NORTHSEAKAYAK - Worst Case Scenario II

So, let’s talk about safety! It has been a while since our first “Worst Case Scenario” video (where we are recovering an unconscious victim in awaiting of the Coast Guard) and our attention was drawn by a few real-life stories from fellow paddlers that lost their boat during their trips. Why is it that a board surfer is tethered to his board, and a surf skier is also tethered to his surf ski….? But I rarely hear sea kayakers tethering themselves to their boat? Of course, it can be dangerous in specific situations such as during surfing, or during rock hopping. But when one goes offshore than there are only benefits by attaching yourself to your boat. We tried a few setups during the past year, going from the use of the long tow line on the belt to a mid-size safety line, to the short tow line just in front of the cockpit. I chose the last option, where I hook the carabiner of the short tow line (a piece of bungie) to the loop of my spray deck. That way I can still pull my spray deck in case of emergency, it is also not in the way of a roll. There is also a minimum risk of entanglement. This video shows what could happen if you lose your boat, and how you can prepare yourself for the worst-case scenario. Feel free to comment or share experiences and what works best for you. Have fun and be safe on the water!

[@cali_weejock]

I hope whoever gave this episode a thumbs down at least gave an explanation why? This is great advice and really gives an impression of a real life scenario. Thanks for taking the time to make this episode and additionally thank you to the rescue team for assistance. Great job 🙏🏻

[@Northseakayak]

Hi! We noticed that almost every of our videos has 1 thumb down. We believe it is always the same jealous and hatefull person. We don't mind as we get a lot of positive comments such as the one you have posted. That is what keeps is going. Cheers!👍👌😊

[@MrJujitsu62]

There are always trolls out there ....idiots with nothing going for them and too much time on their hands . You might think mommy would give them a job & get them off the couch ; maybe clean the tiolets or something .

[@jamiesykes1115]

Thank you for making this important video Dimitri. I agree, that it is often a very good idea!

[@Northseakayak]

Hi Jamie, it was my pleasure. It is a very weird feeling, all alone out there with loss of my boat. Good it was just a training drill. Have fun out there, cheers!👍👌

[@PhilEvansOnline]

Great video Dimitri. Essential advice! Losing your kayak at sea and still smiling, amazing!

[@Northseakayak]

Thanks Phil! Yeah, I noticed this when I was editing, was like a kid playing in the swimming pool! Cheers 👌😊😉

[@PHSeaKayaks]

Great video, Dimitri! That Valkyrie sure is fast, even without a paddler ;P

[@Northseakayak]

Hahahaa!! We even made jokes about it in our team! When it's on my roof rack, it even makes my car go faster!!😁🤣😂

[@PHSeaKayaks]

@@Northseakayak Haha, brilliant!

[@Jim553just]

Another really useful demonstration of safety preparations. Now, I will tether myself, not something I have done before. Many thanks

[@Northseakayak]

You're welcome! Yes, at sea you never know what is going to happen. Better safe than sorry, just beware not to tether yourself in the surf zone or during rock hopping. Enjoy!👌

[@MrJujitsu62]

Super safety tip . I have never kayaked in the sea ; just fresh water lakes & even then ; things can go very wrong . Thx

[@Northseakayak]

You're welcome Doug, be safe and enjoy! :-)

[@somogyilevente2677]

Awesome content, as always!

[@Northseakayak]

Thank you very much!!👌👍😊

[@saadkhaled7478]

Great videos mate. New sub. Keep up the amazing work. Paddle safe!

[@Northseakayak]

Hi, and thank you!! We will, you to, paddle safe and have fun!💪😊👌

[@jakel6473]

always great videos -thanks !

[@Northseakayak]

Hello Jake! Thank you for the nice compliment!😁🤗

[@klausjensen9150]

Tether to the kayak , that is a good idea on open water , and one thing we were not taught during our courses . Makes sense as severe winds kicking up a short chop can blow the kayak away from a person and there is now way that one can match that speed with full outfit on . Funny , we tether ourselves to the sail boat , why not the kayak when in open water . ?

