Bible Slavery: TOTALLY DIFFERENT

[@pmarreck]

“If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.” ― Oscar Wilde

[@pmarreck]

"If a joke doesn't have a grain of truth, it's actually not funny at all." -Life

[@ZackBeliles]

Peter, you sir made me chuckle.

[@pmarreck]

***** Who defines beauty? Music? Joy? That's as good evidence for God as any. Even if it's a "God of the gaps" argument. ;)

[@pmarreck]

What is the point of a NON-omnibenevolent God? You might as well go back to worshipping Zeus.

[@Shadow-gc6le]

Anonymously Anonymous well since Omnibenevolent means all good he would have to be good by all accounts and definitions including subjective definitions meaning it would eventually become self contradictory as two peoples definitions clash

[@canibaloxide]

So my brother in law starts giving me the church talk the other day and when I confronted him with this issue and after finally getting past the indentured servitude BS he came to the conclusion that owning slaves is moral since it said so in the bible. Blew my mind.

[@NonStampCollector]

Dead as Dreams Well, he gets points for remaining consistent. Perhaps loses a few points for holding that view in the 21st century.

[@Gazzer1966]

Dead as Dreams Tell your brother I said "It rubs the lotion on its skin. It does this whenever it is told" I bet his opinion changes when he could be the slave. And yes that is a Silence of the Lambs quote, I'm not in the habit of kidnapping people and making them slaves.

[@deepsea5348]

+NonStampCollector So I suppose that means that he doesn't really get any points at all. The loss of point makes up for the giving of points. In the end, he's still just as stupid as before!

[@samuel4131]

Dead as Dreams At least he is an honest Christian.

[@FloydHose]

Dead as Dreams same here bud but with a different relative in my case

[@JoelJoel321]

This is so well written because God talks exactly like Christians do when you try and have this conversation.

[@srfrg9707]

JoelJoel321 Not at all. Only some protestant sects speak that way. I am an orthodox christian and my point of view is quite the one expressed by the angels : there are no Greek or Jews. There are no slaves or free men. All are one in Jesus christ. Therefore all the double standards in the Torah between Israelites and gentiles is void. Protestants are heretics. They have been excommunicated from the church. Their are teaching judaism. not christianity.

[@MlokLik]

protestants are actually OK. i've entered many catholic churches before :) i'm an evangellic brazilian, btw.

[@davidhatcher7016]

Λογος ?

[@jamainebowman2968]

Λογος So you worship to a “Creator” your WHOLE life and what are you rewarded with? The opportunity to go to Heaven and WORSHIP the SAME “creator” for ETERNITY. Doesn’t that sound like a scam. Imagine I said give me $10 today and then you ONLY have to give me $10 every day for eternity. And if you don’t? You burn for all eternity. You see how that sounds weird

[@trudipper8055]

Jamaine Bowman That's not a good comparison. Worshiping God costs £0. I'll give him that £0 daily as long as I live.

[@noone3216]

15 years later and youtube just now starts suggesting your channel?? Mate, your stuff is all so deliciously satirical. Having been brought up in a Christian family where studying the bible is highly encouraged (but rarely engaged in), the sheer bluntness you present it all tickles me in a way that logical debates between a/theists just can't compare to. I give your channel a 10/10 commandments!

[@lovaloo763]

I had friends who converted to this religion in early adulthood and I brought up the slavery passages and they said slavery is inevitable and God didn't ordain it, he just provided guidance for how to do it correctly. It never ends.

[@warrenschrader7481]

Ask them: If it's so inevitable, why is it banned today?

[@lovaloo763]

@@warrenschrader7481 Developed countries have outlawed this practice. Unfortunately overseas in developing countries there is still slavery. His point is that human social hierarchies are inevitable. The deeply disturbing aspect of this idea? Not all societies are hierarchical, some are egalitarian. However a study of history suggests that the societies that develop hierarchies tend to overtake the egalitarian societies. This means that the bible is quite literally a collection of religious myths that colonizers use to condone forced assimilation. The European monarchies and the American settlers both used the bible to justify colonialism. Important to note the Roman empire was already massive, they were late adopters of Christianity around the 3rd century AD (Emperor Constantine liked Christianity and popularized it) and so Rome didn't need to use the bible to justify colonization of the ancient world.

[@newnoggin2]

Read the Bible to learn how to beat your slaves. A very sick book.

[@TheKingofTheUniverse.]

provided guidance for how to do it correctly? So beating up slave as long as they're still alive a day or two is okay? Is it okay to inherited slave for life? is it okay to take human as property?

[@lovaloo763]

@@TheKingofTheUniverse. I pointed these verses out and he had pre-rehearsed defensive arguments at the ready. I swear, arguing with these people will turn you in to an atheist if you weren't already. No bar is too low for them. The Abrahamic canon is used as apologia for colonialist barbarism, it's no wonder neo nazis love the bible.

[@str8todamoney]

It's tricky isn't it?

[@bleh1569]

N-no not really lord..

[@FeralHydra75]

I lose it every time

[@Marz2727]

Hilarious

[@johnclifford9552]

No not really... LORD: "He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death." - Exodus 21:16 Angles: "Ok, now we're talking!"

[@cadkls]

@@johnclifford9552 Ah, more contradictions. Exodus 21:20-1 "And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely put to death" "Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall NOT be punished: for he is his money" Exodus 21:26 "And if a man smite the ey of his servant, or they eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake" Oh dont worry, as long as they havent died or been blinded, any amount of violence is ok. Fuck off, you walking contradiction.

[@freelancebioexorcist174]

You know what irks me? My parents send me to a Christian school. I don’t know if I believe anything that I learn there surrounding Christianity, but in my (Christian version of) history class, we were learning about the Civil War, specifically the slavery leading up to it. A kid raised his hand, and he asked, “Wasn’t America founded on strong Christian morals? Where did they get this idea that slavery was alright?” In response, my teacher blatantly lied, and she said that slavery was prohibited in the Bible. She even said that she, “didn’t know where they got the idea”. I know that she was lying, and wasn’t just ignorant, because she used to be a Bible teacher. I find it hilarious that she just believes what she wants to believe, but doesn’t believe what she doesn’t want to believe. Until I found this video, I actually believed that slavery was prohibited by the Bible. I guess it just goes to show how a lot of Christians ignore issues like this in the Bible, sometimes pretending they’re not even there.

[@creativecontent3987]

I'm a Christian here. If there's any question who have about slavery in the bible, you can ask me.

[@decmurray1096]

I admire your bravery and persistence in looking for truth where those around you dare not. I know your comment is now years old, I hope you're finding or have found your path.

[@pythondrink]

​@@creativecontent3987 I don't think there's anything to ask you. The Bible clearly endorses slavery. End of story. If you're asked any questions, you'll probably lie.

[@creativecontent3987]

​@@pythondrink I don't think that's reasonable to say. I'm trying to find the truth about the world as well.

[@pythondrink]

@@creativecontent3987 you know what? I guess I was kinda rude. I'm sorry about that.

[@some_sun8502]

Honestly your videos have opened my eyes even more. I left the church two years ago in pursuit of deeper truth. I was "saved" at 15 when I was suicidal and the music and positive words spoken over me just helped me cling to hope. I was baptized twice, shit scared of hell. I studied the bible, even went to bible school where I met my now husband. I've just found confusion in the bible. Then I would pray as people have told me to but I just kept finding more questions that no one except scholars and atheists could answer. My husband has a awful back condition that still hasn't been healed. He needs surgery. My son had a period of seizures. Our Christ loving friend died of cancer and left a toddler and wife behind. I just... I don't get it anymore. But I feel more enlightened and free than I've ever felt in my life through meditation/mindfulness instead of begging in prayer. I know these are old videos but thanks. I feel more free and happy than I did when I was a christian. I felt worthless (something we are encouraged to sing or pray to God). I also learnt history of other religions and then bam. Just made me realize this can't be true or needed.

[@yoshisaidit7250]

Good on you. Once we rid the planet of religions, then, and only then, can we start to really advance this civilization.

[@brianbrady4496]

Your not alone my friend.

[@rosiebanks5618]

I've recently challenged my faith. These videos bring me hope that I havent 'lost' anything. This god is a sicko.

[@alexis_electronic]

What you needed was community, not God, necessarily. As someone with seizures - I wish you and your family luck.

[@Greggers1516]

If you were “begging” in prayer then you were doing it wrong and only doing it with something to gain. That’s now how family or friends act. God is our Father and to only ask him for things when we need him, isn’t love.

[@sebastianoconnor973]

Before reading the Bible, I prayed to the Holy Spirit for good understanding. Having finished reading it, I became an atheist.

[@IsomerMashups]

+Sebastian Oconnor Isn't it interesting how so many people ditch Christianity as soon as they actually read the Bible? XD

[@timq6224]

@@thedarkestcat pretty sure the real God is quite displeased at the trash his self-proclaimed followers are pushing about as "his word"

[@peteralleyman1945]

At least the holy spirit awarded your prayer for good understanding of the bible.

[@cityonthelakes]

Sebastian Oconnor Me too

[@Reblwitoutacause]

Sebastian Oconnor thank god, eh?

[@jedkemekt2062]

If you're black and you're a Christian, you have a real short memory. -Chris Rock

[@srfrg9707]

Jedke Mekt You are an ignorant. Christians where the very first to abolish slavery.

[@srfrg9707]

paul morgan So?

[@srfrg9707]

paul morgan Slaves owners where excommunicated by the pope in the 15th century. The so-called christians justifying slavery where heretics. They returned to judaism. The bible is made of 2 books : the Torah, which was the law of the Israelites, and the Gospel, which corrects the law of the Israelites. Christians don't apply the law of the Torah directly. They filter it thru the teachings of Jesus. We are not Jews. Stop pretending we are. That's because of those teachings of Jesus that we where the very firsts to abolish slavery. Protetsantism is a failure. They have no coherence what so ever.

[@iTubgirl]

He came to correct the law, did he? How about this from Matthew 5:17: Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

[@srfrg9707]

paul morgan And Jesus said also to love your ennemies too. What's your point?

[@entlvr35]

You know, when I got released from the hospital for something like my 5th suicide attempt, my son, who was devoutly religious, faithful & spent years of his life in study & prayer, was going through his own awakening & introduced me to NonStampCollector. I still considered myself, meh, a Christian but frustrated with church because whenever I attended these discussions weren't congruent but if questioned, the "faithful" would claim that you have to trust & believe. I understood some of the underlying philosophies & agreed with love but then they contradicted it with a whole lot of BS. I really want to thank you for making these as they were instrumental in my making the transition from frustration & feeling like a failure because I couldn't give blind, wholesale approval of these things that never resonated with my intrinsic morals & values. I consider myself strongly agnostic, leaning towards atheist & since letting go of an impossible & hurtful attempt to follow this religion I have developed a much richer, more fulfilling life & an ability (I'm still working on developing logic.) to recognize rhetoric & irrational patterns of circular reasoning that kept me trapped for a lifetime. So many times I've watched one of your videos & said, "HEY? I've said that!" You helped me realize, I wasn't 'crazy.'

[@timwilliams8496]

Hang in there Melissa and live your life to the fullest, I tell people this when they ask me about religion, you treat people how you want to be treated and let the cards fall where they may when you die, if a God has a problem with that I say fuckem that's his problem. Also no one can prove or disprove a god exist it's just an opinion, not a fact.

[@timwilliams8496]

Peter Marreck Pete you're a little nicer than I am ,I tell them to fuck off and let people live their lives.

[@pmarreck]

Timothy Williams Fortunately I don't judge the non-nice (does that make me the most Christian lapsed-Christian? lol) but just anecdotally, I've found that more flies are attracted by honey, and I enjoy leading people to see things as I see them (as well as trying to see things as they see them and maybe meet somewhere in between). I can understand your frustration if that's where your attitude comes from, though. We live in a world of people who think science is devilry and punishment is order

[@timwilliams8496]

Peter Marreck yeah I see your point, but sometimes you got to go there with these knuckleheads.

[@timwilliams8496]

Melissa remember the truth needs no apology or excuses, it can stand on its own. You said it in your post ,when you questioned the "faithful" they would give you some BS answer like trust and believe.

