not understanding While She Sleeps "SELF HELL" at all (Album Reaction)

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[@PENNYTRATION99]

Between this and whatever the hell Wage War decided to release with that Magnetic song I’m just so confused at wtf is being released lol

[@GLUTENX]

Magnetic makes the most sense for what rock is now tf you talking about 😂 try listening to the song

[@PENNYTRATION99]

@@GLUTENX I’m saying it didn’t sound like Wage War at all to me

[@metrotyler]

​@@kawaharaizumi731 whatt, I like Magnetic. sure its not mega heavy and it's not their best but its just more melodic and simple and I think there's stuff to like in it

[@daniellawson8182]

Rainbows is pretty sick.While WSS has been pretty solid last couple albums nothing hits as hard as You are we

[@ZIMBO37333]

You are we best album ever!

[@harryprice9132]

Tbh based on singles i didnt think id like the album but i actually enjoyed it more than i expected Not my favourite album by them and production was a bit hit/miss But i can appreciate them doing whatever they want and still being creative

[@luisclaudiofilho]

Same here, I didnt loved the singles, but it was actually enjoyable to listen to the album

[@toyotaecw]

To The Flowers was the only reason I even bought the album. Still the best song on the album. It sounds like a WSS song while still being different enough to be experimental.

[@FollowTheBeam19]

The mix sounds like the audio is coming from a phone in a pot.

[@nyxie_5146]

Yeah the production quality is disappointing. Same with So What? The guitars were very weak

[@ronin_fps]

Glad I’m not the only one who thought this

[@imminencepatz]

Yeah. This is really painful, especially compared to the recent releases from Polaris, The Plot In You or Silent Planet. My first WSS was 'You Are We', which has also very mid mixing imo, but sounds good compared to this! :/

[@Spokewiththedevil]

Truee

[@Daniele_1210]

Maybe this is an spotify fail ? I use Apple Music and it sounds awesome as always.

[@petrozza7206]

You Are We did set a bar so high that at this point I don't expect it ever to be reached by WSS unfortunately. Really enjoyed So What?, have barely any memories about Sleeps Society, and this one... it isn't necessarily terrible, it's just easily forgettable to me.

[@colinw990]

Brainwashed is that album for me

[@Sky-nq9pw]

YAW is too high like way too high

[@_Diktator]

So What? is one of my favorite albums tbf, not just metalcore, but in general. This one is, eh..

[@Lukemodi]

ok so WSS is one of my favorite bands ever and also ties with Our Mirage for most often seen on stage. You Are We was one of the first albums i decided to actually buy and put on my shelf. When So What? came out, i was kind of disappointed, but today i believe it might be even better than You Are We. Sleeps Society has some banger tracks in the first half, but non-special edition doesn't have enough 'real' songs imo. Special Edition is good, even though i don't understand all those instrumentals and interludes. This new album kinda feels like sleeps society but with less actually great songs in between. If you just squashed both of them into one, it could be really good i think. But in this form it just didn't really catch me. That being said, as a fan, i am happy they are in a position to actually make such an album and experiment in all the ways they want to. Also doesnt change the fact they are one of the best, maybe THE best, band i've seen so far.

[@tc5064]

Rainbows is pretty cool.

[@mech1708]

Having spoken to them at the early listening, this whole album was a “we wanna do this so we did it” they were listening to heaps of different music between the 5 of them and all put that into the album. For me I really like it, they said it would be pretty controversial but I think they’re expecting the divide on this one Also wild fact Mat told me was brainwashed was their least successful album so it’s funny to see people being like “ahh bring brainwashed back”

[@JordanExplores97]

brainwashed is like my most listened to album by them by far. i really love that this album didn't try to replicate the success of their obvious more successful records. the album is it's own thing.