[@Skagglavar]

Great instructional videos. Thank you

[@Northseakayak]

You're welcome Karl, glad you enjoy them! Have fun out there! Cheers!💪💥😊👌

[@kalasag9113]

Greetings, Dmitri! Thanks for demonstrating and sharing your "How to conduct a proper sea kayak "Mayday" call. A request please? Can you share as well the makes/models of your safety gear/equipment you have in your person (ie, strobe, personal locator, vhf)? Thanks!

[@Northseakayak]

You're welcome! Thanks for watching. I will make a video on all of our safety gear as soon as possible. 👌👍😊

[@andybrotonsfishing]

very informative

[@caiaqueirosraiz1879]

Amazing video!

[@Northseakayak]

Cheers 😎👌

[@Mhdogman]

Great video. I'm not brave enough to go out there. Big big sharks live there. I found it strange how your boat submarined, seems like it would slow you down.

[@mrjams6140]

Good rescue lesson👍

[@Northseakayak]

Thank you!!👍👌

[@ArielManeraPesca]

Buenisimo !! nuevo suscriptor !!

[@Northseakayak]

Thank you for this!! Cheers 👍👌😊

Awesome video ! and thank you for the informations. I'm an offshore kayak angler, I also carry a portable VHF with DSC but no PB can you share your personal beacon. Thank you again

[@Northseakayak]

Thank you! I use the McMurdo FastFind 220 PLB. Cheers!👍👌

[@jeff8693]

Thank you well done

[@Northseakayak]

Glad you like it! Always nice to get a compliment! Cheers 😉👍👌

[@patrickbusche5665]

Hello Dimitri, thank you very much for your representative, exemplary and informative videos, may I ask you which kind of drysuit you were using in this situation, and which you could recommend ....? 👍

[@Northseakayak]

Hi Patrick, Thanks for the compliment! We use TYPHOON dry suits for all our training during colder season. I now use PS440, Multisport Sea Kayak and Roan. Cheers

[@patrickbusche5665]

@@Northseakayak 😎👍

[@kayasper6081]

I have been thinking about clipping yourself to you kayak since some time now, so I am happy you mention it. But wouldn´t it also be possibile that it causes a real hazard when you get tangled up or somehow get stuck with the cord and the boat?

[@Northseakayak]

Hi there! We only use it during offshore trips, never in the surf zone or during rock hopping. After a capsize, when you're next to your boat you have to unclip and perform your self-rescue. It's too short to get entangled in. Have a try when you got the time. Cheers!

[@raman5329]

Yes, make sure the line is long enough and rolls out easily from its pouch. Use a line which is floating on the water. It doesn't trouble you during capsize and bailing out. Plus a good one has a quick release mechanism to get rid of it. The only issue I ever had in a real emergency was the line wrapping itself around my leg while swimming to the shore. It did cost precious energy to get free and keep swimming. In this case it would have been better to let the boat go and focus on swimming.

[@kayakcobber524]

Used a quick release carabineer for a while...works good but I think beter to have a big one you have to open yourself

[@feiz01]

Invaluable lesson ,,, thanks for taking the time to share ,,,,, do you mind doing a small video showing your self to kayak teather ?

[@Northseakayak]

My pleasure, and thank you for watching and commenting. You can see how I tether myself in the beginning of the video, with the loop of my spraydeck onto the carabiner of the short tow line just in front of the cockpit. Can you see it? Cheers!👍👌😉

[@davidwebster5235]

NORTHSEAKAYAK it’s not too clear how long the tether is. Whatever you have done here I intend to do also so if you can give a bit more detail that would be great. Thanks for doing this.

