Nose Angle Cheat | Finding Your Perfect Grip to Throw Nose Down

Still having issues getting your throws nose down on the backhand side? This is a simple way to find out what nose down will both look and feel like at your release point.
If you're struggling with this issue I would recommend spending some time working through this and consider adding it to your pre shot routine for a while.
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0:00 - Intro
0:25 - The cheat
1:27 - Wrist angle and soupnation
1:53 - Put it in reverse Terry
2:39 - Work it out
3:17 - Air bounce?
3:50 - Peace

[@j_t_yang]

Reverse engineering the nose angle is genius. Tried this earlier and it also reinforces the release point. Can't wait to try out more of this during field practice

[@kyussvegas]

This makes so much sense! I've been tinkering with my grip to get the nose down more consistently, this seems like it's going to help me speed up that process.

[@michaelsimons3529]

I can’t wait to get out to the field to try this out. I’ve been struggling getting the nose down consistently and I’m getting tired of watching my disc fade out too early.

[@Agent_Michael_Scarn]

Your first nose angle video completely changed the way I think about the leading edge and has added so much distance and consistency to my drives. Much appreciated!

[@jacobskovsbllknudsen5908]

Been playing for 2,5 years now, and this tip was news to me! Thanks!

[@sethjones3941]

I'm a health and human performance major senior, you're mechanics advice is sooo good. Excellent stuff guys 🔥🔥🤙🤙

[@ryankurschat6061]

Amazing guide as always. Can't wait to try this and see how this works for me

[@timothydrury7552]

Thank you so much- changed my game completely- from tee to green!

[@bigjim4x]

So many people grip the disc in such a manner that it is almost impossible for them to throw nose down. I found that out the hard way! One little grip change and it solved everything.

[@jaredwhite571]

Always on point…much continued success!

[@thallman7147]

Great instruction as always. Between Molt, slingshot and you're channel it's been a huge enlightenment on my practice time. Thank you all so very much. Now if the blasted weather will just cooperate.

[@MrJoemuck]

Great Video. Looking forward to more cheats and tips.

[@billyfairbank]

Super tip! Another really useful video!

[@TheCpsiguy]

Thank you for the tip! Will be practicing this for sure!

[@brickchains1]

This is an awesome tip... I think I was doing something like this subconsciously already. Nose down is more important to start getting right first, before almost everything IMO.

[@jbryanj80]

Thanks for the video. I will be using this very soon!

[@kirthunt369]

Seems like awesome advice, i cant wait to try it.

[@justthefacts4965]

Simply. Brilliant.

[@prattacaster]

Nice, dropping right before a morning round

[@michaelsimpson88463]

Drive the thumb down till you can’t see your thumb nail, while gripping the disc. Perfect every time

[@kruksog]

I don't know if it's a simple matter of biology, or where my hit is, but I am not even close to where I need to be when my thumbnail disappears from view. I would say I'm definitely nose up actually.

[@DoingitWrongDG]

Thank you for the zoom in and the music pause when he says "grab the disc"

[@ethanlerway]

This video literally is a game changer for me. After a practice session yesterday and then another one this morning using my new grip (ended up being a 3 finger modified power grip, halfway between a power grip and fan grip) I went and played a round this evening and had 4 drives in a row in the 320-340 range. Previously my all time farthest throw was 325 with a strong tail wind and todays throws were all into a 15mph headwind. I obviously need a lot more practice but that kind of distance with any kind of consistency has always alluded me. My average full power throw has been 260-280 for the past 5/6 months. Needless to say, I’m STOKED.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Good stuff!

[@BelRiose2000]

Can you make a video about fixing Swoop?

[@Bmikel216]

Seconded. Been playing for over a decade and, if anything, my swoop has only gotten worse.

[@BigTpetty]

Was watching discraft’s CEO play a round with McBeth and noticed a pretty significant swoop.

[@dbarenski]

I think this guy should be a disc golf pro tour announcer. He’d crush it

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I’d love to give it a shot at least. I wouldn’t be surprised if I was the worst ever though

[@dbarenski]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf well, hey if you have difficulties, you’ll fit right in at on the disc golf network! And we’ll all still love it

[@eliarnold6497]

Love the video! Your hair looks extra poofy, I like it!

