Not All Tractors Are Created Equal | New Holland Workmaster 25 Economy Tractor

[@whome9936]

This is why your channel is so valuable to tractor buyers. You endeavor to educate and genuinely aid the buyer in making the best decision, not just sell him something for fast money. This isn’t a commercial; it’s an informational piece. You have established yourself as a true expert in your field, and I just wish there were dealers like Messick’s in my neck of the woods.

[@leonardbartley5670]

Good to see the blue tractors for a change, SHOW MORE.

[@DarrenCharron]

I have watched this video twice now. I am getting my Workmaster 25 on Monday. Thanks for the video!

[@briankakuk3090]

I know you are gowing to like it grate tractor have one so handy l have the backhoe loader and set of forks

[@jonathanhenderson5716]

I have had mine for over a year and have worked it like crazy. I love it. I got the shuttle shift to make up for the lack of horse power. I liked it because it was cheaper and heavier than the comparable John Deere and Kubota.

[@davehoward2791]

Pretty much the LS225E I have in my driveway, but the LS was mucho cheaper and came with a rubber floor mat. They’re good tractors with outstanding hydraulics, Korean made (not Chinese), and a lot of bang for the buck. I’ve had mine for about a year and with the shuttle shift (I like gearboxes) it’s never let me down. I didn’t like hoisting a 5 gal fuel can up to fill the tank, so I cured that by lifting the fuel can onto the backhoe seat and using a $8.00 2 D-cell Harbor Freight fuel pump to fill the tank. What a relief! A very accurate and honest evaluation Neil, as always. Thank you for a great review of a fine, ‘every mans’ tractor. 👍

[@1971hodge]

I think LS tractor and CNH have a great partnership providing good tractors with good options in both New Holland and Case-IH at reasonable prices. I bought an LS XR4145HC simply because the LS dealer was in my area and had a great reputation. I started looking at Case IH and New Holland until I realized LS made the tractors for them and the dealers were much farther away.

[@stewartwaters1778]

I found on the Tc30 the link arms being screwed type actually handy if the 3pt spread is really large. Keeps them from rubber the tire. Extendable Link arms is a must and I wish I had them. I have to clean off the chaff constantly because the machine is closer to the ground/ high grass. I prefer the exhaust exit/ below. Nothing to get hung on. I wish the seat would go further back some how. Great review Neal! For someone that hasn't spent a lot of time on the unit you know what to look for.

[@BlackHawkBallistic]

For how good a loader stick coming out of the side console looks and how neat the lines running down to a the valve body there I worry about how easy it is to snag a hose hanging low on the machine. A lot of those tractors seem to have the lines exposed where as those loader mounted ones are less pretty but you don't have as many hoses going below the machine. I've never had an issue with it but we're careful around things sticking up where they'd catch lines.

[@pyroman6000]

I also like how the entire valve assembly is recessed behind the loader frame. An obstruction is going to hit that beefy chunk of steel before it ever gets to the valve. As for the hoses, I agree- those lower mounted ones just beg to be snagged on things. This may not look pretty, but there are fewer things to snag up top- and you'll be able to see them coming. Sure low hanging tree branches could do it- but YOU stick up much further, lol- if they're snagging your hoses, they're slapping you as well. I learned that as a kid, mowing around our rose bushes. %$#@ing thorn bushes!!!

[@kylerayk]

Ergonomic...not Agronomic. Absolutely LOVE the sneeze!!

[@keithbeynon3878]

Congrats new holland for taking this stance in a affordable machine

[@johnsponable4907]

I feel that it is actually easier to multi-function when using a joystick that is placed in front/on the loader than a valve that’s placed under the fender. I have an L3010 and a JD3720 and the kubota feels much easier to multifunction than the JD, but my arm will get tired quickly if I need to use the loader for extended periods of time. Good video Neil, keep it up! 👍

[@MessicksEquip]

Not sure it's the location, you'll find that difference between most kubota's and Deeres

[@johnsponable4907]

@@MessicksEquip I don’t know, nowadays I think JD uses a different valve block which is harder to do 2 functions, but with the 3720 I can quite easily find the sweet spot to do 2 functions at once.