[@Northseakayak]

Hi there, the tether goes from the decklines left to the right and back, one loop. You can also see this in the newest video The Run. Are we connected on Facebook? I can send you a picture if you want? Cheers 👌😁👍

[@Alastair510]

@@Northseakayak Ah, I get it. Just like on a yacht where a crew member clips into the safety lines. Awesome idea.

[@Northseakayak]

@@Alastair510 👍 You can also see the short tow-line in our more recent video Sea Kayak Safety Equipment. Hope this helps? Cheers!😊👌

[@leslierhodes5467]

My first time out see I came out of my boat luckily I was within a couple of swim strokes of holding onto my boat and my friends came to the rescue really quickly but I will agree with you most important to carry all the safety equipment that you can and Tether yourself

[@leslierhodes5467]

I even caught it on my own action camera

[@Northseakayak]

Hi Leslie, thanks for sharing your story. Glad you were OK. Sometimes this works, but if the wind goes in the opposite direction of the current.... then it is nearly impossible to swim back to the kayak. We also tested this within our team. Cheers! 👌😊

[@distrachan2671]

good and good music too!

[@Northseakayak]

Thank you!!😊👌

[@LifeisGood-ye8rl]

Getting rescued by 3 beautiful women. Not sure if it’s real life or you died and angels just carrying you to meet your maker

[@Northseakayak]

Hahahaha, that is also a way to look at it!🤣

[@johnstanners3755]

Good video but I don't think I would approach a casualty in the water stern first with the outboard so close. It may well have been shut down but accidents do happen. People and props don't mix well!

[@Northseakayak]

Yeah I know, had the same thought afterwards, but then again, it is not always easy to approach the way you want. Thanks for the compliment, be safe and have fun!😊💦👌

[@callsignkkangchul]

goood movie, thanks.

[@Northseakayak]

Thank you!😊

[@patriotpatriotic3894]

Very informative! Also Is in that case, long rope atached to the kayak help? and maybe inflatable baywatch buoy is a good idea to rest on it and to float, would save energy and won't be the whole body in the water?

[@Northseakayak]

Hi Angel, a long tow line will keep your boat with you for sure but you will have a high risk of entaglement. Better try the short tow line. 👍 An paddle float would be a good help to perform a self rescue but try to train without first. Cheers!👍👌😊

[@patriotpatriotic3894]

@@Northseakayak Thanks for Your answer!

[@SC-vw1nx]

It’s really good

[@Northseakayak]

Thank you!!👍👌😊

[@Gkitchens1]

Great video! But I feel you missed something very important. You must be able to untether yourself quickly if your kayak sinks, so it doesn't take you down with it.

[@Northseakayak]

Hi Gregory, it can be untethered quickly, no problems there. And a sea kayak with flooded cockpit and a teared hatch and flooded bulkhead will not sink. A part of the kayak will stay on the surface, we tested this out, see video;

[@Northseakayak]

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[@andresvoolar5469]

Hi. What kind of system you are using for attaching yourself to kayak?

[@Northseakayak]

Hi Andres, you can see it in the video at 00:30. It is a short towline (bungie with 2 carabiners) just in front of the cockpit. No restriction when rolling, no risk of entaglement when bailing out and you can still pull your spraydeck. Feel free to try it out. Have fun and be safe! Cheers 👍👌😊

[@guyhotube]

If you are tethered what is the risk of pulling yourself and boat closer together, possibly then re-entering? Is it the risk of the boat being tossed at you by waves?

[@Northseakayak]

Hi Guy, I am not sure what you mean. Tethered or not, one has always to be carefull for not beeing hit by your own boat. This risk is greatest in the surfzone die to the breaking waves. Is that an answer to your question? Cheers 👌👍

[@kajak-in-gelderland6818]

Hoi Dimitri, een vraag over de VHF. Ik heb er zelf ook een Standard Horizon type weet ik even niet uit mijn hoofd maar ondervind een probleem als de speaker nat is communicatie zo goed als onmogelijk word. Hoe ervaar jij dat. Vooral met kajakken is die meer nat dan droog. Ik denk zelf dat het tijd is voor vervanging maar kan daar maar weinig over terug vinden. In het filmpje is de jouwe meer dan nat. Heb je tussentijds de communicatie deze ook moeten uitblazen of iets dergelijks. Vriendelijke groet “KiG”