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Haha. Volume

[@SZbooyaka]

So, what Terry is saying you have to put your thing down, flip it, and reverse it.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I love that you read the chapter divisions. Makes it all worth it.

[@SZbooyaka]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf it’s the little details that show me how much work y’all put into this. Content and production is great!

[@axelandersson926]

Nose angle is my biggest problem, hope this helps.

[@1horton3]

If not you can also try grenade grip for backhand

[@williamburk5818]

I guess my grip is good for me already I just supinate my wrist like you said, basically let it hang down in my run up and if my release point is good it will come out nose down. If I release late it comes out nose up, it's a good way for me to know where my release point is at that day

[@komarinth]

The part about gripping different for different types of rim resonates with me. In another video, you talk about grip in terms of pinch point/pivot. Have you considered what to do with tall fingers to maintain a pivot? It would seem harder to find a point between finger and thumb close to shallower rims, if all fingers (and also the thumb) are taller. I would almost have to fold a fan grip to the center to achieve this for a low profile narrow rim. Is this perhaps a topic worth exploring, by inviting different hand shapes to your channel?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

It would be more lesson style in that scenario where I try to find grips specific for their hands.

[@georgejackson9484]

I've noticed several pros when photographed at full reach have the wrist heavily pronated. The disc is still in plane with the forearm but it looks to be "drooping" below the intended hyzer angle (viewed from behind). In trying to copy this I've discovered that different angles of pronation at reach give different nose angles at release. You said supination in this video which correctly states the action of going between a "droopy" reach and a correct release angle. For me, pronating to near vertical at reach is a downhill, squirrel hunter or early skip. 45 degrees is a tunnel shot and staying in plane with the forearm works for more elevation. Has this been discussed anywhere or am I just fooling myself?

[@themusketeer9458]

Can someone please talk about wriet angles rotated to the right or left? I keep pouring the cofee amd trying all sorts of different angles either rotating the wrist a bit more to the right when opening up or to the left. If i rotate my wrist back and to the left i get nmreally nose up, however the opposite is not creating nose down.. i get almost flat at best, but never truly nose down where i cant see the stamp. Just angling the wrist forward do not work, there has to be some rotation either to the left or right also no? Or maybe my swing is creating nose up some other way.. buy i have watched every nose angle video on youtube at this point and every single video they mention wrist forward and back, but i dont understand how not a single person is mentioning if you should rotate the wrist a bit to the left or right (by this i mean left =palm a bit more up to the sky, and right = down towards the ground).

[@LeftySupreme]

For some reason when I go out to do field work nose angle is never an issue when throwing in a calm or head wind, but throwing with a tailwind I can't get the nose down to save my life. I swear with a tail wind I'm watching the stamp spin through the whole flight and it's very frustrating. I'm going to give this a shot but any other advice anyone has would be fantastic.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I don’t know why that would be. Interesting though

[@davelopez9161]

Thanks! Just want to comment that air bounce can be useful when facing a shot where tree limbs are hanging down close to the ground.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

And super fun!

[@clayhollingsworth5423]

I've had a really hard time for years mastering nose angle on drives using a standard power grip. One day I tried moving my pointer finger on top of the disc, so the disc is between my pointer and middle finger with two fingers under the disc. I immediately started to hit my line and nose angle more consistently and am throwing further than ever before( finally at 64!) Do you think it makes sense for a weekend player like me to perfect this grip or keep working on a more traditional power grip? Am I giving up distance in the long run with this grip?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

That definitely works for some people. If it helped you I would keep doing it

[@EricMoyer]

Did you watch my instagram video? haha this is my exact problem i have with the swooping motion. and nose up. thanks for this great tip.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I didn’t see the video but glad I could help

[@Solami987]

Thanks for doing this video I remember requesting something about it, one thing I'm struggling with that I don't see any videos on is proper release height to get the best distance, Literally can't find any good videos about it, And I'm constantly struggling with throwing shots that are too low, I don't know if it's because of my elbow or reach back or what

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

That’s a hard one because of disc stability. If you were going for a real max distance line you would throw an understable disc on a high (maybe 40 feet or so) hyzer flip to anny line

[@Solami987]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf thanks for your insight as always, I didn't know that about using an understable disc. Height seems like a much more complicated and variable topic. I think the issue has been dropping my elbow and not keeping 90 degree bend on my arm as I come through, didn't have too much issue today

[@1horton3]

Thanks for posting this. A friend uses grenade grip for backhand. I noticed it’s similar to three finger and naturally allows nose to settle downward. Started doing this and works ok. Any thoughts on this as an approach to this question ? Especially if there are problems that could develop ?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Like with his index finger on top of the disc?

