NON WOOTING KEYBOARDS ARE A WASTE OF TIME

At some point I stopped using my wooting60he and went down the rapid trigger gaming keyboard rabbithole. These cheap hall effect keyboards are not BAD but simply not worth considering if you have a wooting. Some minor things, software is really buggy with razer, polar65 typing angle was weird, KB65he rapid trigger made me so much worse at fortnite
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[@boardzy]

I dont know why I didn't plug in my wooting and come to this realization earlier.. sometimes in life you have to downgrade to appreciate what you had

[@didaka8]

Yo boardzy a question not related to the video, is the Deathadder V3 wired still worth it?

[@olsaaan]

@@didaka8why wouldn’t it be?

[@didaka8]

@@olsaaan just asking does it still hold up like build quality and sensor

[@olsaaan]

Oh, in that case, it's not good at all. It's the worst, in fact.@@didaka8

[@lemunz4280]

hey boardzy do u have any thoughts on drunkdeer g65

[@legendarylava8775]

those who don't move don't notice their chains

[@kraken5185]

goes hard

[@Daufzy]

before i watch the video, i want to say that it brings me joy to always see your videos on my timeline. thank you for doing this

[@geoprizm7619]

I've been through a few different keyboards until I finally decided to go with the Wooting Two and I literally have not even considered another keyboard. It's just superior in every way to every keyboard I've had or tried

[@ohlookitsabmwe30.92]

Did you ever try to do a firmware update on the EndGame gear? They released a Low Latency mode. Would love to know if it improved it.

[@jasonjennings8465]

That Wooting 80 He though. Cant wait, especially since the changes they made to it.

[@boardzy]

Yeah I plan to get it, seems really good even though the layout/design is weird

[@frostgodx]

Brain dead layout to sell more shit.

[@ValJCI]

@@boardzy they posted an update that they're fixing the layout but because of that its delayed for a while

[@Fesititi]

@@ValJCI are you talking about the arrow keys getting shifter or them actually adjusting the entire design so it's compatible with most 80%/TKL cases? Because that's the main gripe I have with the 80HE. I just want the board and the switches and put it in a case of my choice, but I have never seen this weird ass layout before. If only more people supported the goat format that is 75%...

[@Valettz]

you should buy the switches@@Fesititi

[@Suprem3DG]

"When I see artisan slander, that ruins my day." I felt this. haha keep doing the good work my man

[@dannsters]

I also have a wooting kb but I’ve heard that the polar 65 has a website software now and I wonder if you tested that out?

[@heartless_gamer]

Only honest issue with Wooting 60HE is I have to swap it out for a TKL for work; just need the 80HE or for Wooting just to wise up and give us Wooting TKL.

[@TheCretaFamily]

I so wish there would be an ergo keyboard option (or keypad) with these switches. Or a wireless Wooting.

[@colinmaclaren8778]

It's kinda unfair comparing the Wooting in an aluminium case with a stock plastic keyboard from a competitor. I compared the Wooting and the Apüex head to head. While the Apex was also wireless, the atrocious software just killed it for me.

[@enkiprime]

i just got the endgame one, while i know its not a top performer, it feels really nice and i feel is the middle ground between magnetic switches and the custom keyboard experience. its sooo much better than the corsair board that i was using lol i dont mind that wooting is a little faster

[@nerkoooooooo]

Nice video bro! Thank you

[@purikeshav00]

Boardzy can you tell if you tried the polar65 with latest firmware is it still not there? Cause i just ordered it based on reviews about new firmware

[@user-ts8kz6rx8z]

I can't decide between wooting or Huntsman v3. Practical performance and convenience ( 6-10 hrs per day) which should I choose? Others review that the Huntsman v3's switches are solid and have a very bouncy feel. Does it feel uncomfortable when used for a long time? compared to wooting

[@NakedTrashPanda]

I have been saying this. The whole reason these keyboard exist is the idea of perfection, and so far the Wooting has been the only one to do it. I do hope the Lamzu Pro and Boog75 are close, as I would love to swap to the Boog75 because it is much like a custom keyboard with the benefits the Wooting.

[@chy.0190]

From the reviews I saw BOOG75 performs more or less same as Wooting, whilst looking and sounding really good for a HE keeb. Lamzu looks like it will be mid tbh.

