Pokemon Black & White: When Everything Changed

[@obeserob5027]

30:33 according to the devs it's because the region of unova is far removed from the previous generations causing less predators allowing for longer infancy times. Which is pretty cool considering that's a real thing that happens in real life human beings being a great example

[@NocturnalFudj]

That's dope, I wish there was something official about that in-game,

[@GeddyRC]

Yo that was pretty cool how you said “beings being” and it made sense, probably don’t happen much

[@brya9681]

@@NocturnalFudj pretty sure its existence shows that lol

[@connormerrifield5576]

“I really have no faith in them to do subtle story telling” actually this game has a lot, one example, each fight with N you have he only uses Pokémon that are readily available, showing how he only battles when necessary and releases his team after each fight

[@galactic3536]

And ghetsis' theme perfectly counters the team N uses in the endgame

[@rylanBread]

Also ghetsis’s hydreigon has full powered frustration

[@nidohime6233]

If that so why there where inside of Pokeballs when you fight agaisnt N? Where is your Pokémon lover now, huh? :V Ps: I'm just making laugh about the nonsense of the game itself, I mean they could have programme so N releases his Pokémon on battle by just showing up, not coming from any Pokeball like the rest of trainers. Is not that hard, they already did it in HGSS.

[@nidohime6233]

@Jacob Ivancic Still a bit out of place where he is supposed to be friend of every creature. But whatever, is just like asking how the economy of Hyrule works if you can get money by cutting grass, you just ignore it for the sake of fun.

[@fort809]

Exactly, he asks for subtle storytelling but completely misses all of it. Then he also misses obvious storytelling in the team plasma knights thing

[@squill4883]

"it just ends, you never get to know where he stands" He says as N in the background explains where he stands

[@StarxLolita]

I was just telling a friend yesterday that a big problem Pokemon has is that its NPCs/rivals are pretty basic, and used N as an example of a truly interesting character that isn't just a trope. It's baffling someone wouldn't like him just cuz he's weird and cryptic? Pokemon that can speak and the power they have is weird and cryptic, it makes sense...

[@Alanixs2242]

@@StarxLolita btw N is a zoroark desguised as a human, makes him 10 times cooler in my opinion, if u are interested maybe check out some of the theory videos out there

[@johnalddrumph456]

@@Alanixs2242 I'm pretty sure that's just an internet theory and not confirmed in any legitimate way

[@silentstorm5439]

@@johnalddrumph456 he transforms into a Zoroark in black and white 2

[@johnalddrumph456]

@@silentstorm5439 really? I never played BW2 so I honestly had no idea. Thanks for the info

[@randomedgygamer2191]

Gen 5 was the peak of classic Pokémon gameplay wise

[@brandscape356]

Yeah, those genie Pokemon just can't hold a candle to the Legendary trio from your beloved Gen IV: Blue blob with yellow hat, blue blob with red hat, and blue blob with - wait for it - BLUE hat. Even better, the Lake trio all have the exact same typing and ability. How exciting! Truly a masterpiece of design.

[@Mo-fz1to]

Gen 5 music goes hard, what are you talking about.

[@antifireemblem8224]

Worse than the first 4 gens and it’s not even close

[@shellshockedbros4458]

@@antifireemblem8224 Thats completely wrong. If you seriously think that Gen 5 has worse music than gen 1 and 2, you're delusional. The ONLY Pokemon game that has any life in its music besides Gen 5 is gen 3. Gen 4s music is good, but the game is very slow, and it holds the music back.

[@antifireemblem8224]

Shellshocked Bros my dude not even the nostalgia for me could save gen 5s music conpared to the previous ones, although you do know it’s Pokémon most games have great music like kirby, gen 5 just has not as good music as 1-4 not sure about the more recent gens I’ll have to relisten to their soundtracks and compare them to 5 but i can say I definitely prefer 3 and 4 music without a doubt, 1 and 2 are better than 5 but not as good as 3 and 4

[@lilaoast5961]

@@antifireemblem8224 Opelucid city (white) Colress battle theme rival Hugh battle theme Vs. legendary theme Just to name a few

[@antifireemblem8224]

Lila Oast eh they’re okay i mean keep in mind it’s pokemon all their songs are ok at least

[@izydas4122]

I really like the plot, because I think you're supposed to know how bad plasma is and you feel bad for N because he's the one who doesn't see it.

[@vrldf8181]

I absolutely agree with you. As a player, you know that Team Plasma is the Evil Team from Unova/Teselia, and you know that what they think is wrong. You know that Ghetsis can't think that way, but you also feel bad for N because he doesn't draw the line. When N says that he's the king of Team Plasma and starts being controversial and thinking the same way as Team Plasma, you get mixed opinions on him. Because you know that he's not right, but you still try to show him that he shouldn't be on Plasma's side.

[@ryanstaiger1712]

Ya, he says that Ghetsis is obviously evil, but that was never exactly a secret, his dialogue implies it very early on. What was compelling was how N was. He wasn’t evil, just truly passionate about his vision. The problem was it was for Ghetsis’s own interest. You opposed his ideals so u and him were Black and White. Hence the names of the game

[@kirby6470]

Didn't some of Team Plasma genuinely believe in N though?

[@ryanstaiger1712]

カービィKirby some did, others just used his ideals as an excuse to be evil

[@vrldf8181]

@@kirby6470 Yes. Those are who didn't go to Team Neo Plasma in 2012. Neo: Ghetsis' side. Normal: N's side.

[@ChaseTrent]

Wait what? Why is the title of "King of Team Plasma" weird? Team Plasma's original theme resembles that of the medieval knights. The grunts look like knights. Their logo resembles a shield. Ghetsis's clothing resembles the crenelation of a fortified position such as a castle. Their base is a castle.

[@philcoast1031]

I was thinking the same thing. The medieval theme in Team Plasma is clearly obvious in their design, so when N says he's the King, it doesn't come out as strange or unexpected. It matches everything we saw from this team so far.

[@sojjjer]

Chase Trent ok I know full well that the grunts are meant to be dressed in something akin to chainmaille but I’ll be honest I get why people don’t understand it because truthfully it is not communicated that well

[@princesspikachu3915]

Team Plasma was trying to set up a dictatorship in the plot. They did it in the name of “freeing the Pokémon from abuse” but it was all lies set up by Team Plasma’s leader Hillary Clinton who then proceeded to cause a racial war between Alolan and Galar forms before killing N who was really Joe Biden who became woke. This is what happens when you watch the news and a Pokémon video at the same time. Poor Bernie Sanders was then banished to being the “bean guy” in Gen 7 and Donald Trump is Guzma. Bad Guzma.

[@CrazyQuilman157]

Y'know, if you actually follow the plot and lore, they specifically DID set up a medieval theme because there was actually a king with two sons who owned the Pokemon that supposedly became Kyurem when the debate between the search for and emphasis on "truth" was opposed by the hope and focus towards "ideals" between the two sons. Honestly? I feel like "truth" and "ideals" might have been a bad translation choice, but it's a debate about the way things are and the way things should be...but one of those mindsets will always be forever chasing unrealistic goals while the other is mired in complacency. Meaning that, if they stand opposed, nothing good will ever be achieved. This is why N finally realizing he's been lied to and manipulated to believe humans only hurt Pokemon is subtly clever...but it's only in a Fridge Logic kind of way, and isn't properly expanded upon.

[@augustg2059]

It just kinda sounds dumb lmao

[@Elijah-hz9ls]

FINALLY, THE TRUTH❤❤❤

[@Moonsong227]

Oh thank god finally someone who adores gen 4

[@crabington6036]

i’m not gonna lie, haxorus isn’t my favorite looking pokémon but the design is pretty sick. like you look at it and it’s just like... axe dragon. it’s an axe dragon. axe dragon. that’s pretty cool. respect. axe dragon 🪓 🐉

[@vrldf8181]

And Hydreigon too. It's a fucking three-headed dragon and it's cool as fuck.

[@princesspikachu3915]

I liked all of the dragon types in Gen 5.

[@CGFillertext]

Haxorus is so cool it’s literally my favorite of all time

[@Phoenix_Blader_93]

@@CGFillertext now its shiny form....

[@CGFillertext]

AceTrainer Wes also amazing!

[@ShinyKelp]

Regarding team plasma, I always saw two sides on it: there's the generic evil team who does bad stuff to gain power, and then there's N's team. N firmly believed in his claims that liberating pokemon was for the best, and Ghetsis simply used him to get the legendary's power. But that doesn't undermine the ambiguous morality that N presents with his view: Throughout the game, and throughout your various encounters, N always gets even the smallest of doubts about his ideals whenever he loses to the player. This eventually builds up to the last fight for the champion title, in which both the player and N have their respective legendary backing up their philosophy. THIS battle is the thing that answers the everlasting question: "is it moral to keep pokemon in balls and make them fight?": N who raised his team with his proggresive ideals, or the player who is a talented, yet fully traditional trainer. All the games continuously praise the best trainers as those who can liberate the most potential out of their pokemon through trust and bond, and BW is no different. N doubted himself when he lost to the player in the climatic battle, when his ideals proved no better than a traditional trainer's ways. And that is what made him disappear and think about himself and his views, it is even brought up in the sequels. The game didn't answer the morality question by: "well the other side is clearly bad guys", it answered it by: "you beat the other side at their best, and thus proved that you are better".

[@TheMasterBlaze]

Yes, exactly! N and Hilbert/Hilda are supposed to be different or opposing sides of the SAME coin; while Ghetsis is the antithesis to both of their beliefs. That's why your two best friends are dichotomous in truth and ideals. Just like N and Hilbert/Hilda.

[@eliv1632]

This is very well said my friend!

[@squirtleislife1312]

I also like to mention how N, who was brainwashed to blindly follow ghetchis' flawed ideas, was able to see his mistakes and grow from them, something ghetchis didn't ever allow him to do

[@lpfan4491]

I kinda feel as if the story would be better if g-cis was not just evil because he just is.

[@TheMasterBlaze]

@@lpfan4491 You have to be a historian with a degree from university to know what makes ghetsis tick other than his megalomania.

[@MrSupersonic2012]

I feel like saying that Gen 5 was the last real good generation of Pokemon games. Gen 6 and 7 did introduce some really good new Pokemon and concepts, but their biggest sin is how they treat the player. Every issue with the gen 5 games that I had can be forgiven because at the end of the day, these games do respect the players intelligence. XY and to a further extent Sun and Moon have no respect for the players intelligence or sense of adventure. I am currently playing through a host of old Pokemon games in preparation for Sword and Shield. Trying to get into Ultra Sun is a chore. Two hours in, the game has yet to let me explore and really start my adventure. XY once the first Gym was beaten I received a tiny bit of freedom. Pokemon Emerald. Within 10 minutes I have my starter, I've beaten my rival, and I'm off on my adventure. I should not feel like the game is slamming the breaks whenever I want to go somewhere.

[@NocturnalFudj]

Sounds like we have almost the exact same thoughts on Pokemon ahaha

[@MrSupersonic2012]

@@NocturnalFudj When Ultra Sun came out I got it day one. After two hours of the same experience I had in regular Sun I turned it off and instead played Pokemon Red that I downloaded from the eShop. I had a much more satisfying time playing the 20+year old game that has no graphics or animation to speak of.

[@vonwegenmo6459]

I really highly agree with you, that is whx i think gen 3 and for are by far one of the best gens!

