Norse Myth Expert Reacts to God of War Ragnarok's Ending

[@PharaohofCulture]

IGN wasted an opportunity. What we REALLY want are reactions to Mimir boat stories.

[@Naija_Ninja]

They should make a par3 about this

[@mangasaint]

The best one was when Mimir mentioned Kratos being in other games. His reaction was priceless!

[@jeffgoku4073]

That would be an awesome idea!!!

[@nuclearbtch]

Yes!!!

[@yonathangur12]

Definitely

[@alxiong]

“It is the nature of a thing that matters, not its form” -Brok

[@Bangaly16kaba]

Kratos says that not brok

[@NationalPjVillain]

@@Bangaly16kabakratos says it BECAUSE brok said it first

[@djaejones8785]

lmao this was such a perfect answer

[@Ludwig1970]

@@Bangaly16kaba Did you even play the game?

[@infernas]

@@NationalPjVillain the fact that Kratos remembers everyone's words and repeats them to them is very telling of the maturity of his character. Also when he said to Freya, "No need to explain. Not to me, not for that." She said those same words in the first game, in pretty much the same context as he did in the second game.

[@flightlessagbsls]

There's literally a line at the end of the first game Mimir says that fimbulwinter has come 109 years early, and its because Kratos is there, interrupting prophecy and killing baldur before his time

[@PTtoo_official]

Exactly,instead of jus playing the game ppl should listen to the dialogue.

[@BergXX23]

Yeah sorry to burst your bubble but Mimir is imprisoned for 109 winters when Kratos meets him. He then says fimbulwinter isn't supposed to happen for another 100 more winters at least

[@flightlessagbsls]

@@BergXX23 ok small correction, noted, no need to be rude

[@donnybuoy]

He's comparing the game's interpretation to the actual mythology. It's his job. Calm down.

[@TheAcidicMolotov]

more unhinged people

[@Trifvas]

That's the whole point of the story, it doesn't end the way the prophecy says it should. That's the twist.

[@josetato]

Bro the whole event felt small for a supposed war, prophecy or not

[@edgebringr3494]

@@josetato Ragnarok didn’t even last that long… twilight of the gods, etc was literally a massive battle. It felt longer likely due to all these things being told that were all happening…

[@1995krampe]

@@josetato it felt like a bad day for Odin It wasn’t that bad to begin with

[@islandboy9381]

Professor was only saying the mythology telling of the events and some of the norse gods characters is different, he's not saying that it's bad they changed it in the game for a reason chill out and listen before typing.

[@ballbug]

@@stankobarabata2406 The end fight is underwhelming regardless of whether that was the point or not. The fact that that was the point is honestly bad because the way things turn out is such an anticlimax. The actual Ragnarok beast doesn't even do anything, except kill Freyr.

[@sprrs]

Norse Myth Expert going into a lot of detail about Odin changing shape and how the team must’ve really reached deep and put a lot of research into Odin being Tyr. Eric Williams randomly in a staff meeting: “Hey guys what if Tyr is Odin?”

[@tamerofhorses2200]

Yeah that's basically the amount of care that went into the writing for this game

[@dundume07]

@@tamerofhorses2200i don’t think so there’s signs of it coming, they were just overzealous

[@__skillz]

@@tamerofhorses2200 just enjoy the game dawg

[@MrBazBake]

The most clever part of using Freyr's other name "Yngvi" is that it's a hint that Ingrid is his sword. Ingrid translates roughly into "Yngvi's beloved," so that was a total OH CRAP! moment for me when he reaches up his hand and says, "Wait for it..."

[@josephstalin2606]

A shame how both of them sacrifice themselves for absolutely no reason other than to have another “shock value” death

[@servancastillo986]

that moment was awesome.

[@RingerDay]

The reason why so many events played out differently is from Kratos changing the destiny of those in Ragnarök by changing who he is as a person and admitting his wrongs and telling his son to open his heart to those suffering. He deviated from the destiny of Ragnarök and so, the prophecy was altered.

[@madladdie7069]

_More_ importantly, the prophecy that exists in the actual mythos, is false in this game. It's a major plot point, in fact.

[@Peterbeater1]

@@madladdie7069 also Kratos being in the norse mythology completly changed the course of events as Mimir said in GoW 2018 "Prophecy didn't expect this for a hundred more winters at least. You've changed something, prophecy didn't count on you."

[@madladdie7069]

@@Peterbeater1 not really. since in that same game we find out that the giants had forseen the events of the game. Mimir wasn't there. He didn't know about the giants forseeing all of it when he said that Ragnarök came early.

