Nothing is a REAL competitor now - Nothing Phone (2)

[@thequest6072]

Oddly enough, software support is becoming more and more important to me compared to hardware features in what phone I go with.

[@Hannwes]

For the last few years, a top of the line phone had hardware that would be sufficient for like 10+ years, so that isn't very odd.

[@Zhinarkos]

This will probably become more and more of a focus for people because of the performance that even (some) cheap phones have. Sure there's overhead in software and if you want to play games with nice framerates and still have battery life left afterwards you need both good specs and a large battery. But the industry is starting to be saturated to such an extent these days with devices of similar specs and looks that it is no wonder that people are starting to look to software for their particular tastes. And not just big things like is it stock or custom android or iOS but like Marques said about the Asus phone's customizability, it's the little things in customizing the experience to your liking that define the product experience for people.

[@UnitedHornet]

Exactly whybim upgrading my S9+ other than buggy issues and the battery. Feel like I would've kept it longer though if it got 4 years of updates rather than just 2.

[@EpiclyGamer]

That's honestly a reassuring statement, from the other replies people are coming to terms that hardware is kinda slowing down or at least reaching a point where mid to maybe low-end devices are more than optimal, especially for users that don't need a powerhouse of a phone, laptop, etc. It's reassuring because I have to worry less about whether the phone will be of acceptable quality and focus on the software, which gives an idea of the maker. If the software has been given thought into its development then shows me what kind of support I may get, and the type of innovation my money is going to.

[@Handl3sAreStupid]

That's not odd. That just means you're an informed consumer. Top 1%, I'd guess.

[@tobyroberts6571]

Would love to see a section on repairability on phone reviews going forwards. Even if it's just "there isn't any". Would send a message to manufacturers that it's something that consumers want, and it's important to me for the longevity of the phone

[@ARZSZN]

Great idea! How easy is it to replace the battery should be the biggest point.

[@joepapi619]

no point when its bricked in 4 years

[@ARZSZN]

@@joepapi619 ability to flash ROMs could be added as part of the repairability section

[@sembalo1776]

Absolutely

[@Swarming1020]

Is it something consumers want? Or something a small but vocal minority want? Just asking.

[@Eli-zb2yj]

Imagine that there is nothing in the box

[@shoesman728]

And you can't sue them bc you ordered nothing

[@lucasurquiza554]

There is Nothing in the box, and if you take it out, there’s nothing in the box.

[@neoRen1]

Quantum mechanics 🤯

[@Rsonny]

Haha how original

[@DreAdeDcoRpSE]

I love my Nothing Phone 1, and the updates that have been coming out have improved on it. It was a bit harder to get here in the states, but was worth it. It was a massive upgrade from my old G5.

[@erufenrito66]

Yeah same. I've had my 1 for a bit over a year, and it is still going strong. Cosndering getting a 2 just because I like the brand, not because the phone needs replacing.

[@DreAdeDcoRpSE]

@@erufenrito66 I got my Nothing Phone (1) a couple of months before (2) came out. I will probably hold out for the next generation, but I do wish I held out getting the Nothing Phone (1) as I didn't know that (2) would be released when it did.

[@Sazoji]

this is the same design aesthetic as what the oneplusX was trying to carve out, I loved that phone. if they made a nothing phone mini I would pick it up in a heartbeat.

[@CasualG-mer]

Nothing Phone 1 = a good mid-ranger Nothing Phone 2 = a good near-flagship The Nothing Phone 2 kinda sits between the Pixel 7 and S23. In my area , the Pixel 7 is $700, S23 is $800 while Nothing Phone 2 is $600, count in the much faster processor and LTPO screen...you know which one I'm gonna get, got more hooked with the software though, I'm gonna cover the glyph with a case lmao.

[@EdgyShooter]

You can get cases with specific clear sections for the glyphs! So you can have a coloured case and the lights (Source: I just bought this phone for a friend, they ended up getting a clear case though as they're going to make into an aperture science phone)

[@artiumromanov9798]

Super duper happy to see ShortCircuit unboxing the 2nd Nothing Phone after seeing its announcement on TechLinked. My Note 10 Lite is still a reliable trusty ol thing but I wouldn't mind upgrading and LTT is exactly the type of perspective I need to help me decide. Also finally ordered a Northern Lights desk pad after drooling over the amazing design for more than a year, thanks Lime day!