[@richm368]

I once brought up the genocide argument with a co-worker when he was so concerned that I wasn't religious. I had him pull up the very direct command from his god in the bible to murder children if they are part of this specific tribe. He told me that god must have seen the future and that they all would have become Nazis or something.I asked him why the Nazis had such a bad reputation? They were "ungodly" in his opinion, apparently he thinks not conforming to some other non-specified religious rules is worse than the literal holocaust.

[@scotte4765]

Did you ask him why God would order the murder of those future Nazis but then later neglect to have anyone murder, as children, the Nazis we actually got?

[@justice8718]

Dude, you would look at Dogman and demand for their genocide the moment you found out they could breed with mankind.

[@herlocksholmes-uv5qw]

Weren't Nazis like, protestants or something? Lmao

[@raidredemption3327]

​@@justice8718 And who created those dogmen ??

[@justice8718]

@@raidredemption3327 Genesis 6 has the answer.

[@antitheist3206]

Cross-dressing, mixing fabrics, getting tattoos, getting haircuts, eating bacon, being around menstruating women... Well okay, bacon is unhealthy, but the rest seems like the authors were mad at people who were different (or female, in some cases).

[@QuestionThingsUseLogic]

I think the Roman (royal) authors were very mixed up. There is jesus having a relationship with John...the disciple jesus LOVED. Then there's Ruth and Naomi...the wordused for love there is the same love between a man and a woman. Then there's paul with his weird relationship with Timothy. And don't forget David and Jonathon's love relationship... god said to be fruitful and multiply to the man and woman in the garden and then paul states it's best to be single. It's a mish-mash of lies and garbage! I am not against anyone's sexuality, just pointing out the hypocrisy.

[@sundayoliver3147]

Well, "different" WOULD be female. I seriously doubt that any female had a hand in telling these stories, especially since women in those days were chattels and not worth teaching to read and write. And definitely not worth listenig to.

[@darabakare7591]

​@@QuestionThingsUseLogic Im not even gonna refute this comment but its just you pushing an agenda you have on a book which clearly does not reflect said agenda

[@QuestionThingsUseLogic]

@@darabakare7591 the bible is fiction.

[@SkenonSLive]

Remember that the same author standardized genital mutilation of men and treats them as livestock in many cases. Seems like an all around hateful bunch :D

[@Techn0forlife]

*Video ends* *Scrolls down to comments section* *Grabs popcorn*

[@davidhatcher7016]

Techn0 for life lol yes

[@kathykaura7219]

Techn0 for life EXACTLY!! Haha!

[@aurorafrost288]

@@jonathangrover3176 Even if the discussion is being civil, it is still hilarious that people discuss this shit as if events described in the bible actually happened (referring to some of the subthreads above this one...)

[@bensosnowski1128]

I’m literally eating popcorn. I finished the whole bag from just the video and reading the comments

[@TS-qq7vr]

Farts

[@phxbillcee]

Christians continue to tap-dance around this issue. The contortions they make to "apologize" this would be amusing if the issue was not so grave.

[@greenelephant...ofdoom5527]

Doesn't really matter though since they don't practice this anymore.

[@emeraldkat2167]

Really? You think people don't practice slavery still? Also, even in countries where slavery is abolished, there are enough Christians who still believe this is the correct way to live and that we should still allow such things. A few groups you can start with: skinheads, neo-nazis, the alt-right, etc...

[@greenelephant...ofdoom5527]

I don't care what people believe so long as they don't act on it. And I'm not aware of slavery in majority Christian nations, though I admit I have not looked into it.

[@emeraldkat2167]

Green Elephant Well if you don't know, slavery is well alive in the US. It simply isn't called that, but there are plenty of cases of it. The most prominent of which is the prison system in which prisoners to be considered well behaved and make enough to do things like afford snacks, tampons (for women prisoners), and calls home have to make products for basically nothing... Meanwhile the prisons sell these items for ridiculous amounts of money. Some items the public are pretty much required to buy - like license plates for you car. And make no mistake about it, there are far more black and brown people in prisons today than white. And they have been getting longer sentences than their white counterparts for decades. There's other examples too, but I don't want this comment to get too long.

[@greenelephant...ofdoom5527]

The prison system is entirely different from slavery, and even if there are unjust inequalities in sentences, nearly every single person there did something to put themselves there. There's a difference between putting yourself in that position and being actually forced into that position. Also they aren't being whipped, aren't property, still have rights, etc.

[@Robert44444444]

Nobody but nobody holds up a mirror to the absurd claims of the bible and its fictional central character quite like you do… never anything short of brilliantly done… bravo. If I was a believer, I'd want to go hide somewhere out of embarrassment after watching this for having believed the bible's nonsense.

[@NonStampCollector]

That's really nice to read. Made my afternoon after a shit day at work. Thanks man!

[@Iamwrongbut]

@@NonStampCollector NSC, you are the man. I am so thankful for all you’ve done over the years through these videos. Each is a work of art with spectacular writing.

[@thesatanosaurreigns2448]

Darkmatter2525 does a fantastic job of that as well.

[@lizzard13666]

If you want a better understanding of what the Bible actually says, watch "Why the Bible (doesn't) Support Slavery" by Whaddo You Meme. It's a great response vid, and contains some really interesting points! This video here is embarrassingly under-researched, and purposely avoids passages like this: Exodus 21:16 (NASB95) “He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death. Clear statement that prevents slavery. "Voluntary slavery" probably sounds like an oxymoron to you, but it's because you have a modern anachronistic way of reading the Bible. The word "slavery" doesn't technically appear in the Bible at all! Here's another theme of the Torah you purposely didn't take into account: Leviticus 19:34 (NASB95) ‘The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt; I am the LORD your God. Yet another issue, some of the peoples described in the Torah were burning babies alive. I have no problem with those people receiving a life sentence of community service! It's better than they deserve. I guess you believe that those people have a right to burn their babies alive and that Yahweh doesn't have the right to do anything about that. Also, remember that anyone could become an Israelite, or dwell among the Israelites ... another point clearly and purposely dodged in this video.

[@Robert44444444]

@@lizzard13666 - lovely cherry-picking tap dance… not buying it… boy the hoops you guys will jump through to defend your f'd up book… lol. I could supply links to well-constructed arguments that include passages you're conveniently omitting here, but unlike you I don't feel the need to convince anyone my view is correct. Smart people in the 21st Century (of which you might be one, IDK) who buy into the supernatural claims of the bible clearly have what Apple coined a "secure enclave" where your belief in the supernatural resides, and reason & logic cannot penetrate. Even though believers try to use this same reason & logic in navigating every other aspect of their lives, their faith would be decimated if reason were permitted to get through.

[@AlejandroGonzalez-wo5fk]

This exactly what it feels like to debate slavery with a Christian

[@johnclifford9552]

Where the Atheist gives a bunch of straw man arguments! 100% agreed!

[@AlejandroGonzalez-wo5fk]

@@johnclifford9552 where is there a strawman here?

[@SubsWithnoDadChallenge]

Dancing around the question and saying the same thing over and over? Yep, this is too accurate.

[@annaclarafenyo8185]

The Biblical law is designed to eliminate ancient slavery, indirectly. It frees Israelites, but requires foreign slaves to be circumcized and included in the Passover, so that they convert (or their children do), and then they are freed, and go on to free anyone they might own. This is how the region converted from an ancient slave society to a non-slave society. The Christians did something analogous.

[@hughjanus2781]

@@annaclarafenyo8185 False foreign slaves were slaves for life what you just said is a complete made up lie.

[@NonStampCollector]

I love it. I just love being told by someone who is bending over backwards to try to convince me that their god of their bible never mandated human slavery and human trafficking (despite such statements as "You can make them slaves for life" and "Your slaves are to come from the nations around you, from them you may buy slaves"), that "It's best not to try to discredit certain implications based upon our pre-conceived notions of what took place". Yeah, coz **I'm** the one guilty of doing that.

[@helihobbit]

You would want to read what the credulously committed say back to me on my page when discussing genocide in the bible. It'd make you want to throw up! 100% ducking and weaving, never ever a straight yes we have a real problem here. I have to repeat myself, then get called out for yes repeating myself. My patience is almost out. I dont think they are bad people; its that they have perfected the techniques of skirting the central issue in order to protect their 'souls'.

[@xdaantihero]

​@@helihobbitA Christian told me it's permission.

[@justice8718]

@@helihobbit I have no patience to look at you for more than one minute, since you desire to be lawless as the Devil.

[@hisholyname2141]

@@helihobbit Yes. We have a giant gaping maw of a problem here.

[@Getwipedboiii]

​@@helihobbit They are bad people. I'm very serious. If you stand by rules that specifically damn others just because they don't danm you. You are a bad person. Personal safety isn't a concern in this situation, you will not be harmed for going "slavery is bad, and the Bible condones it", no one has a gun to their head to make them beat around the burning bush, simply put, they agree with it, and don't want to seem like a crappy person, but as long as they silently allow this cruelty to go unnoticed, they're bad people

[@spreadlove8624]

Is there any way I can pay for the advertisement for this video? More people need to see this. At least 5 million views.

[@tsapp2831]

It's a dumb video.

[@alanawake3038]

@@tsapp2831 you know what's really dumb? Person replying to the comment from 2 years ago

[@tsapp2831]

@@alanawake3038 and then someone else replying to that one. Lol

[@alanawake3038]

@@tsapp2831 i am replying to 2 weeks old reply not 2 years old comment 😄

[@tsapp2831]

@@alanawake3038 yes, your replying to my reply to a 2 year old Post 😕

[@GrayAvian]

The last bit about genocide is eerily true today, I thought this was recently made and was amazed this made a decade ago

[@NonStampCollector]

It's tricky.

[@qwadratix]

People have been pointing out nonsense and immorality in the bible for literally hundreds of years. Read 'Candide' by Voltaire (published 1750- something)

[@IconoclastX]

Nothing difficult about being a heathen. Punching down is easy​@@NonStampCollector

[@darcash1738]

@@IconoclastX if they are too short, it is easier to kick. Even all of the dubious morality aside tho, why is the Bible just about the time in which it was written? That is a human restraint. If God were meant to guide our religion in steps leading us to the current day, in attempt to get it to continuously improve, then he could produce a book of his own that flawlessly reflected his word and have it rain down from the heavens as a wonderous drizzle across the world for all to read. If he didn't want it to flawlessly show his word, but rather guide us slightly ahead of our current standing morality, he could do this drizzle of updated Bibles periodically. As powerful as he is, it would take him a fraction of an instant to ideate such an update every, say 100 years. I would also like to question why God sounds so ignorant about the true nature of hail and acts as though they are in "storehouses" in the story of Job. Was he lying to man about the true nature of hail? It is said he is always truthful so this should not be the case. I suggest it was man's word, not some divine being, or else he could have regaled us with facts that we only know now due to modern science. God is meant to be infallible, perfect. Whether the contradictions of the Bible can be explained through "context"--even though God is unchanging--indicates a failure on his part. The Bible is meant to accurately reflect his word right? Why did he even have fallible humans execute this task when he could do it himself? By having humans do it for him, he made himself look terrible because of humans' stupidity and inability to align their stories as a single, consistent representation of God. You cannot escape his love, but he chooses to hate people who hate him? God doesn't even sound like Jesus and him could be the same person. God is wrathful while his son is rather passionate at times but strangely became passive approaching death. If he were anything like Yahweh, he would've decided to cause a plague or ten for what was done to him. Jesus and God are the same person but also father and son right (honestly I forget this part might be wrong it sounds kinda weird)? If so, what accounts for the difference between the two in terms of kindness versus wrath ["just" wrath according to Christians]?

[@christianmiller9934]

@@IconoclastXit’s not punching down on the worlds biggest religion it’s punching up against an oppressive force

[@L33tH4cks]

Thank you NonStampCollector. You're videos helped me leave toxic Mormonism behind, and I have never felt so free, at peace, and healthy. You helped me know that I wasn't alone, and gave me the courage to take those first steps. I will always be grateful for your videos!

[@saladcaesar7716]

happy for you !