[@Northseakayak]

Hallo Noorderbuur! Ik moet telkens water uit micro en luidspreker blazen. Werkt steeds bij micro, maar de luidspreker gaat dan telkens een pak stiller. We anticiperen daarop door het volume op de hoogste stand te zetten. Vroeger hadden we een Icom met "waterloosfunctie" die het water eruit trilt. Nadeel was dat de radio nooit lang mee ging door problemen met de waterdichtheid. Iets waar SH een pak hoger scoort. 😊👌

[@kajak-in-gelderland6818]

@@Northseakayak dank voor de reactie Zuiderbuur😉. Dat is goed en slecht nieuws. Waarvan goede dat ik niet de enige ben..slechte dat een dingetje blijft. Ik ga eens zoeken of ik iets op kan vinden. Nog een vraagje. Mooi om te zien dat jullie deze redding oefeningen zo groot en serieus aanpakken. Is daar iets meer over te vertellen dat meer lokale verenigingen motiveert om dit ook op kunnen pakken met hun lokale reding organisaties. Over hoe jullie dit aanpakken en zo.

[@Northseakayak]

@@kajak-in-gelderland6818 die organisatie van reddingsoefeningen hangt bij ons af van connecties met diensten en beroepsvaart. Én belangrijk, het kunnen aantonen dat het niet alleen voor ons, maar ook voor hen nuttig is. Véél groeten!👌😊

[@wisenber]

I leash the paddle I'm using as well (with a spare on deck).

[@Northseakayak]

We did use the paddle leash in the beginning years, but not anymore. We like to use our paddle to aid in the self rescue. But good of you to keep things safe!👌😊

[@wisenber]

@@Northseakayak Interesting. I've had waves and gusts knock a paddle from my hands.

[@krzysztofgrasssnake]

Ok i will remember!

[@markb8954]

Greetings. So you are tethering to your sprayskirt loop? Not really to the boat? I watched at 00:30, can’t really see whats happening.

[@Northseakayak]

Hi Mark, I attach my short towline to the loop of my spraydeck. That way I am connected to my boat because the second carabiner hook is still attached to the decklines just in front of the cockpit. Cheers 👍👌😊

[@markb8954]

NORTHSEAKAYAK - thanks for that. It’s not very clear in the video how you are lashed up.. first ive ever seen or heard of tethering oneself to a boat like this.

[@woofna1948]

@@markb8954 The case for tethering has been made many times. Doug Lloyd wrote an article about it for Sea Kayaker Magazine 19 years ago. For some odd reason, sea kayakers have been very slow to adopt the practice. Paddleboarders and Surfski paddlers were early adopters, perhaps because they feel more closely aligned to surfing culture. River kayakers never tether and for good reason, and it seems that practice has bled over into rec kayaking and sea kayaking.

[@alishabab3]

The only issue of doing that is if you got hit by a big wave and you roll.. then the rope you have on the kayak that is connected to you will roll around the kayak and will be harder to take off.. some people have gone underwater and couldn't get back up cause the rope is holding them down.. I did this before on a sit on top going offshore through the surf and I was dumped and rolled on the surf waves.. Nearly died cause the kayak was pushing me down underwater and I couldn't get to the rope to cut it due to the surf hitting me all the time.. It's good sometimes and bad sometimes..

[@Northseakayak]

Yes, you are right of course. I did wrote it in the tekst that comes with the video that it is dangerous to tether during surfing or rock hopping. In open sea; nothing than advantages. :-) Cheers!

[@yt.damian]

@@Northseakayak You could use a 1m length of deck line so that you are not restrained by it.

