Not Even the Titans Could Beat Him | The War Within

[@Morkhaz]

We´ve heard of this 5th old god, he´ve been heralded between the lines. Unfathomable is his power. His name is C'opi ûm.

[@ShikageBlackthorne]

yeah those books in game that mention a 5th old and and the Mural of 5 old gods in the game you can find be getting my hopes up like crazy

[@lenox5018]

i thought the name was Dym´ kcus

[@tony9099]

Joke flew over heads

[@herdfootballfan2098]

What makes me kinda sad is blizz has the reputation that most likely none or maybe just like a few small theory's will be right because 1. Blizz isn't thinking that complex or 2. They change it in a desperate attempt to swerve us. They will likely go option 2 so they can write a 5th chronicle to justify the retcons and the.cycle.will continue

[@jeff230394]

His name is dildobaggins

[@roninhare9615]

Awesome recap from Friday, I was jumping in and out of chat due to work on Friday, I didn’t hear your shout out! I really appreciate the call out! It made my day! I would like to bring up a different point that I’ve been sitting on. Blizzard has been promoting “what sword” since blizcon, and it’s really got me thinking. Sargaras could have cleaved the planet… no problem, yet… he didn’t. He left his sword within the planet… why? To kill Azeroth? To poison her? I don’t think so. Sargaras’s sword is a direct depiction of the Warcraft rpg sword named Gorribal, the dark seether. Seether, as defined, essentially means to boil. So what if the sword wasn’t attacking Azeroth directly, but rather trying to boil out the shadow/void/old gods corruption once and for all. The sword is likely dug so down deep that it is tapping the roots of the planet, the same roots that the old gods have intrinsically tied themselves too. It’s the reason they can’t be removed through force. We all suspect that Magni was dooped, as the king of diamonds will be made a pawn. I’ve mentioned the ties to lovecraftian lore for the old gods and how blizzard borrows ideas and lore from other mythos. If they are borrowing lore from lovecraftian, then this 5th old god is inspired off of Cthylla, also known as The Kraken or The Secret One. The other 4 old gods are voiced by male voice actors. The funny thing is, if they take the direct inspiration for Cthylla, this old god could be voiced by a female voice actor…. Which means we could very well have the radiant song and the voices everyone is hearing not being Azeroth herself, but instead this old god. The same old god who spoke to Magni and convinced us to deactivate Sargaras’s sword (Gorribal, the dark seether), to end the cleansing of the void/shadow/and old gods. As for where this old god resides. The official map has yet to be shown on The war within, and I’m willing to bet that there is an area close to those roots, is where this old god is. I also think that there is an under water ocean beneath Kaz’Algar. Think of the fish and its most recent whispers, also, I’ve mentioned the Dreadwake mount. A kraken on the front, and on its back flap, a skull with tenticles… in the same depiction as the mural. Finally, the flavor txt on the mount, "A ship unlike any other, held aloft by a gift from an unknown kraken-faced god of the deeps." The void doesn’t see us as the enemy, but a means to and end. This old god imo, will surface and attempt to drown the surface world, and I think ultimately, we are going to need to find a way to reactivate Sargaras’s sword (Goribal, the dark seether). His parting gift will be our only Salvation.

[@MrUrthor]

Wondering if the 4 Old Gods we currently know of, are the 'shards' of a greater version. Maybe the creature was initially shattered confronting the combined might of the Titan Pantheon, or some other force. And when their current forms are destroyed their essence is drawn back to reconstitute the more powerful gestalt entity.

[@UncrownedKingDante]

@@MrUrthor i think theory that those 4 were part of a big boy kinda falls off really fast when you look at evidence that 5th one is individual being decepted as strongest one out of them all.

[@A1A1Aaaaaaabb]

Two arms two legs one head.

[@A1A1Aaaaaaabb]

What if when all five old gods were assembled, they were the “first one”

[@daicaghund3587]

That isnt supported by old lore so if it were accurate it would be new/retconn whatever we wanna call it

[@spacequack5470]

​@@A1A1AaaaaaabbYou should learn what the terms mean before trying to use them in sentences

[@pavkabs]

Think of it this way - Light is iridescent, searing, fierce, fanatic, 'purified' version of void. Void glows with mysterious power, Light shines with purity/precision. "Our long lost brethren" , as Xal calls them, are just the purist-faction of the Void that formed the Light.

