NOVA: THE BIRTH - DEAN OF DOOM - S3E5

[@edemaomega]

Ahh NOVA, a project I'll always love, even with its frayed and unkempt edges. I whole-heartedly agree that its the worst NOVA of the lot, but I like that it is raw and approachable, showing other aspiring mappers that everyone has to start somewhere. It was also cool having the project helmed, playtested, and edited entirely by newbies, as it demonstrates how erratic quality control can be when nobody knows what the hell they're doing. We received (and accepted) the EvilNed maps in bulk when he dropped them on us, and we didn't say no to joe because *technically* he was a newbie, and E1 and E2 were overflowing with drab, unambitious techbases and yet we didn't bat an eye. It's the kind of stuff I wouldn't let fly as a community lead nowadays-and I'm glad this is still around to demonstrate why. I think playtesting Sewer City over and over was the decisive factor in limiting author contributions in NOVA 2 to 1-2 maps... and if I recall, before I took over for NOVA 2 it had like 3 joe maps in it! (I kept the best one in there to show people joe wasn't a completely lost cause.) A great review from start to finish Mt., was fun seeing maps I once knew like the back of my hand but haven't played in over half a decade. Lots of sharp and pithy comments that I couldn't help but smile at too (sorry joe). Was fun seeing how some of the maps you felt had tight provisions (MAP22 & MAP23) were those I had done extensive gameplay editing for; I guess I've always loathed an abundance of ammunition. Happy to see you enjoyed Exuviae but I'm even happier to hear your complements for Megiddo! It's long, bulky, and ugly, but I concur that the big behemoth is the star of the show. It provides such a neat, compact snapshot into each mapper's philosophy, whether it be mouldy's penchant for chaos or kildeth's focus on place first, gameplay second. (Lastly, Getsu's map is indeed showcased in my Megiddo portion-there's a small circular room with 4 packs of cell near the start that's taken from the green armor tower in MAP02. It's definitely the hardest of all the references to spot... a better idea would've been to just repaste the triangle toilets into a secret area and call it a day)

[@MtPain27]

I’m so glad you got to see this dobu! Loved reading your commentary here and in the text file, and of course your maps and leadership are consistently top notch. Here’s hoping I can convince you to come out of retirement for NOV4 so I can join it!

[@edemaomega]

@@MtPain27 A tantalizing prospect! NOVA 4 has always been a possibility in my back pocket, but I gotta finish my other commitments first (so I'll see you in 2052)

[@cyriak]

Wow, congrats on soldiering through this newbie megawad. I did still consider myself a noob at that point. I could make nice looking scenery, but I didn't have much of a clue about the gameplay side of things.

[@DoomKid]

Hey, aren’t you that guy with the videos?!

[@DinnerForkTongue]

@@DoomKid Yea, the dude whose horse wreaked dimension-scale havoc.

[@cyriak]

@@DoomKid i might have made a video or two

[@raymondbd21]

Your ability to learn is on point though. Going Down is a masterpiece.

[@adiveler]

@@raymondbd21 Yeah, he certainly went Overboard with that one!

[@_antares031]

"Nova: the Birth is designed to be created by new mappers." _mouldy joins the project_ *(heavy breathing)*

[@MtPain27]

Made me laugh :)

[@mrlucas9072]

AAA THE DELINQUENT RETURNS

[@uptown710]

Lmaooo I fucking love him 😂

[@joeilya]

Nice, I'm the first mapper to get two dunce caps! Quite an achievement. EDIT: I wonder what mtpain thinks of the tuned up version of MAP26 that was tuned up by dobu gabu maru and MAP21 that was tuned up by cannonball, as mtpain said the maps were unsalvageable.

[@scrawtv]

I personally thought beta base was cool until the open area with all the chain gunners 🤣. That was NOT cool

[@TVdinnermasterchef]

Hold my beer. (Boots up Ultimate Doom Builder)

[@DinnerForkTongue]

You mean there's a rerelease? (Also, no matter what he says, I _loved_ Meat Mincer in DBP37. It's rare to get a map so focused on speed and so wallrun-friendly.)

[@MtPain27]

Haha! You're a good sport.

[@cannonball1990]

Haha, license to Ilya - Still probably the best and worst community concept ever.

[@MrJohnReviews]

Poor Deliquent of Doom, he definitely needs a friend

[@Gebohq]

Maybe a Disciple of Doom? Dabbler of Doom? Docent of Doom?

[@basiloregano]

How about a dunce of doom lol

[@0x20pirate]

Free him!!! !!

[@jawsinspace]

Oh man it's been far too long since I've watched a Dean of Doom episode. Here I am finding a Nova episode 11 months late. I had a look through my personal notes & see that I made map 2 in a few hours on March 1, 2013. If I recall correctly the secret exterior battle was added several month's later near the release of the wad. Unfortunately I can really no longer remember any of my thoughts when designing the map, it was over 10 years ago after all. It's kinda crazy looking back to see how rapidly my mapping improved though, just think that just over 2 years after making this map I would be making map 5 of TNT: Revilution. Looking back at the wad as a whole I do have a big soft spot for it & this actually remains my favorite entry in the series. Playing through it reminds me of playing through those really oldschool wads like Evilution or Memento Mori.