[@carlgrayman7663]

I have this tractor, a 2021. 4WD standard, mid and rear PTO standard, 1 rear hyd circuit standard, 3-speed hydro not 2, higher lifting capacity than Deere or Kubota. I believe rear PTO HP beats Deere and Kubota. It's really a solid tractor that works well.

[@scottfoster2487]

I see zero issues with this tractor in my eyes. The price factor is were I judge a machine. When a person is just getting into tractors this a good tractor to learn on. The more bells and whistles the more costs you will have to plan for.

[@hunterjacobs2178]

The more bells and whistles they have the more bells and whistles can break

[@phillipgrove8902]

I have a kubota 2401dt simple as it gets love it so far the loader is amazing to use

[@WilReid]

You can still list "current" price. Just add "as of day of filming: (insert date of filming), this model goes for $____" and you're safe. That price would only cover that day but 10 years from now would give a historical reference of what something cost "back then in 2021".

[@THEjasonTDI]

Operator platform is the main reason I just bought an LS (build the N.H.) MT2-25s. It's in between the small B and this but has far more room. Seats also a few inches higher. Super comfortable.

[@davej7458]

A thing that we should all be told is how likely is it that you can get parts for your tractor right now if something breaks, and how likely is it you can get parts for it in the future. Some parts are in common use some parts are unique to one manufacturer. Good tractors can last much longer than parts are avalable.

[@thebradleysoncatbirdhill6849]

Excellent review, Neil! I'm definitely not in the "comfort tractor buying group"! I've never really wrapped my head around that other than the fact that I just don't see a work machine as a destination point for my comfort, lol! Still loving the Kubota L2501!

[@hanshaw1974]

Tuff and great to watch. This was a great sales pitch for the less equipped tractors. You can still do the work, but with out the luxuries. Big picture, they are fighting the cheep china crap with a great platform, and meeting the marketing and pricing demands. Thanks for the video.

[@jeeper360]

A year and a half ago, we bought a workmaster 25 with the manual transmission to semi replace an 841 diesel Ford tractor. The Ford is powerful but the loader, being able to use the pto independent of moving, power steering and four wheel drive really make it more useful. So far I've used it with a 5ft rotary cutter, 2 bottom plow, auger and blade. We've also added forks for the front. Since 2018, the rear remote must've been added as standard since ours doesn't have it. One thing that would be nice is a third function. I called the Messick's New Holland store a few months ago and was told there isn't one.

[@MessicksEquip]

WR long could make one, there is no factory option.

[@pjp80s]

Neil…. We know your job is to sell tractors, including new Holland , but it would be very helpful to your audience if you would do a side be side comparison between brands… put a Kubota L series next to this one and then go thru features..

[@MessicksEquip]

in the process both would probably find fault with me. Not good for my relationships.

[@briankakuk3090]

I had mine for 6 months ago have a backhoe on it and loader it is hst drive grate tractor for the size

[@BiffsEquipment]

Work Masters were my favorite tractors by new Holland.. built like tanks. Great video explaining differences Neil.

[@BiffsEquipment]

Where they really screwed up IMO with the Boomers is the loader.. I absolutely hate the loaders on the new boomers.. Had they stuck with the workmaster loader they woulda had a winner.. Those loaders are tough as nails and tighter to the machine how it should be where the boomers have very strange loaders which stick wayy out infront and don't have much curvature to them.. I think "Quiky" is the company that makes those workmaster loaders and man are they fantastic. Because of this, I would buy a workmaster over a Boomer.. My grandfather owns a 2020 Boomer he likes it but liked his old workmaster alot better as well.

[@MessicksEquip]

It's all how you use it. The Boomers have always had long loaders. Useful to our Ag customers who maybe lifting bales into feeders, etc.

[@eosjoe565]

When the day comes to do any repairs involving that loader valve you will be thankful for the location. :-)

[@chrisseats]

I dont like the loader valve but you make a good point!

[@Morpheen999]

That is an extreme rarity, and not worth putting up with that eyesore for years

[@dondouglas1321]

I love my Workmaster 35.

[@cliffmolz8719]

Those sure were nice Kubota's that you were driving by :-)! Are you planning on doing a side by side comparison with the new Work Master and the Kubota 2500 series? Cheers

[@fhuber7507]

Each tractor has good and bad points. Which features are more important to which buyer? My Branson has a similar stick for the bucket. Works fine. I've only moved about 2 acre-feet of dirt with it in the last 6 months.

