Norfolk Southern Train Gets Stopped By Detector 4 Hot Box

[@BaltimoreAndOhioRR]

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[@DavidWright-yn9bi]

There was a hot box event that caused a derailment in my hometown of Salem, Ohio. Conrail lost an engine along with several freight cars. A spine car with lumber burned itself out due to the intense heat. Fire personal from 3 counties responded to the derailment along with multiple police agencies. It was a 2 week clean up. Pretty big deal for a town of 13,000. My dad was a lieutenant for the police department. It's the first time that I remember him really losing his cool over the radio. Thank God nobody was killed. That hot box is no joke.

[@mosecall9046]

I'm from elo and I saw it very bad

[@AaronFristik]

I lived in east palestine oh at the time that accident happened I was a kid and it was the most horrific thing I had seen

[@photo_negative]

@@AaronFristik I’m trying to dig up any other video that shows a hotbox as bad as the home video before the 2/3/23 Norfolk Southern crash in East Palestine and I saw this. Best wishes towards you and anyone you know who lives there.

[@pay9011]

Salem is in the news again.

[@johnnycee5179]

Wow, 2 week clean up?! That was really bad.

[@iusetano]

Railroad drama is a lot easier to take than most other kind. Excellent video Dave.

[@mikemyers5665]

Seems like they would have better clear sounding radios so they could understand each other in an emergency

[@Wassupitsmike]

Some radios are clearer within the system, some have crystals or something so you have to have a certain radio to listen (my local PD has these )... also it’s so bad because the radio waves don’t have a super clear path

[@devin5139]

Have you considered that they are in the mountains of west virginia talking to people potentially over a mile away?

[@garretr4488]

It’ll be more clear between the locomotive operator and railroad staff, I’m sure this guy filming just has a handheld radio so his reception won’t be nearly as good as the locomotive and railroad staff mounted radios

[@nicke1903]

You get on 700mhz+ it's clear, FD uses it and there's 0 static, if you can talk you can get through. If there's no signal there's simply no service. We switched to Digital in 2016, and now the system works fantastic

[@robinthurston3382]

@@nicke1903 I'm a ham, 800 mhz is worse in wooded terrain. It needs direct line of sight to obtain a strong enough signal to decode audio packets. Vhf, 160 mhz is ideal for the railroad. It forgives over the horizon transmission. Also, an analog signal is much more readable on a weak signal than digital. I've run, many digital modes, p25, dmr, dstar, c4fm. Analog wins every time.

[@ResidentOfTheAbyss]

It’s astounding how just three locos can pull all of those cars

[@AxelFuentesMusic]

Stack trains like this one are very light, even when fully loaded. They usually get the highest priority so they always have good power pulling them 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@jerryhubbard4461]

each engine has 12 wheels touching the rails. At any give time each wheel is touching no more than the area of a dime. Like you said, it is amazing how three engines can pull a train that long that appears to be loaded. All about weight of engines to ratio of friction. Still amazing.

[@georgegross8463]

@@AxelFuentesMusic you should see some of the OLD BIG BOY videos from when it was first built it would cars by itself up hills that 4-8-8-4 loco was powerful

[@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043]

George Gross • Big Boy still does exhibition runs!❤️

[@radioactivepenguin34official]

Horsepower baybee

[@Tx_P71]

They actually had two hot boxes. One set had a squeaky axel. And I believe the last set of axles was the actual critical hotbox.

[@johnnycee5179]

I saw on Cumberland line a bearing go out and the axle was severed within 6.8 miles. Don't need problems like that.

[@thomasstambaugh5181]

I grew up near there and know the location. Great video. The sights and sounds make me think of home and childhood (sixty years ago) -- especially the mix of the cicadas and the train.

[@michaelberry2442]

I guess he told the dispatcher, this is a Yes or No question. Keep it simple.

[@mikew.andbrad8614]

Thank you, Dave...we learned a new train term: Hot Box....'please answer: Yes, or No'...love it!....great video!