[@pythondrink]

Happy for you. Videos like these helped me leave Jehovah's Witnesses.

[@terrelltravis2870]

You know what's really fun? Watching Christians defend the enslavement of other people on behalf of their imaginary friend. My favorite retort is "biblical slavery was different from modern slavery" completely ignoring the fact that slavery as we knew it was justified and defended on biblical grounds.

[@12thdegreeninja64]

or that slavery is slavery, no matter how thick those rose colored glasses are. simple truth is, these fanatics will justify just about anything to keep this delusion that they have this speed dial relationship with an imaginary super friend. how hard it is for them to admit, they, their parents, their grandparents, and their ilk, are wrong, so utterly and demonstrably wrong.

[@DesGardius-me7gf]

Terrell Travis It's typical Christian special-pleading.

[@jeremydes100]

Slavery is wicked no matter when or where. You won't find a place in scripture where God commends a people for owning slaves..but that is besides the fact. Do you know that the Bible says that everyone is a slave? I'm not making it up. Please look up Romans 6:20... and please read it,in context,so you know I'm not feeding you a line on KZbin. Please let me know,your thoughts on this verse. Thanks for,listening!!

[@jeremydes100]

Hi 12th degree ninja!! Where do you get the idea about an imaginary friend. Are,you saying that you doubt the historicity of Jesus Christ?

[@jeremydes100]

I'm not talking about the actions of sinful people like me..and you, and King James. I'm talking about God. It's similar to people saying there should be no interracial marriage. God does NOT say that. It's just poor reading...If people read novels like they read the Bible, most novelists would be doing something else.The book of Romans is written to CHRISTIAN people who were very familiar with slavery, so Paul used an illustration that would got their attention. And you are absolutely correct about Paul. He WAS Saul, a persecutor of Christian people in the early Church. That's what is so great about the New Testament..over half of it was written by a former blaspheming God-hater, like Saul of Tarsus!! That would be similar to Bin Laden, becoming a Christian, and planting a church in Manhattan. That is nothing but pure Grace.

[@jackkraken3888]

"Dude it's just indentured servitude." "Do you want to be a an indentured servant?" "No that's not the point.

[@johnclifford9552]

Because they could not pay their debts! If they were kidnapped it would mean the death penalty for the kidnapper and anyone associated.

[@iactuallydontknowwhatimtal4569]

If you couldn't pay your debts you would be an indentured servant so to speak. There wasn't the same prison system we have today. Also, a lot of other factors...

[@jackkraken3888]

@@iactuallydontknowwhatimtal4569 I agree but you are also beholden to your slave masters. Ever heard of debt bondage? That's a very extreme form of debt slavery and it was terrible. What we should understand is that there is unequal power difference between the slave owner and the master and it's entirely possible for the master to take full advantage of that Ie debt bondage. So even if there are a somewhat ok system for owning debt slaves it's not necessarily clear they even follow ed it and in a number of cases you become a permanent slave.

[@johnclifford9552]

@@jackkraken3888 Debt bondages were prevented by the fact that every 15 years on the Jubilee, slaves would be released.

[@jackkraken3888]

@@johnclifford9552 I guess it makes it slightly better.

[@matthewdragomir2261]

I don't think I've been more frustrated by watching a video before. My heart rate elevated every time god would pretend not to hear an angel speak logically and try to reiterate his already invalid arguments. It gave me the exact same feeling as when I try to argue with my family about why I'm the only one who's an atheist and the rest of them go to church twice a week because they still claim "the bible is infallable" regardless of how many arguments I present that prove otherwise.

[@NonStampCollector]

Glad to be of service.

[@The_one_that_got_away]

Well Try doing finding errors in the Qur'an.

[@matthewdragomir2261]

@@The_one_that_got_away I'm not familiar with the Qur'an but I'm sure it's the same as any other holy book. Every religion claims that their holy book is the most accurate or precise but all religions do is make unfalsifiable claims about the supernatural that can never be proven. I'm much more familiar with the bible because I was a christian for most of my life so I'm much more familiar with all the stories.

[@The_one_that_got_away]

@@matthewdragomir2261Islam and Christianity mainly contain the same stories, like Adam eve,prophets like Abraham, king Solomon, lut, Noah,Moses, Jesus, Mohammad (peace be upon them all). I beleive that God has ONE message and he sent down prophets over time along with revelations, but people misinterpreted it, edited it, didn't listen etc and created these many religions, like Jesus, unlike EVERY SINGLE HOLY PERSON was a prophet,not a literal.God. or his biological son. But well- So anyway Mohammad saw is the last prophet from God almighty, and this is the final, the Qur'an it is unchanged,you might think I'm lying or I'm just one sided, well look for yourself . I get why you find God thesis illilogical, but for me, Athiesm is a big scientific fallacy, it just doesn't add up. Everything has a creator, everything. You cannot get SOMETHING out of nothing.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@The_one_that_got_away Oh well, a bad bit of work there on the long term; that might have been avoided if He'd checked sufficiently how the future would turn out. I suppose, we could chose neale Walsch's god, next? He has a fairly good track record in clear, published, communication. Perhaps that was how it was always meant to be conveyed?

[@maxwellsimon4538]

I like this depiction of god as a childish and sadistic monster, who is also entirely oblivious to his evils. Really helps you get into the mind set of the culture that the Bronze Age Israelites had.

[@friendlyoldbum9182]

The mindset of today's religious people

[@May-ky4lu]

+

[@fluffynator6222]

It's like arguing with a right wing extremist, honestly.

[@friendlyoldbum9182]

@@fluffynator6222 It's like arguing with anyone that holds part of their identity with a group or party.

[@fluffynator6222]

@@friendlyoldbum9182 Not entirely accurate. People like that generally don't try to defend morally ambiguous ideas like slavery.

[@vincentvalenhyde]

Man created the Bible. Enough said.

[@damiengermosen5367]

Vincent ValenHYDE But wasn't it God's word?

[@mrguy9771]

According to the bible full of contradictions, sure.

[@yeahimere9631]

Galaxy Otter. God is a creation of man's imagination.

[@ayanoitami7163]

@@damiengermosen5367 It was, long time ago till man screwed it up Read Qur'an 😃

[@damiengermosen5367]

@@ayanoitami7163 I'm atheist so, yeah. And I read Quara

[@imp2247]

Funny how the bible can be completely torn apart by a cartoon with stick figures.

[@elephystry]

Yahubur Yahu WOT

[@RedbadvanRijn-ft3vv]

Same as Islam. Its all a hoax.

[@sonicrocks2007]

Mostly because it is out of context. Bible doesn't allow for indentured slavery. Or a man to be stolen. A man however can put inself to work for a period of 7 years but at the end he has write a contract to stay or ago. And is forgiven of all debts. And every 50 years. Many times the allow for evil things such as divorce or secondary wives but I'd you read the bibical narrative it doesn't mean it is approved or not sin.

[@XSquareWave]

@@sonicrocks2007Source?

[@sonicrocks2007]

@Square Wave Source: read the OT, NT, Rabbinic writings. Read all of the books of Paul, Moses, and pick up a Talmud commentary. Read Dr. NT Wright and Dr. Michael Hieser on the subject. In Genesis written by Moses. you get this subversive storytelling about Jacob selling himself as a slave to his family for 7 years and was abused and he left the contract. The moral of that story is how slavery goes wrong and how dirty contracts are. Another story in Genesis is about Joseph sold into non-Jewish slavery and it was brutality and living though it. Then you have the story of Moses himself and his story letting all the slaves free and reforming the law. When writing Deuteronomy Mose’s law were influenced by Sumerians, Egyptian, Canaanite laws..but he tried to Reform them, invert them and Subvert. Ie Changing the laws of Ma’at and creating the 10 commandments instead. Coming out of Slavery, Moses Added new laws like the year of jubilee which reset all debt and slavery, He also made slavery illegal unless during war or with signed contract and within ones community and most times family members and considered family. He also reformed policies saying you can’t kill slaves, something he was guilty of himself. Also slaves couldn't owe from the Fathers debt (unless a political enemy). Major reforms. He However did allow beatings, death, kicked out of the camp or repayment for crimes such as bestiality, adultery, theft, etc however beatings were for civil law. There are no prisons back then. After Moses writes the laws he notices that every time they are broken. And his 613 laws are incomplete. He concludes that a new covenant and heart is needed and laws won't help. See Dr. Micheal Heiser's works. From there the Oral law came. The Oral law added more restrictions to complete the law of Moses. The Law of Moses allowed things polygamy etc and The Oral laws would have heavier restrictions and over rode the commandments of Moses. Romans Conquered the Jews and the Jews tried to change one Roman law and they were destroyed.Christians came on the scene and instead of adding more laws, instead focused on the idea of Spirit. If you felt like something was wrong or someone else did, that could override the laws as well. Paul was Roman Citizen, however Jewish to, and at times a slave for money. He couldn’t write Laws against the Roman Authority or he would be executed as a traitor. He wrote laws, Like love your spouse when they are wrong which was juxtaposed to the Roman law if the woman is wrong, kill her. He wrote a lot of things that subverted or bluntly inverted Roman law and practices. Giving power and respect to women and slaves, slaves should be treated above their masters even. Paul didn’t last long and him and all of his followers were executed for a couple different reasons. Neither did Jesus who also tried subverting both Roman and Jewish law. Paul, Moses, Jesus, Hillel were all huge culture reformers but they did so through subversion and tried to get minor wins in cultures where they were literally slaves. See Ph.D. Tom Wright Saying Moses, Paul, Hillel, Jesus didn’t do enough for fixing slavery, is like saying Dr. Martin Luther King shouldn't be listened to because he didn't stop police brutality. Literally all the Christians and Jews were killed in two-three wars trying to change Roman Culture alone. Around 100 CE Judaism and Christianity evolved they were pretty much all against slavery, tried bring equality and religious freedoms. This led to war and many died. Eventually around 300 CE Rome Converts to Christianity and slavery would become illegal Around 1200 C.E. + For 900 years Christianity had outlawed Slavery and replaced it with Serfdom. However slavery would come back changed Transatlantic Slave Trade. Both Christians and Jews tried to stop slavery. Jews were in fact have very little evidence participating in it. However by 1600s it would become rampant. For two reasons below. A Group of uneducated Christians justify slavery because of Curse of Ham interpretations of the Bible. However another group Christians called this bad scholarship and fought them and tried stopping slavery. Bad Science is called “evolutionary racism”. It taught from 1600s to 1950s that Africans were the most uncivilized and dumb of all races. This "scientific fact" did an extreme amount of damage. In the 1950s all of science and religion agree Curse of Ham and Evolutionary Racism were just used by Racists. Science and Religion reject them and move on. But it still lingers on. Religion changes over time just like Science. Both Christians and Jews believe slavery were wrong for over 2000 years. Read the NT, Midrash, Talmud etc. A lot of the Bible like the shows: “Game of Thrones” or “The Watchmen.” It tells stories with high amounts of violence, rape, slavery. However, it never portrays it as good, instead a curse that needs to be faced head on or subverted. If the video doesn't cover these topics it is being deceitful or lacks rigor. It doesn't discuss any major points of this huge topic. Very poor video. Hope that helps.

[@FieldMarshall3]

Exodus 21:20-21 "Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property" People who deny that the bible advocates for slavery are either uninformed or just lying. There is no other option.

[@CCP-Lies]

They'll use a strawman argument like "what about X religion?"

[@ignorantmisanthrope]

"It's taken out of context"

[@isaacthegoat1432]

@@ignorantmisanthropeHe should have read the following verses.

[@OrlandoMGarcia]

Or the classic, is the Old Testament and should be treated like a word from other time/myth or the rules of a God you should fear, you should read thr new testament since is the law of god reformed.

[@isaacthegoat1432]

@@OrlandoMGarcia No one has said that.

[@sensen4161]

"christians"? *triggered* Comments? *a war zone* People? *mad* Hotel? *Trivago*

[@sensen4161]

@Mr. Davidson is your pfp the guys who didnt like musicals,,?

