d like to live in? Would you like that freedom, to choose where you want to live? The build the life you want and dream of?

[@Shockzer67]

@@DanLetts97 You didn't understand a word of what I said. Everything you described is possible in the system I described.

[@vulkan8093]

I know I'm controled through my wages, I can never afford the tools to make me richer

[@i-love-cats75]

Try like saving or something.

[@sebsebski2829]

"If only I could make 10k a month!"

[@CaseyDavies-od7ir]

​@@i-love-cats75saving by yourself in this economy, good luck

[@regaininglife9084]

Education is one of the most important tools. Not talking about formal education. Life experience and advanced knowledge in key areas. Knowledge helps you evaluate and make better choices. It allows you to have a more specialized skill which can then raise your earning potential. This, along with refusing the status quo and focusing on buying your freedom is the way to go. Problem with most people is when they get paid they blow their money on entertainment, trips, new gadgets and whatever else anyone is buying. They have bought completely into the system. You will keep going round and round into this system if your priorities are to just have fun or distract yourself. That's what they want. They want you to accept so little and to keep working your whole life. They want you comfortable with your slavery.

[@Gandim45]

I was thinking exactly what he said about renting just before he said it. It doesn't matter if you consider yourself to be a good landlord. It's a morally dubious situation to profit in such a way. My opinion, anyway.

[@NeilRaouf]

Babylon Sisters - Steely fucking Dan ❤

[@relevation0]

The biggest problem is all the money goes to the top! If there's a minimum wage maybe there should be a maximum wage as well!

[@makokx7063]

It would be hard to impose a maximum because there are some positions with huge skill differences. There's millions of companies but only a handful of CEOs that can make huge corporations thrive. How do you get the good ones to work for your company if you're only allowed to offer them $100k/yr? Even the bad CEOs would want that much. How about doctors? Someone who spent all that time and money to begin a doctor wants good compensation or few people would do it, but you have to pay the people who've put 20 years into it to begin with. Also the truly rich people aren't workers at all, their investors. If you restrict investing then new companies and technologies don't get created. The best one can do is increase taxes but there's no point in that until the current tax laws are enforced. Unfortunately the people with the ability to change the wealth dynamic in America are on the payroll of the mega wealthy.

[@relevation0]

@@makokx7063 $100k? You gotta be a millionaire to even be middle class nowadays, I'm not talking about crumbs 😆.

[@makokx7063]

@@relevation0 If you're talking about wage you're talking about crumbs. The billionaire are investors, not workers.

[@someonenotnoone]

@@makokx7063 Precisely right. Very progressive taxes on unearned incomes would drastically change things. 99% of working people would not be affected in the slightest by such taxes.

[@DanivirAmadeus]

​@@someonenotnooneThe same bad ideas time and time again, from the most confident of people. Let's impose a 100% tax on any income gained through investment or other non-work activities in excess of 10 million. Then imagine how that tax would have to be implemented, the fact that rich people are _people_ and not cows sitting in the field ready to be milked and will do whatever they can to avoid the tax. The *people* in government will love their cut of all that new money being splashed about so corruption will skyrocket. Bribes to get out of the taxes will skyrocket. Poor, working class, middle class constantly think that rich people are just stupid. I'm not rich, but if you spend just 30 minutes out of your entire life trying to think like a rich person you'll see why most poor people deserve to be poor. In terms of their political and economic know-how they're like a child with MS trying to get in the ring with prime Mike Tyson. It's not even a moral argument. It's just bad strategy. If you want to defeat your opponent you have to be able to see the battlefield from their perspective. Poor people just assume rich = dumb/lucky and the government will help even things out. They don't even bother trying to think about how rich people would counter everything they think will work. Class war is a joke.

[@leonardgibney2997]

Many firms today use zero hours contracts where workers have no holidays and toilet breaks are limited.

[@sandtx4913]

And you can instantly be replaced like a robot part. Notice how many companies especially multinationals have replaced workers with AI? We're entering the transhuman era.