[@baronallison941]

What's with the cold open? You gotta start out with the song!!! This ain't right!

[@stephenlehr6020]

Would have been nice to see where the 3 point controls and rear hydraulic control was located. Looked like a good basic machine, but how much do you save by not putting the little handle on the right side rear fender that is on the left side?? (I know you aren't going to get on and off that side of the tractor with the loader valve where it is, but I would, and I have seen most others, turn to that side when watching an implement behind you and that is likely where your right hand would go to...)

[@jeanpomerleau8416]

i have this machine, love it, i got the shuttle shift version. The 3pth and rear remote control are on the right side next to the seat. I mounted a tool box (plastic ammo can) where the other handle isn't. i used plastic for when i hit my elbow on it

[@GeezingInVA]

Thanks for the video. Any chance next in the Blue video series could be the same level of detail with the Boomer equivalent?

[@The1025RChannel]

Looks like a great tractor. Should I ever decide to upgrade from a subcompact this is one I'd be seriously considering. I also like that it doesn't have the deafening hydro whine that the Kubota standard L has.

[@mesanders1113]

Wish the L 2501 came with some of these premium features

[@48VAC]

vibrations in the "flenders and for plans" hun. LOL. Nice video

[@earlyriser8998]

loved the video and how some tractors are simpler on purpose

[@KnauerJonathan]

I just went to the New Holland website to build a Workmaster 35, and see how it compares to say an L33 or 3901. It took a lot of searching to even find the configurator, and it doesn't make it clear what options you are choosing. So I guess I need to come in to visit?? Neil good salesman, drives traffic to New Holland site with video, website disappointing.

[@JaykeBlayde]

Great video as always. Personally, I just wouldn't feel very "adequate" handling that tiny loader joystick tho.

[@bahabob1386]

The old saying" theres a butt for every seat" works here.

[@mxadema]

a tractor is a tractor. it pull, push and drive. it all a matter of how comfortable you want the operator to be. you can plow a field with a 8n or with a M8060 and sometime the cheaper one is a better tool

[@pyroman6000]

Yep- there's a reason livestock farms tend to have multiple economy style utility tractors. They do the bulk of the work around the farm, and burn the least fuel while doing it. And have the least amount of stuff to break or need maintenance!

[@cabbyhubby]

I am old school, i really dont like joystick loader valves give me the old two stick anyday, i also will never own a hydrostat drive i want a clutch and gears, i have had a hydrostat forklift for 35 years and tired of fixing leaks. Imho

[@uncouthboy8028]

This is an economy compact tractor for the working farmer and the features illustrate this.

[@pyroman6000]

I'm sure that's exactly who they aimed it at too. Horse farms, poultry, homesteaders, truck farms, orchards, etc. Folks for whom it's a tool, not a toy.

[@mikefowler1313]

Wish you sold Yanmar so you could do review of 347 or 359

[@samengler539]

Hey Neal is that left rear tire come standard flat with a New Holland?

[@paullambert2668]

I thought I saw that too. But I thought it was maybe just in the dirt a bit.

[@johanneslaxell6641]

I think that it is a couple of hundred dollars extra 🤨😜? Someone is letting all the air out of one wheel before delivery 😋😂!

[@DarkFox6211818]

Nice S model DRZ wearing a supermoto wheel set at @9:40 - that yours Neil ?

[@MessicksEquip]

one of our tech's.

[@VideosByAl]

How about a basic comparison between CaseIH and New Holland. We had a D29 and a D45 currently and want to add something a little bigger .

[@MessicksEquip]

Case and New Holland's in this size are the same other than the color.

[@NYTROeast]

That is very true Not All Tractors Are Created Equal. There a couple out there that a lot of people talk highly about that I wouldn't give the time a day after the research that I did before I bought my tractor then there a couple out there that people seem to give a bad rap that actually in my opinion are 3 times the tractor then those other two.. But I have found out is that most of the people that talk bad about different brands have never really looked into owned or talked to people that have owned then. Like everything manufactured today there are some bad that came off the assemble line this is what happens when manufactory's move away from quality to production number and replace people with robotics.

[@zacs8654]

The only downs side of the Workmaster Series is the LS Engine. It’s extremely noisy and are known for blowing head gaskets before 1000 hrs.

