Worried I’ve bought the WRONG replacement TwinAir engine

I'm a little bit worried that I may have bought the wrong replacement engine for my Fiat 500 TwinAir.
I'm starting to notice that quite a lot of the parts of different, such as the intake manifold, the PCV system, and the idler pulley setup.
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[@otacon4065]

love how humble and genuine you are mate, literally watching all your vids from the start. props to you fella!

[@Stahd2012]

Me too

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Appreciate that 🙌🏻

[@halanielf]

same here😁

[@steve210sa]

One of your videos popped up on my feed so I started watching and I LOVE it!! I'm a subscriber of channels like VGG, Pole Barn Garage, NoNonsenseKnowHow and Junkyard Digs...... All of which are from the States. Your the 1st European car channel I've subscribed to only because I didn't think I'd like a British channel, guess I was wrong.

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Great to have you on board 👍🏻

[@damienoneill4355]

"Hands on" really is the best way to learn. And you are learning fast fella 😎

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Cheers bud 👍🏻

[@Parknest]

You are doing the right thing by swapping over the ancillaries. You've seen the changes in just a couple of years between the engines. I would fit a new clutch because it is easier to do with the engine out of the car, it shouldn't cost all that much more, it will be peace of mind for the next owner (you're thinking of selling the car), and you can ask for a bit more when you do sell it.

[@derekgb3780]

Could well be ancillary charges to comply with the change from Euro 4 to Euro 5 emission regulations (1 January 2011)

[@stumac869]

A lot of electronic engine devices are coded so probably best stick to the original components so there's no issues with the ECU not recognising them.

[@charliegreene8301]

Great viewing mate. Love the 'can do' approach with no frills. Watching keenly from Melbourne.

[@flapsfalkland5181]

And here is the next one 🤣🤣 you come across really well on video! Looking forward to the refit 😁

[@richardnutbeam1988]

Olny just found your channel and respect to you i lov the video's and the work ur doing i also do all my own jobs on my cars good luck to you and keep up the good work look forward to seeing you finish the fiat 500

[@rickydub6950]

Nice vid again man, plenty of thinking ahead 😎 as others have said, new clutch definitely a no brainer given how far you are into it 👍

[@paultaylor9652]

Lovely Jubbly, bit far to travel from the NW of England. Great video again, have a good day at the event.

[@Joe-ze4vg]

still loving the channel, watching all way through chrnologically.I manage my personal vehicles so this all incredible for me to watch. I subscribed and like each one Keep going mate👍

[@smithiestrackmini]

Hey Nino, Another good video. Look forward to your videos, great job 👍 Smithie.

[@seshelbow336]

Metric bolts on cars over M6 are generally a finer pitch thread. The hardest part about changing an engine is deciding to give it a go. Good on ya 👍🏻

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Cheers, Ben. I didn't know that about the bolts. When I did the Mini they were M12 but had a coarse thread, so that's what confused me

[@neilaaitchison4473]

Can wait see new engine in and running.

[@ksouster6839]

Nino it looks to me like FIAT did ‘cost down’ process. So things that were initially metal have been changed to plastic - cheaper and connections/controls removed that aren’t needed. Very common 👍

[@williammatthews9131]

Looking good on engine change👍at moment you got old engine with hopefully the fiat different thread pitch bolts somewhere on it for crane....try the engine mount bolts? Not sure about the fiat twin air engine but on vw's they don't like the butterfly in throttle body being moved when cleaning(need resetting sometimes) agree with clutch change comments, if its on the bench/grass in your case, change it...nice to see you are building confidence up,remember....it's just a collection of bits and bolts/screws......and re your comments on audi r6 ....recently watched a video on someone doing timing chains on one......frightening😳complexity and sheer cost....full engine out...big beast of a thing, 10k upwards!!. Good luck again. Bill

[@garydod6212]

Yay Gloves!! Good job well done, looks like you're doing the right thing but think about doing the clutch - even from a sales point of view New Turbo, New Clutch,New Cam belt - Arn't those the things that would make you spend a little more on the car, knowing your not going to have to do them? ( and breaks) most likely to be going to someones first car? Maybe Mum & Dad will be buying? Maybe?? - worth a thought

[@anthonyhawkins9239]

New clutch would make a good selling point ? And I will say hello 👋 at Bicester 👍, I will be the angry looking one 🤓 !