[@Squib1911]

Right place. Right time. Great footage, especially with the scanner audio.

[@railsofchicagoandbeyond8832]

After doing a diagram, I have come to find that axle 249 is shown at 3:14 as the first axle on the second set of axles on the BNSF Well Cars

[@jcl410]

Wayside said the car was DTTX 732148, which not far behind the BNSF car at 3:33.

[@markrobinson3830]

Amazing video. Love the footage and the sound was CRYSTAL clear.

[@tobylou8]

Sounded like dispatch was using dollar store walkie talkie.

[@matthewdempsey6583]

yeah motorola / in australia we use hyt or simico ice radio in frieght trains and pass trains and also heritage and vintage locos

[@tjlovesrachel]

Almost sounded automated

[@coolskiper]

tjlovesrachel it is automated

[@Dutch3DMaster]

@@coolskiper Dispatch wasn't, tjlovesrachel was referring to the hotbox detector.

[@coolskiper]

@@Dutch3DMaster lol yes thats what I was saying

[@svenmartin840]

Another awesome video. I love the engineer saying is this a yes or no!!!!!

[@LlamaMonster]

I love the vantage point in this one

[@newwomyn]

That is on the Norfolk Southern Hagerstown District coming south out of Hagerstown Maryland to Shenandoah West Virginia.

[@BNSFBishop]

Wonderful shots Dave! Cool you seen NS 9871 and 4225 hooked together, i seen them two on the same train last month

[@WR120HandDryersAndEas]

That's a great shot. Is there anybody else thinking that the shot location is epic?

[@tracksidecameraman9055]

"Awesome shot of that NS Intermodal and locos. From 1to5, NS is my #1 fav."

[@Oldlinestatetrains]

Great catch and tommorow I’m going railfanning I think and I’m doing well at school In 4th grade

[@rodneyjohnson6068]

Great catch and You are Going You welcome railfanning doing well school ln 4th grade

[@seaboardsystemproductions9714]

Awesome video buddy nice bridge shot the conversation is interesting Too!!

[@boggy7665]

Best as I can count, #249 is the left one at 3:36. What does the conductor(?) have to do? Look at it? Then what? Does he bring a fire extinguisher? If it's not on fire and appears to be rolling ok, do they proceed slowly to the next convenient stopping point?

[@clarkpj1]

The conductor will likely touch a tempil stick to the suspect bearing to see if it melts. If the stick indicates that the bearing is too hot to proceed, the train will likely continue at restricted speed to the nearest place where the affected car can be set out. A mechanical crew will then replace the affected wheel set using jacks so the car can be picked up by another train.

[@dog_house875]

Boggy if you pause the video at exactly 3:32 you will have the correct car number there. Close though!

[@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043]

I know the Engineer radioed the number, but could y’all see smoke or other sign of a hotbox event? Which trainset involved?

[@dog_house875]

gomphrena -beautiful flower- No. you most likely would only be able to tell if you were there in person sometimes it gets so hot you can feel and smell the heat from 3 car lengths away it is crazy sometimes.

[@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043]

Jonny 6631 • Yikes! I understand why it’s an emergency!

[@lionroar7190]

The railcar that has the '' hot box'' goes by at the 3:32 mark. DTTX732148 Engineer repeats the car number at the 3:57 mark

[@DelvisD305]

Absolutely excellent capture my friend.

[@ronfogarty3888]

Very cool dave thats very neat keep up the good work

[@BaltimoreAndOhioRR]

Thx for all your support!

[@beulahpowell1478]

This is interesting. Never saw anything like this. There was a lot of static on each radio contact. I love NS locomotives. Thanks.

[@BaltimoreAndOhioRR]

Thanks for watching & commenting!

[@deelove2793]

You love NS?

[@littlebitmore2]

fantastic video Dave,love your location for filming, got some great footage, have a good week end

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[@55tmilam]

Excellent video!!!