[@jamesward9071]

What about the gods not having any relation to the original sources. People just making excuses for the developers not knowing much on the Norse

[@dowfreak7]

@@jamesward9071 Stop spouting nonsense and do the entire world a favor and stop clinging to myths and traditions like their logical and factual. These things exist to be passed on, adjusted and inform newer generations, not to stand unshaken and appear written in stone. If you cling to tradition or even worse, act like myths can't be changed and are factual, you missed the entire point of the human race as a whole passing these things down through generations. It'd be like thinking the bible is to be taken literally.

[@psicologofernandomoreno3185]

Thing is, it's not really about norse mythology. The developers didnt say: let's turn norse mythology into a video game. It's a story about family, obsession, redemption, etc. In the setting of norse mythology. That's why they changed so much about People and events that happen in the sources.

[@staple_boi]

The whole plot revolves around events and characters from Norse mythology fym it's not about Norse mythology. That's like saying the first gows weren't about the Greek pantheon and mythology cuz Kratos killed everyone

[@psicologofernandomoreno3185]

@@staple_boi they were not. There is no Kratos son of Zeus in greek mythology, as there is not one in norse mythology. The games are loosely based on the myths.

[@dowfreak7]

@@staple_boi The new games aren't about the myths, they're clearly set in the world of the myth and tell a story there. You might also be hard-pressed to find mentions to Egyptian or Hindu myths in Norse mythos, right? Well, guess what, GoW takes place in a world that houses all these myths. It was NEVER just "these are the realms, that's it". 2018 GoW literally immediately breaks that notion with the sheer fact that Kratos is there. Greek mythos happened. And now he's there. If all you can say about storytelling is "they're in Norse myth, so that's what the game is about", then you lack the most basic understanding of writing and you clearly haven't even played/watched/read about GoW Ragnarok. Very childish and simplistic way of viewing things.

[@iremembersyrupsandwhiches3006]

It shares a lot of themes like defying fate and such from mythology but reinterprets them in a modern context, so it is in a sense about mythology, most mythology stories are about family drama so stop insulting people cause you’re not informed about what you’re talking about

[@dukemakaveli]

About American family in the setting of Norse

[@gwentReznor]

"This doesn't really follow the original text.." Ya well the first trilogy was him murdering the entire Greek pantheon

[@pnut3844able]

Yea dude studies fiction for a living and has a problem with a fiction game 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@snbjornrolfblischkeoddsson5744]

He doesn't know that, he's not a gamer. He was brought on to compare the clips they gave him to his knowledge of the original texts and that's what he did. Stop being salty, he's got literally no other context than the clips they showed him for the previous game.

[@blitzy7961]

​@@snbjornrolfblischkeoddsson5744Nah it's valid criticism. Whoever hired this guy should have notified him beforehand. He goes in thinking it's an adaptation of Norse mythology when it isn't. It's not his fault. The fault lies in the channel itself.

[@Blackmagic_874]

This comment section is mad weird. Why are you guys mad? Dude is just comparing the liberties the gaming studio took to the actual mythology. Not shitting on the game. He did this on the last game and everyone seemingly liked it. Strange to see the change from last game to the next.

[@blackbastardofthewall8647]

Right?! They got so triggered lol

[@jocosesonata]

They certainly don't seem like calm and reasonable people.

[@aidiruikki]

cuz he dont know what he talking about, there no kratos in norne mythology he shud know this is a game so the story could be differ than idk “real” mythology

[@mattdamon9326]

It’s the usual snoyboy behavior.

[@Eniril1]

uncertain times brings idiotic behavior

[@The_Story_Of_Us]

The cool part is that this whole game’s metanarrative is about the subversion of norse myth. The Jötnar predict it will go a more similar way to ordinary norse myth and all the characters have a struggle with the inevitablities of how Ragnarök will play out. Like the characters in the game, the writers and developers take liberties with the source material to tell a better story for their given context.

[@hoya1178]

They did not tell a better story, the story in the this game is pretty terrible.

[@piyo744]

@@hoya1178 It was far too big to be called bait...

[@apenasmaisumdiogo.7115]

It should be noticed that Týr is still a different entity from Odin in the game, he can be freed after Ragnarök ends.

[@kjj26k]

...if he yet lives.

[@ebusive]

@@kjj26k post game content

[@etr-bw8us]

All of you in the comments are the real nerds getting upset over the slightest hint of criticism towards your favourite video game. He’s just a mythologist that got hired to point out how close to source material the game is, it’s not a personal attack.