[@eyeco2]

seems a great phone at good price, nice to see options in the phone space.

[@creaturecore13]

No phone missing a sd slot is a great phone

[@eyeco2]

@@creaturecore13 agreed, the option of local storage is the best option. But this seems to becoming more rare by design or function of cloud storage. we could argue the merits of both but convenience seems to win in the consumer space. An unfortunate truth, but your comment has truth and merit.

[@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks]

so as someone that's created his own ring tones... and alert messages... that sound amazing to be able to do that!!!.

[@enderduck4253]

Little surprised to hear that you didn't like the phone 1. I got it about a month ago and am really happy with it. I don't game or do anything particularly intense on my phone, so the performance is more than enough for me. Favourite thing though, is the OS. Stock android experience with a few widgets and graphical changes from Nothing. I love the complete lack of bloatware and the continued software support. A couple of updates before I bought it also massively increased the battery life, so with my usual usage, I go about 2 days without charging it. The glyphs are a bit of a gimmick to me, but I expect to use them a bit more once OS 2 is released for the phone 1.

[@sammy_1178]

feel the same, glyphs are a gimmick but idk it's just cool af, and people come up to me all the time just asking me about my phone lmao, sometimes form over function is okay imo

[@mmouser]

Agreed. There were a few bugs when I got it, but since then it's been running smoothly. It doesn't have the performance of a flagship, but for day-to-day tasks it's only slightly noticeable. Cell service is good on T-Mobile as well. It's been a good buy for the $300 I paid for the USA "beta" program

[@Shauryaaya]

exactly, I got mine for $315 because of bank offers for the 12gb in white version, super happy with how it turned out, was using a pixel 6a before, this seemed like a wayy better device

[@enderduck4253]

@@Shauryaaya oh cool, that's a really good deal. I got the 8gb version for about the same price. Afaik, the only benefit of the Pixel 6a over the Phone 1 is its camera, but I find the camera more than usable.

[@Shauryaaya]

@@enderduck4253 I actually love using pro mode and found the lack of it in the pixel 6a, I found nothing phone 1 to be a no brainer and went for it lol

[@TechDove]

No one: My inbox: NOTHING PHONE 2

[@saberpeep]

Rich people be like "I returned the phone because it didn't cost enough"

[@necrojoe]

Honest question: Why would availability, if you already have the phone, be a detriment to the ownership/use experience?

[@radovanobal3842]

I have a nothing phone 1 and it is great. Much better experience that my last samsung phone that had to be returned 2 times for hardware issues that even after I got it back from repair never really went away. All in all, love it.

[@Artista_Frustrado]

ok but that Something laptop skin looks gorgeous, amazing work Dbrand

[@MindstabThrull]

PS: It's 1 Hertz, not 1 Hert as people like to call it. It's named after the German physicist Heinrich Hertz, and thus the Z is part of the word. My last phone (which I just upgraded less than a week ago) was the LG ThinQ G7 and it had a fingerprint reader on the back by the cameras. I really enjoyed that. I have the Samsung S23 Ultra now with the screen fingerprint reader and thus far I prefer the reader at the back. Then again, I used the G7 for like, four or five years. It's always been hard trying to find something to upgrade to because the specs on the G7 were really strong, and most even high-end phones I found were only slightly better spec-wise compared to the G7 (like it had the same memory but a bit more storage, or the processor was just barely more powerful than what I already had, etc). If I didn't already have the LG, I would have been very interested in this phone.

[@jdally9872]

I so wish LG still made phones, I got used to the rear fingerprint sensor on the V30 and the phones I've had since then don't even hold a candle to its convenience

[@MindstabThrull]

@@jdally9872 Yeah.. rear fingerprint sensor is so much nicer IMO than doing it midscreen. If nothing else, you know exactly where to put your finger to be scanned, whereas on the front screen there's no indication until you hit the power button first.

