Norton DP-75: Titanium Plus German Police Pistol

[@SpaztallicA]

"Look at those subtle rosewood grips, the thickness of it......oh my god, it even has gold highlights."

[@arnoldoxenschwanz1385]

Patrick..?

[@michaelo5665]

Very tasteful....

[@brandonobaza8610]

"Let's see Paul Allen's EDC"

[@jonmeray713]

That AOC pic with a mustache is the funniest thing ive ever seen

[@coolmovie2137]

Let's see Paul Allen's gun

[@StepSherpa]

I like how it started out with "this is a very rare gun" and ended with "and you also get this miniature version, oh and you get a spare mag for both"

[@GreatgoatonFire]

The black and gold looks really good.

[@jasonarmstrong5750]

GreatgoatonFire it’s a damn sexy color combo

[@Awoken_Remmuz]

GreatgoatonFire black and gold is that kind of colour combo that rarely goes wrong, up there as one of my favorites.

[@davekrab3363]

Just like a Rottweiler

[@StarkRaven59]

If I had to guess, the gold is actually treated titanium of some variety.

[@JerresYouTubular]

As a gun affectionado I would even call it 'Sexy'....going to try and reduplicate that finish on one of my pistols. Its like a deep purple-to-black blueing except that I'm not sure if you can blue Titanium. Excited to see what I can come up with.

[@samrussell4065]

Someone once said that art is anything done with passion. That level of attention to detail is truely something to be respected

[@kilppa]

This must be one of the most beautiful firearms I've ever seen.

[@metalman6708]

For anybody wondering the coatings on the gun aren't purely aesthetic. The gold color is TiN coating and the black is I think TiAlN. Titanium has a tendency to gall and those coatings serve as a lubrication factor to the gun while also surface hardening it. The coatings were probably chosen with that in mind and the aesthetics are just an awesome byproduct.

[@Kazuhira2249]

some guns are black because of the treatment

[@alexdemoya2119]

"Don't talk to me or my son ever again"

[@PAX-East]

"Oh boy l, how awesome, I wonder how much this will sell for! Probably anywhere from one to four thousand." *sold for 22,000*

[@hansel498]

Fok jou

[@nickhowatson4745]

$22,425.

[@christopherzarcone1363]

So I heard you like backup pistols so we have a backup to your backup

[@svtirefire]

Haha I thought exactly this

[@confuseatronica]

what is this, a gun for (very very large) ants?

[@randymagnum143]

Perfect underwear gun.

[@ThisNewHandleSystemSucks]

confuseatronica Just cats with an abnormal level of paw dexterity.

[@patrikkarlsson9463]

So you can backup when you backup...

[@JamesLaserpimpWalsh]

That is a Dr Evil pistol surely.....there is even one for mini me. heh

[@NikeaTiber]

Clearly from the Dr. Evil collection. I guess this means there will never be another Austin Powers movie.

[@MrTubularBalls]

Damn you beat me to it!

[@exploatores]

when I saw them first I thought the minature was a normal size gun and the other was some gigantic experimental gun.

[@nickkennedy9034]

yeah I thought it was gonna be like "here is a gun designed for Andre the Giant"

[@robdevenney]

Stunning pistol and whoever made the tiny one was the king of machinists

[@felixcat9318]

An utterly rare and exotic gun... accompanied by an even more rare and exotic gun! That is truly a pair of pistols I'd love to own.

[@sirzack0002]

It looks like a rogue rich cousin of a Walther that never comes around anymore, but is always trying to show off on Facebook since he never lived up to the fame of the Walther.

[@cheesepie72]

Anyone else been occasionally distracted by that array of Thompson's behind him?

[@davekrab3363]

NoFilter : Yes, the last few vids have been distracting

[@tomthompson7400]

still looks sleek and modern , the miniaturised version is a total work of art.

[@mastathrash5609]

Loving that "gold" finish on various parts and the wood grips, very classy.

[@ashman187]

Front mounted 1 step disassembly lever. Jet Li move very possible.

[@MrHodoAstartes]

ash man Possible but unlikely. This is a unicorn pistol made from solid unobtanium. Nobody stands infront of this and knows how to disassemble it. You might even fumble it when disarming the wielder because it is much lighter than it looks.

[@rifles_up2263]

First thing I thought about 😂🤟🏽

[@mojoman2001]

Who wouldn't pull the trigger?