[@marklillywhite4099]

keep up the good work mate

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Cheers Mark 👍🏻

[@worldhello1234]

@0:11 Yes, there is the "penny pincher" twinair and there is the "beats even the bigger engine in terms of performance and fuel consumption" twinair. Funny enough, there is next to no difference in terms of fuel consumption to the "penny pincher" twinair.

[@philmoore71]

again in that carport.... wow. If I understand your patio area right, i'd make a gate on that far fence. very impressive as i binge your work

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Thanks, Phil. Unfortunately, it’s a rented house otherwise I’d have made all manner of adjustments haha

[@jayash6108]

Replace the clutch regardless, far easier when in the position your in rather than doing it on the car

[@markmawson1]

There's normally a hole in the bellhousing and a hole in the back of the flywheel that the holes marry up and the locking tool slots into them to lock the flywheel the hole in the bellhousing could be under a plug or just a random bolt that unscrews easy enough to find out just look on the back of the flywheel to see if there is a blind hole drilled into it.

[@richiec9077]

That's right mate there's a little slot cut out on the bell housing for that pin to go in

[@vspencer9764]

I love how Panther helps out and gets in the videos so is he paid in Dreamies.. I’ve got to do a water pump plus an crank position sensor and this evening a window regulator now the window is stuck in the down position on one of my old fleet. Whenever I get the tools out my two kittens are on top of the engine bay and my neighbours two cats across the road come and help and one of them lost my 10mm by knocking it off the cam cover lol.

[@philtowle4683]

Everyone loses the 10mm don't blame the kittys.

[@vspencer9764]

@@philtowle4683 😂😂😂😂 and the 10mm is never seen again… I wonder if there’s a scrapyard somewhere that has a mountain of discarded 10mm sockets.

[@HCrawf]

Understand your position re clutch but I would think about replacing - as others have said it’s an excellent selling point, plus you’ve dropped it in oil, plus it’s 10x easier with engine out, plus it can’t be mega expensive for an engine that small, surely? Shame I’m oop north otherwise I’d pop along tomorrow. If you’re ever in Manchester give us a shout! EDIT: scratch that, £170 from Eurocarparts...but still, think about replacing

[@chrisktm2010]

The main block and head assembly will most probably be the same. Swap all your ancillary parts on to the new engine that way it should all connect up as it should.

[@user-te1le7ck6b]

Mate your a trooper can’t believe the have a go attitude you have , if you haven’t already check out Paul from love500 , I was about to tell you off for using some things from old engine but you sussed it with turbo , I’d stick a new water pump and oil pump if it uses it for peace of mind given the priors. Good job pal

[@jamespn]

I’d change the clutch and the engine rear main seal and cam seal too.

[@picassomooon]

This is great.

[@GoWstingray]

Looking good mate, shit 4:30pm get the camera off and garden cleaned before the misses gets home 😝😂🤣

[@GeorgeAusters]

Do you not have any hardware shops or fixing shops nearby? Those bolts would only be pence from a shop

[@chrisktm2010]

You normally lock the flywheel up with a pin pushed though on he pulley side of the engine. Normally the same hole used to hold the crank whilst doing he cam timing

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Nice one - will give that a go when I reassemble everything properly 👍🏻

[@chrisktm2010]

You can see the hole at 20.02

[@flowseasgarage592]

Hello i have a twinair engine also i want to clean the throttle body as i thought the oil going to my intake. Is that easy to remove from the engine?

[@deps314]

The manual for this specific engine is literally unobtainable. I found a 3rd party manual for servicing but it's only in Italian. Nice video though! They definitely made more than an upgrade during the years.

[@maarten3103]

Where did you find it? Where can I get it?

[@raybarton9952]

The Twinair got a 105bhp available from the 85bhp that was originally released.

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Ahh nice one. Did that engine ever appear in the 500? Or was it mainly for Alfas and the bigger Fiats? 105bhp in a non-Abarth 500 would make it dreamy

[@pdtech4524]

There are 2 versions of the Twinair, an 85bhp most common and a 105bhp version, more common in the Fiat 500 range, which does have a different intake manifold, amongst other changes. Also there are Twinairs in other makes and models such as the Alfa Romeo Mito, which might have different ancillaries etc.