[@boobs5090]

And you can instantly quit that job. Suddenly your boss will unearth a whip from his desk and force you back to work with a crack! Oh wait. That's slavery... imagine not seeing that glaring difference.

[@prun8893]

Noam Chomsky's speaking fee was $10,000 to $20,000 per appearance. He's an entertainer and nothing else.

[@osnovyanenko]

Black mirror, season 1, episode 2

[@freethinker79]

"They turned to their Adam and took him and expelled him from the garden along with his wife; for they have no blessing, since they too are beneath the curse. Moreover, they threw mankind into great distraction and into a life of toil, so that their mankind might be occupied by worldly affairs, and might not have the opportunity of being devoted to the holy spirit." --Hypostasis of the Archons

[@yt2236]

Do you have a source to the full video, of which this clip is an excerpt?

[@redpad79]

i second this

[@SGH-rt6ci]

Thessalonians 3;10 "If any will not work, neither let him eat" . Through work we help other people and I do not mean the whole vanity business.

[@sunkistslav]

You can be giving and compassionate to others outside of the hours you are obligated to clock in, bit of a strawman there.

[@beemo9]

Being paid for work is simply a form of trade, and trading is a normal, natural function that has always existed. No individual company owns you, and you are free to become a business owner.

[@Bleyluige]

60 years ago one person working could afford a house, a car, a famiky and have money in tge bank. Nowadays even of both work you cannot afford property. WhT changed?

[@makokx7063]

Massive reversal in supply v.s. demand on labor because of American women entering the work force en masse and globalization. Almost overnight it went from tens of millions of workers (out of 150 million Americans) to nearly a billion (with foreign labor). That mixed with technology destroyed wages.

[@dfghj241]

the take way from most of my many hours of chomsky lectures is that i need to read SOO MUCH stuff, i might as well give up on social life and just read 24/7 just to begin grasping the world and all the labels within it, specially those just thrown around.

[@donnygv27]

Paulo H it’s very possible to understand this and still live a normal life, with little necessity for reading big huge books

[@henrikb.folkestad7872]

Don't be too hard on yourself, Chomsky reads extremely fast and has an incredible memory. I can read pretty fast myself, but the problem is I start daydreaming or lose my train of thought because the text activates a connotation, etc. Chomsky seems to be able to just decide to plow through whatever material in a kind of robotic fashion. If you really want to read the philosophical canon, including Plato, Descartes, Spinoza, Kant, Hegel, Marx, etc., yes you have a lifetime of reading ahead of you. People sometimes devote their lives to the study of just one philosopher! However, there are also books out there that will give you a coherent overview, typically "History of Western Philosophy" books (often several volumes), these will often give you the context you need and help you connect the dots. I think you should research a bit and find a suitable book(s) for your needs.

[@dfghj241]

@@henrikb.folkestad7872 hehe i already read all 3 volumes of the "history" you mentioned , from bert russel. still, its not enough. i've found that reading digestions of other's works make it impossible to actually understand what any one writter has said. there isn't a work around, you have to read everyone.

[@michaelsmith8665]

@@henrikb.folkestad7872 Chomsky says he DOES NOT read fast at all. What he does do is read stuff he's really interested in, so he remembers it. Just dragging your eyes across text, no matter how fast you do it, achieves nothing.

[@DanLetts97]

Not really. Just read a couple of books about Stalins Russia and you’ll be good to go

[@I_dont_want_an_at]

Noam every day

[@joemahony4198]

Be free, be a contractor

[@firstlast2386]

Tax slavery.

[@user-btmbangalore]

True. A full life is the ideal. A good master or kind master restricts a full life. A bad one deliberately denies it.

[@g-sailing4427]

There is also a price for the chains you refuse

[@celestialnubian]

Guy: I'm bout to make a great point. Chomsky: GTFOHWTBS!