[@JohnDoe-pv2iu]

Wasn't anyone taught reaction time/distance training? If dude starts rushing, you fire. If they touch you it is after being shot or you got in too close.

[@einzelfeuer_2855]

@lahokc59 While they're disassembling my gun I'll just pull my knife lol

[@Waldherz]

So finally a Norton product that adds security to my life xd

[@Tripp426]

What a gorgeous pistol and that mini version is downright adorable.

[@danielwatters1203]

FWIW: Three designs were accepted and issued as a result of the West German police trails. These were the Walther P5, the SIG-Sauer P6, and the HK P7. The Walther P5 was fielded by the Landespolizei in Rhineland-Palatinate and Baden-Wurttemberg. The SIG-Sauer P6 was fielded by the Bundesgrenzschutz, Bereitschaftspolizei, Bundeszollpolizei, Bundesbahnpolizei, Bundespostpolizei, and the Landespolizei in West Berlin, Schleswig-Holstein, Hansestadt-Hamburg, Bremen, North Rhine-Westphalia, and Hessen. The HK P7 was fielded by the Bundesgrenzschutzgruppe 9 (GSG9), Bundeskriminalamt (BKA), and the Landespolizei in Lower Saxony, Baden-Wurttemberg, and Bavaria.

[@MS-il3ht]

The GSG9 is not a border patrol agency though

[@LordStarbeard]

@@MS-il3ht Oh really? Why does their "GSG9" stand for Grenzshutzgruppe then? They might have been renamed in 2005 to bundespolizei, but their origin as part of border security remains...

[@akrinornoname2769]

@@MS-il3ht Not in practice, but officially they are. GSG9 literally translates to Border Security Group 9.

[@dfdf5366]

I think it is a lovely design. I would love to get my hands on this interesting piece. I thank you for showing me this.

[@mrbreck1]

I was able to get a detonics combat master for my father about twenty years ago, it was his unicorn. Bead blasted finish, though i believe at the time it was called matte stainless. They are not terribly hard to find, they are just hard for me to lay my hands on when i have the spare cash. At the same small town pawnshop they had an asp. I have been kicking myself since then for not buying both of them. It was some years later and either gun digest or a guns and ammo article that made me realize what i had passed up.

[@MichaelOZimmermannJCDECS]

@@mrbreck1 back in the late 70s I bought one, had a carrying license for it... Loved that stainless finish. Nice and potent little gun! 🧐 Now,a after listening to Ian about the Norton, I wonder how nice this Detonics would be in Titanium...

[@confuseatronica]

ankle holster backup gun for a security guard at the MRI department....

[@MichaelPoage666]

I've come back to this video several times when it pops up as a suggestion. Man, this is a beautiful gun. Maybe my favorite pistol on any Forgotten Weapons video, at least as far as looks go.

[@JerresYouTubular]

That miniature is so cool. Makes the Rare HSP even more attractive as a set.

[@whpainting]

This video goes to show the high "caliber" of video you provide in this channel. One gets a true education from your work. Thanks. Love the black and gold look.

[@charlesadams1721]

Back in the 1980’s I remember advertising and articles from Smith and Wesson concerning their Nyclad ammunition,. As best I remember, it was limited to law enforcement. Again according the memory, the round had a special load and case. The Nyclad round was accused by some in Congress to be “cop killer” bullets, on that they would act in a similar manner to the Teflon Coated bullets, similarly marketed in the same time frame. At the time, Teflon and Nylon coated bullets were purported to simply sail through the new Kevlar bullet proof vest newly in vogue with police departments (and in Hollywood). I don’t know if this is true, but a police Capt. in charge of training at the time told me that the Teflon and Nylon Coated bullets were designed to eliminate the danger of lead exposure on indoor shooting ranges largely used by large urban police departments.

[@kbar150]

Charles Adams it was sold by federal if memory serves. They had civilian sales but probably not as much as they would like

[@SinisterGerbils]

I have some ex-LE Federal Nyclad. From what I've read it was designed to eliminate lead fouling in the bore.

