Noir Alley: The Big Sleep (1946) intro 20200105

Noir Alley: The Big Sleep (1946) intro by Eddie Muller shown on Jan 5, 2020
From TCM's Noir Alley (Saturdays at Midnight ET and Sunday 10am ET) hosted by the Czar of Noir, Eddie Muller.

[@TalkernateHistory]

I'm glad I wasn`t the only one very confused by this movie's plot

[@ericw3229]

That' s because they sanitized the plot for film. There are two excellent radio dramas available on KZbin that are faithful versions of the book. If a film was made from either one it would be a hit

[@Laceykat66]

You watch this film you don't try to figure it out.

[@thegoodhood]

This is film noir! Murder, mystery, detectives, femme fatale. Humphrey Bogart is phenomenal as Phillip Marlowe. Always looking forward to seeing these on your channel!

[@NoirFan77]

Cool! Of course they're originally available on TCM.

[@thegoodhood]

@@NoirFan77 You put them here online, I don't have access to TCM in my home country. Thank you for your work!

[@EasternRomeOrthodoxy]

That is correct, cuz there's no such thing as a definitive "film noir", because there is no such thing as "film noir"!!!)) The term was invented by the lame French who boxed the dark thrillers of the 40s and early 50s under that name. The Big Sleep therefore is one of the perfect example of those type of films, only like every great director, Hawks gave it HIS unique touch which includes his comedy, that's all. There is no such thing as film noir, and boxing those films like that only limits the stories and characters in predictable cliches. You need to look at them as dark moody urban crime and dramas

[@matthough3590]

Honestly, when I want to watch THE BIG SLEEP, I go to my Blu-ray and choose the 1945 pre-release version. Once I saw it, I never wanted to see the "official" version again.

[@NoirFan77]

You're bucking the trend, but good for you!

[@noircito68]

I I don't think I could live without the extra scenes Selznick and Betty's agent got for Bacall

[@jerrywood4508]

My favorite movie. Until I read someone pointing out that the plot doesn't hang together, I never even noticed.

[@erebus79]

you're probably not very bright

[@ericw3229]

A shame no one has produced an accurate film version of this story.

[@bennyshambles]

Dick Powell is my favorite Marlowe from the classic period, Chandler’s opinion be damned.

[@EdwardWLynn]

Out of the Past is the definitive film noir.

[@elijahrose2144]

Testament real talent😊

[@raymondlang]

I preferred Murder My Sweet over the over complicated The Big Sleep. Kiss Me Deadly is up there with the very best.

[@rocistone6570]

Leigh Brackett!!!!!! Hip HIP HOORAY!!!!

[@rocistone6570]

To Have and Have Not came about as the result of a bet between Hemmingway and Howard Hawks who bet Papa the He [Hawks] could make a movie out of Hemmingway's worst book. Hawks thought that was To Have and Have Not. (Lucky bet for all the rest of us, wasn't it, Folks??)

[@danwroy]

His apathy towards Hawks is one of Muller's bigger vices. Hawks is amazing and the film is amazing, though I agree it's more comedy than noir.

[@iancrossley6637]

I've seen it a couple of times and still don't know what's going on.

[@NoirFan77]

The complicated plot .. including holes .. is notoriously difficult to follow. Even Raymond Chandler couldn't answer a question about it when asked during production.

[@ericw3229]

Because key plot elements are left out. One huge plot hole is the disappearance on Sean Regan. Matter of fact in the Novel his name was Rusty . Never explained what happened to him and how it tied to Carmen

[@moonriverdiver]

the 'lame French' also much quicker to notice that Hitchock not merely 'entertaining'.

[@bobwerner6967]

The Big Sleep isn't that complicated if you always keep in mind the entire story revolves around Carmen Sternwood and her murder of Rusty (Sean in the movie) Regan and the resulting coverup engineered by her sister Vivian, with the assistance of the very sleazy Eddie Mars. While the movie doesn't do that, the novel does. The novel is liberally sprinkled with red herrings in the form of sleazy and shady characters to keep the reader off the trail. Marlow eventually figures this out, hence he loads the gun with blanks when he takes little Carmen to the abandoned oil rig for some "educational" target practice. (Btw, the chauffeur, Owen Taylor, most likely committed suicide as he was despondent over the failed romance with Carmen. The bonk on the head from Joe Brodie certainly added to his mental state, too.)

[@patokev3691]

Exactly right about this film being a self-contained fantasy. All these young, attractive 20 year old women fawning over 46 year old Bogart is laughable. I love the movie but it is a bit ridiculous.

[@NoirFan77]

Except Bacall was 20 and Bogart 45 when they were hitched. So it can't be a complete fantasy, right? At least for movie stars, anyway ;->

[@patokev3691]

@@NoirFan77 haha fair point, mate!

[@NoirFan77]

@@patokev3691 Thanks for keeping my fantasy alive! Ha-hah!

[@patokev3691]

@@NoirFan77 haha I totally feel ya!

[@randywhite3947]

Laughable Bogart was the biggest movie star at that time

[@EasternRomeOrthodoxy]

Wrong. There's no such thing as a definitive "film noir", because there is no such thing as "film noir"!!!)) The term was invented by the lame French who boxed the dark thrillers of the 40s and early 50s under that name. The Big Sleep therefore is one of the perfect example of those type of films, only like every great director, Hawks gave it HIS unique touch which includes his comedy, that's all. There is no such thing as film noir, and boxing those films like that only limits the stories and characters in predictable cliches. You need to look at them as dark moody urban crime and dramas

[@moonriverdiver]

The 'lame' French? What equipped them to identify the emerging noir genre (it exists) across the Atlantic was that unlike the US 'it had a thriving film culture (cine clubs, journals) that treated movies as (potentially) art rather just commercial entertainment. Similarly they were quicker to identify Hitchcock as a major artist.

[@EasternRomeOrthodoxy]

@@moonriverdiver Excuse me?? There is nothing more pretentious and BORING than a French film wtf😅These French bs films had no star system and cool actresses and actors like in the golden age, and even the ones that came to Hollywood were boring as f***, and as far as Hitchcock goes: 1. Hitchcock himself saw his films as merely high quality entertainment and not in a pretentious way like an "author" and all that bs, and only used the French because they liked him lol 2. The French's taste in movies is so awful that they chose Hitch, Ford etc. and all those cliches as number ones, where there are so many other directors way better than they are that they never talked about. Have those nerds ever talked about Dmytryk, Siodmak, Mamoulian, Hawks, and others? - NO, because they don't even know much about films as they pretend to lol No, unlike those nerdy film students and the pagan French who worship art instead of God, I tell it like it is: French culture is the most pathetic pretentious, and boring thing in this world😴😴😴

[@ambskater97]

I ain’t reading all that. Stop being white.

[@nedludd7622]

Lame French bashing.