[@dukeofkings8942]

@@MrSupersonic2012 The worst part of recent games is the beginning, but it gets better. Ultra Sun is well known for having a super-hard boss fight, so that's fun

[@TheAbsol7448]

I'm honestly not getting SwSh because Game Freak's dishonesty in the advertising makes me feel pretty insulted. I'm also immensely disappointed because I outright expected the first console Pokémon to be so much more. It should've met the standard of a home console Nintendo game that they've built up for decades. But it looks like it was developed for the N3DS for 80% of its development.

[@rubberbandman8950]

I actually like sigilyph

[@itsgatrtime5690]

I like it too :)

[@gerg669]

his design is pretty cool

[@gavrielgoncalves2185]

"Gen 5 have so much bad pokemon design" Cof cof exegute cof cof voltorb cof cof

[@SparkyThePikachu100]

I think 5th gen was aiming at a slightly older audience. Battles got more depth (this was the golden era of competitive Pokémon), it got a little edgier and the tried to make a more meaningful story.

[@inconemay1441]

Those who hate the infinite weather and dragon meta would like to talk with you. I can feel the edgier aesthetics though, just like in Gen 4.

[@SparkyThePikachu100]

Incone May lmao you’re right though. Rain was broken af but I loved it, Parafusion thunderous was a bitch and a half and power gems were op. Still the meta I had the most fun with.

[@ryanstaiger1712]

Ya, I always liked it bc the main character looked older and plus it was based off of America so it seemed really relatable for me to attach to these games at a young age

[@Abbas_4213]

Yeah I remember as a kid not liking the story at all but the competitive meta was probably the most fun I’ve had in competitive mons. I think I’m gonna replay black2 to remember the story and gameplay.

[@MultiJudgmentdragon]

This is completely incorrect, not only are these games easier and far simpler to complete than gen 3 and 4 but the meta is also easier to control and win with various degenerate weather teams, if you go online you will see OU gen 3 and 4 battles are way longer and harder to win than gen 5 and same goes for the ingame postgames in previous games, need I mention frontiers and pokeathlon lol, from gen 5 onwards they started to rewind the clock on the age because the games were getting to complicated for kids.

[@squill4883]

It's so strange how two people can play the same game, one saying the music and locations are forgettable and the other believing the complete opposite. I pretty much have the complete opposite opinions from you and I don't know why. The soundtrack (for me) is the best in the series, the locations (the best designed so far)

[@ryanstaiger1712]

William Richards you could say both your ideas are black and white from each other😂

[@squill4883]

@@ryanstaiger1712 true!

[@nidohime6233]

To me the soundtrack is fine but the locations feel forgetable, I don't know what happend there or gen 4 but most towns seem samey. Maybe it has to do with the overused of cold colours or something, or making every town have the same kind of fir tree, I dunno.

[@rajveer_bw]

I agree! Unwavering emotions is still a song from the soundtrack that I'd randomly put on my laptop late at right. It just hits you right in the feels

[@iceblacktempestrv6426]

Nido Hime I feel like older games have more forgettable towns and cities. Even some towns share the same theme with others unlike Sinnoh or Unova. I can vividly remember towns and cities like Lacunosa Town, Pastoria City, Opelucid City, or Celestic Town, but it’s hard to remember Azalea Town, Violet City, Celadon City, or Cerulean City. Then again, I feel as if that’s a result of what Pokémon games I grew up with compared to other Pokémon fans such as yourself. I’m personally a Sinnoh baby, and it’s my first region, so I feel more attachment and it’s more memorable for me. When people talk about Pokémon, quite often will there be an abundance of disparaging of other gens or regions, but that’s indicative of what people grow up with, different generations of fans even, have different experiences with each generation of Pokémon. I find that endearing thinking about everyone’s personal and unique experiences with such a renowned franchise. Sorry for the tangent, I-I got carried away, ehehe.

[@the0therethan]

Say what you will about gen 5, but you can’t disagree with me when I say the soundtrack slaps

[@hpneeded4282]

Facts. I personally love Black and White 1 & 2.

[@houndofculann1793]

Can't disagree when I don't know what "slaps" means in this context =D

[@hpneeded4282]

@@houndofculann1793 Slaps as in, "Goes hard af." Or, it is amazing.

[@maripaws]

Indeed.

[@lockscorparationunrapped4309]

Yep your right

[@pip5188]

Gen 5 probably has the best music of any generation

[@user-wi9se5ll3j]

I feel bad for the creator, he has to deal with Gen 5 fans who see nothing wrong with the Gen

[@andrewcosmicanimations8709]

I can never describe what a wonderful feeling playing this game for the first time was. Everything was new, the pokemon looked awesome, the music was catchy, the look and environments were amazing. The game itself felt so big, yet, you never felt lost or overwhelmed. It's the one game where you would replay again, knowing that you will never has the same feeling of mystery, but will remind you of how good you felt playing it for the first time. Nostalgia at it's finest.

[@ryanstaiger1712]

The Cosmic, Kidd couldn’t agree more. Best music, best memories

[@KaleEb449]

Just finished the main game, and going into the post-game. Even now, I'm 20 years old and the game hits differently. Imo it's the most beautiful looking Pokemon game we've had. The large cities, the mountains, the bridges and forests... Everything felt perfect. The music was very fitting, upbeat when it wants and goes dark when the story hitting. I remember I almost cried when the gym leaders went to the character's rescue vs. the sages. And I had a very similar feeling now at 20. I love and have nostalgia for every Pokemon game. But Black/White is just different. I think it's the best Pokemon game we've had.

[@wolfhex3233]

100% agree. Gen 5 was the last time I ever felt such excitement exploring a Pokemon world. The whole atmosphere of Unova was dark and edgy, and not in a stereotypical way. Some designs are forgettable, but I remember being just as intrigued with almost every single Pokemon. There was a theme going on. Sigilyph was found near yamask - what would later evolve into a mummy. Sigilyph alone was just abstract but when you look at him in the bigger picture, it makes sense. Everyone says designs are bad. Like in this vid where you could literally describe “blue man on cloud” but that can be said for every single Pokemon. Charizard - a dragon. That’s it. Blastoise - tortoise with guns. Venusaur - lizard with plants growing on it. But with Pokemon (we’ll exclude the more recent games) there was a theme/concept with Pokemon and they had to be viewed together and with context. It was more than just looks but sadly people didn’t seem to get that. I doubt I’ll ever get that same feeling than what I did in gen 5. Why can’t we just get a new Pokemon game with a whole new Pokédex and only at post game will we be able to venture further and find Pokemon from previous gens. *sigh* Rant over 😂

[@briannacherry2224]

The Cosmic, Kidd that’s crazy because I feel the same way about Gen 4. It was my first pokemon game and it was truly an amazing experience.

[@stephendecaturjr.7469]

Completely agree. When these games came out I was still a kid and didn't know how to look things up on the internet like new games or reveals, so all the Pokemon were new to me. I adored Gen 4, and gen 5 was a completely separate and wondrous world to discover. I was excited to stumble into the grass and see what new pokemon I would see. Gen 5 always seemed like a soft reboot to me.

[@TurboPikachu]

Gen 5 was the first (and last) Pokemon generation where it felt like the series was *actually* trying to grow up with its fans. It stands to date as (IMO) one of the most enjoyable gaming experiences of the 2010s as more and more franchises were becoming disappointments in the same time frame. By 2020 almost all long-standing franchises I grew up on (including Pokemon) are MASSIVE disappointments in their latest iterations (except Mario, Zelda, Smash, Animal Crossing), but I'm very thankful that Pokemon still appealed to me even up until 2012's Black 2/White 2 after having already graduated high school by the time of that entry's release.

[@ryannoble8536]

It tried to change and evolve and make a deep story but as always, every fandom is shit she complained a LOT about it. GF listened and then we got Gen 6. Now everyone who hated it says Gen 5 is their favorite Gen now. 🙄

[@TurboPikachu]

@@ryannoble8536 This also happened with Sonic. People hated 06's broken gameplay, and Sega *misheard* the fans and killed the Adventure formula. Fans didn't like the Werehog in Unleahsed, and because Sega listened, Sonic games no longer last over 15 hours like the Adventure games, Heroes, 06, and Unleashed used to and we've gone back to games being barely 5 - 8 hours. Fans didn't like Sonic Team experimenting with Sonic Lost World, and because Sega listened, we got Forces, a 2.5-hour insult that is the most boring and disappointing entry to date. I don't hate Pokemon... Sword and Shield have *HUGE* problems but underneath all the graphical inadequacies, optimization issues, and developmental shortcuts to meet a holiday deadline, I can still see that some of the developers, artists, and composers cared. But I kinda do hate Sonic now.... There's nothing to like in Forces. It's just a horrible platformer that's worse than Colors from the Wii 10 years ago, with an avatar creator... Sonic Team could have just released the avatar creator by itself on the eShop/XBLA/PSN/Steam for $10 and it would have been a more valuable product than Sonic Forces is.

[@shadestrider1033]

I feel like it was the last entry to present an adventure. Not a guided tour, like everything since Gen 6. It moved forward, but it didn’t ditch what made its predecessors great. I wish the games just went in this direction.

[@TheMurrmursonbottle]

It just felt more mature overall. The more mature themes in each story, the older age of the protagonists and how they’re treated by other characters, it felt like we were actually being respected as a fanbase, which pokemon has consistently failed to do for years now

[@matotb3427]

i mostly enjoyed x and y, but pokemon bw, and bw 2 were just so amazing for its time, each new pokemon game it gets easier and less challenging. I replayed pokemon white on my ds and it took me like 4 days to finish it but i can finish pokemon sw and sh in like a day without trying.

[@stuffedanimalwars7692]

I’m going to be honest I kinda like Sigilyph, I dunno why, the closest thing to a reason I can give as to why I like Sigilyph is “it looks cool and abstract,” maybe it’s just so weird and abstract that it’s memorable and kinda cool, I dunno

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

It has such a strange stat-line and movepool that it causes me to have a soft-spot for it. And I always liked Nazca lines so that is another plus.

[@linksgrandma5269]

Sigilyph is one of my favorite pokemon and I always use it when I play the gen 5 games.

[@hostiusasinhostilityhostil7853]

If you're playing through casually, it's really fun to use a Magic Guard Sigilyph with Cosmic Power. You max its defences, then get it to just blast everything with Psychic and Air Slash. It gets Cosmic Power at level 48, so it's a bit of a wait, but you can waste half the Elite Four with it. It gets even better when you find the Leftovers. Its ability also means that it's impervious to all damage except through direct attacks - and with those massively buffed defences, it's now basically a fast tank.

[@jeffmiles4356]

Don’t feel bad for liking Sigilyph. Very underrated Pokémon

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

@@jeffmiles4356 Well at the very least NU, I don't know about UU.

[@hermitcrb256]

can I just say, as a swedish citizen the king doesn't have to be the "leader", we have a king but from what I know they don't have much power they are mostly a representation. So I think N is just supposed to be the image of team plasma while Ghetsis can control everything

[@JC111414]

Thats pretty much it

[@umbrellashotgunman]

Hell, look at Queen Lizzie in Buckingham Palace.

[@hook6715]

literally spot on!

[@GreatNegus]

N's weirdness is explained. Ghetsis sheltered the hell out of him to make him easier to groom. The only social contact N had growing up were Pokemon that had been hurt by humans.