[@JohnDoe-wq5eu]

This seems very cool I have to admit that it is a considerable bump from $399 to $599 (to start) but you definitely get what you pay for and nothing seems to be very good on the support side of things. All in all I definitely do feel compelled to at least check it out.

[@bilowik123]

It’s a neat concept but I can honestly barely remember what the back of my case looks like bc I always set my phone down face up so when I get a notification I can see what it is. I just don’t see the advantages here. Anything the back of the phone can do the front can also do but with more info and context. Maybe in not as exciting and interesting way but functionally, I just can’t see anything past the novelty of the glyphs. And getting something bc it’s novel isn’t always a bad thing, of course. Like I’m still really considering picking one up.

[@itzHaze]

16:20 fun fact as a phone 1 user the glyph lights help get the attention of kids to look at the phone

[@Mulakulu]

11:14 three and a half seconds? That says 367 ms which is 0.367s. Those aren't cs. I'd be concerned if it takes a phone 3.5 seconds to open a browser nowadays

[@MANGOM1LK]

dolphin as a labs workload is very fun to see - i wonder if they will end up trying any later release titles like sonic colors

[@prnva_]

Was hoping Linus would cover this like he covers many important phone launches

[@LautaroQ2812]

This is the calmest angriest man I've ever heard! 🤣 "I RETURNED IT AFTER SOME DAYS". Loved the hosting. One thing to note however, you made a mistake on AOD. Always on Display is the feature where your screen is OFF and you can see information. If you have to tap to turn it on to see it, is not AOD. It's just widgets on a lockscreen. If what you showed here, COULD be set as AOD elements then that is fantastic. But if not, it's just a waste. For example, I have a Galaxy A22 and my AOD setting is set to "only show notifications". So if there are notifications, AOD will be active, but if not it won't.

[@srijitofficial]

Being an user of nothing phone 2 I can absolutely say that I Nothing Phone experience just outstanding! It has outstanding community support, great -complete camera experience, great video quality, and one of the best Android experience ever (NOTHING OS), AND THE GLIPHS ALSO LOOK COOL TOO!.... I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT LINUS ONCE TRIES TO USE THE NOTHING PHONE 2 FOR A MONTH! AND SHARE HIS EXPERIENCE! HE MIGHT START USING THE PHONE AS A DAILY DRIVER BECAUSE IT'S SO GOOD! 😄😄💫😄👌

[@ConfusedRaccoon]

I got the debrand tough case with a Teardown skin, and the rubbery outer layer of the case has started peeling off :(

[@dinolukac974]

Hey guys, 1 second is actually 1000 milliseconds, not 100 milliseconds 😂

[@viziroth]

I put my phone face down all the time, but I also use opaque cases on my phones so the glyphs are kinda pointless from the outset.

[@Jthall1990]

Glyphs are definitely a gimmick. It just makes the phone look different/cool.

[@michaseitz6324]

"One Hert" 😂

[@Zac-pj3tc]

What is the streets test time unit? Hours or minutes 😬

[@untitled9041]

I don't know how you conduct your lab tests, but on my Phone 1 Chrome loads cold a lot faster than in your chart and also the screen time is longer.

[@CosmicGalaxyMC]

I want one but i think ill wait for better cameras and screen resolution. I am watching videos CONSTANTLY so resolution and refresh rate matters to me. Ill think about the phone 2 but will be really interested to see what they do next

[@goingrandom3558]

Wouldn't it be better to compare the battery-life on a given brightness? Like all screens should be at least 300 nits and not only 50% of the max-brightness. It would make a better comparison

[@raulgalets]

nothing can be better than this

[@timbrushaber856]

I think you were too rough on the Nothing Phone 1. As someone that has daily driven the original since launch, it's a perfectly balanced phone for someone that doesn't play games

[@jaziliynn]

Fr idk why he was complaining about middling performance for a 400 dollar phone

[@jasons4045]

Day 10 with my NP2, the speaker is horrendous. It cracks at even 50-60%. Nothing took away STEREO sound as well after the latest update due to inconsistent audio across different apps.