[@hawkf9199]

Also Boog 75 will have no software to download, which I love

[@geraldsalas3213]

rooting for boog75. there is also zoom65 v3 which has led screen and he module. pretty sick

[@hone-pq7pp]

Endgame gear had some firmware updates with a low latency mode. Curious if it still feels like that?

[@newgoldenpro4008]

I fr clicked on this thinking this was a rant against custom keyboards

[@boardzy]

I couldve gone that route too

[@ErrorNumber404]

@@boardzythen the exorcism would occur

[@wnnd6]

that's basically what happened when he got the apex pro lol

[@Fesititi]

Hard to rant against custom keyboards when his wooting literally is a custom keyboard at this point lmao

[@michaelan9688]

Optimum tech's reviews that yes you are literally playing on 80ms less ping

[@Mandydeth]

I'll preface this by saying I own two 60HEs. The limiting factor on most of these boards is firmware/software, and that can be easily fixed; they PCBs are all nearly identical, as is anything using a Gateron KS-20 based switch. They don't have the same limitation as optical boards. Wooting has had a huge head start on developing the keyboard, but their manufacturing process still can't meet demand. The Chinese OEMs will get it down within a few revisions; we've already seen it in the custom keyboard space where they're pumping out sub-$100 boards that rival the sound and build quality of the $500 ones.

[@boardzy]

Yup I agree with this. I just felt the need to make this vid since a lot of people seem to think all HE boards are equal performance wise currently

[@lacteada]

Cheapest Wooting option for me is €212 (€55 shipping included), is it still worth it if it's literally twice as expensive as $100 options that are not even close to half as bad?

[@chunktuff]

Yeah, after doing research, and quickly going through a couple of keyboards that really weren't that good, I found the Wooting Two HE, and that's the only keyboard (along with Wooting in general) I consider worth a premium price. If you want cheap, get a keyboard that's upwards of $20, but if you want the best, it's only 10x more price, which is quite reasonable for this absurd market, for a keyboard that will last until keyboards as a technology are obsolete. It's the only keyboard I care about at all.

[@mortendkk]

@Boardzy can you test the monsgeek m1 HE when its back in stock its 75% which imo is way better form factor and probably won't use same pcb as other copies

[@rafaelvieira6653]

I live far from the USA but which would be best just for fps? I have another silent keyboard to type on. Can I change switches to Gateron Jade or Geonworks and keycaps to PBT. Focus on performance first, then durability. Drunkdeer A75 ($135) AKKO MOD 007 PC 7 ANNIVERSARY ($125) VXE ATK75 ($131) VXE ATK68 ($108)

[@Ins_FPS]

Spot on review. Literally had the same thoughts after trying the razer, i refunded it within a week. Horrible spacebar, awful sound, i could hear it rattle with my headphones on lol. The steelseries was okay but switches were too wobbly and the software is atrocious. Wooting is still far above the competition.

[@slicesofsib5572]

Best review video of any keyboard I've seen!!!

[@iamhotspurs12]

I think the thing is that people want good sound for cheaper. The wooting costs a lot of money to upgrade to the point that the polar65 sounds like, which sways some decisions.

[@Sergeant0]

nice vid, what about the apex pro mini wireless? I'm just looking for a "good" sounding keeb that's meant for competitive gaming. Budget is 300$

[@ProfessorJavi]

I get my wooting on Saturday this hyped me up so much

[@edeyy]

but is it true that cheap he keyboard are same with red mechanical switch? or it does improve for fps games like valorant?

[@StinkyStanka7]

I just bought the apex pro mini wireless on sale and with a coupon for 144$ is that valid? I've had the k66 with gateron yellows for like over 3 years now..

[@eren5919]

Hello boards, thank you for the video that you make and for how you help people figure out difficult things and make the right choice, we really appreciate it! Recently I decided to choose a new mouse pad for myself, but I came across such a variety that I got a little confused, and can you quickly advise me something from what you have in your memory I play Valorant with very low\Low sense, with a game sleeve, aiming with arm. Viper V2 Pro+Tiger ice glider, I need pad with High stop power and medium\medium-high static friction, preferably white, but black is also possible I was looking at the Saturn pro, but it looks like it has too little static friction, and it's more suitable for mixed gaming, because In valorant, we just need to hold the corners and produce clear, hard, straight flicks, without tracking, because of this most valo pros still use old pads such as QCK Heavy and Zowie G-SR, but I'd like to choose something more modern, you don't know what might be suitable in this case Thanks in advance!