[@KathrynElizabethJaneway]

I wonder if you can order these different forms of power, and light is just an ordered form of void.

[@keisuhunda1724]

Got no theory for you , but love the vids man have a good one.

[@Lexi-me8gk]

The twilight-hammer like banner combined with the sun-imagery makes me wonder if the Empire of Light may have been the owner of said banner and fought against the Black Empire (siding with the titans aka enemy of all) and that defectors from the Empire of Light took the banner and created the dark/void counterpart to it when they defected to the Black Empire. Less relevantly probably, I'd also point out that the major twilight's hammer vault we found Xal'atath in was also in a zone with the literal scarlet monastery. This idea of Empire soldiers defecting from light to void side of the conflict would also be consistent with other light-to-void elements throughout the lore

[@herdfootballfan2098]

What makes it even more interesting is when a Naruu naturally "dies" it turns void

[@fattymatty9319]

The pile of bones between the unknown old god and both y’shaarj and n’zoth is interesting…

[@herdfootballfan2098]

I think it's symbolizes this is the old God whos fate is to corrupt the sunwell or die trying, thus corrupting azeroth through sunwell. The Christal looks very blood elfish to me honestly. And it's glowing purple to show it being corrupted. Notice the tentacle behind the Christal, it's doing like this wrapping/ twisting around it like we see the void doing in the cinematic when showing the world soul. And also notice the other tentacles they seem to be stretching or pointed towards it, the eyes are looking at it, the minions on the left seem to be looking up off to the side at the Christal and not so much the old God. I could be 100% talking out of my ass but that's just an idea I have

[@PrasadOfRA]

Naaru seems like Titan Ordered void beings (Void Gods?), who were imprisoned into crystal-like form to be artificial transformed into light beings: 1. Because Light and Dark states are normal life-cycle for Naaru, and when in Dark Naaru state if their remained light energy were to be completely removed from them by someone without giving them the time to be naturally restored, they are (re?)turning into Void Gods. 2. We all know now that Titans don't differentiate between "creating" and "ordering". The Prime Naaru were the first Naaru to be forged during the great ORDERING of the cosmos. Velen believed that the Naaru's powers greatly resembled those of the moon goddess Elune, and Archmage Khadgar found in an ancient cosmology tome a passage indicating that the prime Naaru may have been created by Elune during the great ORDERING of Light and Shadow. Velen had stated Light's Heart (Xe'ra's core) could only be unlocked by a Naaru descended from Xe'ra, but Tear of Elune was used to successfully unlock it. They may have some relation with Naaru, Elune & the Titans, because we know Elune communicated & worked with Eonar, so she could do so with others or all Titans at some point in time and helping them in "creating" (Ordering) Naaru with her powers. And Tear of Elune was a part of Titans Pillars of Creation. We know Elune (through Tyrande) created The Sisters' Tear together with the Winter Queen, so this possible may be done with Elune and Eonar or Elune and all the Titans to create Tear of Elune. 3. Also Xal'atath said this in Netherlight Temple: "I know the Naaru consider us horrors to be resisted. We do not share this view. They are merely beloved brethren that lost the true path. They will return to their masters... in time."

[@DarthKoonstyle]

Priests and Shadow Priests..... I think the line is closer than most would think, and it's been right there in lore since the beginning?

[@pentifexmonolith]

I believe that the 4 old gods used to be one whole being until the light showed up and defeated them and purified the giant crystal in Hallowfall, but the old god didn't died it actually split into 4 beings and that is how the titans were able to defeat them and imprison them. The mural is depicting the original form of the old gods, as for the crystal changing from light to dark I think they said that it started recently around the time Sargeras stabbed the planet.

[@spacequack5470]

Wrong

[@davidkirss8306]

That video brought back memories... For years I've been thinking about a Cultist class for Wow. Since Cata actually!

[@yallahyallah4220]

Can't wait for Acco to get his hands on Chronicles IV, especially where it deals with the "First Ones" xDDD

[@UncrownedKingDante]

@@yallahyallah4220 did you read primus and zovaal controversy in the book? Finally more hints for still deluded people that just negate it.

[@TAZMASTA40]

I think the crystal in the mural is Azeroth in her titan prison but depicted in nerubian design.

[@adamslosslessmusiccollection]

So you’re saying Blizzard is ripping off FFXIV with Hydaelyn and the Mothercrystal?

[@herdfootballfan2098]

​@@adamslosslessmusiccollectionare you implying that would surprise you in the slightest?