[@BaltimoreAndOhioRR]

Thank you very much!

[@mithoo1234]

Video clips were sensational. Thank you so much for sharing such a beautiful upload. Have a great week and stay blessed. Regards Khalique.{:-)

[@PC10.8]

Awesome video, I’ve only ever seen one emergency stop.

[@jerryhubbard4461]

That is one long ass train.

[@KQKSongKreations]

So 😎 Thanks 🙏🏼 for sharing Great 👍 Video

[@BaltimoreAndOhioRR]

Thanks for visiting💛

[@hadesdescent6664]

Really good , I was involved in a story/drama! Keeping up constantly with exelent video 👌👏👏👏🔁,👍

[@hifijohn]

They cant do any better with the sound quality??Its like equipment from the 1940's.

[@KaiHenningsen]

The European train radio is all going over to GSM-R (still called that even when it uses LTE), a sort of closed network based on the same tech as your mobile phone. While it does include multicast features (such as "to everyone on that track"), it seems that overhearing that from, say, a railfan is pretty much impossible. That should match the quality of today's mobile phones (and cause the railway companies to install many repeaters). GSM-R is a part of ERTMS (as is ETCS) and is strongly related to TSI, all of which are compatibility standards out of ERA, the European Railway Agency.

[@rapman5363]

It’s the scanner the guy filming is using, he’s in the woods of West Virginia. The communication between engineer and dispatch is fine.

[@Dutch3DMaster]

Superhigh fidelity audio requires a higher frequency to account for more bandwith. That higher frequency requires more power to cover the same distance and makes it more prone to dropouts (because of interference due to weather, mountains and other objects that induce reflections on the signal). Think of how 5G in the eyes of the developers can only be used fully when dealing with street-level cells for transmission due to the tremendous losses in signal power, just because the frequency is so incredibly high. While 5G is not just audio communication alone and would be a massive overkill, in 5G (and 4G as well, just to a lesser extent) rainy weather and people with wet clothes as a result, massively distort the signal because of how their wet clothes causes reflections. Just like in audio, a lower frequency will require less power to reach further than a higher frequency will. The dB range in transmission systems for radio's is the same: not linear, so with an increase in frequency, so will the increase in power be required in order to reach the people you want to hear reliably. And when you think of AM (which is what this sounds like more than anything), AM has the ability to sort of curve along with the Earth's curvature due to it being capable of bouncing off the bottom of the atmosphere, where FM can not.

[@fleotusbing]

Great catch! I understand that those hotboxes can be very dangerous!

[@richardcolemanjr3749]

Heard a detector go off on a 102 car loaded grain train a few years ago. The second to the last car had to be set out. That was a long hike for the conductor.

[@Wassupitsmike]

Yeah the conductor asked if the engineer could let him off and then pull up so he didn’t have to walk 😂

[@ArtStoneUS]

Walking across that bridge across the river would be quite the adventure!

[@twrestlinga1]

They have cut manpower down so low, this happens on a daily basis

[@trainwhispererproductions460]

Very nice and impressive video my friend!

[@GERRYMALONEY47]

Very cool love watching all these train videos

[@gerlandkent6377]

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[@BaltimoreAndOhioRR]

Thank you for your comment!

[@paullogan9960]

about where the jbhunt container is single to a double stack just before the first hub group doubles start is my count!

[@ArtStoneUS]

This video would be very helpful so people understand the difficulty of spotting a hot roller bearing as it applies to the derailment in East Palestine Ohio

[@ArtStoneUS]

I’m starting to get pretty convinced that the video from Salem, Ohio, that the NTSB immediately latched onto is actually showing infrared signatures and not visible light. So hot grease was coming off the axle - but consistent with the bearing being hot but not hot enough to declare an alarm

[@amonronin8759]

I have no idea what is goin on.....all i heard was hott box.....thats what they use to call my ex in high school.....

