This 875cc Fiat engine is TINY. Was it easy to remove?

In this video I'm pulling the engine out of my broken Fiat 500 TwinAir.
This is now my second rodeo, and like anything you practice it's starts getting easier. You begin to notice patterns. I'm also trying to begin diagnosing why there might be excessive oil in the intercooler.
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[@aslandama]

This is my favourite new channel. I've had memberships for Hubnut, Furious Driving, and Twin Cam for a while and I follow many similar channels. If you're in this for the long term then hats off to you and I will be keeping a look. I pretty much learned all my car knowledge from dabbling and having a go and also good old Haynes Manuals. I'm getting old now and don't do so much but love to watch you youngsters having a go.

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

It’s great to have you on board. I’m definitely in this for the long-term. This is the most meaningful work I’ve ever done.

[@Bmonster14gaming]

I'm very impressed with your ability to pickup the skills you are learning so quickly. You must have had some sort of idea of basics. I have been working on cars here in the USA Vermont for about 5/6 years now and I'm self taught. But learning with each new vehicle I repair.Watching your videos reminds me of my journey and I totally get what you are saying. Great videos! I am doing just what you are doing here in Vermont!

[@lauraiss1027]

My friend is a car mechanic and what I've learned from him, is that if you do enough "scratch, scratch and hmmmmm", then "whoosh and trrrr trrr", then "crickety crack, knock knock and unghhh" it almost always ends up with "wrooom wroom" and "Tadaaaa!"

[@ItZFlipz]

finally somebody who's making sense I'm a mechanic too I get what you're friend is telling you

[@stevekaye565]

Just to say - respect 👊 well done - only part way through your videos but great to see your attitude, approach and fortitude- no garage no grinder no heat gun no impact wrench no garage - most people would not even attempt to remove the alternator never mind do an engine swap Also great that the video is not full of you just swearing and cussing when something is tricky and love the little things like your thoughtfulness about cleaning the area offer the car Well done mate 👌

[@markshone4606]

After working on my own cars for years and only learning about the cars I owned I’ll will admit for the first 10 years or so it’s enjoyable,would I be a fully qualified mechanic err no never it’s a nightmare of a job and hats off too them even with the right tools a 2 min job can become a 2 day job

[@nathancamenzuli3329]

Just a small tip for you in the future, if you have a person on hand you can tell them to press the brake pedal and you can remove that axle nut with the wheel off 😉

[@DN-me8mt]

Ive change couple engines on volvos n Audis in my life , and thid dude makes it look so damn easy 😅. But i think when changing a engine the hardest part is ALLWAYS some bolts thats rosted and you allways gotta do some breakdance to get it off😅. Fucking love this dude man , hes a warrior with a smile . ❤

[@ianfaulds8799]

Great video, takes me back to when I was a street mechanic. Well done.

[@QBallRacing]

if the pistonrings are stuck you get as you said compression leaking past the pistons down into the crankcase. but that exessive air/pressure would not get pressed up via the turbo returnline, but it will get let out into the intake via the PCV (Positive Crankcase Ventilation) and that explains the oil in the intake. if you look you will find a hose that goes from the rockercover/valvecover to one of the intake tubes...

[@thebarleymow]

Good man. Well done. You remind me of too many struggles with motors way back starting in the early 70s and continuing right through to the late 80s when I finally got my first company car. I have now started all over again with a couple of “classic cars “. A 1954 Morris Minor and a 1970 Triumph Herald 13/60 convertible. Do we ever learn? Thankfully - no 🤪👍

[@paulfarrell1244]

You must have incredibly understanding neighbours .

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Haha yep - they’re great

[@simonbarker2567]

Yet another great video! I enjoy seeing someone going through the same trials and tribulations as I have. Well done! Most of us have been outside mechanics at some point.

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Cheers, Simon 👍🏻

[@philtowle4683]

I have had to grind a 36mm socket down for axle nuts. Looks awful but does job. The panda will need same.

[@vaultron]

Brave man! I took one look at the video and freaked.

[@neilaaitchison4473]

Your doing brilliant mate .your a braver man than me .I would never attempt an engine removal alone .fare play to ya .