[@truthtv999]

That’s fine but what other system works? You need people to work to provide essentials for life. Not everyone can do their passions or whatever, not everyone can succeed in that.

[@Msoja8]

The modern-day Karl Marx. Absolutely on-point as usual. Great respect to a (western) man talking nothing but truth. Well, even Marx was a westerner 🇿🇦🇿🇦

[@nathanmuir5420]

The modern day Karl Marx. Karl Marx was awful. Look what he did to Russia. Wake up.

[@Msoja8]

@@nathanmuir5420 No man, don't blame the defender for missing a tackle, the goalkeeper also needs to have stopped the goal from occurring. For me, Marx, Engels, Poulantaz, etc, were excellent - as they say, it was the execution that left a lot to be desired.

[@nathanmuir5420]

@@Msoja8 It doesn't work. Capitalism brings the most people out of poverty. Look at the track record of capitalism vs communism. Name one good communist country...ever.

[@AbandonEarth911]

Karl Marx stood for the Abolition of the Wages System.

[@riproar11]

Typical speak of a brainwashed Marxist. Karl Marx was such an awful person, that his own mother even despised him. A truly ugly person.

[@girardbcp]

This dude roasted jordan Peterson Back to the future style! Lol

[@TylerDurden-oy2hm]

Not a chance...Peterson smoked him like a bowl of Buddha

[@xxxfaze_cumshotxxx7946]

@@TylerDurden-oy2hm peterson suffers from benzin withdrawal moment

[@unboxviews]

Peterson fuck Chomsky so hard there wasn't any more space in phub for all the videos

[@xxxfaze_cumshotxxx7946]

@@shmeagol and also being a transphobic crybaby who spoke out against women and marginalized groups, and gives men the worst possible advice he could.

[@williamflamenco5059]

Peterson vs Chomsky my aunt Connie has a better chance of scoring a triple double against the dream team,.... She's missing both her legs blind and oh yeah she passed away 13 years ago

[@asahdo]

Noam is bae

[@adamalvarez4673]

Hahaha

[@disposablehero1235]

no. hes only right on this subject. everything else is debatable

[@DARKSEID76]

@@disposablehero1235 everything else like what? Be specific.

[@Ruben00021]

I realy like Noam Chomsky and I'm a liberal myself, but perhaps the early liberal thinkers overlooked the fact that most people are completely unable to take governance of their own life and are inherently lazy. I started my own business in a difficult sector, make a living from it and although I know it will never make me alot of money, it suits me better than working for a company. But it's backbraking work, from morning till evening, 6, often 7 days per week and with a dedication and constant drive for improvement that is absolutely unknown to a regular employee. No one is stopping you from starting a business, but you will have full responsibility for every decision you make, financial risk, your life will mostly consist out of working and you will probably be wondering why you are doing it if you don't make alot of money doing so. Almost no one would chose this kind of life. Instead people chose easy jobs with guaranteed incomes and pensions, holidays, health insurance, bonuses, for a minimum of effort, then they start complaning about how big corporations are exploiting them and even use the word wage slavery. When I was a student, some fellow students introduced me to the term 'wage slavery' and made it very clear they didn't want to work cause, according to them, it's exploitation. Now, 10 years later, they are living on wellfare or 'have long term mental ilnesses' like depression or you name it. In most cases, working for a company is the easiest way to earn a living, but the problem is that alot of people are constantly looking for ways to not have to work anymore and still get money somehow. If, out of ideology, you think the institution is wrong (which im not saying it isn't), you could learn an actual skill, start your own company, work extra hard and take governance of your own life. But this is too much work for most people and instead they just complain about the system while completely ignoring all the benefits this system is giving them for free.

[@Monaleenian]

Chomsky mentions here that "any work done under outside pressure is 'inhuman'." I'd imagine that he thinks that any bit of work that you do in your business that's a result of "outside pressure"(such as customer demand) and not something that you would do entirely of your own initiative is "inhuman"!