[@hammerdragon4321]

Amon garra cirice the destroyer hot box means a wheel bearing is not lubricated and is run with no bearing grease in the bearing casing

[@michaelangelo7186]

@@hammerdragon4321 so it can cause the bearing to burn out?

[@clarkpj1]

@@michaelangelo7186 There are a couple of failure modes for roller bearings. One is that the bearing seizes and the wheel set stops rotating causing very large flat spots on both wheels. The other failure mode is that the failed bearing continues to rotate but eventually the heat causes the axle to literally melt and the wheel separates from the axle. This can be catastrophic at high speed and has caused many dangerous wrecks.

[@eugenkramaric1173]

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[@eugenkramaric1173]

@@hammerdragon4321 Thx for info.

[@UnionCentralSystem]

Very entertaining video. Great work.

[@tanker-Sauce]

For some reason I thought that was the Quincy bridge and it scared me I don’t know why but I’ve always been scared of that bridge in particular

[@MariaKalinowska]

Amazing views - great shots - extra whole video :) Thank you for this beauty - thumbs up +44.

[@BW-eu6pc]

That is a Southern Technologies Hotbox detector.

[@tobylou8]

Which car was overheating? Where in the video?

[@Rob-tr1st]

How did you get the radio frequency?

[@BaltimoreAndOhioRR]

on the internet, just do a search for it.

[@thefacemelterhackerpro9130]

Nice norfolk southern train crossing the bridge

[@UP4014SteamTrainFan]

Amazing Job!

[@bigduffone]

Don’t know why the railroad don’t go digital trunking on 700 mhz. It would make their radio traffic crystal clear. It would be expensive to put system wide but worth it.

[@BaltimoreAndOhioRR]

There's been talk of that for years but it's never happened...

[@LegendaryRadioJock]

I would imagine it's too cost prohibitive considering how much track exists.

[@chesapeakerailphotography]

Awesome video have a great weekend

[@IndigenousAmericanTrucker]

What is a detector 4 hot box and what is its purpose??? I was assuming that it was for a runaway train lol!

[@BaltimoreAndOhioRR]

No, hot axle bearings.

[@cowboykody6775]

For a fire

[@chrisbeard5794]

Nice find I live 15 minutes from there.

[@joeystrains.9316]

Great catch!

[@polarisice3190]

Whats a hotbox?

[@drewwilder5958]

Lol I remember the times when NS trains stopped for Defect Detectors 😅

[@BaltimoreAndOhioRR]

😱

[@Wassupitsmike]

Death trap walking across that lmao

[@lnproductions3227]

Where was that shot at,the beginning of the video?

[@BaltimoreAndOhioRR]

Same as the rest of the video

[@lnproductions3227]

@@BaltimoreAndOhioRR Was it VA or KY?

[@BaltimoreAndOhioRR]

@@lnproductions3227 west Virginia

[@lnproductions3227]

I knew it could have been but idk

[@gabesimon3046]

Can someone explain what a hotbox is please?

[@kevinb9407]

It's an overheated wheel bearing on the railcar. They are quite dangerous as the locomotives have enough power to keep moving the train until the wheel seizes, either bursts into flames, or derails the train.

[@brandonm.7026]

Hot box detector is a heat sensor that scans axles for high heat signatures. It could be anything from a sticking brake shoe to a bad bearing. Stuck brake shoes are most common.

[@Youtube4play]

Nice catch! ♥️

[@daniellebrooks2348]

Car DTTX732148 with the hot box is at 3:32

[@HammondOfTexas0]

Those are interesting cars. It looks like the are sharing a set of wheels. (ex, end of the train)

[@thetreespy]

I assume you are referring to the intermodal flatcars and well-cars throughout the train. Many of these come in single or combined units (typically 3 or 5 linked). The combination unit cars all use the same unit number (example at 4:30, BNSF 254678, 3 unit car) but typically share wheels between unit sections.