[@user-fi6uk7zs9s]

I mean that's cool and I'm fine with people doing what they want to do but it seems like a disrespectful slap in the face to a band or an artist 's fan base when shit like this is quite literally just shit into their lap with a message of well we wanted to do what we wanted to do fuck all of you! Attached to it... Like beyond it being obviously childish, it really shows the type of people you're dealing with when you find people like that. Totally self-absorbed and completely egocentric borderline sociopaths

[@oscartaylordrums]

@@user-fi6uk7zs9sno band should have to write music specifically to please their fans. Where’s the joy and passion in music when all anyone does is write music to please a certain group of people. You may not like this album but they obviously feel something for it, which is literally what music is about. You’re the problem with the music industry if you think a band writing music they enjoy is “childish” Their old music is still there to listen to so just don’t listen to this album and go listen to their old stuff instead. Fans these days feel so entitled and expect every new release to be exactly what they personally want. The band owes nothing to you. There’s gonna be music you don’t like. Deal with it

[@luciflaire8935]

@@user-fi6uk7zs9s That's the most retarded take and genuinely disgusting attitude I've seen, I've noticed this sentiment with a few releases but noone was actually so audacious as to actually spell it out. No an artist is not your personal lapdog. You have the PRIVILEGE of getting to listen to what they want to produce. That's it. If you don't like it, that's okay, other people will. You are replacable. And you especially are not wanted. An artist has to do what they like or else it'll be unloved shit. That's the whole sentiment of why metal tends to be anti-mainstream, because they don't love their own product.

[@polydodecahedron]

@@oscartaylordrums Exactly!! The point of music is to make what you want to make and WSS have always been proud to be who they are rather than to be forced to do what others want or tell them to do. How on earth is it disrespectful to us as fans? As you stated, they literally owe nothing to us. I'm so happy that they're making what they want and would love to push them to continue doing just that!

[@afscrew123]

god Four Walls is such a banger, imagine that shit live

[@SteveOGRock]

I also struggled to fully understand the album as a whole on first listen. Some great moments. For sure. But that’s the thing: it’s some. I will continue to enjoy the 3-4 songs that I connected with, but unlikely to persevere with the others as much.

[@ilovepolyrhythm]

I like the album. Sounds like party and fun ❤

[@christianhackl474]

Exactly, I like it too tbh! Ngl it surprises me how much I liked it😂but yeah, I really dig most of the songs on the album. The worst track on it is the title track self hell imo haha

[@betaguitarist9385]

I love this album!

[@Beandip20010]

This album definitely suffers from the poop sounding mix. It sounds all muffled. To me anyway.

[@tosodoulis100]

I’m so confused and this comes from someone that absolutely loves WSS. Definitely not the best album, didn’t enjoy it the first time, the second time I did but it gives me the impression that is unfinished. I really hoped that this would be a huge album but I still believe that their experimentation could lead to something great

[@acampillo]

I also looove WSS and liked the second listening better than the first. I think people need to approach the album with no preconceptions. And I couldn't agree more with your take. It sounds like a logical way to go, but it feels that they haven't arrived yet... it feels unfinished but I'm excited for what's to come

[@valleyryde7418]

Metalcore/hardcore fans, letting you know their lives are as stagnant as their opinions

[@bransonallen2925]

I hate discussing this genre of music with people on the internet man.

[@user-wj7ot7jc7u]

I feel like this is gonna be one of those albums nobody gets now, but a couple of months, or even years later, everybody is going to see the merit. Kinda like what happened to Northlane with Obsidian.

[@WelcomeToMANTRA]

I thought Obsidian was always good. Maybe not as good as Alien but it was packed with a lot of tracks with replay value IMO.

[@atka0076]

What? People loved Obsidian when it came out.

[@metrotyler]

I pray

[@ThistleBlue]

Fair, I liked the majority of it, the only one I skip if it comes up is the No Feeling Is Final interlude. Is it peak, no. Is it bad, also no. Edit: Thinking about it, a lot of the music on this album has connections to Mental Health. It's brain chemistry, the theme is brain chemistry being out of order. The big MH.

[@TheFiXNormal]

Yeah, agree. It's not their best, but not their worst either, and funnily enough, I found Self Hell probably the worst song from the whole album. Feels like lately Bogdan's and Mine taste went completely different ways 😭😭😭

[@frost6006]

@@TheFiXNormal Wait, so, if this is not their worst, then what album is their worst? Worth noting, i liked this album, but this surely is their worst one out of every other album they have.

