10 REASONS TO BUY CITROEN EC3 | WHY YOU CAN'T COMPARE IT WITH TATA TIAGO EV AND TIGOR EV

About this vlog :- Initial thoughts when we first drove the car was that it has too many differences good and bad to be compared with the eve in the market so here's our take on it .....Watch the full video to know more.
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[@duopedallers7381]

Bought ec3 on 28th April. Till now its really a amazing car. Im enjoying a lot 🎉

[@burningions]

Any review in your end

[@duopedallers7381]

@@burningionsPros: very comfortable, ultimate suspension, great range( 260km+ with ac) Cons: only 1 cons related with DC fast chargers. Charging time is a bit higher compared with tata's car & the fast charger automatically gets disconnected multiple times because of the natural cooling system, whereas tata provides liquid cooling

[@burningions]

@@duopedallers7381 thanks! Nexon Ev Prime will be better for that matter?

[@hiran2016]

@@burningions No Nexon EVs battery is three generations old and mostly it wont last long as Citroen's. Nexons battery will go weaker faster with charge and discharge cycles.

[@nagki]

@@hiran2016 I have Verito which uses at least 2 generations older LFP, so far ppl still running with 1-2 degraded cell modules after 10 years, but once active balancer were installed that problem also has reduced. I currently own Nexon as well, I don’t have any favourism here, kindly explain what exact changes after 3 generations make Citroen batteries superior? Just saying 3 generations old is not enough. User is clearly seeing longer charge times and multiple disconnects during charging and you seem to be talking about a fictions 3rd gen battery. It is also about cell balancing and charging algorithms, and cell temperature management that contribute to longer pack life as proven by Tesla. Cell chemistry has largely been same but density and form factor have been changing as seen in BYD blade cells. So, which factor according to you is helping perform the cells better? Also, how are you saying Citroen cells will last longer compared to Tatas? Do you have any evidence or theories?

[@MaheshKumar-vl6co]

Happy to have purchased this car. Amazing driving experience every time I drive. Unless you drive you don't know about it

[@rohitdeshmukh6216]

Amazing car bought it 1 week back, not a single time regret. It drives like a luxury car. When we go behind the wheels we don’t even care about manual orvms or old looking door handle. It is just a hype

[@sociallity13]

Problem is naturally cooled battery packs. Not suitable for indian hot summer.

[@saptarsiroy8723]

I am driving ec3 for last...3 months...mujhe aisa kuch nehi laga. 42..44 degree tem may vi koi issue nehi hay. Aapne purchase kiya hay kya...ya aise hi bata rahe...with google knowldge.

[@udaysachdeva]

@@saptarsiroy8723 which city

[@hiran2016]

Do you have an iota of idea about water or directly cooled batteries...? Do you know that one of the largest selling EV in India is BYD and they have the most advanced batteries. For your information it comes with air cooling., Only old generation batteries need active cooling such as Tata''s..

[@nagki]

@@hiran2016 wow what audacity?? Which BYD is coming with air cooling? Also, please go back to drawing boards and check facts, largest selling EVs are from Tata not BYD, in India. Stop flaming users with your half baked knowledge

[@femur2000]

A lot has been said about liquid cooling and the lack of it. Won’t it prudent to talk to owners rather than make speculations about the quality, longevity, speed of charging etc. I’ve seen it in many threads, where two people get into a near argument about technical specifications and neither one has owned or experienced the car.

[@pankajmahale3106]

sir muzhe taxi purpose ev car lena he to konsa car bater rahega 250 ka per day he sir to please reply dijiyega

[@vikramramprasad530]

Waiting for your range and DC fast charging tests

[@nagki]

Lack of active cooling is the biggest negative of the car, you will figure this straightaway when trying to charge it in mid day in hot summers. Also, not having active temperature control affects the pattern in which battery ages and affects the overall pack usability. You will see its effect post 10 years may be. But lack of active cooling is why this car should be avoided, despite of many positives.

[@evchargingstation8494]

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[@hiran2016]

Tata's batteries (chemistry of cells) are atleast three generations older and hence it needs active cooling both at the time of charging and discharging. New generation batteries doesnt require water/active cooling as in Citroens and BYDs. You will see the effect in tatas within 7-8 years as it doesnt withstand a larger depth of discharge nor more number of cycle discharge cycles. When you have no understanding about batteries nor EV, such misleading comments can be avoided..please..