[@1horton3]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf yes precisely

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@1horton3 that’s called the bonopane grip. It can get the nose down but I think you’ll still lose spin.

[@1horton3]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf ok I’m glad you mentioned that because insufficient spin is an issue either way (power grip or bonopane). Do you have (or could you recommend) a video on techniques improving spin?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@1horton3 our backhand grip video touches on it. Other than that you’ll need to be pretty deep in the pocket to get spin. So the box drill

[@linusthorsell437]

Ive recently gotten really good at getting the nose angle far down, but that means that i tend to throw straight into the ground even though i do my best to throw it upwards, any tips for that?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Probably a swing path issue and not a severe nose down issue. I would have to see your throw to know though

[@jeffheyer7783]

I agree with overthrow.. I think you are releasing too late. At the 12 o’clock position, causing your wrist to roll over too much.

[@01ai01]

When I throw the disc level with no nose up or down, I get at least an extra hundred feet. The only time I can use actual nose down is for downhill tunnel shots. And in case this isn't obvious, I'm justing poking fun at some less than helpful disc golf jargon :)

[@jcrabe35]

How do you throw "higher" without throwing nose up? When I try to throw higher and/or farther, it's always nose up and stalls out

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

More supination. Check out our first nose angle video

[@thompson222]

It is godd*mn hard to soupinate. I guess I'll try 3 finger power grip for more nose down, if I "pour the coffee" too much my wrist is stiff. Do you suggest throwing nose down with putters and midranges too btw ?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Depends on the shot but putters and mids like a little nose up.

[@thompson222]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf tahnks

[@osmajormonen2193]

How about throwing putter? When you need some height for putter to fly long

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Putters don’t mind a little nose up but I think for distance shots with putters you’ll still want the nose down a little

[@HammerFitness1]

Do you see any problems concerning stiffness/lack of relaxed upper body when your clients have their throwing elbow up and forearm parallel with their torso on their walk up? Of course professionals probably won’t need to but I keep getting told by a guy I play with that I shouldn’t have my arms like that on my walk up (not that this guy is an authority or anything, we’ve played the same length of time)

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I see issues with people being loose in general, but lots of pros have their arm up like that beforehand so I don’t know why it would be an issue. You can do the same setup loose or not loose.

[@HammerFitness1]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf great, yeah I also don’t see a problem but was wondering if someone like you did. Thanks man

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@HammerFitness1 absolutely brotha

[@HammerFitness1]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Loose elbow and wrist joints while shortening the front deltoid is tough lol

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@HammerFitness1 I don’t know about the front deltoid but I know drew and Simon do it

[@Sapfo26]

Hi, do you have some "cheat" for the sidearm, to throw nose down?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Check grip and then see how much you’ll need to pronate the arm for it to be nose down at hit. Not talking about a huge snap mid throw but you might just need to turn your palm a little more down than you have been. Hard to tell without looking.

[@Sapfo26]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Ahaa, thanx, for the tips, I'll try it🙏👍

[@Gerbs964]

Love the jacket. brand??

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Guess. That’s the brand, not a command

[@Gerbs964]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf 😂😂 you are witty my friend.

[@Henselen1]

Sweet do you have an if?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

What’s an IF?