[@dr.knecht9104]

Bog is such a kind individual. Bro is trying to give reasonable critique even if the album is... Well as good as this one. Didn't stuck with me too, but happy for everyone that is able to enjoy this!

[@seifdog6244]

So what is actually my favorite wss album

[@WarmFizzyMilk]

I can appreciate them wanting to experiment and take things further

[@nicklasprince]

I really liked this album, more diverse and better vocals than on many of their previous albums, even though i love all of them!

[@MachoMitch101]

Im not totally sure what they were going for here. It just doesn't hit. The first time that's happened with wss for me.

[@raoulne]

I think you absolutely hate or absolutely love it. I get why people don't like it and i also dont like all songs. But it definitely has character in my opinion and most songs are very distinguishable WSS.

[@theunexpectedua]

While She Experiments 😂 No surprise that the only song I like so far is TTF.. I feel like they Architected themselves..

[@rok5521]

I also cant enjoy this album :( I am happy for all who enjoy this, but this is just not my cup of tea.

[@edschobs5204]

I have only given this one listen through. I was in the gym so actually paying attention to it was hard….but that’s my secret…listen to a new album in the gym first….once I give it a 2nd listen I’ll be able to enjoy it without every song sounding foreign to me! Then I’ll be able to pick out what I like and dislike better because my brain has already listened to it.

[@DudeLoopNoob]

I love rainbows

[@George_Grayy]

I think if you listen to it for what it is and not what you want it to be, it’s really enjoyable. But I think that goes for a lot of bands these days. Looking for ‘four wall’ style songs is the key example. Can’t expect an artist not to grow and want to try new things. I feel like sometimes people come in here with a negative mindset and it becomes less of a first listen/reaction and more gunning for criticism.

[@acampillo]

This

[@kieranblacker]

I agree, you have to let a group or artist try new things! However, the mix of this album is just strange! Songs are a different average volume, levels are all over the place and the pacing/transitioning is a bit strange.

[@George_Grayy]

@@kieranblacker I can certainly agree, the production leaves a little to be desired.

[@w0lfie00]

I really liked this album, it is kind of different and experimental in a weird but good way. I can understand people not liking it, but I think people should open their minds a little more and stop thinking of a band as only "metalcore"

[@metrotyler]

This is exactly the thing with Sleeps. They aren't just metalcore anymore, they're not some cookie-cutter standard hurr durr muddy heavy band, they've been playing with loads of styles in the past few years and people should just respect that at the bare minimum

[@moltentheoryx3332]

Disliking this album isn't about having a closed mind lmao what, I had never really listened to while she sleeps before this album and I thought it was bad. It's bland, the mix is really weird, the lyrics are some of the worst I've heard this year, the vocals feel really grating, and there is a fake and overproduced (almost synthetic) sound to it. Nothing wrong with liking the album, nothing wrong with hating the album either. It's got nothing to do with having an "open mind". You either like it or you don't.

[@metrotyler]

@@moltentheoryx3332 That's the case for you though. A lot of other people are long time Sleeps fans or whatever and think that it was crap simply because it wasn't the same album for the 7th time. It happens a lot, Thornhill suffered the exact same thing, even Bring Me The Horizon have.

[@moltentheoryx3332]

@@metrotylerI know it was the case for me. That's why I said "I THOUGHT" quite clearly in my original comment. Disliking the album is not about if your mind is open or not. It's just how you found the album. Clearly you love it seeing as you jump to defend it on every single comment in the comments section, and that's okay.

[@metrotyler]

@@moltentheoryx3332 ...that doesn't disprove anything I said, I was just adding that it *can* be about having a closed mind with your expectations of what to hear out of a band. And I do love it but I can see why someone wouldn't - I mainly believe closed mindedness has a poor influence on the perception of things like lyrics

[@xmajin8871]

Vocals are high on being low the whole album

[@nayna8036]

I am not a big WSS fan aside from some of the previous singles. But I loved this album. To me it was literally about being in "self hell". It's very angry, sad, and sarcastic. I don't know, something about it really touched me though I understand from the viewpoint of past while she sleep music, why most people would be very confused about this release.