[@mick7425]

Well done m8 your getting really good at this now.love your video's Can't wait for the next one happy Easter

[@charlietraquair6866]

Another great effort… confidence is growing!!!!

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

It really is - I was nervous as hell taking the Mini engine out, but this time around it was a breeze

[@GoWstingray]

Well done mate, partway through another adventure! Love it how you stuck the don’t worry I’m gonna clean the floor in case your neighbour is watching lol

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Haha you never know who’s watching!

[@mattburford2035]

Full of admiration for you pal 👍

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Cheers Matt 👍🏻

[@md-detailing]

Another great video Nino! Jesus the 500s engine is small,i thought my 1.5dci in my Megane was small!

[@flapsfalkland5181]

Ace video! Looking forward to the next one 👍

[@johndodds7949]

Diagnose Dan is great lessons

[@philtowle4683]

For rounded nuts flank drive sockets are great, for DIY goodyear do some. I have some stag 3/8 ones that are pretty good to. The irwin extractors are brilliant when a socket wont work. I would have got the angle grinder out for the clamp though.

[@PandaMobileMechanic]

Hi the more work you do and different aspects the more knowledgeable you become and eventually it will come as second nature to everything you do the future good ways and bad ways doing things comes with trial and error but you are doing a fantastic job and now subscribed

[@johnclancey653]

A great watch, keep them coming

[@seanscott8125]

New to your channel and a big well done. I feel your pain about working in a parking bay and fighting with drop kerbs and a narrow gate. I have to do the same as you. Get yourself some swivel casters and make a trolley to move engines easily.

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Thanks, Sean. That’s a great shout about the swivel casters and trolley - will definitely take a look at what I can knock-up because I don’t think this is gonna be my last engine removal 😅

[@aaronbensi9723]

Well done ... Make sure to get the turbo checked out..

[@davidsjenkins281]

Hi just found your channel you need to watch selvage rebuild s there a good pair of guys to watch on KZbin ive enjoy your video s. Keep up with the good work 👍

[@CastroS14]

Quality video 👍 Keep it up bud

[@pdtech4524]

Brilliant video, appreciate you sharing this and your experience removing the twinair from your Fiat 500. Very helpful, my Fiat Panda 4x4 has the same engine, the 0.9 twinair and the engine bay is very tight, a lot of bigger jobs on the engine, require this kind of access. I know these engines require more regular oil changes than Fiat recommend and the correct grade is critical as the twinair system uses the oil to operate the hydraulic intake valves. Oil starvation will cause the intake valves to not open, there is a little oil filter mesh in the twinair system which needs periodic cleaning out and is often neglected even on fully serviced cars. I've heard of the oil in the intercooler hose before on the twinair before and there is a thread on the Fiat forum discussing it, many owners are surprised to find half a drinks can amount of oil in there when they disconnect a hose, so there must be a common issue causing it. My opinion is it's either oil leaking from the centre shaft of the turbo between the inlet and exhaust sides of the turbo, the bearing is fed oil, my guess is the seals are failing early, causing oil to be drawn into the inlet manifold and collect in the intercooler then burnt if it gets drawn into the engine on wide open throttle. OR the EGR valve is recirculating hot exhaust gases along with crankcase vapours (containing oil vapour) that get recirculated from the crankcase ventilation system and are fed back into the inlet manifold, I guess upstream of the intercooler and turbo? Maybe you could verify this and check if oil is present after where the crankcase vent enters the inlet manifold but not before it? I think these hot oil vapours are condensing as they enter the 'cool' intercooler and forming into oil again, this is the lowest part of the system so this is where it would collect. Obviously oily sooty deposits are not great in the 'clean' intake system but the EGR is there to reduce emissions and improve mpg, not to give long life to your engine! The rod on the turbo you weren't sure of is the wastegate control, as far as I understand it regulates the boost pressure provided by the turbo. On the twinair the end with the cotter pin can become lose, rattle and cause boost issues. Keep us updated.