[@proculusjulius7035]

This comment started World War V 😂😂😂😂

[@gq_barry]

Ugh

[@DickDickstein]

Oddly enough, everything has come full circle in the last 5-10 years. Religion is barely even a consideration, but all the people that went on to become "woke" in atheism+ are the ones who have lost all sense of reason. It's quite fascinating to have witnessed honestly. The old Christian busy bodies have been replaced by busy bodies of another sort. A sort that took us backwards 100 years in how they want to treat others. Creating racial tension that they manufactured for political and power grabs. Once again, here we are at the next phase of the Marxist playbook. Trading a faith in a religious ideology for one based in an authoritarian dogma of a political nature. IT's rather impressive that in a time where we have access to more information, more accessible witnesses to history, philosophy, etc. that so many have still fallen into the same old trap that has been thrown down right in front of them like it has in so many other fallen nations in just the industrialized era. We really are still this dumb.

[@ChannelMath]

@@DickDickstein do you count actual white supremacists among those "Creating racial tension that they manufactured for political and power grabs." ?

[@hydroids]

obviously the bible just doesn't say what's written in it. If it says anything seemingly uncivilized, all you have to do is claim it doesn't say that, or the way that it's stated in the bible actually makes it totally fine. makes perfect sense if you agree not to think about it.

[@AmbrosiaDreamWeaver]

this is why, even though I'm not christian, I try to keep up on relevant bible verses so I can shove it in their faces when they say it isn't there... they still try not to look though...

[@coolmzn226]

I just say to myself that the bible was written by a bunch of different people and translated from mulltiple ancient languages to the language we read it in now, Hell, Moses even got HORNS when the bible was translated into latin.

[@hydroids]

coolmzn226 Moses was totally brutal dude

[@johnmorris2170]

hydroids The Islamic Koran says worse regarding slavery. And Muslim Arabs were taking black people from Africa as slaves long time before the Atlantic Slave Trade.

[@TheRealG2024]

It's called cognitive dissonance.

[@DamarisJohnsonnakomiah]

I hate how theists make special pleading for slavery in the bible. The right to own a person is WRONG!

[@kenny9582]

true.

[@admiraldaye]

+Ebony Atheist WELL AFRICANS NEVER HAD A RELGION TIL EUROPEANS FORCED IT ON THEM>>>THEY USE MEDITATION OR VOODOO TO CONNECT THEIR PINEAL GLAND WITH THE UNIVERSE>>>THE EGYPTIAN GOT IT FROM SOUTHERN WESTERN AFRICA>>AUTHOR: MICHAEL TELLINGER >>BOOK>TEMPLES OF THE AFRICAN GODS...................PS KZbin:SANETER TV

[@DamarisJohnsonnakomiah]

david Truth Yeah I read about that.. Thanks for the info

[@admiraldaye]

its good

[@geraldbennett7035]

+Ebony Atheist You reject Gods decisions and standards but offer only your own standards; based on what? Nazis did not believe there was anything wrong with death camps. There standards were not from God but from man. After all if not God's rules then yours?

[@LUMIN69]

Hey NonStampCollector, your videos have helped me a lot these past three years. My younger sister passed away from cancer, and my mom kind of forced us the religious route claiming it would help us process our grief. That suprisingly didn’t end up helping at all, no matter how much I prayed the hole in my heart was never filled and the urge to hurt my self never went away. On January 1st, the two year anniversary of my sisters passing I planned to take my own life, and I was fed up with the Christian ‘method’ that only seemed to make things worse and paint me as the problem. I ended up not doing it, not because of some divine intervention, but because I cared about my mother. Over this past year videos like yours have helped me think critically and really see why Catholicism and Christianity don’t work. I thank you for that. Soon I hope to come out to my mom, not just about my atheism, but about the self harm and suicide attempt. Because that’s the only true way to heal. Thank you.

[@redplayerya]

Thank you for sharing internet stranger. I do appreciate it.

[@er5976]

I hope you're doing better now.

[@AngryBeaver60]

The Bible -Man's textbook on mass murder, genocide, slavery and other atrocities.

[@chainezo]

U forgot to say that there is much more like incest, rape so many more things i dont even want to make a list here

[@cbbuntz]

Firo Prochainezo Don't forget cannibalism! Always a crowd pleaser!

[@chainezo]

***** we should stop before we start going into details

[@cbbuntz]

Firo Prochainezo Don't worry. It's holy cannibalism.

[@cmpunk2813]

+Debbie Bee Yep.

[@cthulhu4607]

i was raised christian.. my father is a southern baptist pastor and the kindest person ive ever known my grandfather was a southern baptist pastor and my extensive knowledge of scripture makes this all very devastating and can bring me to tears at times having said all that thank u for putting this out there its tremendously cathartic for me

[@lauterunvollkommenheit4344]

You can still be a Christian and recognize that the Bible contains terrible things. You don't need to equate God with a book.

[@sundayoliver3147]

@@lauterunvollkommenheit4344 We also don't have to equate god with any particular religion, although if it's comforting and you can do it honestly, sure. I think it's tough to deny or be appalled by the text a religion is based on, and still be in that religion.

[@lauterunvollkommenheit4344]

​@@sundayoliver3147 I suppose it depends on the person how they deal with such things.

[@dxcSOUL]

​@@lauterunvollkommenheit4344honestly it depends on the flexibility of your mental gym and your willingness to delude yourself. Truth is often painful. Ignorance is bliss.

[@dopaminecloud]

@@lauterunvollkommenheit4344 Yeah. People are very good with turning a blind eye to the horrendous pain caused by certain institutions if they find benefit in it in the end.

[@kemocali6504]

the bible does speak on slavery as if it's cool to own slaves.

[@geraldbennett7035]

+KEMO Cali again fool. Remove the chip from your shoulder and maybe you wont be so miserable

[@kemocali6504]

Gerald Bennett Who said I was miserable? But again also proves why I I'm not a BELIEVER because the very first thing you did was JUDGE me by saying I'm "miserable". I'm HAPPY for your information, THANKS 😃

[@kemocali6504]

Gerald Bennett Dude, have you read that bible verse? How do you really feel about that?

[@BanditoBurrito]

+KEMO Cali Yeah, pretty funny how Christian's are supposed to be forgiving and not judgmental and all you have to do is scroll down and watch them doing just that.

[@kemocali6504]

Bandit I noticed the other guy 👆never did answer my question. How do you feel about Slavery being excerpted in the bible? I guess God didn't have answer for that.

[@AyakMajok-l9m]

@ 3:04 *Outlawing Slavery* Angels: “Well, lord, you abolished cross-dressing a minute ago, don’t you think that slavery is equally detestable?” god: “Eh it’s tricky isn’t it?” Angels: “Emm not really, lord, in fact, these sinful, fallen humans will outlaw it themselves eventually” …. 😂😂😂😂

[@BarracudaProd1234]

People, the bottom line is that owning other individuals as property is morally wrong, and no matter how you twist the words, the Bible clearly states that the Israelites have the okay from Yahweh to do this. I would assume that most people here are not Israelites. If you lived back in those times, it would be okay for them to physically own you as property. Still sound like a moral commandment from a compassionate, divine entity? *There is a reason why we do not practice these barbaric traditions anymore.*

[@9432515]

If you are in debt...have a car payment or credit card etc...you are a possession of the creditor. It’s a legal term...has a legal definition. Look it up. Whatever is stipulated within the contract, is the degree of control the creditor has over you. Choose to borrow from the mob...they own your ass quite seriously in THEIR rules and contract. Borrow from chase bank...not so much. But a legally binding contract...is still legal possession as it says. Read and learn something dude.

[@LM-jz9vh]

@@9432515 The bible allows you to own and beat slaves as long as they don't die within a couple of days. Learn where the fictional Abrahamic god originated from. The Israelite religion evolved out of the Canaanite religion. Yahweh was some minor deity from the southern Levant who over time took on the imagery and attributes of the older mythical Canaanite deities El and Baal. He only became the one "true" god when some Yahweh only Israelites pushed that agenda. Jews and Arabs Descended from Canaanites - Biblical Archaeology Society www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/ancient-cultures/ancient-near-eastern-world/jews-and-arabs-descended-from-canaanites/ Dr Christine Hayes who lectures on the Hebrew Bible at Yale University outlines this in lecture 7 from 30 min onwards. kzbin.info/www/bejne/npC4nqh7d9KGa80 Also, inscriptions were found in the form of blessings, referencing Yahweh and his Asherah. Asherah was originally the wife of the Canaanite deity El, so the merging of Yahweh with El is obvious. www.seeker.com/amphtml/gods-wife-edited-out-of-the-bible-almost-1766083399.html You can also watch Pagan Origins of Judaism that outlines this as well. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHamlq2DjtqabsU Also watch Atheism: A History of God (A) by a former Christian. kzbin.info/www/bejne/g53Rn4qYoLKfmMk

[@ajstevens1652]

@hunting atheists 1. If you are in debt to someone, you are their DEBTOR, not possession. 2. Contract terms stipulate the obligations between the parties. Terms that conflict with the law are not legally valid, whether they have been signed or not. 3. Being someone's creditor does not give you 'control' over their person. Thus, your analogy is a terrible one, but one I would expect from someone lacking critical thinking skills.

[@9432515]

@@ajstevens1652 Ah I see. You’re a lazy shit that didn’t look up the definition of possession. It’s all that I said and much more accurate to what the Bible describes. Legal definition is DEGREE of control. It’s legally binding til paid off. In short, a creditor is someone who lends money while a debtor is someone who owes money to a creditor. ... Had you read the Bible you hate so much... You’d have noticed it’s ALL about that debt getting paid off. In the Old Testament God buys the slave..to then turn loose, Deut 29.10-15. That’s exactly what the New Testament fulfills when Christ (God) paid the price for all in bondage...DEBT bondage.. and set them free, physically and spiritually. Multiple examples of servants being freed after their debt paid off. The Jubilee is nothing more than debt cancellation. What more do you need?? Look..I’ll make easy for you. It’s the difference between the words possession and ownership. Can you figure that out? Do some research. You need it. Ever hear of the phrase ‘possession is nine tenths of the law?” That’s talking about that difference, spelling it out for you actually. And the Bible says possession. It’s exactly as the Israelites were commanded to go on and possess the land. They didn’t own it. Follow? There’s a difference. Possession is degree of control. Slavery is full control. That was prohibited, Ex21.16

[@NeverbitFG]

who cares about the "debtor" definition? They were called "slaves", not debters in the Bible. And the word "slaves" literally is a double standard in the Bible - means 2 different things (Israelites = debtors / Foreigners = property), but uses the same word. That's a substitution of concepts. (Slaves from Israel = debtors. Slaves from foreing countries = slaves. Hence, I will be a sneaky snitch and replace: slaves from foreign countries = debtors. No one will surely notice!). Cause you really, REALLY wish those enslaved foreigners were debtors, just like their Israel equivalent. But. They. Weren't.

[@cramerfloro5936]

"... it's tricky, isn't it?" -God

[@TheLegendOfRandy]

I've been debating slavery with my Christian friend recently and it's breaking my heart hearing a kind, loving individual defend _SLEVERY._ It hurts to see someone you love so deluded that they have to defend owning human beings as property because, "the Bible says so..."

[@scotte4765]

It's because acknowledging the Bible's obvious approval of slavery would be a fatal crack in the edifice of his/her worldview. He or she realizes, at some level, the implications of what you're pointing out, that the Bible is inherently immoral, and that therefore either God is also immoral or else the Bible didn't come from God. Accepting any one of these is potentially an end to much of what he or she believes as a Christian, which in turn may have devastating effects on his or her family and social network, to say nothing of his or her sense of identity and purpose in life. For deeply indoctrinated believers, it's an enormously fearsome prospect.

[@rickwrites2612]

Most christians I know just dont try to defend or apply the old testament at all.

[@Turner-ex4yd]

I am Christian and I'm also against slavery but id like to say I can see why so many people did it. Look at greece for example there economy was built on slaves but look what it did for them they where some of the most successful people of there time and since a lot of the work was taken up by slave labor you had people who had time for philosophy. But I do think slave labor is wrong.