[@Dav-zy1dw]

Ghetsis was the original groomer

[@pablopicado156]

This.

[@UnknowableDandelion]

I see your viewpoint and as a lover of Gen V, I can understand your perspective perfectly. The reason a lot of people disliked it was because it didn't have the same very happy vibe of the other games. The plot asked a serious question, the music was not always upbeat but amazing in a way that made us feel a strong sense of nostalgia. The games really stuck out and while I understand that to be why a lot of people didn't like them, they're my favorite for that reason precisely.

[@SceptileDude254]

In this way, I felt like the Pokemon series was finally maturing at that poiny. It felt like it had the beginnings of being more mature and (despite not fully commiting to their imposing question of Pokemon ownership morality), actually felt like something you'd see from a young adult shonen anime. It had its experiment with trying to do something different and mature with it's story that wasn't so typical preteen good vs evil storytelling. But since people didn't like it, it was forever shut down and forced pokemon back into it's rut that it has had for the majority of this decade: don't do anything drastic or challenging (gameplay or story-wise).

[@aspenpawarts9333]

How? His perspective makes no sense and he contradicts himself a lot

[@Puggers22]

@@SirDibble25 What's wrong with the story in black and white

[@FoziVideos]

@@Puggers22 The video addresses it. The 'serious argument' the game presents is executed without any grays. The liberation perspective is never addressed, the game just goes "oh, it was just the bad guys who thought that, nevermind" and renders the entire development of the story meaningless. N ends up thinking he's wrong bc u beat him at a pokemon battle and bc his 'dad' was Evil. Any opinions regarding the story are subjective of course, but I personally find gen 1 and 2s story more mature, if basically non existent.

[@Puggers22]

@@FoziVideos Yeah, I can understand why maybe some people don't like the plot

[@PlooshYT]

I feel like the fact that everyone panned Gen 5 for a period, is the reason there’s so much stagnation in the series. Gamefreak listened, somehow, and now we’re stuck in a constant loop of introducing new gimmicks that get cut a game later.

[@donaldjgumpofficial5754]

I don't really have video equipment and stuff and I don't know how to edit but if I could, I would make a big video discussing how the early criticism of gen 5 and low sales of BW2 caused pokemon to change for the worse.

[@wesleywinklaar]

Donald J Gump Official If I could like this 1000 times I would. If Gen 5 wasn’t the lowest selling Generation of Pokémon I honestly don’t think we’d be in this predicament.

[@suru7064]

I always hear gen 5 getting critism for lack of older pokemon but gen 2 never get criticize for there lack of new pokemon at the time

[@zjzr08]

@@suru7064 What do you mean, I guess there is few new Pokemon sure, but they were still there (as early as getting your starter), while Gen 5 no old Pokemon can be found until the post-game.

[@BlueMountain1992]

@@suru7064 omissions Jefferson McCall brunch usually otherworldliness feedback

[@cesium8857]

I thought sigilyph looked cool

[@madnan.5028]

same and it is. In our opinion

[@lu-em6wr]

The dude said he hated darumaka and I was gonna cry because it’s so damn cute, but I’m gonna let that slide and then he goes and disses my boy sigilyph 😭

[@thomasski9862]

I remember starting over 3 Nuzlockes because I wanted sigilyph so bad

[@idrissb9742]

Sigilyph is defo one of my least liked of all time. Heres the beauty of disagreeing based on taste. Everyone likes different things for sometimes random reasons. I really like ariados’ design for example, one many people dont bother to think about haha. Its all gucci to like and dislike different things ^^

[@Bella-po8vh]

@@idrissb9742 when I was young playing the bw games sigilyph creeped me out lol but now I find it fascinating. But yeah I agree with you, everyone likes something someone dislikes and vice versa, a lot of people hate druddigon but I think his colorful, gargoyle, silly-looking, inanimate concept is really cool lol

[@Metronomical3]

you have balls I'll give you that

[@Gamagamer64]

When you're that one guy who actually likes sigilyph

[@jordanr4560]

Sigylith is the jar jar binks of the pokemon universe

[@overrated2975]

Well than misa love sigilyph

[@Nameless_mixes]

It’s ok, you’re one of two guys who likes Sigilyph 👍

[@THE_Mirage]

One of 3 guys now

[@charliez077]

lol I'm shocked there seems to be criticism of Sig's design...? yeah some Gen 5 mons suck but I always thought Sigilyph is a GREAT design!

[@moodle6500]

16:35 alright if I need to criticize *one* part it's this one. 1st : the intro shows him being crowned and if you skip it it's your fault. I watched it when I first played the game, it's easy. 2nd: even without the whole knight thing that's talked about in the pinned comment. King=ruler=leader it's completly fine unless you want to overthink it.

[@MembersCorner]

"there is nothing in the intro that shows that N is like a king" DUDE He is literally being crowned in the intro

[@NocturnalFudj]

Huh? Where does this quote supposedly come from? "Aside from the opening cutscene on the homescreen which most players just skip in the first 2 seconds anyway, there's been no reference whatsoever to Team Plasma having a monarchy for whatever reason, or having a king." That's a direct quote from me at 16:40

[@MembersCorner]

Fudj sorry you are correct, I was half listening and it just caught my attention.

[@darry2885]

@@NocturnalFudj I mean, even if it's a cutscene on the homescreen, that doesn't mean it holds any less significance. Does that mean that every game with skippable cutscenes has lore that isn't valid because you can skip those cutscenes? No. If someone skipped out on that cutscene and missed that bit of lore, that's their fault, not the game's. Just how if someone skips all the cutscenes of a game and miss out on the lore in it, that's their fault, not the game's. The position of the lore doesn't matter. If you miss it, you miss it, and that's a fault of your own, not the developer's. *Matter fact*, it's not even just Pokemon that uses intro cutscenes to establish what's going on in the game. LOADS of games have done it. It's pretty much an accepted thing that games can give lore in the opening scene before you even play the game, and critiquing this just makes it seem like you're reaching for additional invalid reasons to dislike the game, rather than taking the time to point out a legitimate flaw.

[@rickw9291]

Darion Logan I feel like if it’s lore that’s specifically relevant to understanding the story and characters in it, it shouldn’t be skippable then. Like yeah the players should be held accountable to some extent but it’s still an odd/stupid decision

[@johntaxpayer2523]

@@NocturnalFudj apart from the time they tell you N is the king of team plasma, they never tell you N is the king of team plasma? got it

[@Dbrotlord]

Im just happy you specifically mentioned galvantula as a well designed pokemon

[@ecota8150]

Only tarantula I ain't scared of

[@chupacadabra5161]

@@ecota8150 Hell, I have a phobia of spiders and Galvantula is one of my favorite Unova Pokémon.

[@theerealatm]

I haven't played pokemon nearly as consistent but galavantula was a pokemon I just had to have. Loved ariados even though I hate spiders.

[@elderalencar4832]

Joltik is the cutest thing.

[@moneylou2871]

Bruh you trippin how can you not like the soundtrack

[@jumpyultra9566]

People can have opinions

[@kieraneustace2875]

OH CMON SIGILYPH IS ONE OF MY FAVES

[@Helix1101]

i wish I can agree with what you are saying, but with most of your criticisms I harshly disagree. These games imho felt so much more satisfying and better than X and Y or Sun and Moon.

[@wibblemu9]

I gotta replay these games, I remember playing through it the first time and really disliking it. Besides the story I didn't enjoy myself at all. I actually quit pokemon after I beat the main story I didn't touch pokemon again until earlier this year when I beat sun and moon.

[@jefreylopez7708]

The one and only My friend and I completely agree.

[@DrPOP-jp7eb]

@@wibblemu9 same here

[@churbumgirl]

Agreed 100%. Personally I feel like Gen 5 is getting more love than ever right now because most people are realizing how good the games are compared to the newer generations.

[@faisalsalam4161]

I'd personally just like to point out that Gen 5 didnt receive any criticism when it comes to comparing it to the generations that followed like Gens 6-8. I think people compare it more to Gens 1-4. I didnt enjoy Gen 5 as a whole. I thought the story was good of course. I'd have to replay it to go more in depth. I think the designs at the time are largely why for me personally.

[@rain8412]

I dunno, the “king” thing always had quite a bit of weight to me. They make the knight theme extremely obvious, even in the opening cutscene thing. There’s a throne, N gets crowned, Team Plasma looks like knights, their symbol is a shield, Ghetsis has funny tower wall things on his outfit, they _literally have a castle._ B2W2 somewhat helps the moral issues. N has no idea what to believe, and BW protagonist is missing due to heading out to look for N. I’ve always felt the plot of BW/B2W2 were much better than the previous games, at least once you read really deep into the story. Also, on another note, N’s full name is Natural Harmonia Gropius.

[@princiedv]

He never brings up Black and White 2, and I'm so confused about that. Like the sequel would obviously help out with a lot of his thoughts.

[@TrigramThunder]

@@princiedv that's because he's gonna make a separate video on them (b2w2) later this week. stay tuned.

[@princiedv]

@@TrigramThunder ouuu, I can't wait.

[@rocketeer9183]

I don't really like black and white 2 really clears up the moral issues all that much

[@princiedv]

@@rocketeer9183 imo it does, because of how ex-team plasma is handled, and how they're basically animals rights activists that are actually helping Pokemon in bad situations now, rather than that side of the coin be complete filled by the evil team alone. Given that Pokemon are designed to want to battle for fun and competition, you can't clear it up more than that tbh

[@TheMasterBlaze]

I feel pokemon designs aren't an argument. Since each generation has highs and lows. Like we have stellar design in pokemon like Tyranitar, Lugia, Umbreon, but we also have Wobuffet and Stantler introduced at the same time. Aesthetic design of the creature are super subjective and imo shouldn't be brought up as a contentious point for a decision on a region. Gen 5 is special because of the brand new dex acting like a minor soft reset for the franchise to rope in a new generation, BUT this generation has more pokemon than Gen 1; so there should be at least 6 pokemon you like and will be happy to adventure with.

[@adamthechao9519]

Also Garbodor Completes The "Pollution Trio"

[@antifireemblem8224]

Wobuffet is lit, don’t call him garbage smh

[@princesspikachu3915]

Reuben from Stitch I like a male Wobufett but the lipstick on the female is uglier than Jynx...

[@princesspikachu3915]

Also Gen 4 has some really bad designs that are just some of the worst in the entire series. Also Arceus is “llama Jesus”. Regigigas is one of the most useless characters in the main series games. Darkrai is cool but it’s also has one of the most unfair move pools if you are unlucky enough to battle one without anything to counter it with. Some of the worst shinies are from Gen 4. Garchomp is hard to tell even by Pokémon fans if it’s shiny without a side by side comparison.

[@backup9697]

@@princesspikachu3915 Most people like Gen 4 designs... so what's your point? You trashing Gen 4's designs won't change the general consensus that most people don't like Gen 5's Pokemon designs.

[@GabyBong]

Pokémon B&W be hitting different cause it was my first Pokémon game.