[@Dutch3DMaster]

@@thetreespy Controller Vrelk was indeed referring to that. I spotted them as well, they are only common in my country on passenger trains due to those rarely every being taken apart. I take it freight train combinations like those would not work in my country because of the problematic amounts of planning it would take to fill exactly that set of cars, and also that they can't be taken apart easily on a switch yard.

[@thetreespy]

@@Dutch3DMaster it is common only for intermodal cars (the ones used for containers). These trains are typically only intermodal cars and go from sea ports to major depos across the US. Since they tend to be 100+ unit trains of only intermodal containers, it makes sense to have combination units. They are limited to 5 unit combinations though to prevent them being too long.

[@dra32411]

Imagine the car with the defect axel was on the bridge. How the heck would the conductor get to it???? Really curious about that

[@starrychloe]

Let it cool down then proceed slowly

[@dra32411]

@@starrychloe well that's something I knew

[@dra32411]

@@starrychloe but it takes awhile for that to cool down if you think about it. Do they really have that amount of time to hold up a main line and let it cool by itself

[@Dutch3DMaster]

Maybe that's why there was a clear request to ask for a rollby or a full stop and a walk by. I am fairly sure that the operators on these trains know the length of their trains reasonably well and knew that in order to be capable of checking all cars they at least had to advance a bit to get of the bridge (and maybe the bridge has it's own signal? No idea about that).

[@-apple2753]

Who can help explain HOT BOX What does it mean?

[@1980DEVILSREJECTS]

It detects sticking brakes hot bearings hot wheels dragging equipment

[@-apple2753]

@@1980DEVILSREJECTS Thank you for your understanding interpretation

[@johnclements2044]

A hot box is a detector that monitors the wheel journals and end caps for excessive heat. A hot wheel detector monitors the wheel surface for heating. A Dragging equipment detector monitors anything that hanging below a certain height from the top of the rail. Not all detector location have all three monitors it depends on the situation. Hot wheel locations are usually located near yards and pick points to monitor for brakes not released.

[@amonronin8759]

@@johnclements2044 in this situation was there a reason for the warning?was there something wrong with the brakes?

[@Udontsay948]

Can anyone say. With all this rolling freight, how they can locate this problem? maddening not to explain it

[@44R0Ndin]

axle count, the defect detector said "axle 249" at the end of it's announcement so you count axles starting from the front, and when you get to 249 you look for the problem. Heard the engineer and/or conductor of the train say "this is a critical one so you have to check 20 axles forward and back of the target" and while that's probably an internal policy thing and not actual law it's still a good idea to look around a few axles forward and back of the exact count because the defect detectors don't catch everything.

[@Udontsay948]

44R0Ndin Much appreciated. Saw that but didn't make the connect. Pp

[@trainfanboy2000]

What is a hot box?

[@BaltimoreAndOhioRR]

High temperature on the axle bearing

[@williamsquires3070]

A historical note: before the invention of modern roller-bearing freight trucks, the truck sideframes literally had the journal bearing housing cast in (the “box”) When the trucks were assembled, they would pack them with oil-soaked cotton waste which would act like the wick on a candle, and keep the bearing lubricated. If not checked regularly, the bearing would run out of lubricant and overheat, and the cotton waste would catch fire. This was a “hot box” in the literal sense of the word. Nowadays, the roller-bearings are much more reliable, but they still have the detectors just in case, as a failed bearing can heat the metal side frames until they melt, and cause a bad derailment!

[@paintnamer6403]

@@williamsquires3070 I worked at Maryland Rail Car in the '80s and would still run across these once in a while. I may remember wrong but I think we called them grease boxes at the shop and used rags, like you say cotton waste with oil. We would use never seize pucks between the frame and the dished pivot point on the trucks along with grease on the pin. The Water Witch Volunteer Fire Co. in Port Deposit Md. would get calls to put out hot box fires on part of the track that runs along the Susquehanna River.

[@K1EDH]

What is a 'hot box' event?