[@Jsc.75]

Historically accurate but never actually happened😂😂😂😂

[@salmankhan2739]

@@Jsc.75 they had the source material and still effed it up somehow in the game lol

[@Jsc.75]

@@salmankhan2739 “source material” should be used loosely they never even wrote it down nor is there always one way to interpret it. Heimdall is said to have 9 mothers and no one thinks twice😂😂 and Loki gets impregnated by a horse. Plus their take on the mythos is no worse than marvel and is just a well written story

[@akkibajaj705]

It’s not criticism it’s literally a fiction and their own take on it…

[@garuna5688]

@@salmankhan2739 Lil bro thinks they were making a video game adaptation of Norse myths 💀

[@matthewambrose1110]

9:10 the multiple identical rings is probably a reference to Draupnir, the gold ring that odin possesses which can multiply itself 8 times every day

[@pugpugz3171]

Draupnir itself appears in the game

[@Will_OT]

Kratos has it, he turned it into a multiplying spear, Mimir talks about how it was a gift Odin never cared for, so they kept it for themselves.

[@blue3149]

yeah it's probably the replacement rings odin made after draupnir got stolen by the dwarf brothers lol it's really fun how they made it into a wholeass weapon concept ngl

[@average__height8033]

Did you play the game..?

[@apenasmaisumdiogo.7115]

@@blue3149 Hadn't thought of that, consideding how petty this Odin is it makes sense haha

[@PogMcDog]

Also about 9:30 Hädan in Swedish means "Henceforth" Etymology From Old Norse héðan, cognate with Swedish hädan. And if you'd say "sofna upp frá þessu" in icelandic that would translate to: Fall asleep from this. So the spell is: "Fall asleep from this, fall asleep henceforth."

[@MagicOmelet]

This was never about accuracy (I'm not saying that he said that). They wanted to tell a story about gods and prophecies and so much more other stuff and did a phenomenal job. Besides that its interesting to hear what happened in norse mythology.

[@petermj1098]

Odin is the opposite of Zeus in terms of beliefs. Zeus was pretentious and wanted to be more omnipotent. Odin is unpretentious and wanted to be more omniscient. The Greek gods were super pretentious attitude while the Norse Gods have a unpretentious attitude. It would have been lazy and boring if the Norse gods acted the same as the Greek ones in these new games.

[@TheGreatDearLeaderJimPickens]

@@petermj1098 Agreed with that. Zeus overestimated his own powers, despite their being significant. Odin never seems to take anything for granted, preferring to manipulate and scheme his will into existence

[@TihonTheDED]

Guys...the point of these videos ARE TO EXPLAIN YOU THE ORIGINAL STORY, not to criticise the game! CHILLL OUT!!!

[@seanwilde716]

He didn’t really explain very much?? All most people who don’t have a former knowledge of basic Norse mythology would’ve gotten would be that ragnarok is an event not a being and that surtur brings it not is it

[@raptorxrise5386]

Most people are mad because of his phrasing. HE does sound like hes critizising not explaining

[@mp2216]

Yet he is criticizing it 🤣

[@Mr_G87]

They aknowledge that the prophecy of Ragnarok (as we know it) was a lie told to Odin. Although, they don't specify all of the details about how different the game's new prophecy is (only that Asgard is the only realm to fall), so we can only assume that what we see is what the prophecy was actually meant to be.

[@hullie7529]

The biggest difference from the original sources is one particular guy named Kratos. This is a game that takes Norse Mythology as a general setting, but it's trying to tell its own story, not faithfully recreate old poems.

[@makeda6530]

This is so cool to see how much the creators made Norse mythology their own that even an expert is like, ‘that’s pretty obscure’. It’s so cool to see the parallels but them still being completely different.

[@staple_boi]

It's cool until you realize they couldn't use old Norse or runes correctly

[@ArashiKageTaro]

@@staple_boi jfc gamers are so annoying. Just enjoy it for what it is: a masterpiece of a game. Odindamn 🤦‍♂️

[@twilightresonance1789]

they made it obscure for very specific reasons and not the ones you pointed out

[@thorthegodofthunder9150]

@@ArashiKageTaro not a masterpiece. 2018 was a masterpiece, this is not.

[@tofuteh2348]

Might be nice if IGN gave some context instead of seemingly just throwing clips to him

[@aarononeil9832]

Yeah these videos are severely hampered by how little information they actually give him about any of these games, though to be fair he's a busy guy so there's only so much he can be expected to watch

[@Neish4545]

It's like that for a lot of them. If he went into this after playing the game, we would've gotten a much better video.

[@adamcimrmann]

@@Neish4545 Dude invested like an hour nto all these videos, you cant expect him to spend 30-60 hours playing the game

[@rong7496]

I’m just thankful that you share your time and your knowledge with us, Professor Crawford.