[@XUMax-gp3kb]

Would you be willing to test Kysona's latest AZTEC mouse?I heard it's about to be released soon.

[@GNPgaming]

Just waiting for my Wooting 60HE too. Awesome vid man.

[@brentmhlr]

is the kb65he worth it as wooting isn’t available altogether where I live? or is it worth spending the extra money for an apex pro tkl?

[@PatonCavaney]

Same, but I really need that easy delete key and arrows sometimes

[@spitfirex2599]

does the razer huntsman mini analog also fit in with the clones or is it just ok?

[@Bllfrnd]

I just installed the Gateron Jade switches (110pcs) last weekend in my otherwise stock Wooting Two HE. They´re lighter and have around 0.5mm less travel, but they sound way better thanks to the closed bottom and they come pre-lubed. They feel like they actuate faster at below 1mm travel, but that might just be the lighter springs that make it feel that way.

[@nicholaswicks3077]

All that and the wooting still doesn’t have a 75% size

[@SeptFPS]

Yo boardzy i know is kinda late video but have you ever tried drunkdeer keyboards? i wish you can do one review dad! 😞😞

[@Jen_nie333]

Have you tried the Boog75? I think you'll change your mind about the Wooting, or at least think it's on the same level

[@VinhHD2706]

nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[@devy32]

The reason I was thinking about the endgame is that Wooting only offers 60% but I need numbers, arrow keys and the extra buttons on the right for work

[@Dpower20]

Try the SteelSeries Apex Pro line up. They have a TKL and full-size version. Similar performance to the Wooting.

[@crypix]

Wooting 80he is coming

[@StevenP015]

I'm trying my first HE keyboard next week the boog75 I guess I'll see if they are any good

[@Breezedoesyoutube]

what about the Varmilo victory hall effect board... someone says it contests wooting

[@jaysboredman]

Review the Drunken deer A75 PLEASEEEE its got halleffect and I need to know how it compares

[@D0WnL0DeR]

Was hoping to preorder Wooting 80HE last week, sadly they removed the count down and pushed the preorders to Q2..

[@shotta219]

did you buy new lamzu keyboard?

[@wangmingchu1379]

I got SS apex tkl 2023, wooting 60he, endgame kb65he, and vgn atk 75. Overall I prefer the atk75 over the wooting since the 60% layout is a bit of pain to use, and atk performance does get close. The problem with steelseries is their switches are very wobbly, I can’t use cherry profile keycaps without problems, gotta stick to oem profile caps which has fewer options. Endgame board imo is garbage, I’m still waiting for the boog 75 to arrive, which I heard share the same core with vgn atk series board (which is a good thing). There is also a board called melgeek cyber01 which may worth checking out as well

[@yhiz4757]

Is the atk75 gasket mount? I heard rumors but wasn't sure

[@wangmingchu1379]

@@yhiz4757 yes it is gasket mount. it felt pretty good for especially for the price. the only problem is the switches felt over lubed, not too much of an issue tho

[@salvararonkolbrunarson7734]

got the polar cause of the holiday discount at 105 dollars its literally nuts

[@lazernarwhall]

does anybody have a link to the keycaps on the white keyboard? they look so cool.

[@rasmusmartiskainen253]

Can u try the boog 75 it would be intresting to see is it actually good as the wooting 60he

[@deezyllo]

Does anyone have the Akko 007B and Wooting? I'd like to know how they stack up against eachother.

[@july172]

The only thing with the 60hz keyboard is getting to know the layers, it doesnt have arrow keys of FN keys. 1-0 is FN but once you get used to it. Yooo this is hands down the best key board ever.

[@slrvrr]

what are your opinions on the drunkdeer g65 or a75?

[@NaoKeysVT]

I just bought my wooting when that optimum video came out. Glad i didnt end up with regret lmao.