[@Daniel-vu7pi]

Very good comment. One thing you perhaps haven't considered here is how the value of work is distributed between a company and its employee. Some corporations (Amazon, Walmart) gives a terribly low wage, but the company as a whole has huge profits. Where does that profit come from? From the executives at the top or the workers at the bottom? I don't think people are against work in general; they're against being forced into long hours for a minimal payment that leaves them with no time, energy or money for the other parts of their lives. Working wouldn't be so bad if we did less of it, and if we were compensated more fairly for our contributions.

[@Ruben00021]

@@Daniel-vu7pi I completely agree about big corporations paying extremely low wages. Alot of people are being exploited, whether you call it wage slavery or not, but usually the ones complaning about it aren't the one working these kind of jobs. Perhaps I have to add that I'm not an expert on the situation in the USA, but here in Belgium there are migrants filling up the jobs that people here simply don't want to do anymore. They work crazy hours for a minimum wage, you can say that they are being exploited, yet they are not the ones complaning about having to work too hard. They simply don't have the time for it and no one will listen to them anyway. People complaining about too much work are usually the ones with the good jobs. The ones that are doing the really hard labour are simply forgotten. People somehow believe that 'working' less will make them more happy, but this is a mirage and a dangerous idea to put in your head. The people who really have to work hard are simply not in a position to negotiate about the terms or complain about them. Meanwhile people who should be happy cause they have a really good job and a really good life think they are miserable cause they have to work for their money.

[@Ruben00021]

@@Monaleenian That's an interesting point, but Chomsky is an intelligent man. I doubt he would really hold such absurd beliefs.

[@furatal-samaraie3884]

"I did it because I'm not lazy like everyone else. I'm a star like Elon"

[@srichman]

He compares chattel slavery favorably to voluntary exchange. That's morally monstrous.

[@firstlast2386]

I love my physical labor job but the cost of living in California is insane.

[@stevemuzak8526]

That want to stay this way. This is modern slavery.

[@sebsebski2829]

@@stevemuzak8526 Heh, commie run California a modern-day slavery. You can't make this crap out. So poetic.

[@johnnytsunami3558]

What's your job

[@johnnytsunami3558]

​@@stevemuzak8526why they do that to us?

[@ToiletPlugger]

After 15 years in the work world, the biggest thing i struggle with is what I'd even do outside of it. That is probably by design :(

[@sebsebski2829]

Not really. In fact, you can be glad and thank capitalism and patriarchy, as throughout the entire of humanity only until recently humans worked literally ALL. THE. TIME. You didn't really have time to do anything else, but when you did you would most likely get drunk. This is a reality. Thank god patriarchy and capitalism created progress, office spaces, air conditioning and 40-hour week work.

[@gibra-elwalker8022]

@@sebsebski2829 thats the dumbest thing Ive ever heard. You know that serfs basically got to lay inside all winter because there was nothing to harvest, right? Working literally all the time? Really dude? You're aware that natives just used to fuck and hunt all day basically, right? You're being ridiculous and ahistorical.

[@ToiletPlugger]

this is such fuckin bullshit. humans didn't work all the time. even serfs got breaks. maybe people worked constantly in the industrial age where they had literal children working in factories and mines. don't glorify that shit. Prior to that, people worked mostly for themselves or small tightly knit communities. also capitalism did not create the 40 hour work week. In fact, capitalism killed people trying to advocate for worker's rights. I have literally not read a more ignorant comment in recent memory. holy shit. no wonder we are where we are. @@sebsebski2829

[@BigBootyBatman]

@@sebsebski2829 if it were for capitalism, we still would be working all the time. Capitalism only cares about the outcome. So if the workers die working it's the fault of capitalism. The salvation of workers life's is not on capitalism, I would rather attribute that to human rights.