[@metrotyler]

It's a really good album that I feel the vocal majority just don't understand and treat too harshly

[@user-fi6uk7zs9s]

0:28 that moment when your confused head bang just turns into a confused head tilt...

[@sweetgregt]

I don't understand how "To the flowers" is on this album...

[@nickwait5260]

The one song I thought you were gonna dunk on you ended up liking. Man I don't know what to think anymore haha. I actually ended up enjoying this album more than I expected. One or two songs that are a bit meh but otherwise some seriously good riffage.

[@Mcwordless]

Wati... is this the same band that who released you re we?

[@Tomlawrence93]

The dance hall vibes in the drums at the end of ebemy mentality are literally the only good thing here

[@danielgarces6934]

I mean I think is different in kind of a good way, but fair critique tbh

[@SeanCross_YT]

My buddy Riley noticed that the drum part before the breakdown in Enemy Mentality and I agree with him that it might be a One Piece reference to the Drums Of Liberation which would be soooooo sick!

[@SeanCross_YT]

"Self Hell" did not land for me either. "To The Flowers" and "Down" were kind of the highlights for me, and tracks like "No Feeling Is Final" took me back to "Living Things" Era Linkin Park so I would not be surpised if they're aiming to take on that mantle as Linkin Park in its entirety plans to retire some day but this was probably the weakest WSS album to date

[@thequatropus]

I really didn't like this album. If the album had the same effort put in like To The Flowers, Out of the Blue, and Enemy Mentality, it would have been a solid release. On first listen, the first track I liked was literally No Feeling Is Final which is an interlude lol.

[@leagueoflemons6844]

Cool album, interesting mixing.

[@somedogsarecops2354]

Best Sleeps album in years. I get people want cookie cutter metalcore all the time, but this album is super fun to listen to.

[@DyensCreations]

Exactly !

[@lycanthoss]

I actually really like the album, the only bad parts for me: - the interludes. I think everyone knows the disappointment of an interlude and I think they can work, but only if they actually transition songs really well, but in this case they only fill the space and don't really relate to the other songs, and they are also 3 minutes long. - repeated lyrics for choruses - I didn't really think about this until Bogdan pointed it out, but, yeah, slightly cringy lyrics

[@metrotyler]

point 2 doesn't make sense to me, its a chorus, its obviously going to have the same thing

[@lycanthoss]

@@metrotyler what I mean is that for example the Leave Me Alone chorus is just "Leave me the fuck alone" x4 or x8 and Self Hell is "Let's praise the love"

[@metrotyler]

@@lycanthoss oh right, I misread. I can agree with that honestly, if it was just one song fair enough but two is maybe a bit excessive

[@iowa3210]

Yes wildfire gets low the volume so weird hahaha Rainbow is the best track at all!

[@rubenkriel1627]

You are we is peak WSS

[@agentfaz8759]

100%

[@MsLuke10]

An intense intro that doesn't flow into track 2 at all (that alone would have probably been enough to make me actually LIKE Leave Me Alone to be honest) two 3 minute interludes, a weird acoustic album closer, it's just a really weird album for me. Combined with the fact they've actively used fan disappointment in their marketing for this album makes me think they lack a bit of direction without a record label, some will love it but not me

[@scottperkins5038]

I enjoyed this album, it had to do some growing on me but over all good stuff. AOTY? Probably not, between WSS having better material and Erra and Alpha Wolf are releasing stuff soon.

[@deetsitmeisterjd]

Me when every band does the same album over and over and people goon for it....

[@thelightyears_]

I actually really enjoyed this album. Not their best by a long shot, but solid and still has that While She Sleeps fire to it.

[@MayonesaMayhem]

I respect them for doing what they want to do, I’m not a fan at all. An instrumental cut would be solid though.

[@luisrodas297]

Yeah this record is the most weird stuff they make, but its good on its way, give a 7.5/10.