[@jackn5]

Is the aerox 5 a good mouse? i for some reason like it better than my gpx lmao

[@bermshred]

I just bought the endgame gear kb65he and im honestly surprised, that ur saying it just feels like "red swiches".. coming from akko macha greens, I can definetley tell a major diffrence in reaction time when the rapid trigger is setup correctley... But I wont be the one to judge, as I dont have a collection of high end keyboards as you have.

[@faizmuttaqin6191]

hey, can i ask ur setting for the rapid trigger as you said its good when setup correctly, cus mine feels sh*t sometimes

[@flux5M]

I understand that the wooting keyboards are just superior, but I'm looking for a TKL keyboard- or atleast a board with function keys, does anyone know what would be the best in that market?

[@kxenyy]

apex pro tkl is the only good option really

[@ayefare]

Hey boardzy, I agree with the razer sound, it's terrible. Can I request a review on a new keyboard called "Boog 75" ? It's a new keyboard that sounds heavenly and has rt and adjustable actuation.

[@boardzy]

Will do

[@coyotex850]

performance doesn't live up to the egg hype because this board wasn't built in house, they outsourced that pcb from the same factory in china that supplies basically every 65% HE board on the market today which is why the performance is virtually identical between all of em according to a wooting employee these boards use an all in one hallsensor/led ic to cut cost and probably a cheaper mcu as well, combine that with basic generic firmware and you have the recipe for a whole lot of mid......im sure eventually China will refine the tech and firmware and it'll be more on par with wooting but for now they're just trying to capitalize on the HE goldrush

[@BobbyJoe24.]

Except for the apex pros which also have rapid trigger (adjustable sensitivity in software) and 0.1 actuation force too which is same as wooting plus the Apex Pro Mini just sounds and feels far better

[@victauruss33]

I had the wooting and now i own the varmilo victory, and its so much better....

[@Rig]

True all of the new hall effect keyboards have same PCB which doesn't have good latency. Untill there is a new revision/new PCB I don't see any of the new keyboards competing with Wooting in objective performance sadly

[@bedodev]

although i love my wooting, nowadays i mostly use my atk68 for the convenience of having arrow keys and not switching keebs between gaming and work

[@smexi1755]

The Wooting is extremely overrated. The differences are negligible. You can get a Steelseries Apex Pro TKL for like 50$ on the used markets. Polar 65 out of the box is ten times superior, with the sound and feeling. The Wooting is ONLY worth it if you are going to customize it a ton. Other than that save your money. I gladly sold mine for 300$ lol.

[@tywoods7234]

Copium for not having one

[@smexi1755]

@@tywoods7234 This is the only thing people say when I call it overrated lmao. I literally said I owned it but sold it…

[@coolieee]

lmfaooooooo@@tywoods7234

[@NakedTrashPanda]

​@@smexi1755People say that because you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

[@smexi1755]

@@NakedTrashPanda And where am I wrong exactly?

[@BraveClam]

I just installed Gateron Jade switches two nights ago. It's in a Tofu60 Redux, PC plate, tuned stabs and it sounds fucking majestic. If they released a 65% I would build another Wooting. I'm going to pass on the 80HE, seems like it's going to be way too big plus case compatibility is going to be an issue.

[@know_how_games]

waiting for the true 8k pulling on the Wooting 80HE and mod the shit out of it and main it until im 90

[@dotdotdot8987]

i only had to wait 2 weeks for my wooting, so it depends on when u order it but I highly recommend u save up for it and wait for it has gotten me from dia 3 peek to asc 2 peek in valorant

[@Haris_C]

the polar has much newer firmware than the higround thankfully. They have released tons of updates unlike higround

[@yoshi555king]

I hope Wooting will make a 75% formfactor so I have no excuses to not get a wooting

[@elatedglint]

Are you going to get the 80he?

[@StaySic4Ever]

Wish they just made TKL model. I need those home, end keys. Going smaller than TKL doesn't save any space that matter as how full to TKL does though. I take it in time we'll see it. But cool we're seeing new models over time. Also, what I dislike in more premium keyboards is gasket mount, feels cheap and just horrible to me, wish it was optional. What would also be awesome is to see switch options with lower total travel and improved cap stabilization retaining MX design.

[@Rymc]

It's in the works.