[@thomasmedeiros5722]

I would add a GPS to your gear that is attached to your PFD. I keep my VHF Radio and GPS on me so I can broadcast my exact location in an emergency.

[@Northseakayak]

Hi, I understand. But I have no extra space for my GPS. In case of a real emergency I would activate my PLB with build in GPS. That works the same. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. 👍👌😊

[@richardnwilson]

A simpler and more effective solution would be to have a VHF radio with a DSC feature built-in. This automatically broadcasts your name, type of craft, and location and also doesn't require such good reception as for voice Communications. They're the same size as a regular VHF. A True Life Saver!

[@dragonmartijn]

Heeft je kayak los van het signaal dat jij op je pak hebt, ook een eigen signaal om hem terug te vinden?

[@Northseakayak]

Hoi Martijn, nee, mijn kajak heeft geen eigen baken. Als er iets gebeurd is het belangrijkste dat ze de kajakker vinden. Bij twijfel leg ik me wel vast aan de kajak, zeker offshore.

[@coriolanchassaing4887]

Thanks for this very useful vid ! When i gave thoughts myself about this problem, i got more afraid of trapping myself inside the yak, so i found it was preferable to be alive in the water waiting for help than drowned in the capsized boat... But your solution seems to worth a try. But there's something i don't understand in what you said in the beginning. In my point of view the wind is by far the biggest problem, regardless the speed & direction of the current, as the latter carries you both, man and boat. Of course the paddler has more inertia than his yak because he's heavier, but I think it's something you can neglect (but maybe i'm wrong), it's like running after someone in a treadmill, the main factor is the difference of run speed, and it doesn't really matter which way the treadmill is going. So the main problem is that a empty kayak has much more surface to wind than a swimmer, and nearly no draught, so it drifts way faster. I've never tried it but I'd say that with winds above 20 knots, it is impossible to catch a drifting yak, even for a very good swimmer, with clothes, shoes, PFD and gear, what do you think ? All you can hope then is that the yak took a LOT of water when you capsize, so it would drift slower... In any case your vid gave me some retrospective fear about some situations in which i could have been in trouble if i had been separated from my boat, so i'll reconsider my opinion about this !

[@Northseakayak]

Hi there! Thanks for your comment, glad you are busy with your safety. What I mean is that the current over here in the North Sea is strong. If the tidal stream is in the opposite direction than the wind the effect of losing your kayak becomes even bigger. An empty kayak will be swept away by the wind, and in bigger seas, also by breaking waves. On the other hand, the swimmer will drift away with the tidal stream. We tested this out in spring tide and of the kayak was only five metres away from the swimmer, he could not manage to get back to his boat. The video was made to let people think about this, certainly not to make you afraid. Besides tethering yourself you can also train yourself to grab your cockpitrim just before leaving your boat after a capsize. I hope this makes sense? Have fun and be safe, cheers!👍👌😊

[@coriolanchassaing4887]

@@Northseakayak Don't worry about my fears, they only occur after an expedition, not before, so they don't prevent me to do anything but push me to train and get better for the next raid ! My main playground is the north coast of Brittany up to the Iroise sea, so I do know what you mean about current, we basically get the same tides with a few hours lag ! I trust your experience but I don't understand the physics behind, but whatever...

[@justinprice7235]

@@coriolanchassaing4887 The physics are that most of your body is in the water, so the current is the main thing affecting you, but most of the kayak is out of the water, in the air, so the wind affects it much more.

[@berniegreen6628]

What way would you recommend to tether yourself to your kayak?

[@Northseakayak]

Hi Bernie, I use the short tow line just in front of my cockpit. Less change of entanglement and not in the way to perform a roll, or to pull your sprayskirt. I tether this to the loop of my spray deck. You can see it briefly in the first part if the video. Cheers!

[@chrismayou2238]

Can you share how you tethered yourself to your kayak?