[@eldafint]

Try restarting it. I had some absolutely horrible audio issues when I first got mine. Terrible bass response and stereo separation. I restarted it as a last ditch effort and now it sounds great imo.

[@jasons4045]

@@eldafint nah. It's still the same on 2.0.2

[@eldafint]

@@jasons4045 Bummer 😕

[@SashimiSteak]

It's 2023 and we can finally get something for nothing.

[@82496125]

Maybe later you can sell it, and get money for nothing. Dire Staits it.

[@AarPlays]

Nothing needs to mirrior the glyph functions to the always on display based on the sensor that can tell if the phone is up to your head. If the sensor detects the phone is face down then dont add the glyph to the display, if it doesn't then mirror the glyphs to display. That would solve not being able to see them

[@pkt1213]

I always put my phone face down. I have it in a case and the lip does a good job keeping it in place when it starts vibrating. It also reduces my urge to look at it. 🤷‍♂️

[@17pdietcoke59]

for battery life tests, you should use nits and not brightness % because people will use the same nits but not same % and different phones have different brightness

[@shayanthis]

Less about the phone and more about the Puppy Therapy Booth

[@portalwalker_]

11:15 That's not 3 seconds but 367ms (0.36s). Three seconds to launch chrome would be really bad

[@BramVanroy]

I'm sorry, did you say "going down to one Hert"? 😂

[@hanspeter9636]

15:20 Am i the only one that sees the selfie video stuttering like hell?

[@niklaskoskinen123]

1 hertz is still hertz.

[@unlokia]

Exactly. The unit "Hertz" was discovered by Heinrich Hertz, the German physicist. One doesn't alter his name just because the cycle count is one. 😂

[@Hikari-sai]

no charging cable nowadadys? they do stick to 'nothing' phone. Think i'll stick with that zenphone 10 that has a charger and a audio jack

[@dxvout]

The nothing phone 2 isn’t budget anymore so those of you who want to show off and have great performance can actually help improve the market by backing nothing too now (pun intended)

[@DOSeater]

Nothing is going to go the exact same way OnePlus went

[@chayze3009]

What's that Nothing Crazy app he mentions at 6:30?

[@Zubbbz]

Esim seems like a great idea but I wasn't able to find a way to activate a new phone on t-mobile with it. Had to go in store to do it

[@AU-hs6zw]

I always keep my phone screen down?

[@BorisCodes]

Am I the only one that puts my phone face down more often than face up

[@Goodsdogs]

Keep having Bell do these videos, product reviews starting to hit products we care about.

[@Sabroe_ffs]

If they made a smaller phone I'd definitely give them a shot

[@racistpandagod]

yeah i have the nothing phone 1 and had a oneplus 6t before it and my only gripe with the phone 1 is its breadth. if it was maybe 5-6 mm shorter on that side id have zero issues; it'd be perfect for one handed use atleast for me. the hard flat edges of the phone are something ive gotten used to but glad theyve gone with a rounded smooth shape for the 2.

[@TheChiraagG]

I got the Zenfone 10 due to the size and decent battery plus the UI which works well for me as I was a fan of OxygenOS before it got ColorOSed. The Nothing 2 looks decent though with performance and battery life and some funk on the UI that I could probably grow to love. There's also less compromise in the camera setup vs. the Zenfone 10, but it's the size I'm really enjoying on the Zenfone. Ironically I thought it would be my massive consumption of KZbin I would miss my OnePlus 7T Pro for because that had a larger screen with no punch-hole or notch, but the Zenfone isn't as compromised in that regard as I was concerned about. I barely notice the punch-hole, even with the ridiculous shiny ring in it, and the size hasn't impacted my viewing enjoyment in any major way (in fact, the lack of brightness vs. modern flagships is probably more of a concern, but I live in the UK and even though it's in the middle of summer, it's grey out!). What has impacted me the most about the size of the Zenfone is having to relearn muscle memory I've built since 2019 on the OnePlus, to start typing one handed again more, and adjust to where the keys are on this smaller device. I could increase my keyboard size more but then it eats into the rest of the screen's real estate, so I'd rather relearn. I think it will be worth it. The only other thing I would say is that the OnePlus 7T Pro's display was bonded at the midframe, so had almost silent taps. The Zenfone is noisier and not enough reviewers talk about this. It's not quite as egregious as the Pixel range which sounds ridiculously hollow and loud when tapping, but more manufacturers should focus on this one thing because the loud, hollow taps do make it feel less premium in my opinion. And if you're typing in bed when your light-sleeping partner is trying to get some shut-eye, that silent tap is a boon.