[@rapman5363]

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[@americanpatriot4561]

When the doctor tells Nancy Pelosi that she has a std 😄

[@Chessie1985]

Great video!!!

[@DruSteel69]

Cool , Dave. Learned something new, "hot box".

[@Emojohnnyblackxd]

hot box goes on the bridge fun😮😂

[@ETrain-mv4ck]

Nice catch

[@SoonerStateSirens1]

May I ask what a hot box is?

[@BaltimoreAndOhioRR]

it checks for hot axle bearings

[@jockojohn3294]

No. It is not essential that you know this classified information. Only qualified personnel can understand this complex subject. That's why it is not taught in public schools.....

[@walterfink9782]

Only a "trained" eye, can spot the hot box!

[@bazis98]

Was it glowing orange? I'm not certain but I think I saw it.

[@bulwinkle]

@@bazis98 didn't see orange but there was an odd clicking noise as one car passed, like failed bearing.

[@Wassupitsmike]

Bazis 98 if it was glowing orange that would be incredible.... steel takes a Very high temp to glow orange

[@anonymoustrucker1782]

@@Wassupitsmike 1800 degrees I think. My stove only takes 400 to glow 🤭

[@ohboy2592]

Anonymous Trucker cast iron glows very low temp. Steel isn’t glowing at 400 degrees and those bearings and wheels take a lot more than 400 to even start changing color

[@ferroequinologism]

Amazing location ❤️ Nice video 👍

[@albertomadeirajr7824]

When they say hotbox what do they mean? Hot brakes?

[@BaltimoreAndOhioRR]

Or hot axle bearings

[@robertgift]

False alarm? Oreal problem?

[@Birdzgming467]

Defect detector at 1:06

[@ArantiusVulpes]

as a conductor and eng id be like stop clear of the bridge

[@jondickinson5623]

Where is this exact location??

[@boggy7665]

Bridge across the Potomac R. at Shepherdstown, WV. WV side of the river.

[@bottlestopper4353]

2020 They are still using Hank Kimball’s radio. What the H.

[@PakNewYorkVlogs]

very amazing video dear stay blessed n stay connected

[@jamesstallings2007]

Interesting procedure !!

[@teedahbluedee]

NS 4225 was leading around my area I got a video of it

[@xctrainsleeds3141]

Not what you want to hear axel 249! Dammit

[@clarkpj1]

At least they were given permission to roll the train past the conductor to make the check so he/she didn't have to walk down and back.

[@dog_house875]

That’s nothing try 624

[@djsergiocreativeheadsbootl2534]

Hello very nice video I love and appreciate and share I like 👍840 My Greetings Sergio.

[@bottlestopper4353]

Stop did you say stop your breaking up. Stop yes or stop no.

[@ronfogarty7227]

Cool Dave that was cool what is a hotbox keep it up

[@davidsims200trainstranspor5]

Wow, on the state line

[@ArtStoneUS]

Just imagine if the locomotives were in Pennsylvania and the derailment was in Ohio!

[@SubStarChannel]

Very nice 🌿🌱💢👍👌

[@ArtStoneUS]

Totally off topic but I think you'll find it amusing. I asked the new AI chatbot ChatGPT to describe the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad. It announced that one of its interesting features is the 17 Mile long Hoosac tunnel 🥳

[@BaltimoreAndOhioRR]

😁

[@generationll]

Interesting thing to see

[@hammerdragon4321]

There’s a lot of flat on decks in this train 🚂

[@rokfersonrotineque5396]

awesome video, love it, big like :)

[@PatrickBaptist]

I'm sorry but there wasn't anything to really see..... Long video for nothing, they need some better radios. I thought by "hot box" this meant dirty cargo.....

[@Awesomewolfpic]

Well the person they talking to most likely mile away and they also in the mountain like area so there were trouble getting signal out there so they just wanted a yes or no on can pull up to somewhere or does the conductor have to walk it.

[@joankamp4513]

Great trestle.

[@natejackson8213]

Awesome