[@Northseakayak]

Hi Chris, You can see it in the video at 00:30. I use my short tow line right in front of the cockpit. You can bail out after a capsize without restrictions, it's not in the way while rolling and it keeps your kayak near. Just don't use this in the surfzone, or during rock hopping. Very safe to use when offshore. Best of luck! Cheers!

[@lxoxrxexnx]

NORTHSEAKAYAK why not in the surf zone or rock hopping?

[@Northseakayak]

Hi Loren, because you can be pulled away with brutal force of breaking waves. Chances are that you get injured, or even hit by your own boat. After a capsize you have to make sure to get your boat inbetween you and the beach. That is the safest way and also the reason why you better not tether yourself in surf. I hope this makes sense? Have fun, and be safe! Cheers 😊👌

[@Unaimend]

Which pfd are you using in this video?

[@Northseakayak]

Hi Thomas, this is a HIKO Aquatic. Great buoancy aid! Cheers 👌👍

[@Unaimend]

@@Northseakayak Thank you for the quick response :)

[@Northseakayak]

@@Unaimend , you're welcome!😉👍👌

[@smugglerthesnuggler1622]

i dont like the thought of a lose rope to get tangled around myself,

[@Northseakayak]

I understand, completely. That is why we tried out some posibilities and came up with the idea of tethering the short towline just in front of the cockpit, to the loop of the spraydeck. Very little chance of entaglement. Have a try. Cheers 👍👌😊

[@douglasfry5455]

Yes, getting Tangled in line, like loose fishing line is a real consideration.

[@Wings_of_foam]

Lol, try this with a 10m2 kite in 14m/s on the open Ocean.

[@broddireyrhansen1297]

What type of VHF are you using ?

[@Northseakayak]

Hi Broddi, this is a Standard Horizon HX300. Fully waterproof and I have it for years now. 👍👌

[@olkofri]

So you can call channel 16 with this VHF right of the box ?

[@Northseakayak]

Yes indeed! It floats and as you can see it works even when in the water. Over here in Belgium you need to register this. Cheers 👌

[@dunneryak]

That coast guard lady can come rescue me too!!!!! 8^P

[@Northseakayak]

She probably just sail over you! Cheers mate 😂🤣😁

[@SuperOCHomes]

Ok, I'm gonna bite... Is there a worst case scenario part I?

[@Northseakayak]

Hahahaa, yes there sure is! Have fun! 😉😎👌 kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHrTf4SLn8iSsM0

[@Aluminata]

Better of carrying a remote control to guide it back.

[@Northseakayak]

Now that is an idea!!😂🤣😁👌

[@davidwebster5235]

Sent a fb friend request. I’ll share my ideas there. Cheers

[@Northseakayak]

Thank you, speak soon! :-)

[@lesterma1608]

If you fall over you are not getting back in! Sit on is better

[@Northseakayak]

I understand, we started with a sit-on-top kayak back in the days too. But, have a look at our other instructionals and you will see that there are option to get back in your sit-in kayak also. Cheers 👍👌😊

[@woofna1948]

Hi Lester - There are pros and cons to every kayak. In your preference for a sit-on-top (SOT) design, you're in good company. The California-based Tsunami Rangers prefered SOTS for the extreme rock gardening and surfing they pioneered on the Pacific coast. Their SOTS are sleek craft, unique in design, and can be rolled if desired when the paddler uses the optional seat belt. They are certainly easier to self-rescue if you don't have a reliable reenter and roll. However, as Dimitri notes, there are many methods of reentering a traditional decked boat, both assisted and solo. Regardless of the type of craft you paddle, it's important to practice your recovery technique until it's second nature - and to practice in the conditions in which you will be paddling or are likely to encounter.