[@spike5499]

Do you tap the screen with your nails 😂

[@TheChiraagG]

@@spike5499 no but it really is noticeable on the Pixel even tapping with thumb flesh lol. The Zenfone is nowhere near as bad, but the Oneplus 7T Pro was glorious.

[@spike5499]

@@TheChiraagG that's interesting, I upgraded from the s9 to the s20 and I never noticed tapping sounds on either of those phones. But as I'm using my s20 rn it's completely silent unless my nail hits the screen. Although I think I remember quiet tapping sounds on my s9. Anyways what youtubers mention tapping sounds because I'd love to watch reviews with that level of detail lol

[@RKBock]

the faded colours were already a huge problem for me on the op6t.. :( i am about to upgrade after 5 years and really hoped that the nothing phone would be better.

[@var128]

Wow, Adam was savage in this video 😅😱 13:42

[@StaySic4Ever]

I was actually interested in the first one as cheaper alternative vs flagships, but retail price in my country vs ordering on their website was way more, so bad. So even on top of that the chip in that range was meh really vs other options and also lack of software support. This one overall a decent improvement, obviously higher price. Still, I expect them to offer longer OS support, it's still lacking especially as a company to differentiate in more enthusiast crowd, the more gimmicky side I don't care.

[@neuro3423]

I'm still happy with what I have for another year or 2 but I've seen things about both versions of this phone and I hope theirs a new one when I do revamp

[@10throwfilms]

I put my phone face down all the time. But I have a case that keeps the screen from touching the surface it's sitting on.

[@RKBock]

11:18 "with three and a half seconds" sorry... the chart shows, thankfully, only 1/10th of the time.... 3 seconds would be brutal in today's age.

[@minetech4898]

No 3.5mm or SD card slot. :/ The search continues for me.

[@FayezButts]

Zenfone 10, easy edit: or a Sony phone

[@saeric]

Same, currently using a Sony xperia 1 II. But the battery life isn't great and I'm not that in to the tall format of the phone.

[@saeric]

​@@FayezButtsI've looked at it, but I prefer a larger phone. Any other suggestions?

[@FayezButts]

@@saeric It's kind of a goofy gamer phone but the ASUS ROG Phone 6?

[@_narmi_]

Bro has the voice to bring me to sleep

[@rednalewC]

I don't get the hate for nothing 1. Everyone seems disappointed with it. I'm on like month 8 of mine and I'm very happy. I used to buy the flagship phones but I really don't get why after my time with nothing (1). It's fast, I don't play games on it tho, other than streaming gamepass. the battery still holds 1-2 days. The camera isn't the best but, it costs like half of a current Samsung galaxy or iPhone so I guess I get what I pay for. Altho, not a fan of glyph, thankfully I can disable it.

[@hoogovens3261]

I know it isn't Nothing exclusive, but Dbrand needs to incorporate the phrase "something for nothing" for those skins in some way.

[@nemis123]

The theme is a little 90s/00s tech vibes.

[@Frey_64]

SP 8+ gen 1 for the price of gen 2.

[@Jthall1990]

Crazy right! $200 too much!

[@mustafayazlmc3973]

I need this phone because this is for people how love Software Developer

[@Klarden]

Zen mode is out of fashion, every phone needs Dan mode

[@MrCharlieCupcakes]

I have a nothing phone 1 there's some bugs but what phone doesn't, the glyphs are a gimmick but nice to have only wish they allowed you to customise the lights like the nothing phone 2. All in all I like the phone nothing bad to say about it plus it's cheap but feels expensive.

[@enderduck4253]

We probably will get more customisation with the glyphs soon. Nothing OS 2 is coming to the phone 1 towards the end of August.