[@soshio_0]

This was my very first pokemon game and I loved it

[@blooper1108]

The design team for gen 5 took a lot of concepts from gen 1 and tried to make them a lot better. Muk is a pile of sludge, but Garbodor has unique limbs and a few features. Gen 1 had dugtrio for a “mole”, but look at drilbur and excadrill, they are waaaay better takes on a mole concept. The genies are weird, don’t get me wrong, but at least they have multiple forms. The bird trio are just yellow bird, blue bird, and red bird. This isn’t an argument for why gen 5 designs are so much better than gen 1, it’s an explanation for you calling out conkelldur, rogenrolla, and woobat for being copies of their gen 1 counterparts

[@crabington6036]

yeah that’s something that’s always bothered me, is gen wunners who are like “gen 5 designs are terrible. you have garbage bag, rock, and ice cream. terrible. awful. not anywhere close to the perfection that is pile of sludge. magnet. rock with arms. rock with more arms.” like obviously i love generation one because i’m a dumb stupid pokémon fanboy who plays all the new games even tho it feels like they’re holding my hand the whole way through, and i love the series as a whole even if i feel like it’s doing to much to be accessible to newborn babies, i’m just saying that criticizing gen 5 designs as terrible and basic while holding them up to gen 1 as the gold standard of pokémon designs is... really fucking dumb. like,, unbelievably dumb.

[@squirtleislife1312]

@Rad af dix d you read the comment? They said gen 5 took simple designs of gen 1 and gave them more depth than "it's just a wild animal but with a different colour"

[@squirtleislife1312]

@Rad af there's no way to objectively say how good a design is, but imo it's how many origins it can pull off while feeling like one solid design or how well it represents a specific thing. I'll admit that audino is kinda worse than chansey and that zubat was a pretty ok design with the whole "being deaf but using its ears", but woobat is based off a completely different bat. It's not better nor worse, it's different. And you can't tell me that the ratata line, which is literally a purple rat and an orange fat rat, are better than the patrat line design-wise, no matter personal preference

[@lpfan4491]

old pokemon:seel and goldeen new pokemom:actually cool stuff with only uncool pokemon being boreos(it is just a less unique counterpart to the other two)

[@princesspikachu3915]

Blooper Woobat is better than Zubat. But Crobat is better than Swoobat. But Crobat is Gen 2 and Swoobat is better than Golbat. Victini is adorable and the mythicals are all interesting in their own right.

[@SpriteZero]

"man i hate these legendaries who i obliviously don't know are based on another culture's gods" "the exception is when i don't understand because the design is based on another culture" pick one please

[@Tojofallz]

precisely lol

[@Someone-do6zm]

The second one didn't count for the legendaries There u go 'v'

[@NocturnalFudj]

I'm well aware that they're based on Japanese Gods, doesn't change the fact that they're literally palette swaps, people can reasonably come at me for any manner of things over this video but this is actually just putting words in my mouth and completely misrepresenting what I say Same with Darumaka, which is another thing people are misinterpreting. I'm AWARE that it's based on a Daruma Doll and I'm saying that I don't think the design actually matches that intent very well

[@acwano]

@@NocturnalFudj Well it isnt objectivly badly executed. They justed wanted To make a japenese doll look more pokemonesque. And he dosent look like a used tampon. That was just a joke to discredit the pokemon. Come on man. I never really liked that mon but he dosent deserve this. Its just a cute little devil-doll pokemon. I agree with most of your points but u were a bit harsh with that poor darumaka.

[@user-pi7sj4wm8p]

@@NocturnalFudj In your critique of the Genie Trio it also seems your completely oblivious to their differences. They each have different spine/tail, moustache, hair, horns, and typings. And this isn't even mentioning their other forms were Landorus isn't even bipedal anymore. And although you may not be able to see Darumaka's connection in its design other people than you do definitely see it. And even then I must ask, if a Pokémon based on real life objects, animals, or phenomena is distant from its inspiration does that make its design inherently worse? Also I find your arbitrary connection of the Genie Trio to the Lake Trio weird. In it you say 'at least the Lake Trio have different silhouettes'. This *really* confused me. Other than color/texture the only shape difference is in their heads/caps, whereas the Genie Trio have a larger aray of shapes and geometry to play around with [which I've already mentioned]. You're playing the victim. You're just hoping that people do not recognize that you called them 'cloud men'. You could've called them 'cloud kami' or directly inserted that you knew the reference but instead you used vague language and mislead your audience [that is assuming you're not now saying you know the reference for convenience]. We're not 'putting words in your mouth'. You DID call them 'cloud men' and showed absolutely no comprehension of the Kami Trio's cultural references. Edit: They're not Japanese gods, they are kami. Mortals who suffer from bereavement and hunger who simply have magical powers, believed to exist by most Shinto doctrines. Edit 2: You actually call them '[Insert Color] Man on Cloud' but my point still stands.

[@anothergamer112]

It's ironic. Everyone, myself included, loves gen 5 in retrospect even though you could technically say they were the first games that kicked off a number of trappings that later games have (linearity, shoving characters in your face often, no battle frontier or contests, long conversations, that sort of stuff.) I think people love it now because something worse came after. Gen 5 honestly should still be considered the black sheep of the franchise for all the weird things it did. However, i think what made people come around is how much the gen did on its own. Black and White 1 had a story built around one of pokemons primary controversies and left the door open for a sequel that actually did happen. Black and White 2 has so much actual content that for once felt like pokemon was on par with the present (for 2012) Also I honestly like the gen 5 roster more than gen 1. I feel the opposite of you that I think the gen 5 pokemon have MORE personality.

[@caldw615]

Gen 5 felt more unique because all the Pokémon in the Unova dex were new so it had a similar appeal to playing through Gen 1 again. In other gens you pretty much always knew you'd encounter Zubats and Geodudes in caves or Magikarp when fishing but gen 5 had none of the old mons appear until post game. Some may have disliked it for this same reason if you couldn't take your favourite Pokémon with you from a previous gen but I honestly liked that every mon was new and it made the picks for my team a lot more important since I had no prior knowledge of who was reliable for defence, coverage, HM's etc Excadrill became a big favourite of mine as a new addition as he helped my team out a lot because of his typing and crazy attack stat.

[@sebamg4391]

Gen 5 doesn't deserve to be the black sheep of the franchise what are you talking about, objectively gen 5 is the best; finally we had a great story, tons of new pokemon, solid region, etc. Personally I don't want another game like gen 4 slowest region, almost no story and a few new pokemon, i don't want neither a gen 6 shitty story and ez clap game

[@anothergamer112]

@@sebamg4391 What I mean is the way people reacted to gen 5. It's the "black sheep" for what many, even now, consider weird and out there pokemon designs; the map is a circle when previous regions had more twists in map design; the story was more involved than ever so you the player were strung along more often instead of letting you do things at your own pace; and even team plasma were blatant hypocrites using pokemon where their motif was "battles bad, liberation good." On the surface, these would make gen 5 seem bad, but really, it's as well put together as every game before it. The story addressed the world itself, even the most popular RPGs often stop you with a text wall/cutscene, routes had optional areas and even full caves the story never mentions, and while the roster looks weird, to be honest, absurdity is the lifeblood of RPGs. When I mean it should still be the black sheep, I mean the games after gen 5 should've been better, but instead got gradually worse with every passing installment. You become attached to things you initially hated when something worse comes along. The fact that gen 5 is so loved now is a byproduct of pokemons decline in quality. Funny enough, I always loved gen 5 and never understood the hate, so seeing everyone come around almost feels like a one giant "I told you so" moment.

[@ledreca1]

guess you could say it was the... black and white sheep... im not sorry ✌️

[@Ray03595]

I mean, nostalgia is the answer the all the backlash the video is getting. People who grew up on the game are young adults now and they have fond memories of it as kids. Go back and play the game now, and the story really is unfocused as this video claims. Gen 6 in a few years will get the same treatment 5 is getting now. I was around for the release of Gen 5 as a late teenager and definitely remember the negative reception to many aspects of this game. I cant say the same thing for the games I grew up with as a kid, because when you are a kid, you dont care as much, and any Pokemon game is generally amazing because the formula is that good. Years from now, Sword/Shield will be defended... I shudder at the thought.

[@bensjammin9]

Gen 5 has one of the most interesting and high quality soundtracks in the series. Also my favorite plot in the series, even though it’s a low ass bar.

[@butofcourse]

Actually, I think Gen 5 has a really good plot, it asks a question to the Player, one of the most interesting questions in the Whole Franchise, "Do You Do What's Best For Pokemon?", aside from that, it's really mature for a Pokemon game, (Which is good, Sw/Sh treat you like a Fucking Baby and let you have as much Level as You Want using the Exp Candies and Easily Make your Team Overpowered), In B/W 2 Gethsis Frozes an ENTIRE City with Kyurem, Killing all the People in the City, and I think I heard something about them wanting to Bombard/Nuke the Elite 4

[@isidoreaerys8745]

Gen 5 legendary theme is one of the best battle themes of the series. I never bothered to capture Landorus, Thundorus, Tornadus, Coballion, Virizzion or Terrakion. But ILL admit they have the best theme music. Iris’ theme is a banger too. B&W was the first Pokémon game I got bored with and stopped playing. Came back for X&Y to check out the new bells and whistles and was extremely bored and why did my fox evolve into this hideous thing with hair coming out of its ears. Alola was boycott. Galar was “see, I told you so”. If everyone had boycotted like me we would be playing Pokémon breath of the wild right now.

[@butofcourse]

@Trash X Trash Gethsis freezes an entire city with Kyurem if i'm not mistaken, which, obviously, kills all the inhabitants

[@rullocompressore1550]

@@SirDibble25 yeah because wanting to end the world by covering it with water or ground makes sense (Gen 3). Same goes with resetting the world (gen 4) or destroying it because of "beauty standards" (gen 6) . Black and White had characters, like N, that developed through the story in a more meaningful way compared to other Pokémon main games. I really don't understand how other Pokémon stories could be considered more sensate compared to gen 5 really, rather they result to be very underdevoloped and less thoughtful

[@rullocompressore1550]

@@achyuththouta6957 Me as well as many other people want a good story in a Pokémon game mainly because we started with gen 5 and a better story seems like something necessary. Also I get not liking gen 5 for subjective/taste reason, but dogshit is a big stretch, more so if we compare it to the problems of other Pokémon gens

[@EmoGenderedSlut]

They make it clear from the beginning there's a split in Team Plasma between people who really believe in it, and bullies who just want to be part of the group and have power. And that's made clear in the sequels, where some split off to be a group that is peaceful and helps the abandoned and hurt pokemon, and the other side just became straight up violent pirates. Also, the argument "Why is he a king? That's just a leader, jsut say leader." Like....you just admitted you understand what King means, its just adds flavor, vs just another "leader", the flavor of it being this theocratic organization (i.e. Sages).

[@Idespiseflies]

It feels like this guy rushed gen 5, and then decided to make a video based off his first run, this dude is brave tho

[@NamelessViking01]

I agree if you take your time especially in black and white the story is very detailed and engaging. The second one was "worse" but I still loved both of them.

[@kyleparton4610]

@@NamelessViking01 I was born in 92 and fire red was my first love and have played through all the generations and I have to say gen 5 is my favorite generation not only cuz of the amazing story and cool Pokemon but it got all my friends who stopped playing after gen 3 back into it and turned us all into little kids again

[@NamelessViking01]

@@kyleparton4610 I think Gen 5 is the hidden gen because it seems like everyone got back into pokemon because of Gen 5, Its mu favorite gen and I played every single gen like you. Firered when I was 5 and played every game since and went back to red and blue. Pokemon is really amazing how many memories is built with it.