[@ridged8]

What about in rough seas? Do you fear the boat beating the sh*t out of you? practice rolls always my friend :-)

[@Northseakayak]

I'm more scared of loosing my boat and lifesaving equipment in it. As said before, no tethering in the surf zone or during rock hopping. I can roll, pretty good in fact. But it's like driving a car....I'm a good driver.... But that does not mean that I don't wear my safety belt. 😁😉

[@woofna1948]

For those paddlers who either promote or believe the myth of the bombproof roll, I offer a cautionary tale - one that made me a believer in a well-constructed boat tether. I've heard all the arguments why boat tethers and kayaks don't mix, so save your breath on that one. Just read the account of the little swim I took over twenty years ago and draw your own conclusions. I don't care what you decide to do one way or the other, I just want you to make an informed decision. Here's the link: www.coldwatersafety.org/Rule5.html#rule5Case2

[@xyzzy692]

Moulton, the bombproof roll is NOT a myth. No matter how many video examples I post to the contrary, you will say it is - reality check! Please post a video showing your roll. I suspect you don't have one, but I will be happy if you prove me wrong. Now go ahead, go ballistic as you always do when someone points out flaws in your argument. Tethering yourself to your kayak is a dangerous thing to do. It is not a substitute for a reliable roll. There are no shortcuts or easy ways out. Develop a solid roll or don't venture offshore when you can't handle the conditions. I await your vitriolic response. Meanwhile, here's a video for your enjoyment, Moulton. I'm sure you will pretend this level of skill is impossible, and it is all a conspiracy, like the moon landing, right? kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHi7g3Wmmddpb6s

[@howardkenedy7635]

And then you being rescue by a pretty woman shhhhh lol

[@Northseakayak]

Sssst, don't tell anyone, but that is the reason why I let go of my boat in the first place! ;-)

[@dc9mm2]

Well tethering can be dangerous TOO. The tether can wrap around you in big waves and make the boat pound against you. I suppose when coming in release the tether in surf zone but still tethers are not a good option. Learning better skills such a rolling is a MUCH better choice. If you can't roll DON'T paddle alone way out there. . Plus tethers can break too. If your life depends on a tether your in a situation you shouldn't be in in the first place. There my explanation why thumbs down.

[@Northseakayak]

Yes, I said in the text that comes with the video pretty much the same. No tethering when in the surf zone or during rock hopping. However this short tether, as we use it, is difficult to entangle in because of its short lenght. Have a try yourself before commenting, you might find it usefull too. Cheers! 👍👌😉

[@Northseakayak]

And I can roll, pretty good in fact. But I rather build in an extra safety measurement, I don't believe in so called "bomb-proof" rolls even if my last failed roll dates back many years ago. There is no such thing as beeing over-prepared. Be safe and have fun on the water!😉👌👍

[@dc9mm2]

@@Northseakayak What you call an Extra safety measure I call an Extra hazard.. Even if its short then maybe not get entangled but get bashed by the boat if you CANT get away from it when you need too. I wont TRY things that are bad, that's like saying try this drink of rotten apple juice. BUT I have SEEN tethers CAUSE bad situations. as far as a roll being bomb proof. YES they can You can roll even with no paddle if you learn how too. NOW in white water I have seen guys stuck in a whole were they roll a dozen or more times until exhaustion then come out. BUT that doesn't happen in sea kayaking. Clearly we wont agree on this BUT I think everyone should know there are OTHER views on tethering.

[@Northseakayak]

Always keep an open mind!! I invite you to tell your arguments to a surf skier who paddles just like us in open and rough water. He can get bashed too, can he not? Or maybe tell this to Moulton Avery from the National Center die Cold Water safety, who has read, seen and investigated numerous cases with unprepared or ill-prepared kayakers involved. You're right on rolling, but so wrong on tethering yourself in open seas. Do it your way, I won't argue anymore, nor hold you back. I can only wish that never happens to you during your trips. All the best! 👌👍

[@datapro007]

@@Northseakayak Moulton Avery? The guy can barely roll on flatwater. Referencing him detracts from your credibility. I agree with dc9mm. Tethering is a poor choice for sea kayakers. Develop your skills. Don't claim it can't be done. It's absurd.