[@tratamarack441]

When an OC that destroyed the pantheon he is in, came to another pantheon, things are bound to become a little different.

[@googleit1131]

Ignoring aspects of the story aside, it is very interesting to see how the developers took aspects of Ragnarok and Norse myth and translated it into the world they created.

[@Kenrico13]

Like father like son. Kratos took hades soul and Atreus took odins soul.

[@rudrapatel285]

Since Kratos no longer has the claws of Hades, what happened to Hades' soul, it's never explained

[@Macktube]

We all know the game had a lot of inaccuracies and they changed a lot around to fit their original story. It's not supposed to be identical to the historical literature it's just a game based on them that is meant to be for fun

[@Magurkz]

Yea exactly. Kinda pointless video if you ask me. Its like duuuuh, Kratos was not in Ragnarök

[@chinwenduizenwata6763]

@@Magurkz LMAO EXACTLY

[@JesterfaceBassplayer]

Freyr asking Freya for mercy might be a somewhat scuffed "forgive me". But that begs the question why they didn't just translate him asking for forgiveness.

[@matthewpimentel1391]

Oh please do a reaction to the boat stories. That is a goldmine of content

[@ms.anthropia]

i'm so happy to see dr. crawford react. he's always super passionate about his job.

[@Granitehard]

Dude’s shirt texture still hasn’t loaded

[@thedonaslan6293]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣

[@Rocksolid1613]

We're gonna need a new (Egyptian mythology) expert for the next game.

[@wyatts4906]

Not even confirmed that's gonna happen

[@architectsxiii5379]

@@wyatts4906 they did say they wanted it to though

[@TailRunnerOPSpec]

With the presence of a Kelpi, and Mimir being Puck, Celtic strikes me as more likely

[@carbonfibercarpet4655]

Can't wait for Kratos to fight the UFOs building the pyramids

[@jiririnagl302]

Lol

[@Krotas_DeityofConflicts]

Heimdall in the painting was holding a very similar staff from the greeks, the one with snakes and wing

[@GourSmith]

That’s not Greek … That symbol is tens of thousands of years old … It’s the symbol representing kundalini rising from the base of the spine to the top of the head. It has different names (Kundalini, Shakti, Chi, prana, ojas and many more) but it far predates Greece.

[@dartagnanjames8069]

staff of asclepius?

[@laniusmaxon5281]

the caduceus?

[@herobrinegreek9493]

Well the Varangians came close to the Byzantine's who had kept many ancient greek symbols, so it is not impossible for them to include it in their art

[@Ariverfish]

"That's Fimbulwinter for ya!" - Brok

[@cotocoyerakson8195]

Even the Greek part had a lot of problems, but if you was expecting the game franchise who made infinite amounts of Minotaurs, Medusas and Cerberus being a part of every villain enemy to be accurate to the source material man... you can still enjoy the game.

[@AcceleratedEvolution]

The source material has Minotaurs, Meduasas and Cerberusus. it's mythology.

[@cwkrysta1338]

@@AcceleratedEvolution the source material has ONE Minotaur, ONE Medusa and ONE Cerberus

[@Servellion]

@@cwkrysta1338 Actually there were three "Medusa". They were the Gorgon sisters, Medusa just being the name of one of them. The other two, Stheno and Euryale, were immortal and Medusa wasn't which is why Perseus was able to kill her.

[@justsomebody5450]

@@Servellion that's one of the other myths a guy wrote

[@xxcraftiestsavxx6478]

@@Servellion so...there was one Medusa

[@ZoeBateman]

HUGE SPOILERS FOR THE GAME, STOP READING IF YOU HAVE NOT PLAYED IT; Like Brok says in the game, it's the nature of a thing that matters, not the form. Sure, the game takes huge creative liberties, but general events like "Odin and Thor die at Ragnarok" and "Wolf bites Tyr/Wolf kills Odin" ("Loki" transforms into a wolf and bites Odin just after Odin stabs Brok while disguised as Tyr, Odin is later killed by "Loki" who in-game frequently transforms into a wolf) still mostly happen.

[@c.wubby.u861]

whoa nice observation!

[@pogofgreed3707]

I’ve been spoiled. Oof

[@SciFiPhiChiPsi]

Loki does not kill Odin

[@mohammadsaleem5990]

Wolf who kills Odin in mythology isn't a random wolf. It's fenrir who is in this game for some reason but doesn't do anything important.

[@mattbrock7031]

Are you telling me the made up character Kratos won't be fighting in the made up myth of Ragnarok?