[@MrCharlieCupcakes]

@@enderduck4253 I hope so didn't want to have to put a custom ROM on as I like nothing os.

[@enderduck4253]

@@MrCharlieCupcakes os 2 coming to the phone 1 is already confirmed. I don't think software support will be a problem for at least a few more years, by which time I'll probably upgrade.

[@ChronoXShadow]

This should have been their first phone.

[@AlasdairGR]

7:09 Praise be to Dan!

[@noredine]

"with a great design and availability coming to a country near you" What a roast

Priced new: "Middling performance". Used for less than half the price: "This runs so well!" I for the life of me don't know what people use the flagship chips for.

[@SkylerB17]

i really wanted the Phone 1 but couldnt get it in NA. Now that my galaxy A71 has shit the bed im looking to upgrade. This may just be the one for me.

[@AaronShenghao]

The nothing 2 already ditching what OnePlus used to be… price hike is real…at those price I probably would still go with more mainstream options for easier to find accessories

[@malcewicz]

OnePlus 5T launched at $560 for the 128GB version in 2017? Adjusted for inflation that's $700 today. How is $599 now ditching what OnePlus used to be? That's some bullsh excuse

[@rustler08]

​@@malcewiczYou're forgetting one major point: the OnePlus was supposed to be a flagship killer at $560. The 10 Pro was the equivalent of that, and it was $869. Also, you're quoting sales prices. It's $700-800 MSRP for the 11 5G, and only the 16GB $800 model could even begin to compare to the S23 Ultra.

[@sanderfurevik2207]

Okay, this is me not having watched more that 30 seconds of this video, so it might be a bit off, but i need to get this out before i forget. You were disappointed of the middling performance of a cheap budget phone that used a last gen SOC? If you were hyped for performance and "Got burnt" then that is solely your own fault. There is nothing to blame the Phone (1) for here.

[@riko.4174]

I really do miss the S23 Ultra in charts...

[@jameslibby5215]

If I can flash something like caylxos or grapheneos and them relock the boot loader. I might switch. Anyone know?

[@arantes6]

Graphene is pixel-only. Not sure about calyxos

[@jameslibby5215]

@@arantes6 well they both are officially pixel only but its all open source. I'd be willing to compile grapheneos if I had to

[@arantes6]

@@jameslibby5215 i don't think it's just a question of compiling it. I believe graphene uses some pixel-specific hardware features. See their FAQ about why they are pixel only

[@genericscottishchannel1603]

how the fuck does the something skin look better than the teardown skin

[@studynowPH]

Gcam can make any camera great

[@TomT-bn1lm]

$1000 Canadian Dollars. Not swayed. Too many slightly used flagship phones for a lot less money. In Canada, this price competes directly with arguably better phones. If carriers offered it at discount, I can see it selling, but definitely less sales at full price.

[@emiliomarquez2163]

I really like the look of the phone but I don’t trust myself with a ceseless phone

[@AMLagonda]

Clear case?

[@hannez001]

It's not 1 Hert , it's 1 Hertz. It's Hertz, not Herts, so it's not a plural. Hert doesn't exist.

[@simonrockstream]

Im just happy they are making INTERESTING and FUN phones. Unlike everybody else with the same generic ugly designs and UI.

[@jamblesss]

1 hert got me dying

[@stapuft]

a device just IS NOT COMPLETE without a way to charge it, EVERY SINGLE DEVICE that requires to be charged, NEEDS to have ia charging brick, the things dont last forever, and not every device can chagre from every charger, some put out too much power, others put out too little.

[@TychoVan]

I love my phone 1 :) I dont really like how the 2 looks tho

[@Frieze_XD]

I personally don’t see the point of the white one, as the glyphs don’t really stick out as much

[@unvergebeneid]

Do they have an SD slot now?

[@arantes6]

Nop

[@unvergebeneid]

@@arantes6 shame. That's a show stopper for me.

[@shane_8796]

I really like this Phones looks a lot!

[@PogGamerMan]

Does ANYONE know if this phone supports external display out through it's Usb C port?