[@adamslosslessmusiccollection]

@@herdfootballfan2098 nope! Haha.

[@TAZMASTA40]

@adamslosslessmusiccollection no idea what that means. I never got into FF aside from watching 1 movie when I was a kid 😅

[@adamslosslessmusiccollection]

@@TAZMASTA40 I’m Final Fantasy XIV, there is a deity that lives at the center of the planet. The deity is named Hydaelyn and she has a giant crystal where she stores a reserved cache of energy. However Hydaelyn is not in any prison.

[@michaelpettersson4919]

It would be fun if Xal'atath is a servant of this fifth old god but intend to slay and usurp this creature. Extra fun if this evil creature Xal'atath in function ends up saving Azeroth. We talk a lot about void these days, but we should talk about Shadow as well. Shadows is not void and you need light to create shadows. Maybe this is also metaphysically true here that Light create Shadow but Void do not require the Light to exist and as such can be in true opposition of it. Void would be where the Light cannot reach, not a place where it is merely blocked. Void is where there is no Light to create Shadow.

[@salemarde]

i think xal atath itself is the fifth god and that was her form prior to being devoured by the 4 others

[@DiGiTMerC]

So what's up with the Sun-Engraved runed and the hammer with Elune's crest, on the hammer ? Worshipping ?

[@mornhammer]

Your head banging there had me worried for a moment. Thought me or you stroked out lol

[@Smeagol251]

side trail.. maybe the facet around the crystal.. holds it in it's void shade.

[@bl_ss]

I hope this 5th Old God stuff is true, because I have an argument to make about the banners. I'm pretty convinced that the Twilight Hammer's banner is not the one we see in that image, but instead an inspiration of it, meaning the banner we see here predates it to the days of the Black Empire. They clearly have differences: the Twilight Hammer banner has what look to be dragon wings going above the actual hammer part, as if to represent the twilight dragonflight or something. This older banner seemingly focuses more on the sun, or a fiery rendition of light even, as the spikes around the hammer are more defined than that of Twilight's Hammer to suggest as much. The Twilight's Hammer was originally created by Cho'gall and pale orcs. The pale orcs were receiving messages of the void through the energy of the naaru, K'ure. This is according to Chronicle (I think). That is _likely_ where at least some of the inspiration for the Twilight's Hammer Banner originally came from. Add in the elements of Deathwing and the Twilight Dragonflight later, and you get the whole picture. That then begs the question, what is this original banner and what does it represent (other than the obvious Old God Black Empire stuff)? I'm willing to argue that, when it comes to the light and the void, it represents that they are indeed two sides of the same coin. The sun aspect is there, and you can see a moon crescent on the hammer. Couple in the dark lower half of the inner circle and you get a good depiction of literal Shadow. The most puzzling part of it for me is the actual hammer itself. I got nothing for that.

[@helbalee1498]

Elune Upstart Godess...

[@chrismillin5805]

What about void beings being "corrupted" by light and can it just go in a cycle like that if azeroth is kept in a "purgatory" state and go back and forth ebb and flow and is that just as natural as the universe itself tends to do

[@Lain3695]

I'd love this theory to be true. While we were all wondering what the next expansion would be, I was really hoping for Avaloren - a huge continent outside our bubble

[@Rari98]

is it possible the twilight hammer banner was created by the old god who saw the timelines, so he saw a banner he believed was victorious, created it, then the followers many centuries later created it, or did i just paradox myself, if they are victorious in Midnight, its interesting placement on the sword. my thought was similar to yours about the old god being outside of current realm, but i actually thought it was in space in the void with azeroth being under a veil it couldnt find its way back because from what i can tell, them things are walking into that old god an being transformed by void magic lol

[@shenanigansandtrickery]

So, looking at the banner on the picture, the hammer seems to have a similar looking crescent as the nerubian queen has on top of her head in TWW, might be significant, might not be, just noticed that now. 🤔 Awesome vid as allways Acco! 😊

[@11131618570]

The flaming edges of the shield resemble those on Maiev Shadowsong’s weapon

[@JasenHeffner]

I kinda think whrn the 5 old gods landed, xalatath was with them. In a supervisor role. They fought with eachother. She was going to report back, so they imprisoned her in the blade. And each old God planned to claim azeroth for their own.