[@_Forza]

It's just bad. It's 2024. Nobody above 13 should be saying "leave me the fuck alone"

[@jacksonconstantine5740]

Exactly. Corny ass MySpace lyrics

[@joshua_5683]

I love this album

[@metrotyler]

me too, it gets an unfortunately bad rap

[@midoxbz]

bro , this album is good

[@metrotyler]

it is, just very misunderstood unfortunately

[@seanm1955]

I mean don't get me wrong its bad but at least its bad in interesting and original ways (looking at you Architects)

[@uniservicemann3186]

I kinda dig it. Im no WSS fan yet, but hearing this, i dig some of the vibes here. Its apparent that this a new sound for them so i acknowledge that. But i dig it

[@connorhendrickson]

Reading these lyrics after experiencing an album like Death is Little More just shows you all songwriters are not created equally 😂 these lyrics are rough

[@DreadJester448]

I got new headphones right when TTF came out as a single and i almost immediately returned them when i heard how deflated the guitars sounded, not realizing it was just the mix

[@uniquetec15]

Повністю згоден, теж перший їх альбом, який мені не зайшов ніяк :( Хоча декілька треків мали непоганий потенціал, але продакшн такий, наче пісні порожні, та ж 'To The Flowers' - доволі емоційна пісня і клип, але коли вона звучить наче з дінаміка китайського телефона, то неможливо її порівняти наприклад з таким ж емоційним 'Nervous'

[@gab4176]

WSS being my favorite band (and omg their live performance :O !), I'm sooo disappointed by this album. I get the point of trying new things, innovate, etc. But this is not even original, that is the most hurtful aspect of it to me. It's a consolidation of random songs that have almost nothing in common, 0% consistent. The best part of the album only lasts 30s and it is the end of "Enemy Mentality" with this percussion/synth. Trying to dig this percussion vibe is a good example of what could have been a true identity for an album (as well as the mix pop/metal of Self Hell song that I like a lot). Without this identity, this new album will be immediatly forgotten. It's OK no one can produce albums that will each time satisfy 100% of listeners. Let's fait for new WSS albums and let potential new fans enjoying this one :)

[@cheesecheese3580]

🤘

[@alexdarkside115]

Guys is it just me or you are we album isnt on spotify? I cant find it...

[@Nurse_Sean]

IDK I really enjoyed this album, the variety and still hearing WSS at their core (to me at least). Interludes are a bit annoying but still enjoying it overall. 8/10

[@KrandoxLP]

I knew from the get go that the discourse around this album would be a shit show for a large part but then I listened and I'm absolutely in the minority here, but I really like the album. I see why people dont like it but it just pushes some right buttons for me

[@mattthsf]

This feels very amauter. Voice sometimes is low and the songs seems from a first album of a emo band back in 2005.

[@zaqydafa9610]

You Are We is one of my favourite metalcore album, and knowing what WSS becomes now is kinda sad.

[@Rita-of1qg]

No feeling is final is so genius. Your reaction to it explain its name 😂

[@kokiri95gr]

i really enjoyed the album.. i get why people doesn't like it, there are alot of flat parts in some songs but overral i really liked it!

[@amytt1996]

While She Sleeps somehow reminds me a lot of Protest the Hero in a sense that we can tell the guys are insanely talented musicians and they have a few good songs here and there but they don't sound very musical overall. Kinda feels like a bunch of noises put together and that's it 😔

[@depracated]

I like WSS, but this is bad, it's Octane Core maxxed out

[@11hc11]

Rainbows is best of the non-singles imo, but I think the whole album will be better when the deluxe comes out

[@dietcokechamp]

yeah this album is really awful. does nothing interesting, poor song writing, mixed like shit. a miserable effort tbh

[@BritishWendigo]

As someone who considers WSS to be their favourite band this album honestly disappointed me a little bit. Some solid tracks but overall I was massively let down.

[@MrTheBuh]

I love the album...Down, Rainbows, To The Flowers are top tier WSS songs for me

[@VeronikaBenson]

Weird album, kinda fun

[@ZaryasBestFriend]

There are already bands doing better versions of this style, like Avoid and Ocean Grove. Heck, even Code Orange tried this late 90s direction to various degrees of success--and failure. I don't think it's wrong to try, but I think you REALLY need to make it stand out from the others doing this.

[@metrotyler]

I'm a big Ocean Grove fan, this isn't sleeps trying to do that style at all.