[@OfficialFo]

theyre working on an 80%

[@StaySic4Ever]

@@Rymc hope so

[@StaySic4Ever]

@@OfficialFo if it's the current 80HE that one ain't it.

[@discofieber]

I really hope Akko and Keychron offer some cheaper HE boards in the near future. I dont see myself spending 220$ for the Q1 HE or 210 Euro for the MOD007 when Im only ever going to use the dang thing in wired mode. With all the HE boards already being super pricey because its the latest and greatest, I really dont get why the these big players decided to only offer the top of the line wireless variants first instead of sweeping the market from all of the smaller companies like Drunkdeer and whatnot with an actual competitor priced more reasonably.

[@kesamek8537]

The reason is down below in the comments someone happy to throw $1k any number of times at a collection of custom keyboards all of which have functional defects like switches that are so poorly made they must be disassembled and fixed by the customer, rgb that is non-functional because the LEDs are south facing, and software that looks like it was written by a grade school class in the 1980s. That's the keyboard hobby in a nutshell.

[@slugstory]

been waiting for this one lol

[@milkcarton7064]

This is why optimum tech has the more objective reviews when it comes to peripherals. He shows numbers and stats based on the results of rigorous testing, not just "it feels-" reviews.

[@boardzy]

I would care if Ive been wrong about any peripheral in the past 4 years. Having a sharp eye> easily manipulated tests

[@discoRyne]

It's also been majorly flawed and ostracized due to his input lag testing methodology recently. Don't put all your eggs in a single basket.

[@luden478]

​@@discoRyne Sure, lets say Optimum has flaws in his tests but I still trust arduino data than 'it feels' 'they say' kind of recommendations.

[@GrzybDominator]

If a keyboard doesn't have Numpad is a pass for me. Can't use keyboard with almost half of it missing...

[@Komboss]

could you test the vgn atk 68? some jp youtuber places it at god tier alongside the wooting

[@paulohenrique-rc2yj]

Have you tested VGN's ATK68 keyboard?

[@mike2y23]

I was able to get the razer huntsman v3 pro TKL for 175. Is it worth selling this or returning it and ordering a wooting???

[@steamedhams2392]

Nah bro he's exaggerating a bit unless you are a keyboard enthusiast it won't matter if you are thinking you are going to be better at a game buying the wooting you're not he's not even that good at Fortnite and he's saying it feels like he's playing on 20 less ping is funny

[@ad6m.]

I'll buy a wooting if they make a 65% or 75% but im very close to buying the egg kb65e im in the egg discord and they did mention they're working on the firmware for a release latency update so if they manage that it'll be huge since stock it sounds better

[@zephyr2176]

Im waiting for the 80he. Assuming I can find an aluminum case to transplant it into. Even if you are a sound freak the wooting 60he is very moddable. you dont even have to sacrafice sound and feel

[@tinpot_numbee3910]

But did the Boog75 change ur opinion?

[@tywoods7234]

Boardzy telling them the truth they dont want to hear. All these OEM brands suddenly putting out "Rapid Trigger" as their main selling point quickly fooled the market.

[@bodhum]

Imagine using prebuilt keyboards if you care about switch and sound consistency

[@Rymc]

My Wooting is the nicest thing I've bought for my PC in years. I love it straight out of the box. Just pure fucking art. Buy one, wait whatever time it takes to arrive and be delighted once it does. Just stop thinking about it, you won't regret it. I recommend grabbing the wooting wrist rest too. It's lovely!

[@SaturnAims]

Have you tried the polar 65 after the update? It's a lot better than before

[@mikeyhope7577]

Wireless keyboards are definitely going to be the next thing to take off. Everyone will make a wireless capable keyboard with rapid trigger targeting the 199 price point.

[@demise9]

THE POLAR KEYBOARD IS VERY GAPPED IN TERMS OF PERFORMANCE VS APEX PRO TKL (2022). MOVEMENT IN OW2, OTHER GAMES LEGIT FEELS LIKE HALVED PING AFTER GOING BACK TO APEX PRO

[@hyunnimitsu]

kind of need more explanation on why the polar65 is less performing than the wooting

[@lazarosminas5000]

they perform the same. We are talking < 20 m/s here in latency/performance difference. The human brain can can only differentiate degraded performance differences between 75-100 m/s. This is clearly a placebo effect.