[@Sundagar]

the picture with all the old gods is kind of set up so that n'zoth is at the bottom and was quoted as being the weakest, with y'shaarj being 2nd highest and being quoted as being the strongest. Only the 5th and unknown one is higher than him. It's all extremely deliberate and thought out.

[@syrindark]

What if the crystal is a container for something and the void shifting represents it starting to break free

[@LordHypnos4]

Sargeras' sword must have pierced whatever prison was holding this old god which is what he was aiming for and why the crystal started turning back to void periodically due to it's influence. Basically the only thing Sargeras could do before being sealed to assure our destruction

[@CloudedinSanity1]

This makes not too much sense. The whole reason Sargeras started the burning legion was because he saw a vision and was terrified of a void corrupted Titan. Sargeras never wanted to destroy us/Azeroth. He wanted to ensure that Azeroth never fell to void corruption. So intentionally releasing an old god on azeroth in his last moments would ensure the very thing he was trying to prevent would happen.

[@kubi0461]

Xal’atath’s words to me strongly suggest that the naaru and what we call old gods both have the same origin. That origin also maybe being what she refers to as “ master”. Also, her saying “us” implies she’s part of the same thing as old gods but maybe they are more complex than just “old gods” and she’s something a bit different. Beyond that, not sure yet.

[@Desciple860]

My fav acco vids. Old gods are win 🏆 🎉

[@ayethe4603]

Imagine the ashbringer you could make from that

[@jenniferthefool1589]

What if we do know the 5th old god, and some of use its power every day. Shadow. That mural looks to me like the old god is caressing, almost loving a significant source of shadow. I say shadow because in game, even warlock soul shards, without any glyphs, has a pinkish hue on the outside. The Titans might be aware of, but couldnt ever touch the 5th old god because shadow exists everywhere. But, they did seem to limit it because as a force it isnt really represented much. Lot more void than just shadow. And, we've been dealing with fire mixed with shadow this whole expansion...

[@c-eagle]

Is it really clear that people are walking INTO the mouth-thingy in the mural? To me it seems like they're not looking straight towards the entrance, not directly walking into its direction. Maybe they're walking OUT of it instead. Is it creating them? Is it creating life, while being powered by the crystal that seemingly contains light AND void (in an oscillating way), though radiating light in the mural? (Or maybe the Old God is just doing job interviews, without actually eating/producing its job candidates. Imagine the questions an Old God could ask during a job interview.)

[@trymeout1091]

can you imagine if this old god is actually the same old god as the others? Meaning like the greek mythology of Cerberus...N'zoth, Yogg, C'thun, and Y'shaarj are all connected to the same body...but just different heads. it would be very Lovecraftian, imo.

[@Jerryz0t]

Twilight Hammer banner makes perfect sense. The sun is setting (TWILIGHT) behind the might of the Old Gods (HAMMER) Ergo. Twilight Hammer.

[@TheAccolonn]

I wouldn't say it makes perfect sense but it's a decent inference. Well done

[@Jerryz0t]

@TheAccolonn thank you for the response! Love your videos. I just thought that specifically the banner was being read into too much that's all

[@TheAccolonn]

@@Jerryz0t no need to explain, you had an idea and I appreciate it. We all notice things that some might miss, or recognise things others may not. I will never mind anyone sharing their ideas.

[@Jerryz0t]

@TheAccolonn I appreciate that. I just took another look at my original post and it kinda sounded like I was sticking my nose up at what you said. Just wanted to clear any air

[@Jerryz0t]

@TheAccolonn I love this dawn game and I consider the fan base family

[@yallahyallah4220]

On that fith old god, i think his eyes alone tell a story. The more eyes he had, the more "light" he could absorb. He was probably way more powerful that the other old gods because of his connection to Beledar and maybe he forced the other old gods to provide him with minions for scrificial rituals. Eventually the other 4 old gods might've turned on him, like the Chaos gods do that we know from WH40k. When i talk about his eyes, i'm not only talking numbers, but also their shape. There seems some "ordering" going on cause those ain't naturally shaped eyes.

[@of_valinor]

to Me, its significant that it is an eclipse. Not just on the hammer but on the sun itself. Who do we connect with eclipse and the moon? Elune ofc.

[@jonathangriffin8894]

Glad I’m not the only one that noticed. I immediately noticed the crescent of Ysera and Tyrande on the hammer as well as an eclipsing sun. But the banner does, at least in my opinion, quite literally depict the idea of twilight-the in between of day and night. Balance.