[@chrisseats]

I guess its mainly aesthetics but that loader valve really cheapens the look on an otherwise nice tractor.

[@gckshea]

I'd be interested in a video discussing some of the otherwise hidden cooperative agreement between tractor manufacturers and tractor brands...who actually makes what. I know my LS is patent to some, if not most, of New Holland's smaller machinrs...or at least was in cahoots with LS. This is a new era and equity partnerships blow up all brand loyalties today. Maybe break down each video with a couple brands apiece, since the conglomerate relationships can get really convoluted.

[@MessicksEquip]

Getting all the nuisance right, even for this LS supplied tractor is super complicated. There is a lot more to it than you would guess.

[@paullambert2668]

@@MessicksEquip Heh. Nuisance is a good word for it. But you mean nuance?

[@MessicksEquip]

@@paullambert2668 funny, yes :-)

[@bradjenkins932]

I'll keep my Ford 2120.

[@MessicksEquip]

That's a gem

[@lowercherty]

The 8N's real grandchid?

[@brianwestveer9532]

Where is this model manufactured

[@DLTJR1959]

New Holland sources this Workmaster from LS. It's Korean.

[@karl-egertdaskov6217]

he is talking about features tractor that i drive now is a 2wd 6 speed manual doesent have a power steering, loader, has a isolation foam seat made by me has some armrests that are from metal pipe and a piece of wood has the engine in the back and dump bed in the front has straight up and down steering wheel and doesnt even have a radiator for crying out loud its a 20hp 2 silinder diesel engine uses almost no fuel and is really easy to drive and also has no electonics exept a generator and a starter although it can be hill started or use a pony motor to start it and thats my 1950s russian shassi t16 tractor most easy to use tractor i have ever ran and i have run lots and lots of tractors but sure would like a newer tractor one with no hanging wires or well oiled devider walves oh and that t16 has a full potetional for a belly mower if you make attacher for it because it doesnt have a 3pt hitch neither it doesent yet have a drawbar in the back but it pulls out all logs you want to its a strong son o gun of a machine

[@ohiofarmer254]

put that next to orange standard l series and the buyer will go orange every time once they see the robust difference

[@evracer]

Are the Workmasters still made by Shibuara? Love my TC series but would like to get something newer.

[@needstacos4892]

LS makes them. I’ve seen these in person and the placard behind the cab says LS.

[@evracer]

@@needstacos4892 They don't make the whole tractor per Neil @ Messicks

[@needstacos4892]

@@evracer which parts besides the bucket and cosmetic features? Help me learn.

[@evracer]

@@needstacos4892 it is a partnership according to him and the loader on it is actually an NH loader not an LS. These types of tractors have almost never been made completely by anyone. Shibuara and New Holland and even Ford before that were in partnership. Shibuara made almost every diesel engine in Ford farm tractors since 1965, and made almost all of their compact tractors in the 80's. New Holland continued that partnership through at least the early 2000's. I sold a 2003 TC 18 Shibuara to a guy who direct replaced the engine in his 1985 Ford 1310 with it...exact same engine. The fenders on the Workmasters and Boomers are pretty much identical to the ones on my TC series. I don't really care who makes a fender or who assembled it....I do care who made the engine, drivetrain, etc. "Made by LS" is just as misleading as "made by New Holland". Not in any nefarious way, but in reality. You can still buy the same old 70's vintage Ford farm tractors. They are just built in India by FarmTrac using the same tooling they used in the 70's....only made in a different foundry by a different company. They look the same....and still have Shibuara engines.

[@Hereford1020]

Why don't you compare the mid-size E series tractors.

[@leonardbartley5670]

Things being equal price and features do you think Orange or Blue is a better unit ?

[@blessed7fold]

Like he is really going to answer that 🙄 😂

[@paullambert2668]

Thing is they're not equal price - the Blue is usually a bit cheaper. So it's a smaller Orange or a larger Blue. But then both brands have economy and luxury models. And it's always horses for courses - there are things a particular blue model does well, things a particular orange model does well. I suspect if Neil was allowed to say it, he'd say the Kubota is a "better" brand. But they're more expensive, so they're not gonna be equal in price and features.