[@JerryEricsson]

I worked on the PD back when this was introduced. It was made so officers could fire on indoor ranges without the danger of inhaling lead particles. Before the introduction, it was not uncommon at all to be issued a box or two of full lead wad-cutters to practice with every month, but when the scientists decided this was dangerous the nyclad ammo came out to answer their concerns. Our Department never bothered since we did all of our training on outdoor ranges, even in the sub zero winter months when we needed the city to plow the road to the shooting range for our practice sessions. Back in those days our issue firearms were the Model 19 Smith and Wesson in .357 Magnum, but the training was all done with lower pressure .38 Special, usually reloads from Black Hills Ammo.

[@TheWarmotor]

It's pretty funny, I've got two cases of hot load, hardened steel-core penetrator 5.56 I'll take the pepsi challenge with a 9mm coated with whatever you want to coat it with. Bought it at WalMart.

[@troy9477]

That makes sense. As i recall, the Teflon coating was used on some armor piercing ammo, like the old KTW, because the projectiles were harder than steel (tungsten maybe?). Obviously, running a harder than steel projectile at high velocity down a gun barrel would quickly damage it. The Teflon was to protect the barrel. Contrary to uninformed belief at the time, Teflon did not allow it to "slip through" kevlar vests. The Nyclad "Chiefs Special" 38 load was popular for awhile because the coating allowed the bullet to be cast very soft, virtually guaranteeing at least some expansion from a snubby. There was some discussion of this in the gunzines of the time

[@brainc0la-_-]

Wow, that thing has more class than every car I've ever driven.

[@xXLtDudeXx]

Holy moly, I knew watching the vid it wasn't going to be cheap but dang.

[@solarflare1008]

What an incredible piece of engineering way ahead of his time.

[@JohannanasTheBrave]

This pistol is quite beautiful in its simplicity, I like it. Good video as always Ian!

[@LawkzBro]

you really get a feel for the size of the gun when you see it together with the mini one

[@nigelft]

When I first saw the thumbnail, I first thought the micro pistol was full sized, with the large one big enough for a fricking artillery shell ...

[@jacoblucas4259]

I think this thing looks super cool. I love all the little brass accents, especially against the nice wooden grips and finish on the frame.

[@kevlarandchrome]

Those were absolutely gorgeous, and a very interesting design. Thanks for featuring them Ian.

[@ifyoudontfailyouarenoteven6210]

I don't know what I admire more - miniature or original.

[@jackmcslay]

I was like "That's quite a tiny pistol" Video: "Hold my beer"

[@MrKinir]

Yeah that was quite a plot twist :)

[@christopherzarcone1363]

Genuinely mad that I don't have the money to get my hands on such a nice piece

[@kevlarandchrome]

I think a lot of us are.

[@dsandoval9396]

Same here. They both look nice and the big one alone is worth it for me.

[@pLAST3RdISAST3R]

That's just about the coolest thing, and mini-thing I've ever seen!

[@jordanhorst6]

That is a thing of beauty. Wish odd designs like this got revisited by modern manufacturers with modern tooling.

[@rosewhite---]

Now this is a nice gun! Slim and smooth without too many buttons and levers!

[@randymagnum143]

Doesn't make me want one of these, but now I want a Norton 850 commando!

[@HooDooBrown]

I wonder how good of a shot it is. Looks and disassembles like a dream.

[@jesusprieto2273]

What a beautiful pair of pistols, something I would gladly carry on me. Looks real classy!

[@M0torsagmannen]

now this is the sort of obscure/weird gun history i subscribed for

[@dreamingflurry2729]

This is a beautiful gun, the mini-me gun is nice, too (I like the attention to detail!) but I prefer full sized one! Great video Ian :)

[@russell4495]

I personally cannot afford to have one of these in my collection but,Ian your access and use makes me drule I'm personally slavering right now.👍👍

[@leepeel7129]

Titanium? Oh man, that is my new favorite gun. Pretty, too!

[@jameswoods7276]

That is one really nice looking pistol. The titanium. Why can't more pistols be done liken this? It's a timeless look in my opinion.

[@crabmansteve6844]

This is pure art.

[@scottmcfall4561]

That is one of the coolest things I have ever seen! Both guns are gorgeous! Great video.

[@anthonywolfe5304]

I love that pistol and the mini!! That's awesome. Wish I had the money to bid.

[@gfarrell80]

I like to think Ian never does any research, he was just born with all this obscure gun knowledge.