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Thanks for all that info bud 👍🏻 My main problem with the amount of oil that was in the intercooler is that this is the first turbo car I've worked on properly so I don't have anything to compare it to. I suppose once I get more experienced I'll have a good idea. There was definitely oil present after where the crankcase vent enters the inlet manifold, but I didn't think to check if it was there before. Will have to remember that for the future.

[@pdtech4524]

@@NotEconomicallyViable That would make sense then if the oil is entering the inlet manifold via crankcase vent as a vapour, it would condense in the intercooler and form back into oil, over time collecting? Just something to be aware of with the Twinair I think as I've heard of a few different owners mention it on the Fiat Forum. I've never checked mine, 47k miles on mine. Never had any major issues with mine, exceot a tail light bulb and the only time it let me down was I left it parked up for around 6 months during lockdown, the battery went flat and the oil that normslly sits in the twinair hydraulic valve system drained out, so it wouldn't start. It was just spinning over and not firing. Apparently when there is no oil in the Twinair system it won't operate the intake valves and will just spin over like you have no compression. The solution was a lot of cranking to get the oil back into the system, a lot more than you'd think it would need.👍

[@alan6832]

Middle aged turbos put a little oil in the intercooler, which can build up over time, but old turbos and old PCV intake vents can put in quite a lot of oil.

[@neilhampson2843]

I am on with a VW golf 1.4 tsi, twin charge (supercharged+ turbocharged) same problem as in no manuals and very little online. Great effort in getting the engine out. I have the same engine crane as you, and they are a pig to move with the weight of an engine on them. Have a look on line for a local machine shop, they could easily turn down the socket for you, just a thought. Bank holiday are a pain when you need parts.

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Cheers, Neil. Those cranes are definitely a pig to move - especially on tarmac! Turbocharged and supercharged at the same time…yeah I’ll work my way up to that hahaha

[@Alexander_l322]

I just subbed 🙂 I like fiats I think they are so easy and fun to work on and to drive

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Cheers, Alex. You're dead right - this has been a very easy car to work on

[@chocolateteaspoon]

In regards to the harness it may be an idea to remove it from the ECU end if accessible, would make it a bit easier going back in

[@willswheels283]

Fair play to you for having a go mate, we all have to start somewhere, first thing is to learn how everything works, so research is your first port of call which I’m assuming you’ve done, I’ve never worked on a Fiat 500 twin air and I’m no qualified mechanic but I will say that if you could make the engine normally aspirated you would probably find the car very underpowered, it’s the turbo that gives that little 900 engine enough shove to pull away on hills and quick enough in traffic. Another thing is take pictures of stuff before you pull of wires and hoses etc so you’ll have a reminder of where things go when your putting the thing back together.

[@profemeritus534]

The TwinAir was actually sold in a naturally aspirated form in the BeNeLux countries due to taxation reasons (low tax class for

[@frednetherlands887]

I enjoyed this!

[@stuart121972]

Well done on getting the engine out. On the subject of rusted nuts and bolts Matt from Furious Driving has been using a penetrant spray called Bulldog BDX on his channel and seems to be having good results with it.

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Cheers, Stuart, will take a look at it. Someone else recommended PlusGas as a good penetrant, so got a couple on the list now

[@smurfsmurf2295]

Happy Easter mate

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Same to you bud 👍🏻

[@MyJon64]

If you had an angle grinder, you could of ground the gide off the face of your 36mm socket! I recommend you do the same to a 17mm socket for when you undo the engine oil drain bolt.

[@philtowle4683]

Looks like it's had a coolant leak/issue looking under the expansion tank. You were pointing at wastegate on turbo.

[@pmf2910]

I feel your pain my friend

[@chrisb00k]

best way to check a turbo is take the inlet pipe off and check the shaft of the turbine for play. with all the oil you've got in the pipes i would think the seals have gone. get yourself an angle grinder, makes quick work of exhaust brackets. keep it up!

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Cheers, Chris, I’ll give that a go 👍🏻

[@markdoesstuff2023]

Taking a load of photographs would help, I would think.

[@UnearthedMind]

Love the videos and the fact that you are doing this on the street because I am too :D. Where do you keep your engine hoist?