[@alexanderrego1998]

Bro how do u fumble the word its in the title 😐

[@robzilla8084]

In the made up world of gods

[@kfcbrahmin]

Nobody called the game a history lesson fyi

[@CCoreXB]

‘Ragnarock’… wow

[@figo007tv]

He’s trolling guys

[@cyberexile3507]

man im in love with these expert reactions. possibly the best thing youtubers have ever come up with

[@Protogonas]

All the people salty in the comments that he just said the game isn't accurate with the canon, that's all,. So idky everyones like "Are you telling me kratos isn't canon" all snarky like he dissed your whole life when he's been doing this react series for a while now...

[@iammicrochip156]

That comment was the dude being sarcastic if you didn’t know😂

[@usernamepassword236]

Because he's just criticizing the game when he doesn't even know what's going on and how these characters are different from the mythology

[@mohammadsaleem5990]

@@usernamepassword236 he's not criticizing it he's just pointing out the differences with actual mythology. Jeez whenever someone doesn't praise this game to hell, you people think they're dissing it.

[@myself2noone]

"They've changed so much of it." One might think the story was about defying fate or something.

[@MW_Asura]

Justifying everything with "it was just them defying fate" is a poor excuse

[@RevolutionGamingShorts]

the thing about most of this game is that they are going against prophecy, you should do reactions to the prophecies

[@itzzaamia]

The whole game is about changing your fate by choosing to better yourself so half the events in the ending of this game are intentionally changed from prophecy. He keeps saying “idk where they’re getting this from” and it’s funny cuz that was the whole point.

[@Just_Dennis]

in norwegian gjalle means echo, so it makes the gjallarhorn's sound echo through the realms

[@DaPeasant]

I'm upset we didn't see Thor dressed up as a woman. That would make people who don't really know Norse mythology angry.

[@graviron]

Try to explain that to mcu fans.. lol.. or the time when loki turns to horse and impregnated by svadilfari.. lol..

[@throbbingfellow1136]

@@gravironWhy would it? It would have been funny considering Thor is dying of embarrassment and shame the entire time.

[@graviron]

@@throbbingfellow1136 in poetic Edda or in GoW?

[@joelgriffin8222]

@@graviron GOW. Þrymskviða (the story of Thor cross dressing) is found in the Poetic Edda, not the Edda Prose

[@graviron]

@@joelgriffin8222 thanks for the correction!

[@Legendary_Saiyan_Rosé]

That’s Fimbulwinter for ya

[@adam7991]

Lol now get a Greek expert to react to the first 3… 😂

[@陳潔明-w6y]

There are already videos.

[@rejoicingfakepriest201]

Just check out Mythology Guy's videos.

[@trueblaze84]

When they visited the Norns they stated that it's not that they don't see the future or control fate, it's that they understand people's nature therefore their actions are predictable. The original story of ragnarock is what was would inevitably happen as a result of those predictable actions. However, nearly all the main characters changed their nature resulting in the prediction not going as expected. Though others, mainly Odin, continued to follow the same path without changing resulting in at least some of the events still unfolding.

[@RG-zt4ox]

If I’m not mistaken surtr becomes something else during ragnorok and them calling this beast ragnorok isn’t extremely far off as a mindless beast who’s only goal is destroying Asgard

[@YouMakeMyMotorRun]

That may be, but they could have chosen another name... maybe Naglfar, or something like that. Calling him Ragnarok is just a bit muddy since it sort of implies that Ragnarok (the event) is centered around Surtr/Ragnarok (the being), which is not true. He's just a major force in it, but the focus is the fall of the Gods

[@LadCarmichael]

People complaining that a Norse Myth Expert brought to comment on the authenticity says that the game has elements not faithful to the myths... Guys think a little.

[@annaaquitaine4225]

Feel like he could have been given more context. I’d have enjoyed seeing his thoughts on the deliberate twists.

[@jmk0822]

Loved the game definitely one of the best games in recent memory but hot take the ending (Ragnarok itself) felt like a bit of a let down the second Thor fight and the Odin fights felt a bit underwhelming

[@deadlykam]

The reason it is different to the main norse mythology is because Kratos managed to change the fates and somehow changed the prophices.

[@animalchroniclestale]

Yeah like did zeus even have kids named kratos😂, the point of the game is to create more interesting stories

[@dowfreak7]

The point is that Kratos as a thing in these stories, exists to break up the mythology. In the trilogy he did that by murdering the pantheon and dooming/freeing the world. In the two new games he instead subverted prophecy and changed mythology by seeking change in himself and cooperating with those around him. Saying that "Ragnarok didn't really happen, so this is bad" would be akin to going "hares are much faster than turtles, this story is dumb".