[@nagki]

@@hiran2016 Dude, don't draw and throw theories out of thin air. Tesla which uses active cooling is not latest for you? Just because it is Tata it is 3 generations older? It is known that LFP cells(used by both Tata and Citroen) doesn't need that much active thermal management in cold countries (other than keeping them warm). But in India Ambient temperature varies from 0-50 degrees, not doing active thermal management will lead to improper degradation of cells. Also, Svolt which is supplier of cells to Citroen has proprietary tech for normal air cooling, but those dragon air cells aren't in eC3. You are saying Tata cells will have more degradation, they can't have more DoD and charge/discharge cycles? Tata uses LFP cells too, Citroen uses some other chemistry? How does it allow better DoD and More charge/discharge cycles? Also, when you say BYD cells don't require thermal management, why does Atto 3 use cooling?(may not be as eloborate as Tesla or Tata, but the cooling exists). Verito uses 15 year old tech used Cooled Air to keep the battery pack temps in control. If you say that Cells used by Tata supplied by Gotion Tech is old tech which is more reputed player than Svolt(supplier for Citroen) and is using superior cells that doesn't require active thermal management, why did users face DC fast charge issue? Also, the power draw in eC3 is largely controlled which kind of keeps the battery cooler, which is clever, but how do you control ambient temperatures? Which technology in cells are you saying is helping eC3 to survive ambient 45 degrees DCFC? Tesla and BYD both did independent research to figure the fact that it is the thermal charecteristics that degrade Lithium batteries, NMC is more sensitive while LFP has much wider operating temperature range. Its because of this they focus everything from charging curve to cell temperatures to enhance the life of the batteries. Tata need not have done eloborate active cooling, but they still went ahead and did it. For a moment if degradation after 7 years is to be ignored(I disagree with your claim because it is baseless anyways), you will not be able to DCFC eC3 in hot areas during the day while Nexon did achieve a Guinness record driving non stop from Kashmir to Kanyakumari in the shortest time. Can you clarify your factless and baseless statements? Then only I can agree. Your words are on a public forum, you seem to be more casual than any of my comments. When two users have clearly stated the fast charging limitations of eC3, I don't see how my comment is misleading. I don't want to pay 13L to experiment.

[@nagki]

@@hiran2016 Here is the statement from BYD Atto 3 manual. "Intelligent Thermal Management System Direct Cooling and Direct Heating System has significantly increased cooling efficiency by up to 20% while reducing power loss. Further enhanced by Heat Pump System, it can operate in a wider temperature range of -30 to 60 °C, durable in all weather conditions" In what way this looks like passive air cooling to you?

[@viharkattungal9635]

Hello. Informative video. In another KZbin customer talked about heating issue of the battery in the car when charging it, especially during summer times. Any further details about it will be helpful. Thanks

[@dnuworld77]

Thanks sir iske dono varient ka compare video bana dijiye taki value for money version pata lage.

[@femur2000]

Hi. I own a Citroen eC3. It does not support 7.2 KW AC “fast” charging. It will charge at 3.4 KWs AC only and this is limited by the car. Everything else you said about this car is true. Great ride quality and handling. Haven’t faced any issues with DC fast charging.

[@NoiseFaktory]

Hey thanks for the correct info

[@ankitpatel-mp9kb]

Cost cutting on liquid cooling system Indian extremely hot summer condition....not digestible

[@nagki]

Not digestable and just doesn't make sense to buy it also. Tiago has Cruise Control and multimode regen both are highly useful features and liquid cooled battery pack again a big differentiator for DC Fast Charging.

[@curry4749]

@@nagki Whats the point of having liquid cooling to manage heat during fast charging when Tata clearly states that the car cannot be charged multiple times due to the lack of prismatic cells? I agree on the "managing heat with liquid cooling" which is important in Indian weather conditions however they should have provided fast charging capability.

[@nagki]

@@curry4749 Tata recommends one slow charging after 3 fast charges so that cell balancing can happen, it’s not due to the type of battery. An imbalanced pack can lead to issues later since the charging is done at pack level.

[@rahulsingh-en3hv]

Make a video on Reasons Why you should not EC3 and better options petrol/CNG/ Diesel car with model in every scenarios

[@hbkkid007]

The secret of European cars is the unique software. When you press accelerator it will give you a smooth pick up. The moment you release the accelerator the car is going to be in control. Because of pedal confusion when driving the car will still take time to build up speed. This unique feature is most in all the European cars

[@nagki]

Illusion is that tech is European, looks like BYD is incharge of drivetrain here. But rest of the appreciation is valid though.

[@SurendranNambiath]

No Rear Wiper & Defogger?

[@wannabe_D7000]

Upgrade? As in software update or new nexon prime ev upgrade ?

[@krishnachandramenon8]

Ec3 shine varient will be good, as current varients lags many small features auto ac, auto dimming IRVM, auto ORVM etc

[@prithwishtraveldiary6229]

Please help me with that long extension purchase link so that I can buy .