[@GT380man]

I think it’s “he’s a strong lad”. I swapped an engine and gearbox from a Ford Escort Mk2, in two lumps, on my own, when I was 25 or so, under similar conditions. Recon / exchange wasn’t too expensive and it was a helluva lot better than before I swapped them over. I remember bench pressing the gearbox & shoving on the back of the engine, in situ. It was quite heavy. The engine, I got out after the old box was out, and I’d taken everything off first. The recon engine was bare, so I needed to swap everything over. The bare motor was so heavy that I must have had help. I simply don’t remember. I had stripped & rebuilt a couple of motorcycle engines by then, so I had basic tools and some successful spannering under my belt.

[@paulburgess1455]

If it's suffered oil starvation then the turbo will be u.s with how fast it spins and with no oil it will wear out in minutes, or the turbo has let go and dumped the oil into the intake system, remember you've got this

[@markwhiting4669]

Loving the process, Just an idea, but you could use the engine stand to help, so Crain out the engine, then move it to the curb and have the engine stand on the path mount the engine and push it in the garden, might work, might not.

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Yeah that would’ve worked. I’ve got a stand too, I was just in a rush because I had to get inside and edit the video so didn’t want to take the gearbox off lol

[@paultaylor9652]

There you go you did it again. Should get the good lady joining in, it was her car. 😬

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

I just suggested this to her and I’ll be honest she didn’t seem too enthusiastic haha

[@maxvannieuwpoort9687]

Im gonna attempt this exact engine swap soon so the one nanosecond to like and subscribe is well deserved. Good video, ill be watching the installing of the engine vid soon. Your reaction in removing it is quite reassuring so I hope the same goes with the install?? Cheers

[@Draxindustries1]

The coolant had something to do with this engine failure. The tank is full of rust, likely lack of antifreeze. Rust scale will block the tiny waterways of this engine causing overheating.

[@user-yv5qr7qu4p]

Brilliant video you have the patience of a Saint lol.

[@SimonWallwork]

I can see you are new to this, as I was once too. Just do it, learn a bit, do some more. Learn by doing it!

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Agreed 100%. We all have to start somewhere

[@HCrawf]

Aaaaand she’s out! Good effort moving the engine into the garden, did better than I would…crane would likely have toppled backwards onto me knowing my luck🤣 But GLOVES, Nino, GLOVES!!!

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Ahh you didn’t see all the bits I edited out 😂😂😅😅

[@HCrawf]

@@NotEconomicallyViable bloopers reel?😎

[@derekga6973]

Excessive oil in the intake is a result of a bad PCV, They get skipped in general maintenance by most mechanics, Normal amounts of oil in the intake would be just a moist covering inside the pipes not poodles flowing around

[@GeorgeAusters]

Oil in the boost hoses is perfectly normal.. Likely just from the CCV

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

I wish I knew how much oil is considered 'normal'. Suppose it's one of those things you learn the more turbos you work on 🤷‍♂️

[@josephjohnstone7667]

There is a Dremel on Amazon for around £30 and it's saved my arse so many times 😂. Also a DeWalt 950nm impact, worth it's weight in gold 😁. If you remove the black pipe on the left of the turbo you can feel the inlet turbine. A tiny amount of side to side movement is okay (1mm or so?) but back and forth is definitely not normal. It'll also be soaked in oil if it's let go.

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

That DeWalt has been mentioned to me a few times now, so definitely putting it on the list! Thanks for the turbo advice - will test this out

[@josephjohnstone7667]

@@NotEconomicallyViable My DeWalt is unbeaten yet 😂. And you're welcome!

[@Alexander_l322]

@@NotEconomicallyViable get the Milwaukee if you’re serious 😁

[@jangoooo]

Have you looked at any hanyes manuals or haynes autofix

[@norb0254]

If it just had back pressure a hone and new piston rings would sort it..Generally with backpressure..if you remove the oil filler cap you will feel it ..The pressure like all things in life will take the easy route out of the engine

[@williamwhite9767]

I would have drained the engine oil and checked it for metal and also removed the oil filter and cut it open for inspection. If there wasn't any metal chips in the oil, I'd continue driving it.

[@chucknutbraker]

did the exhaust manifold have a gasket?