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

Gotcha. I think I've got some other differences where the car is a Pop and doesn't have AC, so the aux belt is a lot shorter and the bracket doesn't need to hold as many ancillaries

[@pdtech4524]

@@NotEconomicallyViable Interesting yours are both 85bhp units but have several differences like inlet manifolds and ancillarys etc There's maybe an earlier and later version and like you say one of yours is without aircon. Mine has aircon but you can literally feel it sap the power so I rarely use it! ⚠️😳😁

[@branislavb9907]

Does anyone have any information on how heavy this engine is? I found it weighs about 85 kg but I don't know if that is with or without the gearbox?

[@chrispop99]

I would never, ever put an old clutch back. You can't evaluate the life of the pressure plate, or the springs in the friction plate. The last time it was replaced, perhaps the release bearing wasn't replaced, and will fail soon. A clutch kit will be sub-£100; do you want to risk pulling it to bits again for that?

[@chrispop99]

Often the difference between engines with different power outputs is only the mapping.

[@beany1987]

Helppp if you can, where is the crank sensor on theese engines literally cant find any info or diagrams on it at all!!!

[@aslandama]

The clutch is a serious dilemma I'm sure when it looks so good. The friction plate might look little worn but how do you know how good the pressure plate is from just looking at it. I would change it all if it was me. Your engine transport was impressive though, I never did anything like that ever!!!!

[@NotEconomicallyViable]

You're right - and it won't cost much to replace, so I might as well just do it! The engine transport was stressful haha

[@andrebons8711]

7:14 What a machine... this Guy ist 😅

[@daxxr2532]

Don't waste your money on a new clutch, nothing wrong with that one.

[@philtowle4683]

Fiat's and alfas are always a nightmare for parts compatibility. I have bought many parts that say they won't fit and they do.

[@billcunningham8485]

Hey Nino - first of all - does your lovely fiancé watch these videos? If yes, you may want to keep the car parts off the garden furniture. You might get "the look". It is the same look I got from my wife when she saw me deep cleaning interior parts (center console) of one of my Mini R53 in our kitchen sink. I will tell you that look from your loved one bruises the soul. Secondly - at 17:25 you mention that (paraphrasing here) KZbin is a lopsided relationship. One thing that some US based just starting out KZbinrs have done to bridge this gap is establish a "closed" or member only FaceBook Group for the KZbin channel. My experience is more interaction between the publisher (you) and viewers. With FB it is possible to see more about the viewers if they are active on social media. I would also suggest adding an Instagram account separate from your personal account but link to that FB group so posts appear in both places - saving some duplication effort. The other upside of the FB Group is it another venue / avenue to promote the publishing of the videos and the ability to post images and short video clips along the way to just the member group each week. The downside - you have to manage a FB group - which is a bit like going to the dentist - daily. Often not awful but there a a dozen places you would rather be... Just a thought.

[@neilpoulton.2052]

hiya mate if you go back on youtube and put in salvage rebuilds UK and look throughout there catalogue of videos they have done quite a lot of fiat 500's in the past it maybe some help

[@markbear9177]

Manfold will fit new engine

[@lliambunter]

I like watching your videos .but that music isn't necessary surely ?

[@GhostV8]

Clutches aren’t worth a whole lot get one from euros usually around 140 Ish.

[@GeorgeAusters]

Just use the new bare block and install the old intake, exhaust etc onto it. Also install a new clutch pack.. Won't be much for that engine!

[@TheJonno1968]

Wish I knew you mate cause I can’t find a garage to install a salvage engine fire me in my 500 twin air. I can’t afford £2495 exc vat I’ve been quoted for my car. If anyone knows anyone please do let me know.

[@Alexander_l322]

I could collect and install the engine for you., won’t cost you much Where are you located?

[@TheJonno1968]

I’m Portland, Dorset

[@TheJonno1968]

@@flippingcarsrepairs I think that’s quite far away isn’t it? 😆

[@TheJonno1968]

It’s doable I guess. I’m skint anyway even if u were next door ☹️

[@adampotter5763]

Massive false economy not changing the clutch while your in there, you could very well end up doing the job twice. 😀👍

[@peterfox6256]

Yes just dress the new engine with the parts from the old one , bare engine will be the same

[@francescosantangelo6614]

In italy this motor is a shit more problems fiat to be continue with 1200 69 cv fire evo a motor very old and slow

[@23664gray]

UNF

[@steventhomson7531]

Everyone is saying "just replace the clutch while you're there" 🙄 in an ideal world where money is no object it's a great idea. But in the real world where a new clutch will make zero difference to the end value, what's the point?