[@kyleparton4610]

@@NamelessViking01 I meant to say red version but yeah same shit though lol

[@NamelessViking01]

@@kyleparton4610 yeah lol

[@Starwing30]

I hear a lot of the same arguments for people not liking BW (I personally enjoyed most of the pokemon designs, story and even the grind), but BW2 (the underdog) is almost certainly the best pokemon game, objectively.

[@auxia3256]

Starwing30 I agree

[@idontknow.1514]

Starwing30 double agree

[@TrigramThunder]

nah bro. BW is much much better than BW2. BW2 was great but BW was like 3 steps above great. it was the real pinnacle. Given a choice i'd obviously rather play both but if I absolutely had to play only one of them then BW is definitely a much better standalone adventure than BW2. You can only really appreciate the BW2 story after having explored the previous Unova from 2 years earlier and done all your heroic feats. Nate/Rosa will never be as much of an iconic hero as Hilda/Hilbert were. They're the Gold to their Red.

[@AsianRailgun]

@@TrigramThunder I felt like BW2 built on what made BW great, and fixed/improved upon things from those games. New areas and gym redesigns were excellent, PWT is arguably the best postgame facility to exist, and Pokedex selection felt more natural.

[@Mattropolis97]

Francisco Manuel Sánchez Rubio B2/W2 literally made the region bigger, gave us a more thought out emotional story (catching N’s Pokémon really tugs the heart strings), and the most post-game content to date. I don’t think it’s “the best game” but it does objectively give you more bang for your buck than the first installments

[@RandomThumbVids]

"If the design is based of another culture then it's fine I can't recognise the concept" literally, literally not even five minutes later: "Lol duruma doll? lol wtf. lol"

[@NocturnalFudj]

I never said (after seeing what a Daruma Doll is) that I was confused by the fact that it IS supposed to be a Daruma Doll, I'm saying that I don't think the design represents that very well

[@smolbacon758]

@@NocturnalFudj umm that's a reach. Darumaka and darminitan have greatly resemblance to a daruma doll, especially darmanitan in zen mode. It's just blue to contrast that fiery red of rage form darminatan.

[@andromeda0388]

Smol Bacon he doesn’t have a problem with Darmanitan

[@smolbacon758]

@@andromeda0388 I'm just replying to him and saying that it does indeed look like a daruma doll

[@ginkowave5829]

This comment reflects the video in my eyes, contradictions and very bold statements made with the lack of understanding.

[@CKrup]

Sigilyph is one of my favorite gen 5 pokemon. It was on my very first team in gen 5, so was Cryogonal.

[@contraryshinysnivy]

😆😁😁😍same

[@shanechav423]

Say what you want about it they will never make a game this good again

[@BrownieEXE]

they were never good imo

[@shockwavesyndrome6433]

Simisear is funny, not every Pokémon needs to be Charizard

[@reyvelmarcello466]

Finally lol i found simisear was made to be a funny pokemon,but apparently everyone only wants cool pokemon

[@alessandrobellia2106]

I'm okay with funny Pokemon. But simisear (but more the water counterpart) looks just...gross.

[@dasanibutcool]

But they both ass pokemon

[@kakyiondonut6084]

Dasani The EGirl I can understand simisear, but charizard?

[@infamousplayer8772]

I'm sorry, but when the last generation already introduced a fire monkey that is not only great in competitive and amazing in design, it's gonna be hard for the newer, ABSOLUTELY INFERIOR copy to make up for it.

[@hypnovike]

Couldn't disagree more. The pace of Gen 5 was better than Gen 4, music felt more upbeat, plot for a Pokémon game was better than usual, and I liked most of the new designs introduced. I will agree that having Pokémon not evolve until level 59 is stupid and the starters for Gen 5 don't look great. Past Gen 5 I didn't find much to like about Pokémon. X & Y were boring to me and Sun/Moon felt very linear despite the theme of exploring an island. Haven't even bothered with Sword/Shield because I doubt they would offer that same feeling of exploration that Gen 1-5 had.

[@omgsus]

got back into pokemon in gen 5 and feel that same as you about the latter games

[@Someone-do6zm]

Gen 5 and 4 were stuff. I would count gen 3 but only one good game was in that gen and that was emerald.

[@walterclements2892]

sword and shield were terrible tbh

[@franciscovegamarquez7646]

@@walterclements2892 yeah, there Is none who Will say that sword AND shield are good.

[@notme-ji5uo]

but samurott looks nice

[@ungulatemanalpha]

The 'joke' of Black and White's plot is that the morality of the topics it raises are black and white, and everything else is obfuscation. Iris says it herself - 'taking people and Pokemon away from each other is bad! Hurting people and Pokemon is bad!' They exist to undercut the supposed moral dilemma presented by giving a definitive answer (because the Pokemon company controls how the Pokemon world works and they want it to work in the way that causes the least moral ambiguity and supports the core concepts of the games).

[@sebson1477]

I 100% agree. after recently replaying Black recently, i think the story would have been a lot more compelling and interesting if it left the main issue the game was centralized around more morally grey. If they left it up to the player to decide who was right or wrong (maybe via fighting Ghetsis OR Alder in the last big fight of the game depending on the players choice, idk) I think it would have made this games story deeper and more complex, however maybe a bit hard to understand for the target audience. I personally think the story we were given was okay, but there was a lot of untapped potential to really take this idea of truth or ideals over the treatment, capture, and battling of pokemon.

[@lpfan4491]

I personally think the way they handled it was fine enough. Even tho the player is a good trainer in the eyes of the story, that does not mean that everyone is a good trainer. It has kind of a "humanity is unpredictable"-message where the answer is kinda blurry. Should everyone who is a good trainer give up their pokemon to help take away the power from people who are not as nice or should they continue and try to make the world a better place by actively trying.

[@ryanstaiger1712]

I think it leaves u to wonder at the end of it, but the huge reality was that humans would be enslaved by whoever had Pokémon on their side. Ghetsis would have used N to control the whole world. So, while N’s idea was never evil, it was the corruption of others that spoiled his ideal and made him understand that his reality was folly. Bc human greed would ruin his plan of a peaceful world between humans and Pokémon without pokeballs

[@astracrits4633]

@@ryanstaiger1712 I don't want to get super political about this, but this all actually sounds really similar to the whole "gun laws" debate when you think about it...which I suppose is kind of thematically fitting given where Unova is based on. Whether you think gun restrictions are good or not is up to you, but it is interesting that they'd make a parallel like that (even if unintentionally) in a Pokemon game, especially given X and Y straight-up confirm that Pokemon were used as weapons of war.

[@ryanstaiger1712]

Fighting Thunder it definitely parallels corruption of power in human history and the way people will lie to take complete control

[@yearninganimal]

As a massive Gen 5 lover, i can still appreciate and understand your criticism. Still not as bad as Alola.

[@le1660]

Even then, alola is great. Theres not really a terrible gen. (I've never played kalos)

[@yearninganimal]

@@le1660 Alola is a cool game with some neat concepts, i just found it too hand-holdy and dialogue filled for my taste. I personally thought the Kalos games were nice, I liked a lot of the Pokémon they introduced!

[@le1660]

@@yearninganimal that's fair. Alola did hold your hand

[@cassmoney3160]

Sigilyph has the sickest design inspiration and doesn’t abuse how fucking sick the source material looks

[@PAXperMortem]

B2/W2 were the best Pokemon games at time of release, don't @ me

[@suru7064]

Facts

[@jupiter843]

This.

[@aidendavid2680]

True tho

[@charliez077]

I agree except: 1) along with HGSS 2) why do you say 'at time of release'? I think this is STILL valid.

[@Dav-zy1dw]

Still the best (In my opinion)

[@mostlysure1077]

kinda irrelevant, but General opinions I've heard: gen 1: outdated gen 2: n/a gen 3: too much water gen 4: too slow gen 5: garbage and ice cream gen 6: too easy gen 7: too much story gen 8: twice the price for half the game.

[@Pk2723]

lemme give you an opinion on gen 2: pretty good but technology held it back in the execution department. Also, the kanto part is super easy. HeartGold/SoulSilver on the other hand, probably the best games in the franchise IMO.

[@thehuman2cs715]

Lol pokemon fans really hate pokemon games don't they

[@nurgio317]

The Human 2cs well not really haye but more like we understand theyre bad and could be much better

[@thebakery3802]

Giovanny Santos I think it’s more of (up until like gen 7 and beyond anyways) everyone is so caught up in what their “perfect” Pokémon game would be that they will rip other generations apart in order to prove that x generation is the best.

[@Boricosa]

imo gen 2 would have made so much more sense if it was part of the original games. It perfectly fits in with the Kanto games, so much so that when you look at it on its own you feel like "damn, this is like looking at a cake with a slice missing"

[@propheinx2250]

Simisear looks like it's been traumatized. The expression is one of deep concern while still trying to just hold it together.

[@kurootsuki3326]

aint that a mood

[@rasta7655]

He's either stoned or on the brink of a mental breakdown

[@dasutanehineri]

my favorite little detail abt black and white is the fact that in battle, N uses pokemom that can be caught nearby, because he doesn't believe in holding pokemon captive

[@MajesticAlpha93]

A few things I would like to point out, -16:10 It's normal for Cults to use titles and that's what basically Team Plasma is, A Cult. I don't know why you're thinking too deeply about this. Sure a Cult based on a good cause but a Cult none the less. -20:49 Citing SkyeHopper's Video essay about B2W2, It does suggest that Pokeballs are problematic Especially coming from N's mouth when he returns and speaks with you. Especially in the case of Hugh's Purrlion and Colress using Kyurem as some sort of power generator to freeze over Opelucid representing the Status Quo to the extreme. In many ways, I think Gamefreak was well aware that the ending felt a bit handwavey and the sequels does add some more greyness to the narrative. It's a far more engaging criticism than "OMG GARBAGE AND ICECREAM POKEMON" and in many ways It would feel handwavey if only those games existed and not their respective sequels. I agree though about the Genies though, I much prefer their Therian forms. Sigilyph has a cool abstract appeal. Seriously! It's not like Incineroar which is has a Dumb Firebelt that's asking for people to make make sex jokes about it, Not to mention it's Bait and Switch Evolution Chain as well as it's weird face and big hands and tiny legs. Also Cobalion's my favorite Legendary!

[@christopherbrewer6972]

gen 5 was the last generation to be truly proud of it's own pokemon

[@mint8648]

no gen 6

[@mint8648]

@@SirDibble25 lol

[@real-horse]

@@mint8648 yeah, the games that gave out kanto starters right at the beginning

[@mint8648]

@@real-horse ok and

[@Qqertykxxmamka]

They're hit or miss

[@michaelballack3051]

Complains about Cloud trio's designs... Looks at Lake trio from sinnoh... yea I dont see much of a difference here.

[@princiedv]

Ah yes, yellow Mew, blue Mew and pink Mew. They're so cool. I like their alternative forms which make them more distinctive as well... Wait...

[@azekiel2114]

Boi i shit you not, all i remember about the lake trio is their names end with "xie". The name i clearly remember was Uxie and im not even sure which color that one is... i cleared gen 4 three times with all legendaries caught...