[@ryanpearson7644]

No way, this whole time I’ve been believing that Kratos, the made up Greek video game character, was actually the reason for ragnarok in Norse mythology 😱

[@jesusleyva4386]

IKR

[@GhostTetr4]

he isnt there to review the game, but to talk of the myth. you guys take such offense to things

[@jond1245]

@@GhostTetr4 they're mad because he's making it seem like santa monica didn't do enough research for the game, when instead they did do research and just took artistic liberty to tell a coherent story

[@mikemills326]

@@jond1245 I’m pretty sure he knows that, but he’s just doing his job. Which is to compare the game to the actual mythology.

[@MrJay-be9wh]

@@jond1245 He's really not. He's just saying what happens in the actual source in comparison to the game. People are getting weirdly defensive

[@AlexJasso100]

Wish he would’ve mentioned something about Odin’s noose

[@metalmind1through9]

Now imagine, 20 years from now People find a destroyed shrine with a single Word,half of it covered in red that says "Kratos" and everything we were thought about mythology is just wrong and GoW saga is how it actually Ended

[@casperfriis2904]

There is a village called Gjøl (Gjöll) close to the Limfjord in Northern Jutland, Denmark! Does that mean they believed the Limfjord to be the "River of Hel" back in the day 🤯🤯🤯

[@beans8479]

To be fair it obviously was gonna be different

[@slingshotdon]

To be real this is pointless comparing fiction with fiction. In this case

[@theotter6279]

@@slingshotdon No it’s not. It’s comparing this adaption to the original poems

[@slingshotdon]

@@theotter6279 myth = fiction

[@kunari3310]

Yes , obviously

[@xhosagibran370]

Tell that to the crybabies complaining about it being “woke” because there was a black girl and Thor looked like the average American.

[@coolsomeXD]

"Now, Stephen, these are definitive, absolute facts about a myth?" Eddie Izzard

[@mahelaniarektbb]

Eddie Izzard

[@MrSparda1989]

Dr. Jackson Crawford: You remember the Super Mario Brothers Movie back in 1993? Audience: We're still trying to forget!

[@_claymore]

I'd rather wager that a massive part of the player base for GOW:R wasn't even alive when that movie came out.

[@sosman747]

These vids by Dr. Crawford are nice for anyone interested in the mythology behind the game, even if he shits on all on decisions artistically taken to weave a coherent story together 😅

[@salmankhan2739]

it would've been nice if they followed the mythology atleast a little bit, like Fenrir for example is just some random wolf lmao, not even Loki's child. AC Valhalla got the mythology more accurate than GOW lol. In that, we see the Fenrir-Tyr storyline play out like in the myths. Obv GOW is epic but its just such missed potential.

[@Jsc.75]

@@salmankhan2739 not really fenrir and jorm are Loki’s creations in this continuity in other words his children and here the tyr situation still played out just with garm in fenrir’s place plus the game’s story takes place over a century after they lock up garm tyr even grows his arm back

[@sosman747]

@@salmankhan2739 would have been really really really hard to insert one mythology into another which is what GoW had been doing for the last two games as Kratos needs to be a big part of the saga(obviously). A mythos retelling wouldn’t work cause Loki would have to age up to have kids and Kratos wouldn’t be able to be a protective parent anymore

[@salmankhan2739]

@@Jsc.75 technically AC valhalla DID get it more accurate where it is a wolf and Loki's son, grows rapidly, gets to kill Odin, eats Tyr's arm after Odin's betrayal, but what the GOW does is interesting as well, but again its just such huge missed potential to have Fenrir and Tyr out of action at Ragnarok. Its Fenrir who was supposed to kill Odin and Jorm to kill Thor, was hoping they would make a twist somehow for a final blow kinda how they did Baldr with the mistletoe since in the myth it is Loki who causes Baldr's death with mistletoe. GOW could've used Fenrir and Tyr much better than what we got, for example, Fenrir could've been from the future as well, sent back in time like Jorm, Tyr (real one) joins Kratos and Atreus to capture Fenrir and thats how they could get the storyline to play out. This way we get a proper fight with Fenrir and not Garm. Also Ragnarok is an event, not a being.

[@garuna5688]

@@salmankhan2739 Actually, they do a wonderful job of explaining how mythology gets warped over time. Loki is a giant who can turn into a wolf and Fenrir is his giant pet wolf, so it's not hard to imagine how over the course of several years the myth of Fenrir being Loki's child came to be.

[@Sunfize]

Damn some of these comments toxic af lol

[@mddg8000]

Can you react to Hellblade Senua’s Sacrifice?! They have a ton of info in that game. I’d love to know how well they did.

[@alhnesn]

Why does my guys shirt look like it hasn't rendered yet

[@SlayerSeraph]

Underrated comment. FF7 PS4 flashbacks.