[@ChosingGod]

Actually, one big reason churches, mosques, and synagogues whitewash, water down and outright lie and deny horrific slavery, female abduction, young virgin slavery, murder of all males, no matter what age, lot giving up his daughters to be raped and killed for the lives of two strangers, a priest who gives up his concubine or sex slave, to be giving over to men in an wicked city, to be raped and killed. There is big business in keeping the flock blinded, ignorant, brain washed to any sensibility, just to maintain power and steady flow of billions, if not trillions of dollars. AMEN!!!!!😢

[@Huhu0137]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@Turner-ex4ydwell, it’s not loving for sure. Someone who defends slavery is clearly voicing as the beneficiary in the situation, it gave grand benefits to a few nation's wealth, while destroying the others. Lots of countries are still recovering from this history. Everyone can see why some people defend a cruel deed for their own good, it's just like a robber lies for their own. It’s not so deep.

[@erenjager4698]

I've been checking the verses as they pop up, and it's all spot on. Great content.

[@stuartshepherd2999]

Great message Non Stamp Collector. You have exposed how ridiculous the Bible laws are. I always hear Christians speak about morality and hold the Bible up as the standard for morality. But is the Bible the standard of morality in our modern culture here in the USA? I say NO...the Bible is not our standard of morality. The God of the Bible endorsed slavery....we do not practice slavery. The God of the Bible endorsed genocide...we do not. The God of the Bible treats women as second class citizens....we do not. The God of the Bible endorses a Monarchy....we are a Democracy. The God of the Bible endorses death for Homosexuals and Heretics....we do not. The God of the Bible is prejudiced against the handicapped....we make every effort to accommodate the needs of the handicapped. I suppose if I thought a little more I would think of more immoral practices of the God of the Bible

[@geraldbennett7035]

+Stuart Shepherd you are so clueless

[@stuartshepherd2999]

Gerald Bennett I spent more than 60 years studying the Bible. I know. Do you get it? Or are you just brainwashed?

[@stuartshepherd2999]

Have Christians noticed that Ben Carson is a seventh day Adventist? Carson's beliefs are at odds with traditional Christian beliefs.

[@mismindles]

+Stuart Shepherd We notice. But is any president going to represent anyone's beliefs to the T? No. a lot of Christiasn would not vote for Romney because he was Mormon. Some won't vote for a Catholic or an evangelical. So we can either pick a person we think best represents the American spirit or abstain from voting. Given those two choices, I will go with the former. Not that I have made up my mind about who I am voting for with so many choices but no one could say Carson isn't one of the most kind people on Earth because that guy is almost TOO nice. I know quite a bit about what the 7th day Adventists believe since they put out thousands of videos on KZbin plus I recently read a book by some 7th day Adventist-I forgot the name, but I wouldn't say I'm an expert, but I don't find them at odds with the Bible as much as some evangelicals. If going by his fruit, I'd say Carson is doing a lot better than most people who claim to be Christians. Sometimes I read what other people who claim to be "Christians" write in these comment sections and I actually take the time to apologize for the belligerence and disrespect. That is something you'd never have to do for Carson.

[@stuartshepherd2999]

mismindles Have you noticed Carson has said some strange things recently?

[@DodderingOldMan]

The Bible is so ludicrously ridiculous, making fun of it is kind of like shooting fish in a barrel (uh, to use a tired old cliche). So I have to give you much credit for actually making this stuff genuinely amusing. Good stuff :)

[@rexevans100]

Leave enough monekys in a room, and give them enough time, they will write the bible.

[@rvapes5912]

No they won't because evolution doesn't work backwards.

[@rexevans100]

RVapes Actua;lly evolution works in anyways if need be. Its not a line leading to the "most evolved organism." its more of a web, where creatures can die out due to natural selection, and come back much later.

[@mikepublic111]

T SexyRexy -- What creatures have ever come back from extinction?

[@gootmanboats3864]

T SexyRexy They will probably all die before they finish writing it, though. The bible is proof that God exists.

[@rexevans100]

All the bible is, is a compilation of a bunch of letters sent to churches and written by saints, high priests and other high ranking religious officials. All the bible is proof of is that a bunch of people took the time to write a bunch of fantastical stories and try to persuade a bunch of easily manipulated idiots into believing them.

[@The_Atheist_Carpenter5625]

Perfect satire of how this argument always goes. Bring up the issue with foreign slaves, get apologetics about the Israelites had to treat EACH OTHER, over and over and over and over and over again they dodge the issue and talk past the other person about irrelevant things. This is perfect🤘

[@samsonlovesyou]

Possibly the funniest atheist video I've seen on KZbin. I love the personification of the Bible in the wildly irrational brat of a God.

[@elephystry]

samsonlovesyou The only reason Christians believe what the Holy Bible says is because it says it is trustworthy, and predicted that there will be atheists - because who wouldn't expect ridiculous claims to be challenged?

[@SNORKYMEDIA]

@@elephystry it predicted the fall of Tyre- Tyre still there

[@justice8718]

Because King Saul had a good time sparing a nation God demanded to be smited. Just like the guy who did the same thing, Jezebel’s husband, later on.

[@joeoquinn3125]

you videos are wonderful. a light-hearted spin on a frighteningly discusting ideology

[@elephystry]

Joe O'Quinn *disgusting

[@Cadrieldur]

"Yeah, see, it's tricky, isn't it"

[@annaclarafenyo8185]

The tricky part is to make the emancipation viral. Once the slaves convert to Judaism, they are free. Then they might buy slaves, who convert, and are freed. This is how the end of slavery happened historically, before the modern era.

[@a.t.l.a.s360]

Your videos, being 10 years old, are some of the most convincing and funny stuff I’ve watched in a LONG time

[@HER0_]

Aged like fine wine

[@Zero-ei8jn]

It's good to see people still watch these old videos.

[@IscBluelifeform]

@@Zero-ei8jn But it is kinda sad, when you think the reason many people see these old videos is because they keep finding themselves in these sort of arguments, like you'd think the world would have moved on and no one would keep on defending slavery after a certain point. It's a bit disappointing.

[@dariusbrawl3759]

Got to 5:30 before realizing when it was made

[@tobes4042]

Writing a letter to my parents on why i’m leaving christianity and your channel is an absolute goldmine👍

[@erl7466]

dude you’re brilliant. i’ve never been a believer, and this is exactly how those people have seemed to me. they make no sense, and they literally contradict themselves mid sentence. nice work as always.

[@ConsciousExpression]

What's amazing about this video is the sheer number of Christians in the comment section not only doing the exact same thing the video makes fun of, but on top of that, DEFENDING SLAVERY. Yes, Christians, indentured servitude is, and ALWAYS HAS BEEN slavery. It's just slavery by a different name. It exists even still to this day, and it's horrible, and the people who do it are horrible people. For example, there are countless Indian families who are enslaved as brick makers, down to the little children, for bills they incurred a decade or more ago. And that's just an example from off the top of my head. These people can't read or write, typically, and so they just have to take the slave master's word for it that they still are slaves and haven't paid off their debt. Totally fair right? Because, big shock incoming, SLAVERS AREN'T MORAL PEOPLE. Owning people as property corrupts everything about human relations, and always, inevitably, without exception, leads to suffering and abuse. No, Christians. The era the bible was written in was not magically "different" for slaves. And no, indentured servitude is not OK. And never was.

[@allanshepard938]

The old testament is Jewish ^_^

[@ConsciousExpression]

@@allanshepard938 Why are you sock-puppeting that comment in every thread? The old testament is also Christian. And the subject of the matter is whether the bible condones slavery. It does. In both the old and new testaments.

[@allanshepard938]

@@ConsciousExpression Heh, fair point the fools known as Christians did adopt that abominable religion. But the fact is the old testament was created by the Jewish religion (often referred to as the Torah). Now is it not odd that the the majority of the comment section of this video and other videos criticizing the bible (and rightfully so) focus on the Christians, who merely adopted the Torah. And VERY rarely ever direct that criticism at the group that created the damn thing in the first place!? AM I REALLY THE ONLY ONE THAT THINKS THAT'S ODD?

[@allanshepard938]

​@@ConsciousExpression And yes bringing up the fact that the old testament originates from the Jewish religion does matter because (as the video explains) the old testament only condones slavery of none-Jews! Which in my opinion is a far more pertinent and interesting subject in the old testament. Don't you think that's interesting? ^_^

[@allanshepard938]

@@ConsciousExpression What you and others that like you are doing is focusing on the simple minded gullible imbeciles that join a cult and completely ignore the originators of the cult and pretend they are of no consequence!

[@gspendlove]

There is no better way on earth to tell truth than through satire. Aside from the truthfulness of this video, it's one of the funniest things I've ever seen on YT. You've got a new subscriber. The people that defend slavery in the bible, no matter how they go about doing it, do so for one reason: they can't stand the thought of their book being wrong or flawed in any way. In their eyes, the book represents their god's morality, so it has to be perfect. It's true what AronRa says: they don't worship their god as much as they worship their book. If their book is wrong, that means their god is wrong, and so is their religion. Perish the thought! That's why they'll defend the rightness of everything their book has to say, no matter what.

[@jestertycoon700]

gspendlove also because god projects hus word through the book.. so it's not like theres a choice of if the book is wrong so is god argu ment

[@GamerGuy51]

You must not buy and sell people LOL 😂😂😂😂 smh. God is not real....lol, c'mon smart people....

[@sonicrocks2007]

Same with athiests. What is funny is athiests criticism of Jewish relience on Foriegn work but they treat their Foriegn workers much worse.

[@sonicrocks2007]

@@animax2422 I like how that is completely off topic.

[@sonicrocks2007]

@@animax2422 yes. If you ever shopped at amazon, walmart, ebay, h&m, Nike, Apple, Android, Starbucks or owned a computer or ate rice you treated Foreign workers worse. Remember in bibical law. Foriegn workers have to be extended the right to convert to that nation, and have their debt forgiven if they do. Do you extended freedom to enslaved children or workers from Foriegn nations for your iphone? No. Can a citizen of the US or UK accumulated more than 7 years of debt? Is it forgiven after then? No. Much worse.

[@lawrenceeason8007]

In the bible: 1. You can buy human beings 2. You can own them as property 3. You can beat them as long as they don't die within a day or two 4. You can pass them down as property to your children 5. You can own them forever Leviticus 25:44 “ ‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly." It is extremely noteworthy that the bible admits, in verse 46, that what it is advocating for non Hebrew slaves is RUTHLESS. The bible admits it! Here we see in Leviticus 25 that you can purchase slaves from the heathen around you. They can be kept for life and passed down to your kids as property. In Exodus 21, Hebrew MALE slaves are to be released after 6 years. But there is a loophole. If the master marries his slave, and then after the 6 years the wife/kids of the slave are the masters. If the slave doesn't wish to leave his family then the slave becomes his property for life and his ear is pierced with an aul marking him. We see in Deuteronomy that forced labor was condoned: Deuteronomy 20:10-15 “When you draw near to a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. 11 And if it responds to you peaceably and it opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labor for you and shall serve you. 12 But if it makes no peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it. 13 And when the Lord your God gives it into your hand, you shall put all its males to the sword, 14 but the women and the little ones, the livestock, and everything else in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as plunder for yourselves. And you shall enjoy the spoil of your enemies, which the Lord your God has given you. 15 Thus you shall do to all the cities that are very far from you, which are not cities of the nations here." Exodus 21 also describes that you can beat your slaves as long as they don't die within a couple of days. They are property and there is no punishment for beating them. None. This is not moral In Exodus 21, Hebrew slaves were to be let go after 6 years. That is the males...females can be kept forever. If the master marries the Hebrew slave, and in the 7th year the Hebrew slave won't leave his wife and children, then the slave will be the masters forever and his ear will be pierced by an aul. He will be marked. Also, the slave can be beaten as long as he doesn't die within a couple of days. Good stuff In Exodus 21 you can sell your daughter as a slave. For sex no doubt, otherwise why would this text focus on the daughter? And female slaves would not be released as the male slaves are. No doubt many took advantage of this horrible passage: Exodus 21:7-11 7 “When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. 8 If she does not please her master, who has designated her[a] for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has broken faith with her. 9 If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her as with a daughter. 10 If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or her marital rights. 11 And if he does not do these three things for her, she shall go out for nothing, without payment of money." 1 Peter 2:18-20 18 "Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. 19 For it is commendable if someone bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because they are conscious of God. 20 But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God." The bible condones severe beatings: Luke 12:47-48 47 And that servant who knew his master's will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating. This is wretched and immoral

[@iactuallydontknowwhatimtal4569]

Wow good arguments! I read all those passages and maybe you may want to look at the context for them. I know I know... Somehow asking for context is a crime when you're an atheist. (Not referring to you, there's a video of his called context where he makes fun of christians who ask for context when an atheist reads a scriptures in a way that's misleading). Seriously, though! I don't want to assume anything, but these arguments are tired and old. They have long since been debunked and I can guide you through the process holding your hand or you can do a quick Google search of all the times the Bible mentions slavery... The choice is yours, really! Although, again not trying to assume, I figured you have already read the passages I refer to and have skimmed passed them for sake of a hatred of christians and God. I understand that. You're hate could rightfully be placed there, but it's just not a sound argument you're making here, I don't care who you are. So here's some context. Read Exodus 21 16, Deuteronomy 23 15, Ephesians 6 9, Leviticus 25 26-end of chapter, the parable of the Good Samaritan, and those are off the top of my head. You get the point, there's just so much good stuff refuting the idea of a pro slavery God. Also, while we're on the subject you should know definitions. When it talked about servants in the Bible it refers to payed workers, mostly Israelites. When it talks about slaves it refers to individuals from other nations that had a serious debt that they could not pay and willfully offered there life as a slave. Slaves were not to be mistreated include permanent damage and threats. The were not to be kidnapped into slavery Exodus 21 16. They were to be released every 15 years on the Jubilee. When the Bible talked about slaves, they were not the same as Israelite servants. I hope this helps you!