[@aguma3281]

@@azekiel2114 Only Uxie ends with xie, the other ones are Mesprit and Azelf. Only know the names though, cant even remember their color XD

[@azekiel2114]

@@aguma3281 See i didnt even know that lmao

[@Mattropolis97]

But the thing is...the lake trio look like mew, which is a Pokémon. The cloud trio look like...men on clouds...uh uh not Pokémon

[@ratking1330]

For me, Black and White was just something kinda special that I never really had from a pokemon game before. So many tracks in the game just bring me this nostalgia like no other pokemon game really did. My first game was Silver, handed down from my uncle and I very much love Silver. Though, Black just had this very odd thing to me. Everyone I knew at the time went for White just because they thought Zekrom was cool looking and what not and called me weird for liking Reshiram. It almost swayed me from getting Black over White, but I chose Black anyway just because I felt like I should of picked what I believed in. Not even knowing the story of the game beforehand, that really sent me for a loop as the whole game was about Truth vs Ideals. I replayed it about a year ago and did realized just how romanticized I had made it thinking it was this absolute master of creation. Though, I couldnt help just feel all giddy with almost everything. Nothing will ever top the feeling of sitting at my Karate sleepover with 6 of my friends in our own training mat forts all using the weird walkie talkie system as we watched a movie, suddenly bursting out into trash talk and throwing down on each other. Or how Black and White was my first competitive experience with Pokemon itself, with me reaching that peak early oras, late XY era. Black and White will always be the game I remember the most clearly, as I would get kinda upset with them saying the Pokemon would like it more being free. I even came up with the whole rationale of Police Dogs and how while they do enjoy work less than being free, they enjoy being with their masters more than anything.

[@MarioBeart]

I honestly hate the way people who grew up with a certain generation are completely unable to discuss it normally. First it was impossible to criticize Gen 4 because the internet was full of teenagers who started with DPPt when they were kids, and now it's the Unova babies' time, hence the jaw dropping dislike bar. We need to stop looking at the generation we started with like it's some holy vestiges. Btw I don't agree with him, I love Gen 5 but you people need to pull yourself together. Anyway I get your feeling about playing BW just after DPPt. It was a common sensation back then. Gen 5 grew better with time but I remember when it came out it was not well received from players who starter with the first gens.

[@dasdonut4517]

This video came out before gen 8 and it shows.

[@egg1899]

"Is this ever explained in-game?" Did you not watch a walkthrough before making this? Also I've always thought that Ghetsis' "Big reveal" was directed at N, Ghetsis is literally talking to him in the scene you showed.

[@unknownuser494]

[serious] bw is my first pokemon game I ever completed I didn't know that ghetsis will turnout to be a villain.

[@functional200]

Gen 5 was considered as a reboot by game freak and some of the new pokemon were actually counterparts for older pokemon which explains why there are pokemon like woobat, timber, and rogenrolla.

[@TaleOfTheToaster]

The Team Plasma overworld theme is a really big problem that I never noticed until you pointed it out. I always focused on the one Grunt in the Dreamyard who basically says in as many words “yeah we’re bad cos we’re gonna abuse this Munna” or whatever, but I do wish Team Plasma were put forward a bit more ambiguously in that sense. Black and White remain some of my favourite Pokémon games ever but hey ho. Oh btw, even as a 14 year old lad on Serebii, Darumaka’s origin was, like, immediately clear

[@orangestapler6892]

Yeah I have no idea how he didn’t see the design

[@maru5259]

TaleOfTheToaster look who I found, love the Inazuma videos, keep it up

[@TaleOfTheToaster]

@@maru5259 and you keep watching quality content from Fudj my guy ;)

[@maru5259]

TaleOfTheToaster hell yeah! Actually, I’ve got a question for the Inazuma let’s plays

[@TaleOfTheToaster]

Maru fire away mate

[@renobernardo5771]

I didn't love this gen at first, but these days I wish Pokemon would try to be as complex as these games again. They were so close!

[@dvillines26]

definitive design verdict on Gen V Pokemon Great Snivy, Servine, Serperior, Oshawott, Dewott, Stoutland, Excadrill, Sewaddle, Swadloon, Leavanny, Venipede, Whirlipede, Scolipede, Krokorok, Krookodile, Dwebble, Crustle, Scraggy, Scrafty, Cofagrigus, Trubbish, Garbodor, Reuniclus, Joltik, Galvantula, Litwick, Lampent, Chandelure, Accelgor, Golett, Golurk, Pawniard, Bisharp, Rufflet, Braviary, Mandibuzz, Deino, Zweilous, Hydreigon, Volcarona Good Tepig, Herdier, Zebstrika, Drilbur, Whimsicott, Lilligant, Sandile, Maractus, Archen, Archeops, Minccino, Cinccino, Solosis, Duosion, Escavalier, Foongus, Amoonguss, Frillish, Jellicent, Ferroseed, Ferrothorn, Eelektross, Haxorus, Stunfisk, Mienfoo, Mienshao, Bouffalant, Vullaby, Larvesta, Zekrom, Victini, Meloetta, Genesect Okay Pignite, Emboar, Lillipup, Blitzle, Roggenrola, Boldore, Gigalith, Woobat, Seismitoad, Throh, Sawk, Cottonee, Basculin, Darmanitan, Tirtouga, Carracosta, Swanna, Vanillite, Vanillish, Vanilluxe, Deerling, Sawsbuck, Emolga, Karrablast, Tynamo, Eelektrik, Elgyem, Beheeyem, Axew, Fraxure, Shelmet, Druddigon, Cobalion, Terrakion, Virizion, Reshiram Adequate Samurott, Patrat, Watchog, Liepard, Munna, Musharna, Pidove, Swoobat, Audino, Timburr, Conkeldurr, Tympole, Palpitoad, Petilil, Darumaka, Yamask, Zorua, Zoroark, Gothitelle, Ducklett, Cubchoo, Beartic, Cryogonal, Kyurem, Keldeo Bad Purrloin, Pansage, Simisage, Pansear, Simisear, Panpour, Simipour, Tranquill, Unfezant, Gurdurr, Sigilyph, Gothita, Gothorita, Klink, Klang, Klinklang, Thundurus, Tornadus, Landorus

[@waifubreaks1572]

I remember everyone hated these games, I thought they were good. I'm glad people have realized how good they were, unlike the unfinished shitshow that is Sword and Shield.

[@shaneoblack1672]

I guess when you get to the next generation you really get to appreciate the previous ones. I wasn't a big fan of Gen 4, after Gen 5 I went back to it and was like damn, this is pretty dope. Same thing for Gen 6 for Gen 5. But I will admit Gen 6 and up lost my interest. All the handholding really got me annoyed.

[@user-op6kt8pg9y]

I've just finished shield for the first time because I thought It never looked that good but I just got a switch so bought it and I'd say the main stand out issue for me was how the game actually treats you like a kid in the plot like everything is repeated whenever the darkest day story line happens and then they throw in eternatus out of nowhere after not hinting to that being the reason at all and then whenever something does happen with rose like when hammerlocke has the explosion or whatever it was instead of letting us go with leon and helping like we used to do in the old game like in hg/ss with the rocket hideout and lance you get taken off the gym path to help against the evil team but in sword and shield they just drag the gym run out

[@pughuky5018]

same exact thing here, these have been my favorite since they came out

[@stephenchristian5608]

And x/y and sun, moon/ultra sun, ultra moon

[@achyuththouta6957]

@@pughuky5018 You have bad taste then

[@pantherisboss94]

I disagree with almost everything you said, but the whole “man on a cloud” segment was fucking hilarious

[@languist]

I had a great time with White 1... it's personally the most "realistic" type of mainline Pokémon titles

[@MultiJudgmentdragon]

@@languistThats the problem it should not be so realistic its meant to be a magical escape from the real world ....

[@languist]

@@MultiJudgmentdragon I wish Pokemon were real XD Would be so dope to own a Vaporeon as a pet haha

[@MultiJudgmentdragon]

@@languist Id rather have a pet milotic XD

[@extremmefan7305]