[@Pihtorich]

Twilight's Hammer originally was an orcish clan from Draenor. Maybe a picture is just a picture.

[@No-ob6ql]

The azeroth we know is a beachhead? Maybe it's both the sun, and dark.... it doesn't look solid, perhaps it depicts an Eclipse?

[@berry7676]

Seems like the twilight hammer have to be doing a rendition of the black empire and you know what else has a sun Banner scarlet crusade

[@andresjacobsen4551]

Didnt we see the planet from afar in legion with the spaceship and when sargeras stabbed it? Pretty sure there was no hidden bigger world we are on

[@howardhavardramberg333]

There is too much unmoored speculation now as a result of the K'tanth stuff or whatever and I'm all here for it, doesn't matter if it is a new Old God or something else because new Old God stuff is always amazing regardless

[@joshuadunsford8687]

On the bit where you talk about Naruu that can be void and light and the close relationship. What if Old Gods are the Original light gods, but the Naruu overthrew them and they were banished, and became void versions of themselves. Maybe Old isnt referring to the age of them, but instead meaning old as in past or previous Gods. and its their want for revenge or vengance that turns them voids. If Void lords are called void lords, they are lords of the void, why dont old gods have void mentioned in their names, maybe becausethey arent JUST void,

[@7PlayingWithFire7]

I mean old gods do refer to "previous gods" not "ancient gods". But not cause they used to be something else. Its just that the mortals of azeroth used to champion and worship the old gods.

[@daicaghund3587]

There are tons of Old Gods....per older lore "An unknown number of Old Gods were hurled into the Great Dark Beyond by the Void lords,[7] and other Old Gods are active in the worlds beyond Azeroth" Read that as unlimited opportunity for massive scale Old Gods lore and battles etc.

[@lazlonazario2499]

If you could create new old gods that we would have fought during Deathwing's cataclysm , what ideas do you have?

[@jeff230394]

I think they travelled to St-Busta-NUTT

[@StephenLydiate]

The Twillight hammer and the Sun shield, together in perfect ballance, just saying...

[@crazymat69]

I thought the dragon flying to see how far they could go was in the emerald dream?

[@publicguy1664]

No, but there's legends that she made it and visited her fellow dragons in the dream to tell them.

[@chrismillin5805]

And the old gods were just thrown out to the universe to spray and pray or so we think . If there are in fact different strengths of the old gods the would in now make sense for the void to send them out in teams or squads maybe

[@publicguy1664]

Thought just occurred to me, if Xala was imprisoned by the Old Gods, and she is the Void's Herald/Harbinger, did the Old Gods rebel against the Void Lords for their own ends?

[@uclongnguyen8860]

I think so, Old gods betray the void's plan, until Titan come and imprison them, then they try to return the oringinal plan or at least save themselve from the wrath of void ( you know they has been shackled by Titan chain, their physical body will die by time, only the void astral form like N'zoth but still imprison, he just try to save himself when bargain with Harbinger of the Void, Mommy Xal)

[@ukaszukasz6562]

Crystal is one of Old God eyes.

[@vuhdoo7486]

In your depiction of azeroth you forgot legion. In it you could see the whole of azeroth from the vindicar, with the exception of the southern part.

[@TheAccolonn]

Not really forgot, the issue with the globe is many parts is completely covered by clouds so not clearly visible, could see they made it low vis on purpose.

[@berry7676]

Uldiur definitely is the coolest one

[@x_ghost_x6612]

Why does that big hammer in artwork remind me of the big hammer the earthen have in there city?

[@Captain.AmericaV1]

*Heart of the Universe Thanos!!* 😨

[@kylekopsi7039]

So where are we on the state of Old Gods in the greater universe? I thought back in the day the Void Lords threw out many old gods to different worlds too, but now I keep getting the impression these ones are the only ones and we’ve killed them all now. Please correct me if I’m wrong though, I loved the Old God lore and spook factor as a faction

[@justinb7494]

I haven't seen that pop up anywhere but as far as I know there were still other planets out there that they landed on. The one Sargeras found, the one the raid boss in Nighthold showed us, and the NPC in Ardenweald described what was clearly an Old God crash landing on his home planet.