[@akaChriss4L]

Shiiiiieet, I hope wooting makes a 65% layout.

[@IMF1821]

Good to see people trolling you for 6 months finally paid off.

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Boardzy only reports to himself and god 🗿

[@mimp8365]

The Endgame, Polar, ATK and many others use the same OEM PCBA, firmware and software does differ though. The ATK68 has all Wooting’s features except for analog/gamepad remapping but I do not have a setup to test and compare its latency. You’re not the target consumer as you want the best of the best, not the best within a budget. What was quite shocking to me is that the build quality of the ATK68 (and from what I’ve seen the Endgame too) is much much better than the 60HE, a far better sound and switches as well. The switches are the KS-37B Dual Rail switches compared to the Lekkers’ Single Rail. They have tighter tolerances and because of their dual rails; less stem wobble. Yes, the 60HE is still better for €189,99 but for €80 cheaper the ATK68 is almost there. I hope to see a thorough latency test of the ATK soon, maybe RTings will. 🤷‍♂️

[@itounobue1]

There's a vietnamese youtuber who tested the ATK68 against wooting 60HE and it came out as ~1.5ms slower on actuation and ~3ms slower on release which imo seems really solid for the price. If they update the firmware to allow for the smart speed x function which is supposed to be the equivalent of tachyon mode it might even match it but who knows.

[@wnnd6]

the features are there, but the implementation sucks ass. not just about latency (which isnt great either)

[@mimp8365]

@@itounobue1 If what you’re saying is accurate, Wooting’s only pros are the 4 year warranty and analog/gamepad remapping which wouldn’t be worth the €80 more for most I presume.

[@mimp8365]

@@wnnd6 Can you elaborate on that? What hindered you with the implementation?

[@itounobue1]

@@mimp8365 Yeah it really depends on how much money youre willing to spend and how much you care about customization. Wooting being a standard 60% makes it fit basically any case on the market and youre also able to choose your switches e.g. gateron jades ks-20 orange/white or raptor he. Those dont work on boards with ks-37s as they dont have the additional middle stem that pops into the pcb.

[@pirx9798]

Anothrr important point fornthe wooting is that it doesnt need any obnoxious, bloated software that even has to be active like the apex or the razer. Configure it using a website and done.

[@kiyu_u6009]

I know the wooting is the best. but I'm just happy with my apex pro I bought a couple years ago. I barely hear the sound anyways cuz I'm on IEM, and the switches feel very smooth. Maybe I'll upgrade to wooting but I can't be asked ever since Steelseries added rapid trigger.

[@geraldsalas3213]

can you make a review about boog75, a zoom75 keybs but has HE pcb

[@timnelson1054]

Anything on the AKKOMOD??

[@zaiddadibhai2784]

Try the drunkdear A75 pro should be the second best rapid trigger after the wooting and its not a huge difference also hella cheap

[@testtube173]

I just want a 75% wooting. I love the switches I love the features I love the design choices but I sincerely just want those extra keys.

[@hyrochen1502]

only reason I really got the steelseries apex pro was because it was on sale for 135 USD and its globally available, unlike the wooting which doesn't ship everywhere and you have to wait long times for batches/stock. the drunkdeer a75 is also really good at that price

[@paft]

Same reason. Readily available, I prefer TKL, which comes with a palm rest, volume knob (which I need) and the fact I got it (legacy version. Same keyboard with FW updates) for £99 with 2 years warranty. I needed a keyboard ASAP as my previous one died.

[@OkayAlright]

You don't need to defend your purchase bro buy whatever you want you're good lol

[@Jigolopuff]

i prefer the Apex Pros switches. they feel much lighter

[@yhiz4757]

Drunkdeer a75 is trash (I own one, I hate it), good switches and solid firmware/software but HORRIBLE build quality. Apex pro performs well but is one of the most poorly built keyboards I've ever seen sadly, wish steelseries cared more about the quality of the products they sold instead of focusing on marketing material (although it does perform well). It's your keyboard though, if you like it and don't care about the sound/feel/build quality then honestly I hope you have a shit ton of fun with it

[@tywoods7234]

@@parhamizady8616 negligible to you because you dont have one