[@LynxCarpathica]

Knowing that this has multiair as a valve control system, and it had no oil - and therefore no valve lift - could have easily caused no compression as there was nothing to compress. As soon as it filled the multiair module again it started to run. I think it’s way more likely than a simply stuck ring. Edit: now that I think about it it probably does not even have a throttle valve. Edit of edit: never mind it has one lol I was just blind af

[@dannykimble7671]

I’m not a mechanic but think you always get a bit of leakage from turbo seals, they do thousands of revs & I think run in ceramic bearings.

[@DSPrints_]

I’d of pulled of the inlet of turbo and had a feel of impeller see if that has any play or leaks

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Cheers mate will give that a go 👍🏻

[@paulanderton9424]

Hi buddy. These twin air 500's are sooo sensitive to oil and filters. The secondary uni air filter needs cleaning and replacing also. Quick question please. Whereabouts on the engine is the plastic manifold? And where is the oil pressure switch? I also can't find anything online. Cheers

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

If I work that out I’ll let you know mate 👍🏻

[@smithiestrackmini]

That engine is small enough to get in a good wheelbarrow to move into & out of the garden mate... Hoist it into & out the barrow. I Still think it could just be normal to have that much oil in the intercooler from the PCV system, especially if you were over pressurising the crank case with passing valves or rings. Do the cheap stuff first if your wrong you can do the expensive stuff as a last resort.... Now back to me sunbed in Mexico 🇲🇽🌞😎👍 Good luck...

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Fair enough - it’s obviously hard for me to compare oil quantities with this being the first time I’ve ever dealt with a turbo. People have given me some good pointers on what to test with it once I pull it off, so hopefully I’ll get to the bottom of it 👍🏻 Currently raining where I am, so enjoy that sun bed 😎☀️

[@allseeingeye1]

Get some oil absorbing medium and sweep it up rather than jet washing down the drains

[@leecritchley4067]

Where in the country are you if you not to far could help or i will have the tools

[@khurumali8893]

See at your turbo if it gots free play if you wiggle it where is the fan

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Ok nice one I’ll give that a go 👍🏻

[@ahfan406]

new to your channel and if you would like to know thr parts diagram of the coolant hose and oil cooler, I may help to get you the diagram

[@paulanderton9424]

I'm desperate for the plastic manifold and oil pressure switch location diagram if you have one. Absolutely nothing online or any forums for this engine

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

It’d be great if you could help me get those diagrams

[@allseeingeye1]

Get some larger better quality wheels for your engine crane. Amazing what difference that will make.

[@mahranh8078]

SUBSCRIBED ..COOL

[@whitemonkey7932]

well it's out....get yourself a mini grinder not an a Dremel ...way more useful. Nah you've got a good engine but honestly you needed one with a manifold and turbo on it - your turbo is shot so it's going to need a cartridge or a rebuild, you've also got to think about the cat, it's probably stuffed with all that oil running through it. I had a merc 204 diesel that I did an oil change on...it never used any oil but for some reason after the oil change all of a sudden it chose to clog the precat up, it would barely run and went into limp mode...only solution was a quick decat with a long chisel. Shame you couldn't get a complete engine with turbo. Your intercooler needs a good washout too. Definitely buy a mini grinder...could have modded the socket and cut that bolt in a second or two. I as you wheeled the engine through, if that had been me it would have toppled into the neighbour's car and wiped out half the front end. It's all down hill from now - try and get the new engine back as quick as you can even if you have to fit the turbo later.

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Thanks for the advice bud. Is there a way to clean all the oil out of the cat?

[@johncallaghan4616]

‘Che-be-da, whoo-whoo-whoo’ to you too, Nino! Fantastic effort once again. Two things;- - (as my CDT teacher (and my Father)) bemoaned to me, use the WHOLE of the hacksaw blade 😉 - whilst the Halfords Advanced kit is impressive, save yourself some time and invest in a Cordless Wrachet Wrench （I have a Makita WR100DZ which isn’t the best in the market, but is way more than sufficient) and saves SOOOOOO much time ‘de-nutting’) I would have placed a bid on ‘Bob’ but the ad said you wouldn’t ship to Hong Kong - trust you understand 😉 Keep us posted on the Fiat - wrong engine for me, but vested interest, and you’ve done a great educational job thus far - will “labels” be Bob’s Karma on this one🤔 sincerely hope not JCHK

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Only the top section of the blade was sharp because this is my most overused tool 😂 I’m making a note of the Makita. I’ll start adding these tools once budget allows - ploughing most the cash back into the cars and parts. Bob does HK. Got a ring to it.