[@ZaryasBestFriend]

@@metrotylerWell, my ears tell me differently. The late 90s/early 2000s Rap-alternative rock/metal on Flip Phone Fantasy and some of the tracks here are in the same wheelhouse.

[@jacksonconstantine5740]

@@ZaryasBestFriendI hear it. Flip phone is a masterpiece compared to this though

[@ben_angel]

No surprises as to which (one and only) song I like here...

[@bbeeaarrr]

this album is an identity crisis

[@xrpendgame6623]

Probably not going to go down as one my favorite WSS albums but it definitely has its moments.

[@Kaikopf]

yeah I think this is where I drop WSS. I might give them another go in the future but idk

[@rez6624]

This album just dont work. To The Flowers looks like a single from 4 years ago that people decided to put in the album, it's not the same vibe

[@branm25]

I dont understand how this band fell off so hard after their first 3 albums

[@metrotyler]

calling SO WHAT or even SLEEPS SOCIETY bad in comparison is such a dumb statement

[@branm25]

Sorry but almost everything they've done after You are We is Cringe and a big ol block of cheese. Just my opinion.

[@nolanhill7534]

I’m glad I’m not the only one

[@N_TSP]

This album seems to go to the end but doesn't go all the way (I like the songs To The Flower and Down)

[@wadahboy9142]

The same first songs break on enlightenment

[@sixthcirclefr]

I thought it was great !! I think we're used to the over production of modern production and this is a little more natural I guess! I love it tbh

[@shan946]

listen to downswings new EP. it SLAPS

[@jonissues1914]

Not a fan of this neither, also i dont like how the band pre-defended the album so much since the first single saying that this is a "change in sound and if you dont like it, it is fine", like they knew the album would fail, it feels super forced. Also, for me, it is not that much of a change, they used the same kind of synths before, the songs are just not well putted together.

[@darkomen1290]

this is such a weird album because To The Flowers is one of the best songs I've heard recently, but the rest of the album was a skip for me

[@afscrew123]

I was at work and saw they released a new album and like what the heck il just try it out, so i listened to it front to back, the only song i previously heard was TO THE FLOWERS which i enjoyed. I dont think I enjoyed a single song other than that one. I was utterly confused by the album in its entirety. Clearly not for me and thats fine, they have other music thats amazing.

[@AingebildetS55]

What just happened to all my favourite bands

[@GaffAttack09]

Rainbows for me is probably the best song on the album. Down and Self Help are bangers and I enjoyed Enemy Mentality and To the Flowers as well, but the rest is kinda meh. Total agree about the album just sounds like aa bunch of songs. There is no flow to it what so ever.

[@slushpuppydevil]

Off to see them do some of these songs acoustic at a signing today and I'm hoping they'll translate better there than on the album ... There's some really good stuff in this album but then in most all the songs it's surrounded by stuff I just can't gel with, shame really

[@SnowFlyGG]

So... this album is straight cringe.

[@kianllewellyn8265]

Im actually so shocked that some people dont like sleeps society and say they havent made a good album since you are we, but this is just its just rubbish, so disappointing

[@svmmyb0i220]

To me this feels like a much worse version of Kaliyuga by In Hearts Wake. I think that album worked incredibly well because of its genre bending and stylistic choices, and this almost sounds like if someone heard the first couple of tracks from that and tried to replicate it from memory. I do like While She Sleeps, but this album is not it 🫤

[@ZIMBO37333]

The thing i dislike the most is the fact that While she sleeps (especially Sean) can't take any criticism. They just get mad and repeat the bad lines people say and try to make fun of it like little children...

[@metrotyler]

...that is completely untrue, they're not very widely aware of the world's critiques but calling them children is absolutely insane. maybe I'm wrong though if you wouldn't mind finding me some examples of them "making fun of it" and "getting mad"

[@superrc231]

Anyone got Fort Minor - Believe Me vibe from Dopesick intro?

[@PlaceHolder994]

The album is cool, but I personally haven't fallen in love with it. Some solid songs in it, but I see myself coming back to other albums more.

[@CheyEG]

Now listen to something good, "The death and birth of an angel" by Fallingwithscissors perhaps, EP of the year might I add!