[@sujeetkumarkc2656]

For the third day i am happy with the car, home chaging with the charger i get with vehile is very slow, is there any other option to make it charge fast at home using home electricity

[@NoiseFaktory]

You can buy a fast ac charger the provided charger charges at 3 kwh you can get 7 kwh charger which will reduce the time by 50%

[@femur2000]

Sorry, the car will charge only at 3.4 KW. It will not charge faster with a 7.2 KW charger

[@sujeetkumarkc2656]

Brother i am seeing battery signal , can you pls help me with this 1:31 1:32

[@femur2000]

I don’t understand your query?

[@maulikparekh6645]

Awesome .. Does it have LFP battery ? Does it make difference that it is air cooled !! How do we judge quality of battery ?

[@NoiseFaktory]

Yes it's lfp ... not experienced it yet but air cooling is slower than liquid cooling

[@sksingh1052]

Yes air cooled battery pack is ok for two wheelers But not recommended at all in 4 wheelers in Indian conditions it will be okay in European condition where temperature remain cold

[@rolandsequeira]

@@sksingh1052 true, even liquid cooling may not suffice for Indian hot conditions.

[@hiran2016]

You said it. the cell chemistry is LFP, more than that its configured as a Blade..Its called LFP balde battery which makes all the difference. It doesnt need any water for cooling. Its the highest quality battery available in the whole world till sodium based batteries are productionised.

[@nagki]

@@hiran2016 Where did you get this info that it is a blade battery, is it using Svolt L6? I don't see it anywhere mentioned. Did you happen to get access to the battery pack? Agree that blade cells have large metal surface area, but Atto 3 and other BYD cars do use single surface heat extraction even from blade cells. I don't see how and why you are saying blade cells don't need any thermal management. What happens when the ambient is very cold OR when ambient is very hot like AP or Delhi/Northern regions? whats the use of employing heatpump for battery thermal management in Atto 3 then? Just because Citroen got away with it doesn't make it right for India, if DCFC can't be done in the afternoon. We are not new to LFP cells not being thermally managed (we had E20 15 years before, just used HVAC air cooling), agreed that Citroen and Svolt might have done numerous tests, what if they knowingly compromised the "unable to DCFC in hot condition" limitation?

[@burningions]

What about IP rating of the battery, about water log maneuver

[@NoiseFaktory]

Ip67

[@burningions]

So it's air conditioning cooled like e verito? Or something else . I mean battery cooling

[@PraveenKumar-vj7xv]

What about its ratings of recent crash test (ncap)?

[@NoiseFaktory]

No ncap ratings for Indian make car but internationally it scored zero

[@vikramjoshi9892]

Pune to solapur.... Pune to ganpatipule.

[@uneshkumar3396]

Bhut se youtubers iss car ki burai karne mein Lage rhte hai lekin ye car bhut shandaar hai chalne mein aur range mein bhi

[@femur2000]

I totally agree.

[@vikramjoshi9892]

It support 3.3 kw ,not 🚫 7kw

[@theelectricmile474]

Although EVs are easy to recommend for city use...This one is a doa. Limited network, expensive for less features, air cooled battery not suitable, plus Citroen has specific terms n conditions for battery warranty, good luck with that. Calculator screen on the instrument cluster.

[@DrDre-sy2kv]

Bada confusion hai mujhe. Tiago EV ya ec3 . . .

[@ars411]

Only one reason not to buy is long term life of the brand. Owner of three Chevrolet cars😢😢

[@user-qd2jc4gm2i]

best of luck

[@vino_2190]

Can any one say real Range for this car

[@NoiseFaktory]

220 to 250 in regular usage

[@preethamkumardh1115]

Pune to Chennai

[@Vicky.547]

Brother this is different segment car comparatively C3 price 12 above and Tiago starting 8.50 so this is very different segment.

[@NoiseFaktory]

True still many people are comparing it with Tiago which is not fair

[@nagki]

@@NoiseFaktory When a car below segment is having more features, it is understood why the comparision is made. I would like to ask why not? Why can't we compare? Drive and Ride quality and space are all good in eC3, but the core is compromised. If not that one negative then I would have bought it by now.

[@karthikcs6373]

Air cooled batteries are worst…

[@NoiseFaktory]

On our trip to Hyderabad we didn’t face any issue with the batteries been air cooled. Detailed video coming next week

[@nagki]

@@NoiseFaktory Watched your video of the trip, you did face the issue of charging shutting down due to battery temperature, I am sure Citroen did similar testing and said its fine. To be very honest they should have paid attention to Indian ambient temperatures, not everyone has the luxury to fast charge and drive only in the night.

[@ranjeetbadhe]

Service network is bad. Don’t buy, this company can leave india anytime like ford ,avoid

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