"is this backstory even explained ingame" yes, but parts of it in intro (no matter how much one discards it because "well most would just skip it", a budget went into that thing so it is counted as a part of the game that can explain story points through visual telling) and postgame and other parts (namely Ghetsis taking him in) expanded by the sequels. N probably also said king instead of leader because he doesn't exactly have the most control over what they do or don't, since they're pulled away by Ghetsis (and co.) most of the time so N really just exists to hold the position. Granted he should've just stated he was high ranked in it and leave it at that but ehh technicalities plus he was kind of crowned so of course he'd use the actual term instead. By the point you get to the end of the series and you face N at the castle, I don't think you're in a position to exactly remember that "oh yea what about this totally evil looking dude", so the fact Ghetsis shows up at all is surprising because all the other villains are the only ones showing up at the end, so you expect to be done after clash of the legendaries (and… the other members of your and N's teams… I guess lol). Also N isn't the only member of Team Plasma who may still believe that Pokemon should be free. However the others are mainly nameless grunts and this is only established within the sequels, but it's kind of obvious this kind of organization would have a self-divide in the first place because so many of the grunts seem attached to their ideal instead of being complete idiots that serve as filler, again since none of them knew about Ghetsis's true intentions. A lot of BW's story flaws like that are addressed within the sequels like that as far as I know, and it is why I refer to gen 5 itself as having the best story, rather than BW alone. I'd also like to say that the endgame twist doesn't answer the question at all, because again N is left out as still having his mind set on this, and judging by the remaining genuine Plasma members in the sequel afterwards, it's more than likely he still believes in it but tries to answer it himself. So basically you're left with Ghetsis, a power-hungry villain that used a legit cause to his advantage, only for it to backfire on him because of N's and the protag's moral compasses leading the latter straight to Plasma HQ to ruin the plans (partially thanks to N's League interruption). As for the other characters telling you it's fine, I think they're just saying that to reassure themselves and their confidence, but are just so obviously as jumping the gun to an immediate conclusion that it's uncanny, which does still lead to ponder the question again in the long run, as the game didn't exactly intend to do so because Ghetsis was lying all along anyways and N who's supposed to be closer to the player in terms of pondering it, left to do exactly that afterwards and still doesn't answer it even when reappearing in the sequels. As for "is there a point of view that has all the answers? Give it some thought." I think it's supposed to hint that not even Alder's sure, even when he himself is supposed to be the wisest character we know in the entire game. It's the sole line that says that and while he himself isn't pondering it (probably because he doesn't a point to), he's probably think to have people think about it, which is likely what gave an extra push for N to do so. I would say (T)Cheren is also still wondering about it but then again you can barely tell what anyone's thinking in this game (just like irl lol). The fact you analyze it like that kinda proves that you're giving in some thought even when it originally feels like you didn't and were just weirded out by taking it literally. (I also get where you're coming from when it comes to not trusting the series with subtle storytelling, but I think gen 5's main games as a whole actively tried to do that, as it is the only time we see them go for an actually lesser straightforward plot and so it's easy to picture them trying to do one using all the ressources they can, rather than resorting to solely dialogue like previous games did) I feel like the praise aren't exagerrating by calling it "the best", but I will not disagree it's kind of because all previous games had a very low standard when it comes to it, even gen 4. It's really only the "best" in that it was the only one where it felt like they tried to actually do something with it, rather than making it second to gameplay to the point where it feels cliché (looking at you gens 1, 2, 6 and 8). Frankly the fact that it brings up any moral compass unlike the others is what makes me more attached to it than even gen 4 (the one I started with). It's a game where they actively tried to put development effort and a lot of care in trying to get a message across, even if they weren't the best at it (because again they don't exactly have much writing experience considering all the past villains have mostly been clichéd up to this point), and I think it's something to definitely at least respect, because it wasn't something we were going to get out of Pokémon any time soon, especially with the negative feedback it got from people who were afraid of the shift. It's clear it was made with a lot of heart and just lacked experience. It had the focus and will to put it in the spotlight to make something actually new and interesting, but lacked experience in that regard. You're right on the nose about the designs: they do take from the same concepts as known gen 1 ones, however it's more of a necessity to keep all the basics down pat so the focus on only the new Pokemon doesn't throw off TOO many people from a gameplay perspective. They're more contemporaries to gen 1's than they are trying to sell you off nostalgia of it. They're similar but different, similar so you can still recognize the basics of Pokemon, but different to actually make it a fresh experience which was the main point of the first games. (I will disagree strongly on the XY plot, AND the excuse that they had to 3D model all the Pokémons since it was actually not up to Game Freak there as it was handled by Creatures, because I feel there was NOTHING memorable about it but that's a topic for the XY video that I will probably never see because my disdain for XY is gigantic) I will admit Unova's map design is a bit odd and unnatural, but I think most of the memorable locations being cities kind of ties in pretty nicely with the US where outsiders only think of cities and towns when they think about it, which would also explain the unnatural shape of the routes because it feels like the way they're connected together is more artificial than natural, like it was built or arranged by the local people to make them possible to traverse in the first place, which would make sense with how it seems more generally advanced than regions like Kanto. tl;dr I feel like the reception to BW was more what shaped latter games to be such drops in quality than BW itself did. A lot of people I've seen back then were afraid of the story and pokedex shifts and trashtalked the games, both before and even after playing them because of, like you said, the execution turning them off. However these games combined all the elements necessary for a great game and were pretty much the only ones to actually do that, and I feel it would've been a much better new starting point if people weren't so aggressive about it. I understand a lot of your issues with it are mainly subjective and opinion-based, so I'm not exactly the most mad I am about it (despite how much I typed in this very comment, I'm just dedicated lol). I even agree that some of the writing could've been better no matter how much I feel this game's story at least tried to do right (which's more than I can say any other mainline Pokemon story did). But with how it did what it did, it feels like the only mainline Pokémon games I can actually go back to remember when a series I used to love went a way I thought would've been amazing for the series in the long run. And this says a lot coming from someone who usually sticks to the spinoffs at best (though I'll admit PokéPark 2 warmed up to most of gen 5's Pokemon pretty nicely so I can't speak on designs without being biased). Gen 5 to me had the best recipe for Pokémon, and its feedback being so negative solely because of execution alone, gave the developpers the wrong idea and made them go back to the annoyingly safe and bland formula that it feels like everyone loves as soon as they exclude the very obvious gen 1 pandering, and frankly knowing this is what hurted me to the point where I flatout declared to not want anything to do with modern Pokémon, and my new end goal to make sure gen 5 is remembered as being the one time Pokémon felt like it was genuinely trying to improve and put love and care into their main products. I don't agree with a lot of the opinions of it on here, but I do know and understand that they're very subjective and are more due to the overall execution being lacking (which can be explained by it being the first, and so far only, time they tried to. Seriously, lacking execution in writing or coding a specific aspect is just as much due to lack of prior experience than the transition to full 3D taking an hefty amount of time thanks to having to do so many models in the first place. If not more. So if anything XY as a whole is less excusable than subjective flaws within BW, as far as I'm concerned). tl;dr again: BW's reception shaped the downfall, otherwise BW would've been the breadcrumbs of an actual golden era (if people overlooked the admittedly faulty execution back then to praise what it tried to do back in the time… like they are now that neither Game Freak nor Nintendo seem to care anymore).

[@nurgio317]

Extremmefan holy shit this was long

[@extremmefan7305]

@@nurgio317 There's a lot to comment with such a big video tho. :p (though more importantly I'm just that dedicated)

[@N12015]

Like I've said before "I would love to love pokemon, but sadly I cannot love half-baked games" At least they're trying to do something about plot in recent games, but have even worse excecution than BW (which is not terrible, but isn't still like a normal RPG).

[@AoiFlame02]

The last bit just made me realize something I've never thought about. If BW was a success, gamefreak would've been encouraged to follow the same formula they used in BW. Man, this just made me sad Cuz, as much as I enjoy the current games...imagine if they made the same impact as BW...it would be awesome...reason why I'm so excited and scared for BW remakes. The moment they take out aspects of what made BW my favourite would be the day I'd leave Pokemon games for good. And I have so many things I liked about BW.

[@Joshua-pt8hb]

Ok say whatever but please never call black and white the last Jedi of pokemon nothing deserves to be compared to the last Jedi

[@_.Come.to.Christos]

I can’t wait for BW3 remake

[@toasteddice]

I fell asleep to this lmao

[@0ctopusComp1etely]

I respect your opinion, and actually find it kind of refreshing to see someone so willing to focus on their negative opinions for Gen 5, because I am a biased fanboy that sometimes sugarcoats those "flaws". I've spent the most time in Gen 4, but I think Gen 5 has been my overall favorite out of any of them, and it's always good for me to be pulled into addressing its weak points. I do agree that most of your gripes were subjective opinions, and are rather easily countered or hand-waved, but I also think that's okay. Not every game has to be for everyone. My overly long-winded response and opinions, in turn: I like the fact that it brings up the discussion of the morality of fighting... but let's be real, this was and is Pokemon. The answer was always going to be an unambiguous "It is good to fight" in as robotic and self-righteous a tone as possible. The plot was enjoyable for me more about seeing the characters grow rather than the actual discussion, because I already saw that it was too deep for the game. Ghestis was so obviously the ultimate evil character that I just wanted to see how long he'd last before he revealed his traitorous motives, and I wasn't disappointed with his commitment right up to the final scene. I actually liked N, if only because he's so obviously not where he should be. I liked him fighting for pokemon rights and respect, but he needed to be able to express that fight in his own terms. I wanted to see him grow to his full potential, and that kept me invested in his story. And while I may not have cared for Bianca, even her growth and path is important for showing the diversity that three kids going on an adventure can take. And CHEREN. Deer, not-quite-sweet Cheren. Easily the most compelling rival we've gotten in the series so far, even through his position as the final fight prior to the Elite Four. I love the aesthetics for the game. I loved the visual style with the pixel work and art. The colors used in the leafy areas, the saturated shades used for the pokemon. I love it. And while I know it's not such a big deal now, I always get a huge smile on my face the first time a bridge spins around and zooms out when you go up them in this game. It was the first time Pokemon really got cinematic and experimental with its camera work. The games just hadn't done that before, and it blew me away all those years ago. And you can't tell me there are some bangers in this game. N's (final) theme? The Legendary theme? The freaking Elite Four theme that drops harder than some generation soundtracks combined? Exquisite. Also, I still listen to Undella Town (non-summer) sometimes. It gives me emotions that can be hard to express. At the ultimate point, I think the reason I liked this generation so much was because of the Pokemon. Yes, there are stinkers. There always are. But so many good ones, too! I liked Musharna, weird baby/anteater-dreameater thing that it was. I actually DO prefer Gigalith over Golem (though not by much). Hydreigon? Yes, please. Pretty much all of the non-evolving Pokemon? Some of the coolest of their class, even if they might not be the best. And don't get me started on Chandelure and Volcarona. Stealth Rock may have been a little OP this generation, but using these fire-types was still hype. I can forgive the generation that gave us Sigilyth since it also gave me some consistent favorites. I don't even mind the garbage or gears or ice-cream ones. They do their job fine, even if they look silly. We've had just as weird before and since. Also Litwick is tied for Spheal as the cutest Pokemon fight me. The end result is I had fast, clean fun with Gen 5. It shook things up, and while it missed a few steps, I just help but think the things it did right far outweight what it did wrong.

[@brenoalexandre7726]

Judging by the title I tought this video was a gen 5 praise LMAO

[@ellisddomenicus2231]

I loved black and white, everything about it 😔🙏🔥

[@taeslilclown9801]

people attack gen 5’s Pokémon designs but praise gen 2’s starter designs...

[@trevorswims5754]

Does anyone actually like pokemon B/W for not just the story, but the DESIGNS as well? Idk about you, but I actually like the majority of the pokemon introduced in this generation because some of them (including the underrated ones) actually look really cool and I'm tired of acting like they're not.

[@obeserob5027]

15:26 there's a whole section in the endgame where you find out N's story. N was raised by wild pokemon but when ghetsis realized he could use N he locked N in a room making him go a tad insane hence his melodrama and the king stuff. A lot of this is actually optional and is even then mostly up to interpretation until part 2

[@lilithtetterton5014]

I still cant get over the fact that they didnt keep doing what they did in Heartgold and Soulsilver and let your pokemon walk with you. I know its a silly thing to care about but it felt like it added so much personality to your team and you built a bond with these digital critters. They shoulda kept doing it and it shouldve become a staple of the series. Itd help with merchandising, and since in the newer games all the pokemon battles are rendered in 3d using the same assets would make it fairly easy for a multimillion dollar corporation to do. Idk its a win win for everybody and it just seems silly they havent repeated it since in a mainline game.

[@donaldjgumpofficial5754]

I love gen 5 but that was a missed opportunity. If you're going to remove every old pokemon from the main story, let us walk with our pokemon to gain more of an attachment to them(doesn't apply to me as B/W were my first games but for veterans).

[@spider-mancantsee5875]

Donald J Gump Official exactly that’s one issue I have with this game and I love these games so much

[@Oodelally]

Pretty sure this wasn’t possible due to hgss and bw being developed at the same time

[@lilithtetterton5014]

@@Oodelally i dont mean black and white specifically I just mean any game after those remakes, at least a couple of em should have had the mechanic

[@conic2721]

Let's GO did it pretty well, Sword go home.

[@sunnydeechi]

Gen 5 stans are just current day Gen Oners

[@ProjectDelta1]

I'm coming back to Pokémon. I finished Shield, played Pokemon X, Ultra moon. Before that I played Gen 1-3. I'm playing Pokémon Black right now and I feel super overwhelmed but not in a good way. I collected 4 badges so far, and I'm heading towards Driftveil City. I hear the fan base adore Black and White as well as Diamond and Pearl so I'm gonna keep playing.

[@YataNr1]

Play Platinum if you want to play a good Gen 4 game. Diamond and Pearl's are very very slow today, I say that as a person who grew up with these games and replayed them. But HM is overused in this game.

[@oyeh8908]

How does Black feel overwhelming to you?

[@tinywomanhours]

So he said he had complicated feelings on BW... His feelings aren't complicated they're almost all entirely negative.

[@kawaiidere1023]

Seriously not understanding DARUMAKA is a DARUMAKA doll. Not everything has to be familiar to you to be a good or general concept. Haxorus is based on a classic Kaiju monster. Like 90% of the gen 5 dex are references to slightly obscure, but still recognizable

[@kurootsuki3326]

the confusing thing abt this is literally 20 seconds prior he said 'its an exception if they're from another culture' and doesn't realise its a darumaka doll, and continues to judge once he realises lmao. e.g. gothitelle has clear lolita references, but ofc he wouldnt see that..

[@jaxthomas3202]

I personally really like the twist at the end with Ghetsis. I think part of the intrigue of the story was the subtle difference between the two parts of Team Plasma, which were highlighted in the sequels. There is the group that was loyal to N and genuinely believes what they are doing is for the good of the world. And then there is those that side with Ghetsis , who use their moral platform to disguise their immoral acts.