[@lawrenceeason8007]

@@iactuallydontknowwhatimtal4569 No it's not debunked at all. Show me where it says "paid workers" when in the "context" of slaves. The fact is that in the quoted Leviticus 25:44 slavery is specifically defined. 1. You can buy slaves 2. You can own them as property (#1 & #2 are all you need for actual slavery. To own a person as property is in fact slavery) 3. You can pass them down to your children 4. You can own them forever No it's not debunked at all. And of course there are more passages that define and condone slavery. The bible never condemns slavery. This is a huge moral flaw in the bible. The fact that I could write a better bible...writing everything in it only omitting the slavery passages and actually condemning slavery...is proof that the bible is not inspired by a god. If it was then I couldn't improve it. Of course there is much more...like this god commanding the slaughter of babies and children as well.

[@kizzyisdead5545]

@@iactuallydontknowwhatimtal4569 then surely everyone who's not an Israelite could be subjected to slavery. Even if you believe whole heartedly you will never be the chosen people that the Bible specifically mentions. The Bible isn't yours or for you. None of it, at all. But that's just my take

[@iactuallydontknowwhatimtal4569]

@@lawrenceeason8007 Oh, you asked a good question! BUT it is indeed already debunked... Everywhere it takes about slaves, it doesn't refer to the Jews. The Israelites were never called slaves in any passages about what the Jews should do with their slaves. Also, you can't own them forever, read on. It's clearly states that slaves are to be released on the Jubilee Sorry to say, your arguments are really just futile, for they are built on morality. You have no real standard for objective morality as an atheist. Your beliefs in moral relativism make atheism the morally regressive of the two. Anyway, I hope that answer makes sense to you!

[@iactuallydontknowwhatimtal4569]

@@kizzyisdead5545 Well, there's the other thing... These laws are not the same anymore, for we have the new covenant with God. He has written on your heart, what is good and what is bad. We are all now the chosen people of God according to his new covenant!

[@GOD-vy8mv]

Some of these Christians give me a headache.

[@R3tr0v1ru5]

+GOD Some?

[@GOD-vy8mv]

Deathbyblackhole I should correct that to most. I have encountered intelligent, none preachy christians believe it or not.

[@R3tr0v1ru5]

GOD Yeah, but even they give me a headache.

[@GOD-vy8mv]

Deathbyblackhole then you're intolerant. You can't group an entire population together because some or even most of them are bad. Thats close minded and unfair.

[@GospelOfThomasMcSwain]

+GOD Would you like me to enslave him, my Lord?

[@Chris-uu5we]

I had this same immensely frustrating discussion with someone the other day. For anyone that thinks the characters in these videos are just caricatures... I'm afraid they are strikingly accurate for too many people. If you still doubt it, I present to you: the comments section!

[@Sinclairelim]

This comment section is golden.

[@grahvis]

I recently had a long argument with someone who flatly refused to recognise the verses in Leviticus.

[@rajrigby8385]

Watching in 2024, 9:54 hits hard

[@MrPapernumberDGG]

Clearly you’re talking about what’s going on in china and not the popular lie that your idols Hasan and cenk have fed you?

[@Damnnnbruh]

Israel in 2024:

[@spineo2387]

"What do you mean apartheid isn't democratic? All Israeli citizens get to ...."

[@tpl608]

Palestinians never accepting UN decision. Have the hostages been released?

[@haydhda]

What is most funny about the way God is portrayed here, is that he isn't portrayed as a rage filled impulsive lunatic. Rather he is depicted as detached and delusional, thinking and truly believing he is some sort of loving patient deity, when he actually thinks insane shit. It's pretty funny.

[@S.D.323]

maybe hes a schizophrenic deity?

[@Aaron-mj9ie]

What he gets wrong is that the angels could not talk back AT ALL. God's cruelty knows no end and knows no opposition.

[@Utopian1234]

5:13 This is EXACTLY the conversation I was having with my family at dinner about the slavery verse in Leviticus

[@wellingtonalmeida2662]

Can’t wait for them to get to the “if you beat a servant and they die, you shall be punished for it; however, if they do not die in 2 days, the master shall not be punished as the servants are his property and money” ~ or whatever the hell is written in there

[@billyjacobs190]

God: "Whoopsie. I commited genocide again. It's really hard not to do this."

[@margaretbarrett7469]

Jonathan J Hammersticks Brilliant!

[@mikeharrison1868]

Super easy, barely an inconvenience!

[@Lenci_the_Nugget]

I love this so much. Recently I've been having conversations that sound exactly like this with Christian friends because I'm deconstructing over issues like this. Thank you.

[@gabrieljordan8015]

Reading the Bible as a child compared to when I read it as adult definitely started changing my views.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Well, you can BEQUEATH them and beat them though. And the rules sharply distinguished between non Hebrews and Hebrews...

[@gabrieljordan8015]

@Dave - seriously dude- stop trying to tap dance around this issue. I think it's sick this kind of shit was drilled in my head as a child and it took me forever to finally figure it out for myself that the Bible is one fucked up book.

[@gitgudnga]

@Dave Rodriguez u realise u said nothing about selling a man into slavery that had been defeated in war or has been forced

[@gitgudnga]

@Dave Rodriguez u realise the Atlantic slave trade was the same slavery methods and most slaves weren’t kidnapped yet sold

[@sundayoliver3147]

@@gitgudnga Not to mention female sex slaves.

[@afterthought3776]

I just want to thank you for making this video and continuing to reply to comments years later ❤

[@adicawidasuparman9144]

"neither slavery or involuntary servitude shall exist on earth" so it's okay in space, then?

[@NonStampCollector]

Ah! A loophole.

[@jorenvanderark3567]

Adicawida Suparman Yes.

[@edwardkenway5064]

or as a punishment for a crime (like in the U.S where the justice system arrests a shit ton of minorities who also happen to be the same people who were slaves in the past, for drug charges for having a certain kind of naturally occurring plant on them, or having cocaine that was planted by the military in poor areas of cities to start a crack epidemic to have an excuse to beat and arrest them repeatedly, and throwing them in prison for 20 years to life, and then working them without pay and technically making them slaves while also profiting off of their misery with for-profit prison systems) another loophole

[@Ichabodcrane21]

Indentured servitude, indentured servitude, indentured fucking servitude.... I'm so tired of this excuse it obviously doesn't fit with the rules that were set forth for it it's obviously slavery. Then after that points been argued it becomes we'll that's part of their culture (as if god is a slave to a culture like mr magic omniscient man couldn't just say no and put an end to slavery). You can't reason with apologists.

[@andreafelix1256]

as a black person, I often get the feeling that God doesn’t care about me.

[@purple9030]

Well actually kidnapping slaves is bad in the Bible so technically he’s want black slaves free

[@trumpbellend6717]

@@purple9030 Nonsense

[@johnscaramis2515]

@@purple9030 Kidnapping slaves is bad? How else do you get slaves without kidnapping them? OK, you buy them. From someone who kidnapped them. Sorry to tell ya, take your comment and shove it where it came from: back to where the sun don't shine.

[@floptaxie68]

That’s actually because there are no gods taking care of anyone, so is not because you’re black

[@D-Reality]

Stop seeking outside approval.

[@MrPoepaytoeHed]

Idk if you still check out comments, but I come back to your videos pretty frequently because of how well they’re made. Really make the ole noggin work

[@TheLobsterCopter5000]

Poor Gabriel, having to put up with this crap all the time. I just wanna give him a hug, and tell him that we appreciate what he's doing.

[@tzarg]

the fucking "no wait hang on" section that happens for like a whole minute before he admits he's fine with slavery is SO GOOD DUDE 😭

[@mc4ndr3]

Anyone who claims Christianity provides a moral foundation has a poor understanding of the Bible.

[@padawannie]

Coming back to this video 3 years later just to comment that it was the very reason I became an atheist. Crazy to think I was a christian all my life before watching it, and just like that it made me realize how ridiculous that book is and how deranged is the christian God. Thanks to whoever made this, truly lifechanging stuff

[@NonStampCollector]

U serious? I'd love to hear more but replies get totally lost. Msg me on Twitter? @nonstampnsc

[@padawannie]

NonStampCollector I sent you a dm!

[@Farsadelcatolicismo]

OK but choose a better excuse this ain't it : Please read all the following: There are FOUR types of slavery mentioned in the bible...most videos that criticize Christianity, even apologist videos fail to address up to three of those. Addressing all of them is vital in order to understand biblical slavery. Now before addressing all this , let's establish right off the bat what slavery means. Slavery means to grab someone by force and sell such person to a stranger or a group that trades such people with NO BENEFIT TO THE SLAVE WHATSOEVER and a profit for the kidnapper. This is our typical deep south, American African plantation type slavery. This type of slavery (we'll call it type C) is CLEARLY FORBIDDEN IN THE BIBLE, under the death penalty www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2024%3A7&version=NIV Also here: www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+21%3A16&version=NIV These are the types of slavery: Type A: This is not necessarily slavery but voluntary servitude ..there is no kidnapping involved , a person that found himself/herself in hardships such as a famine or a great need without being able to cover it (such as a debt to a third party) had the option of seeking for a potential "master" that could cover the debt , then the person would become the temporary property of the "master" , this was done to guarantee the investment ..remember that the master sometimes had to pay up the wages of the slave UP FRONT to a family member or debtor. This practice was widely employed in ancient times here is proof that people sometimes sold themselves: www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2047%3A19&version=NIV Here it shows people selling themselves: biblehub.com/leviticus/25-47.htm This verse proves there was money paid upfront to the "slave" not his kidnapper, there was no kidnapping involved.. this money could be repaid to the master and the slave went free, this is called to "redeem" the slave, I'm gonna have to use the original Hebrew text because the translation has some changes that are erroneous, Hebrew is read backwards: biblehub.com/interlinear/leviticus/25-51.htm Type B slavery: This is also called CRIMINAL SLAVERY: This was reserved for criminals more precisely THIEVES. If you stole a bunch of cattle , sold it and then drank or gambled the money away and you got caught , you could be SOLD FOR YOUR THEFT as shown here: biblehub.com/exodus/22-3.htm Please be aware that CRIMINALS are not usually in the business of cooperating while being forced to work to pay restitution so they had to be kept on line by a little bit of flogging or harsh means depending on who bought these slaves, what was being bought was the DEBT the slave had...for example a guy owes 50 cattle ..he gets caught , a slave trader or someone willing to take the risk buys the slave for the price of 25 cattle, the "master" has made a profit and the original owner of the cattle gets at least half of what was stolen from him back. Here is the verse that allows this type of servitude in the bible: biblehub.com/exodus/22-3.htm Levitical Law protected even these criminal slaves from being beaten to death...they could be forced to work but could not be killed in the process. 4. The fourth type of servitude is ENTIRELY SPIRITUAL so I reserve that one for believers , I can elaborate further if needed just make the request. There is a lot of proof in the bible that servitude was voluntary or a result of owing money to someone and being unable to repay , here is an example I remember right out of my head: "The wife of a man from the company of the prophets cried out to Elisha, "Your servant my husband is dead, and you know that he revered the LORD. But now his creditor is coming to take my two boys as his slaves." 2 Kings 4:1 THIS PROVES THAT THE PERSON WASN'T JUST TAKEN TO SELL HIM OR SHE IN ORDER TO PROFIT FROM IT , THE SERVANT HAD ACQUIRED A DEBT THAT HAD TO BE PAID...THE ONLY THING THAT GUARANTEED DEBTS BACK THEN WAS A PERSONS BODY IF THAT WAS HIS ONLY POSSESSION. There is much more to this but I already went too long let me know if you have questions. Thanks for reading, please don't drink the kool-aid , these videos are very misleading and short in information. God bless and happy new Year

[@justice8718]

Slavery was seven years or less, and it was done under the law of the slave making the plead or causing a debt that must be paid (stealing or other crimes). You simply didn’t read the rules properly.