[@sebsebski2829]

@@BigBootyBatman Why would capitalists kill people who make their profits? God you guys are dumb

[@MaggieD0123]

People feel like wage slaves because they spend all their money. Think about it, you work hard and do you keep your money? No, you give it to the grocery store and the internet provider and Apple and Disney, etc. Your money belongs to everyone else, therefore your work belongs to everyone else, therefore you are a “slave”. The idea of saving 1/10th of one’s earnings for oneself and investing it to create wealth is completely foreign to people who think like this.

[@ja-qk4vd]

Yeah well tried investing then trading and disaster. Wish had just taken a trip out from time to time. Seems pretty hopeless tbh. Then basically those that made it tell u it's Ur fault, just lazy. Guess am at mo, some kind of internal collapse. Tried buying home few times, every time failed.etc etc. Would suicide but coward.

[@MaseraSteve]

Exactly the temptation to spend your money is very, very high I've read an article of salaryman with $100k monthly payment "living paycheck to paycheck" wtf is that bullshit? Your responsibility as employee are superficial, and not owning company still managed to ravaged that big amount vs my family who owned a Business thriving and living more than enough with monthly income of $60,000 (we're not even dressing like those salaryman off work with ugly clothing like hoodie and track pants so you know what we're spending on for once in a while but it's impossible for us to deplete our monthly income like what the big corpo employee in article does..) that's is an absurdity we as mid-upper class entrepreneur cannot fathom i still saved around $780k every end of year consistently and it's been 10 years since i took the company under my control.. all this income accumulated to an extra $700+ k every end of year that i cannot spend it all!

[@benstevinson764]

Love ❤️ Noam Chomsky!!!

[@knowthycell]

And he loves little girls

[@octavioavila6548]

Two words: Human. Resources.

[@tomlahr9372]

In a democracy the gov't does not have control (i.e., that is totalitarianism), the people have control of their own lives, in all areas, especially in the economic sense, in which the corporation would have no part..i.e., "those who work in the mills should own them". Profit sharing would be a common practice in the business world if this were a democracy.

[@kingofthegutter8259]

The problem with democracies though is that they often ban stupid shit and the best doesnt always go about. Plus corruption would take over with people buying votes. I agree to less government but democracies are stupid.

[@therabbi9848]

That ignores who created the mills in the first place, more specifically who took the risk to build them. It sure as hell wasn't the workers. Also democracy is just mob rule.

[@Leinja]

The False Rabbi, you are wrong, the workers built it, more specifically construction workers. The owner sure as hell didn't build it.

[@Leinja]

Squid Ward, corruption is always problematic, be it democracy or dictatorship. I would argue it's harder and riskier to bribe in a democracy as more people need to be bribed.

[@therabbi9848]

Its more complicated than that. There are several tiers of workers, not just unskilled laborers, that build complex structures.

[@berthilleonard]

what is the alternative?

[@rilorobinson7685]

If you want to escape wage slavery you have to be creative, you have to have your own campaign. Shits gon take time 😔

[@tmpqtyutmpqty4733]

Not true. You just need to be evil.

[@Jenacide]

@@tmpqtyutmpqty4733 Lawl, people being less lazy than you doesn't make them evil, sorry buddy

[@richardli4038]

Jena Cide says the capitalist apologist

[@MaggieD0123]

It’s called investing.

[@shawnradke]

cry harder brokie @@richardli4038

[@gn2650]

Wage is not renting people, is renting a service. Big difference.

[@Cenot4ph]

​@LudVan😂 listen to this nonsense. Do you live in the real world?

[@angelamarie88]

Human beings were born to inquire and create, and to create under THEIR OWN initiative. Any work that a person does under outside pressure is inhuman. If a person creates something beautiful under outside orders, we may admire what he does, but we will despise what he is. That's classical liberal thought driven by concepts of human rights & human dignities which are seriously infringed by the structure of business operations. Even if the guys who run it are nice guys. You can't be a nice guy in certain positions because the institution is not nice. We must not overlook what's wrong with that authoritarian structure.