[@ShikageBlackthorne]

We indeed have no longer killed any old Gods even n'zoth

[@kylekopsi7039]

@@ShikageBlackthorne the N’zoth fight such a let down 😂😭 it must just have been the Denuser effect because I thought with that level of disrespect they just wanted to throw them away and remake the void as more palatable soft and friendly stars and moons instead eldritch horrors and lovecraftian monsters

[@kylekopsi7039]

@@ShikageBlackthorne actually the newest chronicles book just dropped recently and it says N’zoth was the last living old god before we popped that one too. They’re dead and gone, and Xal’atath took their powers I believe. So sad

[@KagroshTV]

C'thun is not dead!

[@cameronbrewer2437]

I wonder if the storm dragons can easily go through the storm

[@aelfynnalochoir8249]

So what I'm gathering about the unknown Old God is its prison isn't about keeping it in a box, rather it's about keeping it *out of* our box

[@TheAccolonn]

That's at least my theory yes

[@aelfynnalochoir8249]

Very spooky, I'm all for it

[@willythemailboy2]

My theory is a bit wilder: there aren't five Old Gods in total, there were five Old Gods trapped in the Titan ordered zone. Since the ordered zone is supposed to be the whole world according to the Titans, of course their writings only mention the five in the box with us. Given that the Chronicles say pre-Sundering Kalimdor was only one of the biggest continents, there's a whole wide world beyond the Umbral Veil for us to discover after The Last Titan. The Empire, wherever the green dragon ended up, Black Empire remnants, an entirely new group of Old Gods, and whatever else Metzen's fever dreams can come up with.

[@Schizim]

So, what if…. G’Huun was a successful experiment in giving knowledge. What if the Old God on the other side is a light Old God created by the titans. And the reason they had to rip Yasharash out was because he was larger and was going to kill it. And the light old god has had time to grow and influence Azeroth undisputed.

[@Femboy.4492]

wtf 😂? No

[@Schizim]

@@Femboy.4492 lol. Was late and a shot in the dark lol

[@stevenharper7118]

what if the end goal is to shift Azeroth's sun into a void sun? what if that is the thing we have been missing this whole time, the sun is a light/void being.

[@PaulBarkley-e1q]

Maw of katan'th or something like that was in time travel

[@lenox5018]

now i return to the sea benmeath the sea away fropm this accursed star - what is the accursed star?

[@MrSjanten007]

The only problem i have is that we have seen Azeroth from space when Sargeras stabs her. and by the look of the land masses and how big they are and so forth, i dont think the sea of storms can be that big

[@ShikageBlackthorne]

It luckily is that big

[@willythemailboy2]

Anything we're seeing from the Seat of the Pantheon is what the Titans WANT us to see, not necessarily what is actually there.

[@danieljordan8732]

Could the sea of storms disappear at the end of the worldsoul saga? It is possible.

[@7PlayingWithFire7]

Sea of Storms is to the south. This isn't a secret. Saying that the ingame map doesn't say sea of storms when you swim off the coast of pandaria doesn't mean anything tbh

[@TheAccolonn]

I explain to you why what you're saying isn't answering any questions. You may have missed that but please, read the story of the green dragon and then listen to my explanation.

[@RadimGaluska]

Maybe blind shot but what about sea in maw of souls

[@oidana]

im not sure she is a old god, i think she is mutch powerfull. i know all looks like she is a old god but i think she is the right hand from dimensius from burning crusade thats the reason he found azeroth because he know us from there and he have some bigger plans. this expansions we lose because the next addon is midnight and we get to the void and defeat it. After that we defeat the titans and azeroth wakes up the last titan exp. After that we should go higher on the chronicles what comes there elune? other dimensions. btw there are machine dwars who say when you kill them ah … the unforseneen, we are mutch more then all the order and universe.

[@Schizim]

They’ve introduced space ships to the game. Why can’t we just fly around and look at Azeroth? We have already seen Azeroth in Legion.

[@7PlayingWithFire7]

Cause it makes for a bad story. So they'd rather have plot holes than bad story telling. You could argue plot holes are bad storytelling, but it's not worse than just solving all issues with space ships.

[@grantwebb6367]

5th old god is the arathi emperor

[@thunderga666]

Where they put the new continent doesn't match up with this theory though.

[@MrKelfo]

Azeroth with all the heroes will.

[@lucifersmentor]

I don't know the history behind how each old god was identified, i find Yogg and Nzoth the easiest to identify, the other three not so much - and if there are clear identifying markings that i am missing for both Yshaarj and Cthun please correct me-, I was thinking.. what if the Old gods we know of are the ones on the sides, and the unknown old god, is the one in the middle ( in place of Cthun marked in the picture ), i was also thinking that there was a sword like appearance to the tower that the old god in the middle was attached to, and it's looking like that the 5th old god may have been the deepest and most worrisome, would make sense that Sargeras is targetting Him in particular with the sword no?