[@MessicksEquip]

I can't compare them directly on the video, politics. I did eluded to the blue one being significantly cheaper for many of the reasons shown in the video. Kubota's basic tractors are not this basic, so there is no good apples to apples.

[@Shane_O.5158]

Oh deere , that cough is terrible.

[@tsafa]

I would like to see a comparison between 25 horsepower tractors and 38 horsepower. Where's the difference. Just PTO or is there any where else? Does the 38 also have more power going into the wheels. Let's say you're going up a hill.

[@blessed7fold]

Why don't you do your own spec comparison?

[@tsafa]

@@blessed7fold Because looking at numbers is not enough. You need the hook a scale on to the drawbar and see what each one can actually pull.

[@paullambert2668]

I know the difference. 13HP. :-) The answer is the same as always. More HP in the same frame doesn't let you pull any more - most tractors are traction limited. In low range they'll all spin their wheels. But running at any decent speed up a hill with a load on, or running a mower, you'll notice the extra HP. Same for driving any HP limited PTO equipment - snow blowers, mowers etc. You can run a bigger piece of equipment, or run it faster or harder. It's interesting to see the tests, but they are hard to do well. You could put the same mower on both and say they do the same. But where a 25HP machine would run a 5 foot mower, a 38HP would run a 7 foot. If it's on the same frame, then the 38HP might not lift or control the 7 foot mower, but it'd run it. Etc etc.

[@tsafa]

@@paullambert2668 good point about going up a hill. I have 1000 pounds on the back of 38 hp. I also think that increases the traction considerably. I was aware of the increased power at the PTO. My 38 have 31 at the PTO. I was wondering if that also means 31 going into the wheels.

[@paullambert2668]

@@tsafa I think it does mean 31 (or at least significant increase) at the wheels. On most tractors at low speed that extra HP is useless, if it only takes 25HP to spin your wheels, putting 31HP into them just makes them spin faster. So hauling heavy stuff, pulling stumps, it's not going to make a difference. But a lot of ground engaging stuff isn't slow speed - think pulling a loaded box blade. More HP in the same size tractor might let you pull that box blade faster / not bog down on a hill. Same with dragging a loaded trailer up a hill, or when running a big mower up a hill. Some of those things you probably shouldn't do fast anyway (thinking about the box blade here), but mowing it would make a difference. So, yes, more power at the wheels, but only some tasks get better with more power at the wheels.

[@derekbrown1631]

Didn't you bash Mahindra for the same loader valve setup?

[@MessicksEquip]

Yup, not my thing here either. Same reasons, it's a cheap way to build it but not as nice to use.

[@damnkids7192]

By the looks of that seat belt it would be the first thing to end up in the trash.

[@rtz549]

Where's the machine made?

[@MessicksEquip]

built in South Korea, assembled in the USA.

[@igortretsnom]

I tried to order a small boomer model. I was sent a baby boomer. No problem, I married her.😁

[@Brian-bi7qe]

Putting the front loader control on the floor close to the operater is not a new thing!! . I had this on a Case 580C and on the 580K. So I don't understand the problem with putting them where they belong? .

[@tomtom6319]

Orange all the way………

[@KUBBI7488]

I think my l2501 is better option for me !!!

[@4-LOW]

I bought this tractor new in January. Took it back in February. Absolutely TOO MUCH weight for 25 horsepower. Low range is fine. Medium is iffy. High is useless. I don't always like to work at 2 miles per hour.

[@MessicksEquip]

You'll find that's the case on most of these 25 horse tractors on large frames. Definitely a lot of companies pushing what 25 horsepower can do.

[@Thornwalker.]

My neighbor regrets buying a New Holland, wants another Kubota.

[@randyhawkins3696]

New world that tractor lift a round bale

[@MessicksEquip]

small dry ones. The tractor is on the smaller end.

[@pryme2013]

That three point doesn't look any bigger than our BX.

[@inthedarkwoods2022]

That seat belt looks cheap

[@swampwhiteoak1]

That seatbelt is dangerous! It could fly around and hit the operator. Better cut it off and discard it.

[@D-OveRMinD]

I can't stand the operator area in these. WAAYY too cramped, even on the bigger units. Everything is laid out weird and feels cheap or like an afterthought. Doesn't compare to the similar specced Kubotas in any way.

[@gmcsd05]

Junk LS. Poor build quality, inferior metals. Great review!