[@dnxiiee]

so much wisdom! so much truth!

[@hamzazad5258]

In the US there is an exception to the 13th amendment. That exception resulted in the US having 25% of the all incarcerated people in the world.

[@eamonnmckeown6770]

Which is about a million people currently out of 330 million. Perhaps we should be like China and just use surveillance to keep everyone in line. Unless you're a Uigher then you get locked up for your religion unlike Americans who get locked up when they commit crimes, maybe, but not in California lately. Europe of course has cataclysmic wars every 50 years or so to work out it's issues. And it has a very high tolerance level for grooming gangs so prison isn't really needed for that at least. South Africa seems determined to genocide it's Boer population. Why bother with locking them up I suppose. Oh. And I'd like to see the piece of paper that contains this exception clause in the 13th Amendment. I'll even take Wikipedia as a source. lol.

[@sebsebski2829]

Maybe there is something wrong with your culture? Ever thought about that? Your pseudo-individualism is the root of all your problems.

[@sanitorz232]

@@eamonnmckeown6770 'Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction'. constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-13/ How does it feel knowing that a Mexican knows more about U.S. law than you?

[@DearFellowIdiots]

He looks like the main character in movie 'Joker' but more in a more optimistic, sane and intelligent one.

[@KyleR-q8k]

Okay, but how do we get things done if there is no incentive? Put his ideology into action, no big or small business, and watch society fall. 75% of people will sit around doing nothing.

[@zacharyparis]

Yeah, the idea of everyone following their dreams is BS. The world wouldn’t function.

[@eta0carinae]

how did you write this comment without incentive smartass

[@HistoryOfRevolutions]

Amazing insights. These words should be used to break the chains of slavery

[@paifu.]

Can someone send me the link of the full version plz?

[@ryantaylor8115]

anyone know where can I get more information on his reference to the 19th century when renting was seen as an infringement on human rights?

[@johnwill8467]

What? Slaves didn't have a choice - workers in the free market do have a choice? Yikes.

[@MinisterRedPill]

A choice? Choosing who your master is, is "choosing" to you?

[@Sarasara89835]

I love this man

[@Appleriver3]

This is a wonderful Channel but unfortunately the audio on most of the videos is too low.

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

SEIZE THE MEANS OF SOUND PRODUCTION

[@zebunker]

There is this cool device called volume control. Perhaps it's on your Obama phone. Check the sides.

[@1398go]

@@zebunker lol

[@marzenababij5148]

Many thanks🦋💙🦋

[@zelenisok]

from which lecture is this?

[@ZenMasterNahc]

Dear whomever, you will never own me.

[@DanivirAmadeus]

Nobody wants to own a corpse.

[@GlassesAndCoffeeMugs]

Pure genius

[@hughtierney9109]

It's good to hear the Von Humboldt's thinking is still current.

[@vg8062]

It's easy to criticise, much harder to offer realistic solutions. You could say ants are slaves as well, yet they work together for a common goal, each with their own task, sometimes dictated to them through birth (Cephalotes varians turtle ants). A company is just a collection of people, it's up to them to make it enjoyable and meaningful and profitable.

[@johnnysecular]

i agree with you that a company is a collection of people working together and that yes it is possible to find the work meaningful. but i also find it was very important for me to look at things through the lens that Chomsky is expressing here. to hear quotes like “humans are here to create and inquire” corroborates and justifies my eagerness to do those two things and assured me that i wasn’t just insane for having this urge. in the past i worked a job that gave me very fleeting and inconsistent sense of accomplishment. today i enjoy a job that gives me a lot more frequent sense of accomplishment. Chomsky’s writing and quotes did not cause me to feel miserable in the times where my job and work was soul crushing. It was the nature of the work itself that made me miserable. but i do think your comment is very relevant for young people to read and not preemptively hate work; no, work first, and hate it first-hand if you have to hate it. don’t hate work just because there’s a theory that says it’s dreadful.