[@NrStormy]

The reason why N is the "king of team plasma" is because they are a team that is attempting to liberate pokemon, the equivalent of that world to weapons, putting a world in an older time, a MEDIEVAL time. The reason why a Monarchy is used in the team is because most of team plasma does in fact feel that desire to liberate pokemon, not just steal them away for power (hence why in Black and White 2 the old team plasma is still wearing their medieval clothes while Neo-Plasma is using regular thief like clothes) and by having a King to rule them, then there would be less conflict than if there was no king to begin with. By having N be the king Ghetsis could also rule by being the king's "advisor" while actually manipulating him in order to mantain power over the region without being attacked directly. N is a likable guy who'se role is to confuse you by being the one guy who actually makes you wonder about the situation presented by team plasma and by being a truly decent rival that you connect with (he does not share your opinion but he is respectful of it and was sadly just being used by a greedy man that wanted world domination). After the realization that he was being manipulated N disappears in a personal journey to understand if what he believes is in fact good or not.

[@blueriverbane69]

Gen 5 was the first game I didnt play because I only liked 5-6 designs. Gen 6 was a relief, and the last time we got an eeveelution 😔

[@jgr2637]

I did the same with gen 4, I remember being excited to go on holiday so I could keep going to an internet cafe and google the pokemon from the cards I had to see how to get them in the game

[@squidman3484]

It just baffles me how you can dislike this game but enjoy gen 6 so much

[@puckqure1192]

Get out we all love Gen 6 but yeah I just like the funny monkeys dancing in battle

[@pedromonteiro2248]

Because Gen 6 games are the best Pokémon experience overall! Gen 5 games tried to do an unecessary reboot on the franchise and looks a cheap copy of the core Pokémon games....

[@pedromonteiro2248]

@Explosion100 BW2 até better than BW but not enough to be considered good! XY has BY FAR the best online system making you spend many more hours of gameplay with interaction with worldwide players. XY gave us the BEST FEATURE in more the 100 Pokémon games named Mega Evolution! All the concept of the megas are amazing and the idea of your Pokémon evolve even further to get its maximum battle potential is incredible! I see all the Pokémon community begging to megas come back and to GF create new megas for the unfortunate Pokémon that doesn’t have one. XY brought the series to 3D and every Pokémon was remodeled making Pokémon looks absolutely gorgeous! XY brought many other features that are effectively used (different of pokestars studios that nobody gave a shit) like Poke Amie, Super training, Inverse Battles, Trainer customizations and they improve a lot the odds for Shiny Hunting making this type of gameplay more tangible for the first times in the série. The Metagame in Gen 6 was the best one and most balanced one with the introduction of the Fairy type and along the Megas. Those innovations made the competitive scenario all new again and many player started to play it thanks to gen 6 games. XY definitely is the best overall Pokémon gaming experience! About the Kanto thing you said, I disagree! Kanto influences every generation after it! It is the most important and more love generation of all! Unova tried to ripp off Kanto being a lazy copy of it and fail miserably being hated in their released times and being the most controversial Gen until now....

[@aes2621]

@@pedromonteiro2248 XY animations lack any life and personality, compared to the animated sprites. Also what do you mean with the meta game being balanced? No Pokémon game has a really great balanced meta, Gen 6 especially. Do u remember Mega Kangeskhan? Gen 5 brought the game to a more grown experience/Kanto inspired game. GF kept in mind how the kids of Gen 1 were all pretty much adults now, so that’s why the game has such themes. If you compare Gen 5-6 on their Kanto bait, 6 is way worse (do I even need to mention Charizard) 5 gave a breath of fresh air compared to the other games that had heavy hands of Kanto shoved in. We won’t agree on this, this issue is pretty black and white (🥁) But I bet we can agree that, at least, Gen 7 is the worst

[@pedromonteiro2248]

@@aes2621 XY animations are gorgeous for its time and they still being used even today in most Pokémon games (ORAS, SM, USUM, SWSH, Pokémon GO, Pokémon Master all uses XY models). Can you still say they are lifeless? They created a new standard to Pokémon models. XY models will be used even in Pokémon Legends by what we have been seen in the trailers. To tell the truth, Gen 5 sprites are the real fail! Too many Pokémon sprites from Gen 5 are recycled from Gen 4! They are bunch of broken pixel that explodes in every frame that the Pokémon have. The back of Pokémon sprites are just awfully done wit about 80% of them being a so trash that Is difficult to recognize the Pokémon over there. It hurts the eyes! Gen 6 meta was the best to the competitive! It put the biggest number of Pokémon in OU category. Megas and Fairy type put many forgotten Pokémon in the spotlight again. Charizard, Venusaur, Lucario, Mawile, Magnetric, Aerodactyl, Gardevoir, Clefable and many other could be in the top percentage usage of Pokémon battling scenario after being put aside for some generations. Megas was a revolution in the Metagame being responsible for the boom of players in the competitive! Gen 5 was a stepback in the franchise! I remember the blackish that Unova suffered in BW released time with many players dropping the series after the ripp off Dex! For the first time Pokémon suffered a blackish of the fans and many of them quit after the trash showed in Unova. It doesn’t surprise me that BW are the WORST SELLING games from the games core series which started a generation. To make bigger the fail, they are the worst selling in the biggest base console of all! There were more than 120 millions NDS in the market when BW was released and even that BW got the last place in sales of Pokémon games. I don’t see Gen 6 doing a Kanto bait like Gen 5! Gen 5 tried to copy Kanto withou any shame! Gen 6 emphasizes every Pokémon of every generation and bring backs to the mainstream old Pokémon with the Mega evolution! In Kalos you can caught over 450 Pokémon of all old regions before you face E4! It is the opposite of Gen 5 that made you stuck with that disgusting Pokémon from Unova(🤢). Charizard is for the longtime the most popular starter Pokémon. It just have one more form than it’s kanto partners! Charizard’s haters got mad because of that but they are just jealous because the fiery dragon outshines their favorite Pokémon in every aspect. Charizard it is one of the most important Pokémon to the franchise since day 1! GF recognize its appeal and put it in front of things because people worldwide automatically links Charizard image to the Pokémon franchise! It’s awesomeness, design and history made it get the treatment they deserve. The problem of Unova is try to be Kanto, and everybody knows that Kanto is irreplaceable! And to finish: Gen 7 >>>>>>> Gen 5.

[@dekuskrub2154]

How are you gonna roast the genies when previous designs were just "colored birds", "colored dogs", "colored fairies", "guy with four arms", etc

[@tapirdebain]

At least the dogs and the fairies act as plot devices somehow. Tornadus, Thundurus and Landorus have little to no incidence on the story. They're just... There. You might even miss them if you don't feel like going back to route 7. Granted, the Birds are pretty useless too. Regarding their design, they're based on Asura statues and some kamis, which is a pretty japanese thing that doesn't make much sense if you don't know about it. The Legendary Musketeers' theme is much easier to grasp.

[@BeeBwakka]

DeKu Skrub the problem is that all 3 have more or less the same design in their Incarnate form. Over time I’ve warned up to them a little more, I do like the more subtle differences and their Therian form designs, but the absolute sameness of them was totally jarring and unexciting when I first saw them, especially for legendaries. I also think it’s fair to let Gen I off the hook a little bit because it was the first one after all, much before Pokemon has a solidified identity and design direction. Some of those were designed as pixel art before they were ever drawn out by Sugimori so it’s not exactly a fair comparison.

[@wing7320]

Tapir DeBain It felt a lot more stupid if you actually knew what they were supposed to be. It’s the first mainline Pokémon game not set in a Japan based place and they go with the fucking wind and thunder gods.

[@backup9697]

I'll say what I said in another comment. Yes, the inspiration for the designs of Gen I are bland, but the designs work because they look like classic designs and still look good. The problem with Gen V is, yes, there is lore behind the Pokemon, but design wise most of them look unappealing. That's not to say I don't like the designs, but a majority of people don't like the designs, and if a majority of people don't like them, then the general consensus will be that most of the designs don't look good.

[@backup9697]

Saying me point is "retarded" doesn't make your point any better or mine any worse. That's a worthless word to be used in this situation. If you dont like that most people still like the Gen I designs because of the classic appeal, that's a you problem. Just because you think Gen V designs are better, doesn't mean others do. Sorry, but from what I've seen, it's a fact more people like Gen I designs more than Gen V designs.

[@boredlazymax]

Bro, Gen 5 Soundtrack is amazingly great.

[@whiskeysour1179]

Replaying Gen 1 and 2, the games do have story. But the story isn't just the rocket plotline or the championship, it's about going out into the world for the first time, making your own decisions and solving new problems while discovering new places and meeting quirky, fun people. I fell for the chosen one stuff in RSE and I still love those games, but even they kind of left it to the side a lot of the time. I never really understood complaints that pokémon had bad story. At least gens 1 and 2 don't, and I think 3-5 could go either way. But even going from 3-5, the text boxes got longer, the drama got bigger, the handholding got tighter... And people (journalists at least) liked it. I didn't realize people just wanted to have a story told at them, I thought it was obvious we were making our own story. Because it's a video game, not a manga or a TV show. When I was a kid saying I wanted more story, I meant I wanted longer games with more monster of the week side quests or adventures with side characters.

[@ImSoViciouz]

Black and white 2 is the best Pokémon game. Followed by emerald and HG/SS

[@lantizeldaappeared5993]

black 1 and white 2 ?

[@WisdomAkpan211]

@@lantizeldaappeared5993 No. He meant black 2 white 2

[@TitaniusCornwood]

One of the problems with Black & White is that the early game is loaded with repeated Pokémon at the beginning. It feels like you face the same mons, i.e. Patrat, Lillipup, Monkey Trio, Pidove, Purrloin etc over and over again. You may say that gen 1 did this, but I felt that gen 1 threw in some variety, such as Brock with Onix and Geodude and Misty with Staryu and Starmie versus the restaurant trio with Lillipup and a Monkey and then Lenora with Herdier and Watchog. And then, you Viridian forest and Mt. Moon to add different mons to add to the common mons of Pidgey and Rattata along with the different mon in route 22. You don't really get other mons until Pinwheel forest, and it feels like a slow trickle at best. The game developers really shouldn't have held a lot of Pokémon with high levels. I guess they felt that keeping people engaged for a postgame after a generation that had Platinum (the ultimate Pokémon game) and the gen II remakes that have a second region. The game is arguably paced the best even with the tedium of facing the same mons the early game. Though, that's mainly because it has to stick to a script. The later games fall into this pacing too (haven't played B2W2 + Ultra Sun/Moon), but they have sections that feel long and short throughout.

[@gurleen7041]

the thing that made these games so memorable for me was the world, story and characters. all the characters felt like they had a personality and the story just felt so memorable especially in the end when all the gym leaders come to help with the castle coming out of the ground and no game has come close to it. it always makes me so confused when people say the story was “too much” because this is the kind of story I WANT. it was mature and actually had a theme rather than “bad guy wants to blow up world somehow”

[@nathanwalker6284]

Lol these games have poorly explored themes and a poorly written narrative Gens 3!4 and 7 all have better thematic exploration

[@knowvoid9958]

Black and white is for more edgier players. Philosophy and some of the best music.