[@Big31sky]

Norton was a local company to me and I am familiar with their all stainless steel TP-70 which was a licensed copy of a pistol produced by Korriphilia as Ian mentioned. My guess would be that this was an attempt to produce another licensed copy of what I’m sure they (Norton) was hoping would be a light weight concealed carry pistol in a decent caliber, I’m almost willing to bet the cost of these attempts coupled with cheaply made “Saturday night specials” flooding the market around the same time (mid-1970’s) is what caused them to finally close their doors. A company in Florida also going by the name of Norton produced a garbage version of the TP-70 for awhile and then I believe American Arms in Provo Utah (not North America Arms, but possibly related) took over production for awhile.

[@perca444]

Are you drooling LifeSizePotato ?

[@18ipmg]

Looks like a piece of art.

[@SaltyMaverick]

Can we, like, petition some firearms manufacturer to start making these again? I REALLY want one.

[@davidcruz8667]

I'd buy one. Lovely, intelligently designed pistol.

[@1014p]

That’s a very neat gun, surprised it didn’t go anywhere.

[@tenacious645]

Those grips and that color scheme just gorgeous...I'd be happy with any compact size pistols with a metal frame and wooden handguards. I get so tired of these polymer wonders. They just fee cheap (not saying they are, or they shoot poorly. I'd trust my life daily to the Glock 19 or an M&P. I just prefer the weight and feel of metal frame firearms.)

[@lawrencecarpenter638]

I love watching your videos Ean.Im not into guns but realize there significance.U just explain them in the greatest of deatail.I should have subbed about 30 of your videos ago but am now.Thank u Ean.

[@benjimenfranklin7650]

This shows it is possible to build guns with out using plastic (polymer) . Very nice .

[@hansebee]

When Ian opened that lovely box... *gawk* .... 8-D

[@dobypilgrim6160]

So I am curious...How in the hell can anyone give this video a thumbs down? Fools. Good job on an amazing set Ian.

[@TheEpicpwnr100]

I like it. For some reason to me it gives off a sci-fi/cyver punk feel.

[@KGiustOD]

Ian opened the box and I couldn’t process if I was looking at a full size version or a miniature version of the gun he started showing. My brain was screaming “give me something for scale!”

[@mariushagberg5124]

That`s heavily inspired by the Walther P5. The similarities are stunning. I know, because I own one. I have a P5 Compact. Nice little compact gun that is surprisingly accurate and very well made. Salutations from Norway.

[@spacemanmoe5622]

Thanks Ian, that is a cool pistol and the mini to!

[@geraldgriffin8220]

Beautifully made I would love a pair of those....

[@resmarted]

really nice design. The black and gold is great.

[@danielwatters1203]

The nylon-coated Nyclad design was developed by Smith & Wesson back in the late 1970s when they manufactured their own line of ammunition. Originally, it was marketed as a cheaper alternative to jacketed projectiles while reducing airborne lead exposure, particularly with indoor ranges. When S&W got out of ammo manufacturing in the 1980s, Federal Cartridge bought the patent rights to the Nyclad. Federal's new Syntech line is sort of Nyclad 2.0, but they have replaced the nylon with a different polymer.

[@con6lex]

Daniel Watters I have some Nyclad in 38 Special. I thought the design was for hollow points. The lead was soft, to aid expansion, and the blue plastic coating prevented leading in the barrel, which would happen easily with softer lead.

[@danielwatters1203]

The S&W Nyclad patent (US4328750) mentions the reduction of airborne lead and lead fouling more often than aiding expansion. So did their advertisements at the time. In fact, S&W had offered their RN, SWC, and full wadcutter loadings in the Nyclad line roughly a year before introducing the Nyclad hollowpoints. When Federal announced their acquisition of the Nyclad patent in March 1982, they also noted the benefits of reducing fouling and lead polution before the benefits of expansion and feeding in semi-auto pistols.

[@con6lex]

Daniel Watters Thanks for the info!

[@paranoiia8]

Damn, this is seriously one of most beautiful pistol I'v seen... its small but bulky(bulky = look badass), it have cool materials, it have few shiny elements(if gun is overall to shiny its bad, but if it have just few fancy elements its just perfect) it is 9mm(I like it, its best balanced round). Only thing that I would love to see it double stack mag.

[@Chef4life79]

Amazing!, loss for words, love both pistols!

[@b.griffin317]

amazing to think this was being developed at the same time Gaston was brewing up the future of pistolry in his garage.

[@glockerbob]

Man ... That is the coolest pistol I have seen in a long time.