[@ryansuter4424]

👍

[@Precisionmagert]

Soupanation

[@DrArmadilloPhd]

#Supinationsquad

[@sarinhighwind]

If we look at the Feldberg video on grip, he specifically states that the pinky is the controller of nose angle. And I put some thought into this and was like ... Yeah. Ended up being that if I wanna really crush nose down for sure, I gotta put my pinky up on the rim to make sure I force down the nose. Which is annoying, cause everything else I throw with a power fan. This is a pretty neat idea though.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I definitely feel the three finger helps get the nose down big time and if my pinky is locked in there I’m doing nose up

[@sarinhighwind]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf It's like one of the weirdest things how grip is. But the key to disc golf in general is nose control. And some people are just super lucky and have natural nose down throws! and they can go fly a kite or something. hahaha There are lots of bad ways to throw that work, but a clean nose down throw will keep you on the course longer and with less injuries. The air bounce guys are so fun to play with. Full power every time. yeah, you go 400-450, and I'm throwing 350-400, but I'm throwing with 0 effort the whole round. It's so hard to stress nose angle to new players, grip and all sorts of things, its so confusing and so much to teach right off the get go.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@sarinhighwind yeah. It’s usually one of the later things I teach because so much needs to go right beforehand

[@sarinhighwind]

​@@OverthrowDiscGolf one of the ones I try to push earlier is more of keep wrist straight, hand outside disc. Some basic mechanics to get them to feel, but that hand on the outside and getting a pocket really will get that distance for them off the start vs that ole funny one that everyone does where they try and hook swoop roll their arm ... I'm not really sure what to call that. hahaha

[@madmikey1980]

Thumb forward to 1/2” from edge. Easy. Changes angle of your wrist immediately. It’s worked to get 50-100’ more distance for noobs I tell. Amazing how a slide forward of the thumb will correct nose up. Try it and thank me later!

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Tell that to Eagle

[@madmikey1980]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Each player has a different method of course. I wonder what would happen if you went to a field yourself and slid your thumb back towards the middle of the platter and tried to throw. Likely you would have nose up issues. Once your thumb is slid forward, you can fine-tune where it should be from the edge of the platter. It’s a player relative not objective tip. However, I tend to see immediate improvement when I take a newbie out for a round with me.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@madmikey1980 it might help generally but sliding 1/2” from edge isn’t a cure all like the original (pre-edited) comment suggested. For example when I slide my finger to 1/2” from edge with a backloaded grip it will still be nose up. I’ve spent lots of time experimenting on the field including with my thumb in the middle of the flight plate like Eagle’s. Thumb placement is not the easy fix. I only took issue with your original comment because it read like “this video is unnecessary. All you need to do is slide the thumb 1/2” from the edge of the disc” when we have evidence to the contrary.

[@JoshSmith-sr6ks]

after rereading that thread it seems thumb placement isn't the most critical aspect of the techniques discussed but it's on the right path and there's a lot to consider. I hope you'll read the whole thread and make your own judgements

[@JoshSmith-sr6ks]

my post got deleted because I posted a link to dgcourse review technique & strategy subforum.... ok... please check out the DFP Thumb Grip thread there... it is highly relevant

[@jonathandeleon2417]

😮🤯🤯🤯

[@jeremypoconnor]

"soupnation"? maybe supination? altho i do like soup

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

#soupnation

[@chapiiwin307]

: )

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

:)

[@Svenshine]

Yo dude you got the prettiest eye color I ever seen. No homo. I am gay though.

[@drudy18]

not everyone needs to turn the disc during the pull either, having it flat all the way instead of that big tilt in the 'reach back' isn't necessary and could be hindering some

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Sure. We went over that in our original nose angle video.

[@drudy18]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf good job!

[@DrBlazer50]

Damn you privileged people with 2 arms that function! 😠😡🤬 🤣😂 My left arm is paralyzed and I need to be a lot more consistent keeping the nose down and this seems like a great little way to fix it. I guess I'll just ask someone to hold it flat for me hahaha

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Incredibly privileged. Thanks for the reminder. Truly.

[@DrBlazer50]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf I'm just messing around with that comment. The real privilege is that all of you were smart enough to start playing disc golf way before I did. I only just started playing in November and I'm very upset with myself for not starting 20+ years ago when I first heard about disc golf, instead of waiting until I'm 40 years old 🤦🏼‍♂️. I became addicted the first time I played (and I did terrible and I'm still pretty bad hahaha). Now I just think about how dumb I was not to give disc golf a try 20+ years ago. Oh well, better late than never.