[@ThorMotorWerks]

Can’t believe you pulled the slave on purpose to suck in more followers. That’s a good 2 uploads on bleeding the slave Mk2 😂 Are you going to do an update on the mini when it sold with prices etc? Or is that something you don’t want think about 😂

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

I knew you were gonna leave a comment about the slave cylinder 😂😂😂 I’m not sure about the cost update for the Mini - I really don’t want to think about it haha.

[@rarswlew6070]

Wow that’s not even your house you’re doing it infront of. Bet they love it 😂

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

They don’t get an option haha

[@pepedrat2982]

I accidentally pulled the same hose off the intercooler on my Twinair, and was surprised that there was oil in it. Not loads, maybe 100-200ml, but I didn't expect any. I'm no mechanic, so I haven't a clue how it got there. I'd guess it condensed there somehow. Ho hum. *Update. The best resource available for that engine is the parts catalogue, fiat 7 zap. I don't think I can post links so search 'fiat 7 zap.' While the engine's out I'd change the oil pressure sensor on the back of the rocker cover. I've had two go, and the inlet manifold gives you very little room. Also, if I was hanging on to the car, I'd change the oil cooler housing. Yours is looking cruddy on the outside. I had one fail cataclysmically, and then due to an idiotic garage, I needed three fitting in total, at 250 a pop. They're plastic, and when they fail you get oil and water issues. If I ever get engine issues now, I take it to the main stealership, as it seems to puzzle mechanics. Otherwise, it's a great little car, and really nippy round town.

[@whitemonkey7932]

100-200ml of oil is a LOT of oil...it will build up in the intercooler and come out on full boost as a big slug of oil possibly locking the engine up.

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Ahh that Fiat 7 Zap site is exactly the kind of thing I've been looking for. Thanks so much for sharing 👍🏻

[@themadcoachman]

Check out Love 500 on you Tube , what he dosent know about 500s and fixing them would fit on a stamp , He does give advice if you ask him

[@bigkev8949]

Be a shame to change the low mileage engine if it turns out, it`s just the turbo. Get the turbo checked first.

[@bsdjunkie1805]

You can't find a manual because it's a disposable engine and not designed to be worked on, as soon as you loosen the head bolts it's trash due to being torqued by a robot with lots of arms.

[@garydod6212]

Get that turbo checked, I think that's what starved the engine of oil. Good luck and remember the sun cream! ...And get some Ed China's!! (your Mr's wont want you to touch her with "those hands" ) Gloves are like that 36mm socket, not all the same and you need different ones for different jobs, just find the ones that work for you

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

I’ve got some Muc-Off Mechanics gloves on the way, so will give them a try. My problem with latex gloves is that they last one minute because I’m constantly lowering and raising myself off the tarmac, so they’re tearing straight away.

[@MartinRusnak]

You can borrow some tools at a some mechanics for a fee.

[@ezequielgueu8464]

I would help you for fun if I live just a bit closer... but unfortunately I am in US.....🤔

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Just a short plane journey 😂😅✈️

[@kamalpatel3228]

So that’s a two stroke engine.

[@biancarosella9026]

And why didnt you buy your new engine from motor parts direct

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Because I was worried it might be you that turned up to deliver it

[@jjc5274]

You’ve got that wrong

[@johannmendelsohn6365]

I think you’re kidding yourself that you’ll get that driveway ever cleaned up! Why not lay a tarpaulin down beforehand? It’s so much nicer to work in a nice and clean environment than in such a bloody mess!

[@Dearjohn999]

Why don’t you do a basic mechanics course or try and get some work experience with a garage so you do have an idea at what your looking at sorry…..not just google things prob save you loads of time and be more helpful 👍