[@Airkoay]

That is so cool and genius design to have miniature to go with it:)

[@ranewridha120]

Fantastic machining. Drools quality.

[@liamthompson9342]

That is one good-looking gun. It looks like a small version of the blade-runner pistol.

[@gustavmeyrink_2.0]

A quick google showed that the nyclad ammo was just regular, standard pressure ammo in a variety of calibres. The metal jacket of normal ammo was replaced with nylon. People who used it report excellent feeding to the extent that guns with feeding issues may well work flawlessly with this ammo. Lacking a steel jacket the projectile deforms easily and reliably and also fragments regularly but not every time. It was recommended for home defense as it is less likely to penetrate walls fully. Rumour has it that it was pulled due to pressure from law enforcement agencies and forensics because the traces rifling left on the projectile could not be used to identify the gun it was fired from. It is available again allegedly using a differernt kind of nylon which does mark enough to pinpoint the gun.

[@sl00p3r]

What a nice little set.

[@rifles_up2263]

Very nice looking little pistol,kinda thick for a single stack but very nice,I like the mini too!

[@seppseppelmann4259]

That s the best most inovative small pistol i ve ever seen.

[@slimsammyone]

That miniature reproduction is amazing.

[@tomelisson1179]

The mini version is so cute

[@ducomaritiem7160]

Really awesome. I love miniatures.

[@IonoTheFanatics]

the gun itself is interesting, i dare say i love it but then... then that junior shows up... and then... Ian disassembled it revealing a fully working miniaturized version I think i need to stop drooling and prepare my wallet...

[@JerresYouTubular]

The RIA auction house estimates the cased set will bring between 6 and 8,000. Not bad for basically two 'One-of-a-kind' extremely rare & functional pistols.

[@JerresYouTubular]

James@ Believe it or not, the 4.25mm is not the smallest center fire bullet ever developed. The 2.7mm Kolibri holds that title at around 1/8 inch wide. the 4.25mm is a center fire cartridge slightly smaller than the .22 cal. The 4.25mm is a 12 to 15 gr. bullet measured at around 800fps. I believe it was originally designed for the Menz-Liliput semi-auto. Here is a link to those Mini-Me Micro Pistols: Kolibri: kzbin.info/www/bejne/innWdaN9f8ijoZo Menz: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3aQnoNoob-Cqqs

[@CiceroFMYT]

Sold for 22k

[@timmysmith5464]

@War Zone 2mm pinfire

[@viagrabuffalo5141]

Iono Sama guns? You want it? Its yours for only 22.425$!

[@troy9477]

Looks like an interesting locking system. Simple and straightforward, and does not appear to add any width. The use of titanium is a surprise- it had to make things expensive. Too bad it wasn't successful- it looks like a solid design. Great video as always. Thank you

[@JesseTFrank95]

Wow that’s a really cool set!!

[@foxkeithwhite1372]

It's got a really nice finish

[@tjo4087]

Wow, way too cool! Thanx for showing us!

[@sjoormen1]

Smaller version of the gun... that is very important lesson, always check scale in the given drawings

[@ToastyMozart]

"You had the machinery set to inches and not cm, right?" "..."

[@howardmaryon-davis666]

True story: some parts of the Hubble telescope were made in Europe. When it was up in space and failed to focus, it was noted that some parts were exactly 0.394 inches too small......

[@Timmysteve]

Really incredible video. Thanks, Ian, for another informative and interesting look into an unusual firearm!

[@tomalexander4327]

These are gorgeous.

[@MangetsuSAMURAI]

That is a stunning firearm. If they produced something similar to it today that was just a smidge bigger I would buy one.

[@martindrengenxbox360]

Just absolutely beautiful!

[@DistractiveVortex]

These are great! Man would I have loved to have them.

[@lolimoka3654]

That is the nicest looking pistol I have ever seen m8

[@abelardoruiz5544]

That's a very beautiful pistol.

[@Thomas-ei1yk]

I don't know much more about this pistol than you except that I want one REALLY badly.

[@highlandoutsider]

One thing I do know it they are stunning.

[@feralmale1517]

All I can say is WOW.

[@jayzenitram9621]

That is a beautiful and clever design

[@AsbestosMuffins]

this had to be one monster to machine, ive seen tool guys run for the hills just milling simple shapes from titanium