[@evankrueger7321]

"go to sleep from here" a magical command to make his essence leave his body.

[@cobalto65]

Im pretty sure Greek mythology doesn't end with Zeus beaten to a pulp...but here we are...

[@s_0ma_047]

And? The guy is just pointing out the differences between the game and the actual mythology, he's not shitting on the game. Grow up

[@MisterCynic18]

Well the whole "son killing father" thing was clearly a running theme. Probably would've ended that way if ancient Greece kept being a thing.

[@qrem2300]

When he makes reference to bringing a goat back to life it's a Easter egg reference when Thor tells Kratos I'm not done with you yet and revives him. G.O.A.T (greatest of all time) for those that don't know.

[@teamtim87]

When he explains not knowing certain details: "Because, hey, get off my back" 🤣

[@liamgibson8602]

the certain detail is one name used in one poem that is never used again in any old norse sources, read a few poems and sagas and you will understand.

[@teamtim87]

@@liamgibson8602 Cool beans

[@bunsNpais]

Producer guy: "Ok, let me get off of that thing!" 😁

[@teamtim87]

@@bunsNpais 😂 "Forgetting Norse Mythology is TIGHT!"

[@bunsNpais]

@@teamtim87 "Yeah yeah yeah!"

[@Sam-xt2gz]

Get this man to react to Mimir's stories

[@thatwaygaming8679]

It's nice to see what they did get right. And it's interesting to see what was changed to serve the story

[@mugenspiegal7415]

Everyone disagrees with me on Ragnarok but having this guy agree with me gives me the validation I’ve longed for

[@Lupinemancer87]

Some sources actually states that Sinmara is the wife of Mimir.

[@Hjartulv]

No it isnt.

[@CityStarrzz]

Well… they do now.

[@ryukomatoi163]

mimir ain't getting no head

[@mfadli6626]

@@ryukomatoi163 but apparently head is the only thing he got in the game

[@Lupinemancer87]

@@Hjartulv Yes.

[@slambobambo4152]

Do they not tell this guy what happens in the game?

[@juslitor]

Swedish has a phrase "gå hädan" which means to die, sprung to mind while watching the death of Odin segment.

[@iamjurell]

'Nordic Myth Expert Confirms that Kratos Wasn't Actually Part of Norse Mythology'

[@vsGoliath96]

Nordic Myth Expert brought in to discuss Nordic Myths and does so accurately.

[@iamjurell]

@@vsGoliath96 'random commenter fails simple sense of humor test in favor of banality'

[@cheezyblaztoyzeswet2674]

@@vsGoliath96 Eat $hit

[@madladdie7069]

In the context of the game, the prophecy of Ragnarok we know does still exist. Except it was a lie to Odin and that was a major reveal in this game. This could be why Modi was so surprised at Magni's death in the previous game, he was under the presumption that they'd both survive. The last game even had us thinking that Kratos' actions changed how things would play out.

[@funny_money_]

They basically removed Loki from norse myth in the first game, and his role is almost entirely different in GOW Ragnarok, of course it's different.

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

It's actually interesting because there is some debate on where Loki came from. Many people theorize that he was a transplanted myth.

[@bevanmcnicholl2525]

Thats biggest plot point of GOW 2018. It suberts what we thought by removing Loki from the entire game except hes just been there the entire time. That is the key moment of that game in regards to its lore

[@throbbingfellow1136]

@@bevanmcnicholl2525A lot of the stories Mimir talks to you about originally included Loki as an active participant, that’s what he meant.

[@Leprechaun2702]

there is so much difference in the end coz kratos is shown to be changing the prophecy coz he is not from the norse realms

[@tyx8898]

Anyone realize that the venom on the axe from Jormy was never used or mentioned?

[@GhostTetr4]

when kratos cleaved his axe in thors stomach, he couldnt heal the wound back

[@tyx8898]

@@GhostTetr4 how do we know he has that same ability? It was never discussed in the game. And it was supposed to be the thing that kills him in the end wasn’t it?

[@unlimited971]

It s an interpretation. Bitcnever 100 accirate. The eir was mention when the snake was introduced as he imbued the axe with it kn the game.

[@tyx8898]

@@unlimited971 shouldn’t it have been made obvious at some point though? Not just to the players but Odin, thruud, sif, Loki and heimdall that his stomach never really healed

[@unlimited971]

@@tyx8898 was pretty abvious

[@Matthew-McCallister]

You know who else wasn’t in Norse mythology? Kratos.

[@madladdie7069]

Funnily enough, the Giants called Kratos Farbuti. So uh, he _is_ in the mythos. Just not as a prominent character.