[@GiraffeCrab]

Love how you reference the biblical lines that refer to the specific content being communicated. Love it, good work.

[@belaireguy4117]

You would think the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show. Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 ) Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 ) In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong. The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 )

[@belaireguy4117]

Thinking about the oddity of these verses having a place in the NT really begs this question. Did the writers of these books really think that slavery would continue and remain through future generations especially in christianity? At least humanity has one victory. The verses keep in line with the whole mantra, obey, fear, shamed, disrespectful, and the best ones regarding severe and light punishment as if they differ somehow. Only light for one not knowing what they did wrong. Sounds great. Take care everyone. Have a great thankgiving and you too NSC. Thanks

[@holz_name]

belaireguy411 Like Christian think for future generations. Christians think that Jesus will come now any day and the Armageddon and the rapture will come. In a study of 2010 about 1/3 of US people think that Jesus will come in their lifetime*. 1/5 think it's probably. Do you expect them to think about major issues like environment or dept or what future generations will do and how they will judge them? Humanity will only win if that number will drop significantly; if the believe in resurrection and virgin births is on the same level as believing in astrology and palm reading. * www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/01/christ-second-coming-survey_n_2993218.html

[@jilliansmith7123]

belair: there realy was no Christianity YET in the new testament. They were all still Jews and Jesus himself was a jew. He didn't worship himself--but worshipped god, as did all jews. Christianity came much later, being finalized more or less for the first time in about 345 AD (CE?) by the Emperor Constantine in Istanbul when he called the Council of Niacea to order and they all voted and codified it. Of course, the invitees took months to get there, and were informed thei either voted the way Constantine wanted, or they'd be killed--if they agreed with I'm they would have a nice feast and a good visit. Hmmm. Guess what they did.

[@srfrg9707]

belaireguy411 And the new testament tells us to love our ennemy. The statment about slavery does not justify slavery, it tells us not to rebel with violence.

[@theomnidegenerate5236]

Λογος yes it does Dumbass if someone is a slave and you tell them not to rebel you are justifying slavery. the most moral thing you can tell someone who is a slave is to get out. is to leave. is to disobey. is to make yourself free by any means necessary and the fact that it says to obey your masters rather than bluntly just stating do not own slaves. which as you can see in the second Bible quote The original commentor gave above as you can clearly see “even if your master is a Christian” showing that Christians can have slaves rather than following that sentence up with saying if a Christian owns you he is not a true Christian for owning slaves is wrong instead it says to obey him further every single piece of context in both the old and New Testament or by themselves alone every bit of it screams the absolute justification through the word of God of slavery. the fact that your God does not have in the Bible anywhere Thal shall not own slaves and you have to make convoluted stretches of logic like because it says love your enemy therefore slavery is not OK which is complete bullshit and makes absolutely no sense since loving your enemy has Absolutely nothing to do with whether or not slavery is OK it’s a broad definition that in certain cases I would argue is Immoral to follow at times. this is why nobody would ever blame somebody for killing someone else in self-defense And the fact you can’t see that the Fact that nowhere in the Bible does it blatantly say slavery is not OK in anyway shape or form shows you in and of it’s self that the Bible Endorses slavery or that you’re god is so mentally fucking retarded even if he does exist that he’s too fucking stupid to just put that in there. thal shall not own another human being as property very simple.

[@dmcarden]

I'm not an atheist but wow.. um...just wow

[@fuzzywzhe]

If you're a Christian, just keep reading the Bible and don't just gloss over it - understand what it actually says - you'll at least change religions at the end. Basically, all the Abrahamic religions are the same though.

[@truth14ful]

fuzzywzhe So far I've read every word of the first 8 books of the Bible and I'm still a Christian.

[@fuzzywzhe]

Scott Calo Hmm, then maybe you've gone insane. You certainly don't have any sort of moral principles I would be comfortable with. What kind of monster would venerate and worship a psychopathic lunatic? Well - you. I can forgive ignorant Christians, I don't generally have a problem with them, but people like you... You're morally bankrupt and as a result scary, dangerous.

[@truth14ful]

fuzzywzhe First let me say: There are good reasons for everything God does. The laws he gave in the Old Testament he had good reason to give, and the actions he took he had good reason to take. God knows all of these reasons, the Jews in the Old Testament knew some of them, but now it's a couple thousand years later, in a completely different culture, different language, and imperfect knowledge of ancient history, and many of the reasons have been forgotten. Here's my own personal idea: We know that no slaves, foreign or Jewish, were to be mistreated. They were to be well cared for and protected in exchange for their work. So this form of servitude was a way for foreigners to become part of Jewish culture. They would be taken in by someone who was born and lived their whole lives in Jewish culture, who knew the customs and how to deal with other people there, and they would be assured of employment, food, shelter, etc. for life. Of course, this is just an idea; I don't know for sure why God does what he does. But if you think I'm morally bankrupt, let me ask you this: What is good without God? I'm not asking what keeps you from raping/murdering all you want, I'm sure you already do, and that amount is none. I'm asking, What i good without God? How can someone know what the best way to live their lives is? I believe good things are things that reflect God's character. Having justice is good; telling the truth is good; worshiping God is good. (Yes, God does all of these things.) So why do you believe things are good?

[@belaireguy4117]

I am not going to guess your gender but will address your sensitivity. I simply stated who I was with no guile whatsoever toward Atheists. I actually thank them for their assistance in me shedding my belief in this book and a hearty thanks at that. If you read all my posts that would be easily felt. I now have hope for all souls to continue on though I could simply be wrong. Everyone has their own truth and I now accept that and think it's great. God in my opinion also gave us a mind to use it. I am joyed that so many have including you without even knowing what your belief system is being if you have one. Take care and the best to you and yours over the holidays. Peace friend.

[@MichaelFerraro-bt4ig]

Dude, I love your channel, your delivery, your message, and your wavelength. 👍

[@MichaelFerraro-bt4ig]

I wonder if there’s any way I could inspire you to redirect your logic to help me prove that there is a “god” but he doesn’t care what people think, say, do, believe etc…. provided the world revolves around money?

[@maryrogers6316]

For those who think that foreign slaves were freed at the Jubillee or earlier I would like to re-post a response to someone below. I have analyzed the very verses he referenced in which he claimed that all slaves were freed at Jubillee (a Jewish event that took place every 50 years.) He also makes the claim that all slaves sold themselves into slavery if they were poor and could not find work. Here is Leviticus 25: 39-46 where is CLEARLY says that only HEBREW slaves were to be freed at Jubillee. I am going to break this passage down step by step so you can get a picture of what this law actually says: 1) Verse 39: If your fellow citizen becomes so poor that he must sell himself to you as a slave... Note the word "Citizen" (meaning Hebrew) NOT foreigner. 2) Verse 40:do not treat him as a slave. 40 Have him work for you as a hired hand, as an outsider might... The Hebrew slave is not to be treated as a slave unlike foreign slaves ) Verses 40 (continued) and 41: until the year of jubilee. 41 Then he and his children will be released from your service, and he will return to his family and to the property that belonged to his ancestors. This is confirmation that these verses are talking about Hebrews since this was a custom at Jublilee for them to be able reclaim lands that they had to sell in the past. 4) Verses 42-43: After all, they are My servants; I led them out of Egypt so they must never be sold as slaves. 43 You are not allowed to treat them badly. Instead fear your God. More confirmation that these passages are referring to Jews. Jews had special rights that the foreignors did not. 5) 44-45 On the other hand, you may acquire slaves, both men and women, from the nations surrounding you 45 and from the outsiders who live among you. This passage to me is a pretty murky since it does not say whether or not these people actually sold themselves into slavery. It does not say either way. 6) verse 45 (continued) You can acquire their family members who have been born in the land. Now THIS is more specific. Foreignors were allowed to sell their own FAMILY members. So that means that not all of them entered into this arrangement voluntariily. 7) verse 45 (continued) You can keep them as PROPERTY 46 and pass them down to your children as part of their inheritance FOR ALL TIME. YOU MAY CONTINUE TO OWN THEM, EVEN AFTER THE JUBILEE. Let that one settle in. Christians just LOVE to quote mine and not take the time to actually READ what is there. As far as Jubilee is concerned that only came around evey 50 years anyway. It would not help a lot of people. Beyond that you have made the claim that slaves were freed in the seventh years after they paid off their debt. Again that only applied to Hebrews. Their were times when a family member could purchase the debt of the slave and free him. but again, that only applied to the Hebrews. Even *if* some foreignors did sell themselves into the slavery it is not a fair system to enslave them FOR LIFE over a temporary financial problem. You may say that they knew the rules so they knew what was going to happen. That is like saying that a child laboror who works 14 hours a day seven days a week for pennies agreed to be treated like that. NOT REALLY. If you are poor and starving and that is the only game in town, then you will take it. It does not mean that it is right or moral.

[@christopherkennedy9377]

Just admit it. You desperately need your interpretation to be true. Great revisionism btw.

[@salem1451]

And some will still claim that atheist morality will always be arbitrary. But unlike christianity, arbitrary morality can atleast condemn slavery

[@Ricky-yo6uv]

I mean, arbitrary morality can also technically laud owning slaves as the greatest moral good in existence.

[@shrekiscool4743]

​@@Ricky-yo6uv so can 'ultimate morality' or whatever you want to call it

[@colejames423]

All morality is arbitrary and subjective.

[@hippieyoda1993]

@@colejames423ok hitler 😂

[@TJ-hg6op]

@@colejames423Very true.

[@grahamers]

This came up again in my recommendations. Watched it for probably the tenth time in my life. One of the single best videos ever made.

[@Sigueme1]

well if it wasn't half assed and full of lies I'd agree but.....

[@grahamers]

@@Sigueme1 I'll bite... Cite a lie in detail and explain why it is a lie.