[@ashphoenix406]

I could've sworn that there was some talk from Blizzard that said we're done with Old Gods as big baddies so I can't help but feel like either the 5th is not an enemy or we're not going to have it as anything really of consequence in game. I could be remembering wrong. I personally would love finally getting to play a character that can be pure void with this old god maybe being friends with us because it doesn't want the void lords messing with its domain.

[@termopylae5506]

The old gods are popular, so it's not at all unlikely to see Blizzard changing it's stance no that. Also i belive the development team has been switched, so everything is up for grab. And this theory seems plausible.

[@ashphoenix406]

@@termopylae5506 Yeah, I thought it was a bad move when I heard about it. There are plenty of ways to still make use of the Old Gods so it'd be a big loss.

[@MrHuntervad]

From DF alternate universe, looks the same.

[@UncrownedKingDante]

Crystal in mural most likel is not Beledar, idk how people connect the one in hallowfall sticking from "sky" and one in mural, just because Beledar switches from void and light lol. There are much more crytals in Azj-kahet especially one in middle of nerubian kingdom connecting all other, it resembles so much crystal in mural, with golden holder and "cage" around it. But idk people will still say its crystal from hallowfall😂

[@ShikageBlackthorne]

Cause it's known to be the one from hallowfall this has been know since the beta

[@UncrownedKingDante]

@@ShikageBlackthorne please tell me where it is referenced? Where did they say crystal in mural next to old god is same one from hallowfall? Stop making shi*t up, just because creators like Accollon have opinion and suggest it is like that but truth is mural WAS NEVER mentioned by any character yet.

[@UncrownedKingDante]

@@ShikageBlackthorne Where does it mention crystal from hallowfall is exact same one from mural next to old god? Please lighten me up.. or stop making stuff up because no, it was not mentioned like that.

[@spacequack5470]

​@@UncrownedKingDanteTakes all of 2 seconds to Google

[@UncrownedKingDante]

@@spacequack5470 since this comment was made we got explanation, month and half ago there was no confirmation “to google it” , delusion looking clown. Welcome to wow community, you must be new.

[@jomar_macedo]

To me that banner is just a symbol related to the old gods that was passed down to the twilight hammer cultists. The symbol is then as old as the time of the black empire, and was always a thing among some old gods followers. You can see that along with c'thun, they represented the an'quiraj city (the scarab makes it evident) and alog with the other old gods there are hints of places they where found (water for n'zoth, icy peaks for yogg, and a ??serpent?? for y'sh), wich is all the more strange because there is a pile of corpses where the unknown old god stands (would it be lordaeron or tirisfal glades??)... Also, old gods can see the future, so they knew about the hour of the twilight as long as they have been around.

[@SweaggerRexxar]

I rly think that Xal'atath is the 5th old God but not as we think... I think the 4 Old Gods did create here as a "Backup" so Xal'atath is basicly the combination out of all 4 Old Gods. So she is THE 5th Old God.

[@anthonypittl1352]

I agree with you! The only reluctance. Is that the devs and specifically said she is not an old god. So I don’t know what to think.

[@7PlayingWithFire7]

​@@anthonypittl1352 I don't want her to be an old god

[@christopherh4891]

@@7PlayingWithFire7 I dont think shes an old god not how we know but based on what the old gods are based on she seems similar to Nyarlathotep from HP lovecraft which is like the one who comes from the god of old goods the original old god and prepares planets by gathering followers and preparing for the coming of an Outer god (void lords). So if they basing her on him, she would indeed be wayyyyyyy more powerful than any of the old gods or should be, being technically an outer god, but serves as someone who lays the way for the outer gods to take over worlds.

[@7PlayingWithFire7]

@@christopherh4891 yeah but she also say "black blood, my blood", implying she's an old god. either way, just cause lovecraft has it be something else, it doesnt mean WoW would differentiate between them necessarily. So I get what you're saying, and I don't know, but these points are worth considering

[@tony9099]

Anyone else miss when WoW used to be full of mystery with fantasy and world adventures? Now its fill with aliens or “First ones” and beings beyond our realm past what our world is about,

[@deadlymixx]

Yeah but I think Metzen came back, realized it and is wrapping it all up with the trilogy. Then maybe we can get back to that which would be great.