[@matthewcronin2325]

He’s clearly reacting to these things out of context, and not understanding why things are changed for the story

[@Novafan]

yall as hes doing is analyzing the liberties that santa monica took for the game and whats accurate to what we know

[@tdkey777]

I'd have been more interested to hear his thoughts on how he thinks Norse Mythology would exist without Loki as a character

[@reffa2858]

That had to really twist Odin's intentions to make him out to be the bad guy. Just Like they did Baldur in the first game.

[@theoutspokennerd1742]

that's kinda the point

[@jacobmcmahan109]

Owen has always kind of been a bad person

[@ultimatevtgb7551]

@@jacobmcmahan109 Sound like a name Óđin would use under a disguise of an American elder.

[@vaudevillevillain21]

Almost like that's the point😱

[@renatoandrade3407]

They did the same thing to the Greeks, tbh

[@AlphaJayCharlie]

It’s shocking to me how many people are triggered by an experts analysts of things. The dude is an expert, you’re just Joe schmoes on the internet lol. Chill

[@PartStupid]

4:15 - He misunderstands. That is Surter still, he just calls himself Ragnarok after his transformation. Ragnarok is still the event.

[@harrisonmurphy2424]

I'm no expert but isn't he saying that there is still no monster called Ragnarok, despite the fact that the transformed giant is calling himself Ragnarok?..

[@PartStupid]

@@harrisonmurphy2424 - It is more metaphorical IMO. But yes you are right he calls himself Ragnarok and the game names him Ragnarok, but it is still just Surtur juiced up with a bunch of power.

[@harrisonmurphy2424]

@@PartStupid All I'd say is when he actually says "I'm Ragnarok" and he as an individual has a 'Ragnarok' label it makes the metaphor argument a bit less easy to accept.

[@mohammadsaleem5990]

@@PartStupid the subtitles literally say "Ragnarok" when he speaks

[@urantulgaerkhembayar9319]

His shirt looks like as if it's in 144p

[@the_ideal_grease5565]

IGN just not telling these people about the game like damn, they expect us to be like oh yeah really that’s what’s supposed to happen

[@TemuPoliwrath]

He was saying go to sleep from this moment on but he refers to odin as an "it" based on the use of sofna when they should have use sofnaðu or sofnar

[@ac4th371]

Of course it's different, that's the whole point - averting/changing prophecy/Destiny.

[@egbert5871]

His shirt looks like textures are not loading in

[@masteralchemist1794]

How about the Viking Funeral Quest. It is an outstanding scene.

[@faddivlogs]

Tell this guy that the ragnarok you thought was not supposed to happen for atleast 100 more winters. Its kratos who changed the prophecy and started the war his way.

[@mattdamon9326]

How about you write him? You seem to be on par with the brightest on the ign channel.

[@justind2899]

The whole point of the game is that Kratos and Atreus would alter the events of Ragnarok. It’s not an accurate depiction of the source material because it was never intended to be an accurate depiction of the source material.

[@jocosesonata]

*_"Are you a calm and reasonable person?"_* Perusing the comments... No, not at all.

[@axxelion1353]

While it's interesting to see this guy, he's missing so much context from both 2018 GOW and this game. It wouldn't make sense to sit him down and make him play both games but showing him snippets of different parts to compare doesn't do either justice.

[@jonathanm9993]

id be interested to find out why heimdall is depicted with the union jack at 3:40. The Union jack goes back to only 1801 but the artistic style of the image suggest, that it preceeds it. Is the imagery from before 1801 or part of the historical renaissance of the 19th century? Would be interesting to know if its just coincodence

[@Matrim42]

So, the Ragnarok myth found in the Eddas is the false prophecy Odin is working off of most of the story, the actual truth is there is no fate, the Norns outright tell you as much, so the whole plot of the game revolves around breaking fate, so obviously some things will be completely different from the Eddas.

[@mick-ericboettge8683]

As anyone mentioned to him that all these changes are intentional since Kratos is actively derailing fate?

[@ShAdoWj1995]

Well the whole point of the game was breaking fate and changing ragnarok, and they did

[@DemianCorvus]

I'd love for this guy to actually play the game instead of watching some cutscenes. It would give him much more insight about the writing decisions made, and how that plays into the interpretation of the source material of norse mythology. For instance: why everything plays out different as a part of the "defy fate" plot of the game and stuff, or to what degree Mimir stories are certain, and Santa Monica's take on Odin's thirst for knowledge and stuff.

[@pezboy715]

He’s got a lot to say about the game being unfaithful to the source material, but he never once mentioned what Kratos’ role was in the existing literature.