[@Sigueme1]

​@@grahamers Sure ...right off the bat without watching the video I read the description and it says this: "don't let anyone throw up this ridiculous smokescreen that says that the slavery instituted in the old testament was so completely different to, say, pre-civil war US slavery" Thats a lie right there. What was pre-civil war slavery? we all know that , it was a person being kidnapped and sold to others without the slave consent or without any benefit to the slave. The bible however gives us at least three types of slavery and only one matches pre civil war slavery ...another form of slavery was still in practice not too long ago it was called "peonage" take a peek : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt_bondage the Bible gives us Three types of slavery here are all three: Type A: This was voluntary slavery , a person in hardship or facing a famine could ask to be a slave in exchange for provisions or currency. BIBLICAL SUPPORT FOR THIS CLAIM: biblehub.com/genesis/47-19.htm here you can see it again how people literally sold themselves: biblehub.com/leviticus/25-47.htm biblehub.com/jeremiah/34-14.htm TYPE B. This type of slavery was reserved for criminals , if you stole something and were convicted and were unable to pay restitution you were to be sold as a slave to pay for your deeds. HOW IT WORKS: The "master" receives the criminal slave and FORCES HIM TO WORK , the slave can be forced to make good on his side of the deal by flogging or whatever means, this was done as a way of punishment and to deter theft. The slave was released after payment or when six years had gone by. BIBLICAL SUPPORT FOR THIS CLAIM: biblehub.com/exodus/22-3.htm TYPE C: This type is what we have come to know as Deep South African plantation style slavery , where a person is kidnapped against his will and sold to others with zero benefit for the slave and without the slave having initiated the transaction. The God of the Bible actually OUTLAWED THIS PRACTICE AND FORBADE IT UNDER PENALTY OF DEATH. BIBLICAL SUPPORT FOR THIS CLAIM: biblehub.com/exodus/21-16.htm biblehub.com/deuteronomy/24-7.htm LASTLY , GOD EVEN PROTECTED THE PEOPLE THAT HAD SOLD THEMSELVES WITH LAWS THAT BENEFITTED THEM, SUCH AS LAWS FOR WOMEN AND PROVISIONS LIKE THIS ONE: " if thy brother, an Hebrew man, or an Hebrew woman, be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee. And when thou sendest him out free from thee, thou shalt not let him go away empty: Thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: wherewith the LORD thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him. And thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in the land of Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee"

[@grahamers]

Several errors, here, with your "Type C" argument. 1) Like most Biblical law, the prohibition against kidnapping only applied to instances of kidnapping Israelites. Deuteronomy 24 (which you literally cited to try and make your point) makes this explicit: "If someone is caught kidnapping a FELLOW ISRAELITE and treating or selling them as a slave, the kidnapper must die." All of Exodus 21 is all about laws that apply to the treatment of "Hebrews." (Again, the verse you cited!) 2) You ignore Leviticus 21 which also make clear the distinction between how you may treat those of your nation and those of other nations: "Your male and female slaves are to come FROM TEH NATIONSA ROUND YOU; from them YOU MAY BUY SLAVES. You may also buy some of the TEMPORARY RESIDENTS LIVING AMONG YOU (i.e., non-Israelites) and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your FELLOW ISRAELITES ruthlessly." 3) You ignore the entire context of the laws and the rest of Biblical history: be nice to your fellow Israelites/Hebrews, but feel free to rape, murder, and enslave others. 4) You ignore the vast majority of serious Christian scholars and historians (the majority of whom are Christians) who confirm that this is how it is read, how is was read, and how it was practiced. So, no, it isn't a valid argument to claim that "Because the Bible outlawed the kidnapping of fellow Israelites, therefore there was no 'real' slavery even though the Bible in many places explicitly endorses it and even tells you that 1) you can buy slaves from the nations around you, 2) you make take slaves from those you slaughter, and 3) those slaves are your property for life and you may pass them down to your children, and 4) you may beat them all you want as long as they don't die a day or two after you beat them."

[@Sigueme1]

@@grahamers sorry but you are wrong. First of all you told me to cite a lie and I did, the claim that biblical slavery and our classical Deep South African slavery is the same is FALSE...AFRICAN SLAVES DID NOT SELL THEMSELVES PERIOD. In the Bible some slavery was initiated by the slave hence IT WAS NOT what the video describes. So I fulfilled your request I told you a lie now let's keep going.

[@Zyxyea]

love that you're still responding to people 11 years after uploading lol, good stuff man

[@endanarchy]

I don't know why it took me so long to find you guys. Jeezlike, guys. You had me in stitches here.

[@2l84me8]

Christians are always insisting to me how god favors free will yet ignore the subject of slavery entirely.

[@DHTC888]

Character personalities are awesome! I love you NonStampCollector!!

[@kevinforgoten]

Funny how thanos being able to snap and fix things with a gauntlet is both more moral and more consistent than anything in the Bible. Oh and a more plausible fictional character.

[@Farsadelcatolicismo]

There are 5000 manuscripts of the New Testament ...how many are of Thanos? , there are 2 billion christians in the world today , how many Thanos followers? when you are disappointed do you say "Oh my thanos" or "oh my God?" does the dollar bill say "in Thanos we trust?" when you go to court are you required to swear by Thanos or with your hand on the bible?, do you say "so help me Thanos I will tell the truth?" , do you celebrate Thanos with your family exchanging gifts? , when you Google "Thanos nations" how many nations show up? why don't you google "Christian nations" and see you are at this moment probably living in one? ,do people get married at a Thanos ceremony or at a Christian church? I'll stop there thank you for playing buddy see ya

[@kevinforgoten]

@@Farsadelcatolicismo argument ad populum is a logical fallacy, I'll stop there, thanks for playing buddy

[@Farsadelcatolicismo]

@@kevinforgoten ok but everything I said is true tho ...you said Thanos "fixing things with a gauntlet" is more consistent than anything in the bible that is a FALSE statement , the bible has literally thousands of consistencies...I'll give you an easy one , the event described as the "day of the Lord" which supposedly is when God judges the Earth appears in dozens of times in more than 10 different books in the bible and the description is exactly the same , the sun goes dark and so on, you can check it out here: Isaiah 2:12 and 13:6 Jeremiah 46:10 Ezekiel 13:5 Ezekiel 30:3 Joel 1:15 Joel 2:1 Amos 5:18 Obadiah 1:15 Zephaniah 1:7 , 1:8, 1:14, 1:18 Zechariah 14:1 Malachi 4:5 Acts 2:20 2 Corinthians 1:14 1 Thessalonians 5:2 I'll stop there , now before you pull the "it's all made up" argument that is not what we are arguing here, you said there was no consistency in the bible so how about that? You want more? sure 2. The thirty pieces of silver paid for Jesus in circa 37 AD appears hundreds of years before in Zechariah 11:12 3. The second coming of Christ PRECISE LOCATION (mount of Olives) that was told to the apostles as "in the same manner you saw him ascend to heaven , thou will see him return" is given hundreds of years before the fact in Zechariah 14:4 4. The passion of Christ as the messiah is described in Isaiah 53 also the crucifixion is described in Psalm 22:16 ..it says there "they pierced my hands and my feet" ...Zechariah 12:10 says " they shall look upon me whom they pierced" 5. God always rejected the first born out of the lineage of Abraham, this rejection was very consistent here are some of the rejected ones: a. Ishmael was rejected for Isaac b. Esau was rejected for Jacob c. Jacob's first born Reuben was rejected for sleeping with his father's wife d. Another son of Jacob's son Joseph's firstborn Mannaseh was rejected for Ephraim (the infamous "swapping of hands") e. Another one rejected was Judah's first born whom the bible says "the Lord slew him" he was rejected for Pharez (who appears in Jesus' bloodline) the list goes on and on... 6. Revelation 17 says "and the waters where the woman sits are nations , multitudes peoples and tongues" so waters are allegoric for people, in Jeremiah 47:2 we can see this allegory is consistent with waters being people 7. God calls himself the "Husband" of Israel in many places like Hosea 2:2 , Isaiah 54:5, Joel 1:8 also Jesus came from Israel hence Jesus is God's "son" , son of his "wife" Israel ...it's all perfectly consistent, the "inconsistencies" that people claim they found are due to the fact the bible is a translation, the original languages are way more accurate. I can do this all day buddy ...like I said thank you for playing have a nice time watching those tiresome super hero movies don't you get tired of so many of them? I gave up a long time ago

[@bettertobethoughtafool]

@@Farsadelcatolicismo Thanos bless you. Thanos didn't say slavery is tight. Thanos is the one true god.

[@gremlin998]

@@Farsadelcatolicismo thanos kills everyone equally, cant say the same about god

[@samskinner4002]

Sometimes I look up these verses because I can’t actually believe a loving god would allow slavery. But there it is. Right in the Bible. Disgusting that so many people follow the “loving” god

[@SubsWithnoDadChallenge]

@Kevin Cobb but slavery is okay.

[@justice8718]

Slavery had a limit of seven years or less unless marriage.

[@theCommentDevil]

​@@justice8718Not foreign slaves, they were for slaves for life and so where their children

[@justice8718]

@@theCommentDevil can you point to it?

[@theCommentDevil]

@@justice8718 Leviticus 25:44-46 mentions that slaves from foreign countries can be made slaves for life and can be inherited by your children

[@fourstones1860]

One of my friends is extremely religious and this is exactly how he acts lmao

[@888y8z]

And this video doesn't even get to Exodus 21:20-21. "Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished IF the slave dies as a direct result, but THEY ARE NOT TO BE PUNISHED IF THE SLAVE RECOVERS AFTER A *DAY OR TWO*, since the slave is their property"!!!!!

[@ERICROJO156]

Very interesting how the Israelites didn't like being slaves in Egypt and Babylon, but loved taking slaves from their own conquests

[@chitskirits]

That is the Bible for you ,Tricky,just like it was written by humans to please them self's,with all sort of horrible behavior.Yes Lilac lace,the good old days in the wild west when whole nations of natives got wiped out and they land stolen,a lot of it done in the name of the Lord.

[@entropy666w]

the Native Americans were not even permitted by law to practice their religion until the mid 1970s! Land of the free, tolerant.

[@elephystry]

ShinDo That's against the first amendment, how'd the courts allow that?

[@Whodjathink]

Sort of the same way how they allowed a Terrorist group (known as the KKK) run rampant and commit all sorts of atrocities, or even allow the common man to beat down and kill a man, just because he was Dark-skinned. Man you gotta love america :/

[@justice8718]

@@elephystry By the horrors of God has against paganism.

[@madhat2k]

I've had this exact argument with people. They act as if the slavery mentioned in the Bible is just the Israelite indentured servant thing. They completely ignore the other stuff even though it's right there in the paragraph above it. They keep saying "it's different" than the slavery we had in America even though it's clearly the same thing.

[@ababycow]

The algorithm delivering this 11 years but not too late😅

[@jeanine219]

Yes, these parts of the Bible favorable to yaweh’s “chosen people”, were obviously written by his “chosen people”.

[@shaunigothictv1003]

Excellent point

[@justice8718]

So any Jew and Gentle that comes to him. Duh.

[@JonathanSchattke]

If you believe the Bible is the inerrant word of god, being an abolitionist is not for you...

[@treg.2189]

It is literally stated as the word of God probably about 100+ times.... if the Bible is not the word of God, what is?

[@JonathanSchattke]

The proof is in the pudding. "Inerrant" HAS TO mean complete consistency internally and with reality in all particulars.

[@jeffhampton7405]

+Tre G. Wait, are you saying that the Bible's claim that it's the word of god is proof that it's the word of god?

[@mementomori7914]

what's wrong with slavery anyway?

[@B2BCreditandCollection]

Really? Why?

[@Kilmoran]

You are missed NSC, but congrats on the kids! Do what you need to do but you are still one of the best at anti apologetics as far as I am concerned.

[@johnclifford9552]

Sad that a KZbinr is the "best" at it. We have many scholars on our side that could be called the "best".

[@Kilmoran]

@@johnclifford9552 When it comes to pointing out the issues with the Bible, scholarship is just one avenue since it is only a collection of claims. There are several or more great scholars for this, but just someone paying enough attention is all that is needed.

[@johnclifford9552]

@@Kilmoran Indeed. Just wish someone on your side was paying attention when they repeatedly make the Leviticus 25 46 argument.

[@Kilmoran]

@@johnclifford9552 I don't know that specific argument by that title, but I am sure there are holes and flaws and issues on the atheistic side of things. Honestly, my main contention is that I see no reason why any one book of theology is more real than any other primarily because it says so and people believe that. As has been argued countless times, an atheist simply believes one less tale than a believer does.

[@johnclifford9552]

@@Kilmoran You mean one less God

[@Ndiscatseyesic2]

This was the most awesome break down on this subject I've ever encountered!

[@CuriousAldo]

I have seen all your videos, and I will say, i did research and you are so so spot on! You help so many people see right through! Tks