[@stakkadakka3427]

Sometimes you have to leave your home to see it through different eyes

[@7PlayingWithFire7]

​@@deadlymixx I hope that's their intention, but nothing specifically about metzen highlights the return to "fantasy". Dragonflight was more of a return to high fantasy, and even then they compromised by doing all the "deathwing mad scientist" nonsense that they've been doing since vanilla. Warcraft will probably never go back to just fantasy I fear..

[@ragehoof1508]

I got a theory for you Accolon..... The old god is under twilight highlands.... since there are a bunch of gaping maws there but no actual old god from what I remember

[@yallahyallah4220]

I don't think void(void lords) and shadow(old gods) are natural allies. Their alliance was forced becaues the old gods were thrown out of their natural habitat/realm. They're nightmares manifest and don't belong to reality. but into the realm of dreams.

[@TheAccolonn]

Also a viable theory.

[@gunzorzz]

It's obvious no? it's friggin the mysterious god of baddy gods C'thulu xD and then Xalathaf or whatever gonna put herself in the top left corner as the Sixth

[@salemarde]

actually its clearly written that the fifth god was devoured by his kin, and all that remains of it is xal atath

[@salemarde]

the 5th old god ( xal atath) was loyal to the voidlords, the other old gods werent, that why they devoured her.

[@spacequack5470]

Already been established she isn't an old god

[@JEE774]

what a waste of time shadowlands was this is where the juice is at. fckin epic can't wait

[@mep1455]

I learned today that Azeroth is actually a lot smaller than the Earth.

[@willythemailboy2]

I think it was Chronicles 1 that said pre-Sundering Kalimdor was *one of* the biggest continents on Azeroth, and all of our time on Azeroth has been spent on leftover shards of that continent. The parts of the world outside the Umbral Veil theoretically have way more land area than the part inside it; in Earth terms we've been playing on a shattered Africa and the whole rest of the world is out beyond the Titans' barrier. It also opens the possibility that the five Old Gods we have know of are the five Old Gods that were inside the Titan barrier, with plenty more - and more powerful - waiting for us outside that barrier. Plus the Empire these new humans are from, wherever the green dragon finally ended up, and who knows what else. In terms of content after this World Soul Saga it may turn out that we've been in the sheltered part of Azeroth and the rest of the planet is a whole lot more dangerous.

[@Jaykerh9]

Boogers

[@dwolters_the_zombieman]

what if the light and the void are not the true enemies of us but to prepare us for something that is the real evil of everyone that we don't know yet

[@spacequack5470]

Wrong

[@WitchofTheLeftHand]

Third!

[@narlybroha8111]

what if all 5 old gods before the titans arrived because of the thousand truths of the void they made preparations for each truth and say they planted themselves in locations that would activate depending on the truth playing out and say what if there deaths. cthuun. yogsaron. yajsharaj . nzoth . each "death" would give the current living old god enough power to birth its awakening and xalatath the harbringer awakens it beyond

[@stans303]

Second!

[@riva2003]

Nah, four of them are imprisoned. one (Y'sharrj) is dead. says the in-game book

[@TheAccolonn]

@@riva2003 the in game book, if it's the one from I think it was Classic or TBC then that has been retconned by Blizz themselves long ago.

[@blubbobbelo]

First!

[@robertparker5827]

Since when did speculation become the new “confirmed”?

[@TheAccolonn]

@@robertparker5827 since it's all but confirmed but that would kill the thumbnail in search since no viewer is clicking s thumbnail that says "5th Old God may be Confirmed". Trust me, I wish being OTT wasn't needed but with KZbin operates these days, if you just try to be normal your videos simply die in obscurity.

[@Papakakadu]

Gotta love them spoilers in the video name. Thanks a lot…. Not

[@TheAccolonn]

This just in SPECULATION is now SPOILERS

[@2ndChanceWilkins]

Something tells me, Azeroth herself is some type of an Old God.

[@spacequack5470]

Wrong

[@2ndChanceWilkins]

@@spacequack5470 wanna provide some kind of insight without being a fuckin douche?

[@rasmuskjaerpoulsen]

Nice clickbait

[@BrunoMMRibeiro]

twilight hammer beeing one of the groups that worships the old gods, maybe hammer over a sun is the religious symbol of the old gods like christian cross is the symbol of christianity