[@TrayDayX]

Most of my people think getting rich means turning your back on morals. Thats why successful people endup walking alone

[@legato6999]

I can hardly hear anything about the question being asked (first 35 seconds or so).

[@1398go]

Don’t worry, it really wasn’t that important. Just a minion saying how his masters treat him well and all is dandy.

[@Discovery_and_Change]

0:36 response begins

[@silencenhikes6692]

Why we don’t have level headed guys like him not searching for clout running the governments?

[@rocksparadox]

Because power attracts sociopaths and worse. :/

[@silencenhikes6692]

@rocksparadox exactly what I was saying yesterday when people support and worship a certain person or side. Why worship any of them since they are such sociopaths. I mean it looks like none of them feel guilt or remorse, just spew out shit, cheat, lie, and can still face a camera and smile and look proud. Only sociopaths can do that.

[@AmmanAbbasi-cb9lq]

@@silencenhikes6692 You don’t run a government on speeches, you need money

[@blake-nw4pd]

Because he sounds like a communist.

[@IanCunningham92]

It's simple: owners take care of their property; renters do not.

[@jimmckinley8110]

The same argument could be made about so called 'Humane Slaughter' of animals.

[@cwmoriarty]

"blow up Lotus"? Is he referring to the software company, or something else entirely?

[@jbohnoff]

The Family Law institution of the 🇺🇲. Fathers are stripped of their rights, dignity and access to their children while their resources are plundered and distributed to their ex-wife. If the slave rebels, he's carted off to jail.

[@avatarion]

Every law is enforced by violence. Don't pay taxes, eventually some armed men will show up to try to murder you.

[@David-210]

If a 100k or 1mil. or 10 mil. slaves rebel, then they won't go to jail.

[@jbohnoff]

@@David-210 An awareness needs to become widespread. The system is wholly & monumentally unjust.

[@usmh]

It really detracts from the video when one can't completely hear what the guy in the crowd is saying. I get the gist of it, but I need more than the gist to also absorb what Noam is saying.

[@marijandesin8226]

Property tax is the problem Nothing else

[@AWayOfLiving84]

I feel so sad I'm removing good loving wisdom stuff off KZbin🤗

[@dawidwtorek]

Hunter gatherers have to hunt and gather to survive. They have no choice. Is that inhumane?

[@sebsebski2829]

According to Chomsky this is slavery and humans need to stop being humans because we need food to survive. Leftism in a nutshell.

[@Cyberphunkisms]

the only point zizek and chomsky would have agreed on, if chomsky didn't dismiss zizek

[@meanscene914]

Damn, the way he begins his response makes you wondering what the hell they were learning back then

[@mikeodee1164]

i thank god i escaped wage slavery by living off the government

[@Knaeben]

And now we also have debt slavery in the US!

[@imavileone7360]

The unpayable debt that is being forced on new generations only strengthens the wage slavery system. If you don't work 2-3 shit jobs for 7 days a week you'll default on your medieval based unbankruptable debt which will then lead to wage garnishment and possibly affect your ability to pay rent. If you don't have a home I doubt you'll be able to be properly employed and in America, homelessness is guaranteed prison time.

[@TinFoilHatConspiracy]

@@imavileone7360 Sounds like someone who made bad choices 😂 It's really not that hard

[@AyuNico]

@@TinFoilHatConspiracy Because a single "bad" choice justifies getting piled under thousands of debt for your entire life.

[@TinFoilHatConspiracy]

@@AyuNico That's not a single bad choice that is a series of bad choices. You deserve what you get.

[@AyuNico]

@@TinFoilHatConspiracy So you deserve to be piled up in debt just because you followed what your parents and society told you what was the best. You're a bootlicker in every sense of the word.

[@geneharrogate6911]

Great. Now whats the option?

[@67hoursAndCounting]

If everyone's job served society (which it did back in the classical period), then I feel like it's a different situation.