[@AhPook]

Too expensive, honestly. They're punching above their established market, and that's people who don't want flagship phones due to the caveats that come with them, and of course the unneeded price. It can't be a flagship killer if it's a flagship price.

[@new1412]

I kinda disagree. I think Carl Pei learned from Oneplus or even Xiaomi that you can't make the "enthusiastic phone" forever. At $500 - $700, it's still an acceptable price. I mean at this price range now you can't even buy a flagship phone even from enthusiastic brands without compromising the software, hardware or both. I think unless they still can't eliminate the issue of QC (both software and hardware) that plagued the first, Nothing could be a scary competitor to everyone.

[@LatencyProblem]

​@@new1412yeah nah it isnt.. the price is too high for what it is

[@new1412]

​@@LatencyProblemunless you can name a phone with decent software, 8 Gen 1 Plus and this kind of build quality (glass and metal), I think it's not too high.

[@AhPook]

@@new1412 The problem is there IS a market for those phones, if people wanted a flagship phone, they would buy a long established flagship phone. They wouldn't be trying something new like the Nothing Phone 2. We've reached a point where the pricing of phones is just out of control.

[@new1412]

​@@AhPookAgree with the latter part but again it doesn't mean it wouldn't sell. Like I said previously that there's no other brand nailed both software & hardware at this price range. Stock Android? Checked. Decent Build? Checked. Powerful chipset? Checked Not too small? Checked. Zenfone 10 is probably a phone that can rival this but that's like $200 more ($799) and similarly limited region available as the 1st gen Nothing. So this phone is basically a return of Oneplus all over again and I don't think even in the "established market" they bought the 1st gen and think it would stay at $400 forever.

[@djmim0]

Hi can You guys check out Honor Magic5 Pro? I would love to know your take on this phone. Thanks in advance if you choose so.

[@jaksamadera4421]

I think the price jump is too high , in matter of memory size prices is terriffying, it was 50 dollars and now is 150

[@PurpleKnightmare]

No microSD... Fail. I think that is a camera filter, in software, I wonder how a 3rd party camera like Manual Camera does.

[@rohanvarshney7903]

Does it work on Verizon?

[@Nyquil98]

Under screen fingerprint sensors are the worst trend since removing the headphone jack.

[@eldafint]

Why?

[@vivaanreddy8771]

@@eldafint they have no advantage over capacitive fingerprint sensors, and are less reliable then them

[@sandrahiltz]

The nothing gimmick phone 2, I would rather a notification light on the front instead of their gimmick glyphs only useable if you're a heathen and put your phone down screen down.

[@Jayroro]

3 years of updates makes this a non starter. Support your devices and I will be a lot more likely to buy them.

[@racistpandagod]

4 years of security updates and 3 years of os updates is on the higher side of software support.

[@alicia9290]

@@racistpandagod For Android it certainly isn't terrible, but it just doesn't compete with Apple's 5 years of new major iOS versions and 7 years of security updates on iPhones.

[@racistpandagod]

@@alicia9290 true but supporting just a dozen models or so while making the software and the hardware warrants that. If they didn't it'd be plain stupid. Would be nice to have that on android no doubt but as someone who upgrades every 3-4 years im OK with it.

[@epicgamer2670]

​@@alicia9290too bad your iphone isn't lasting 5 years so it literally doesn't matter

[@rolins3279]

​@@racistpandagodIn general, new versions of Android are released in September/October, for example, Android 13 in September 2022. In my opinion, any smartphone, which comes out after March/April and especially after June/July of the following year, there in 2023, and which promises 3 updates Android versions, say from 13 to 16, should have the legal obligation to correct this untruth, and mark 2 versions or at most 2 and half versions on his specs sheet. Because, releasing a smartphone in June/July with A13, 2-3 months before the new version of Android (A14), and counting this as already one of the promised Android update versions, is more than a scam. Ps: even if, it is true that it is more recurrent among Chinese manufacturers, all Android manufacturers are concerned, Samsung and Google with their A and Fold series.

[@misanthropicsophist]

mhm i realy like this guys voice

[@ashutoshthakur8118]

i thought Linus would address this

[@JimFeig]

i hate the power button ones. They simply don't work on my fingers.