[@cannonball1990]

Oh God….. I must commend you for playing through this. It certainly was rough around the edges. Map15 - This was the 4th map I ever made (Only two entries for Mayhem 2012 and one for DMP2012 came before this). I must have edited this several times during the development cycle and honestly was a bit of a mess. The only thing I am proud of is giving a fitting secret exit (Well the visual cue for the gem that is Map31). I actually remade this map back in 2018 for an 11 map episode called Demonic Deviation. Map18 - This was made much later in the develop cycle and as such is probably less clunky to play. Apparently I have a weird obsession with making power plant themed maps (Yet I work for a water company). The good thing I can say about this wad is that many of the mappers grew beyond this point, well except Dobu and Cyriak, they were always awesome.

[@MtPain27]

Re: MAP 15, that's damn good work for being so early in your career!

[@cannonball1990]

@@MtPain27 cheers, I guess in a way it did show how successful the project was because I was certainly a better mapper after this process (Though that involved a lot of harsh (but needed) criticism from other sources at the time). I see the mention of a Nova 4 in a couple of comments. I am not overly sure it will happen, the discord era has changed things a lot, especially with servers that help newbies like the James Paddock’s entryway server etc. still if it did happen then I would love to play test and give others a leg up, I regret not being there for most of the Nova 3 project timeline. I am glad you enjoyed some of the quirkier levels too, maps 22 and 23 were ones that impressed me for being a bit left field.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Monke brain sees utilities building, monke brain maps utilities building! No sweat, CB, your start ain't bad at all 😁 Those TNTR maps of yours definitely have pedigree.

[@DoomKid]

Poor ol’ Joe! His older maps are rough as guts - actually, a lot rougher than that even - but in recent times he’s become far better. His Jamal Jones map submission was among my favourites, he’s definitely the most improved mapper I know of, and I can relate to his journey of starting out making garbage, but also slowly but surely improving year after year. This looks like an excellent wad even despite its flaws.. and hell, those “flaws” honestly look pretty damn good to me at times. Maybe it’s just nostalgia for earlier times in mapping culture, but a lot of this goes against the grain in a good way, based on this video. Also, that map30 is definitely something special.. Thanks for the great episode and for putting this wad on my radar, MtPain! (Also, nice posters 😃)

[@DinnerForkTongue]

I _still_ say Joe was done dirty by MtPain in his AUGER;ZENITH review (missing the point of Meat Mincer as a speedrunning break from wide open exploration was a foul ball for me), but otherwise, well.

[@RoofiDoomChannel]

Honestly his maps look pretty fun in Nova. I think it's a kind of tribute to all the shovelware from the 90's and I got addicted by this kind of stuff through all my random adventures on idgames.

[@dustyrhodes429]

Definitely agree about this being a darn good wad! I always enjoy the noobie maps because a lot are really great, always very creative and inventive.

[@J0000OOOO]

His map in Interception II is also damned fun and creative.

[@thelippyserver58]

@@DinnerForkTongue Having only recently just played AZ, I'm inclined to agree with this. It's not very novel or particularly substantive, but I quite enjoyed Meat Mincer as a fun, brisk little jaunt and momentum builder.

[@AhoooY1]

The GANTLET is a running joke that will never get old. Love it

[@nathanbeets8229]

It gives me hope in humanity how much Joe Illia has improved. His Jamal Jones submission was a ton of fun, and atmospheric to boot. Great review, naturally.

[@nathanbeets8229]

also, 27:32. Bone-anza. ..... puntastic perfection.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

@@nathanbeets8229 The Professor liked Joe's contribution to Morbid Autumn a lot, FWIW.

[@enimapodofficial6618]

Commenting for algo bump because I'll prolly forget to watch until later. Your DoD videos are always a treat.

[@MrGRmask]

Good 'ol NOVA. Back when I considered speedrunning, that was one of the first custom wads I attempted. I still get back to it every now and then whenever I need to test some mods.

[@_tourniquet5429]

Welcome to the obscure world of classic Joe Ilya, though you've just scratched the surface ;p. Dobu,Cannonball & Mouldy were certainly the most prolific contributors of the first Nova. Here's hoping you'll check out, more of these guys works in the future.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

You know, you saying that about Joe fills me with actual dread.

[@MtPain27]

Absolutely: pretty sure all three of them will get exposure later in the season.

[@m1xxx3r]

@@MtPain27 *ominous foreshadowing*

[@wallyhackenslacker]

Nice Frank Zappa and Jimmi Hendrix posters in the classroom, dean! On the same note, I would love a "MtPain's Doom school of horrors" wad. That ending gag got me good!

[@FOXYFOXYFOXYWOO]

your comedy chops have sharpened to a fine point, the intro had me on the floor

[@Mozicon]

Nova 1 was the first custom megawad I ever played, so it will always hold a special place in my heart. Megiddo still firmly holds the spot as my favorite Doom map ever made. It also has my favorite midi (Silent Screams by Rob Halford). I very often come back to play Megiddo and The Seventh Circle. I was very hyped to get this episode and I certainly wasn't disappointed. Awesome job!

[@pauld1429]

I had fun making that midi for sure, probably more fun than the mapping.

[@Emperor_SPOON]

Please tell me we're gonna get more Delinquent lore. I, too, am curious as to why he's the only student taught by the only teacher in the entire school building. Like, seriously, that is creepy as fuck. Is this supposed to be one of those "personal hell" sort-of things? That'd be neat to elaborate on.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

I'm guessing this is his punishment for crowning Mt. Pain with dozens of Lost Souls. Annoying prank in my book.

[@iRedMCYT]

21:04 Lol you CLEARLY haven’t seen my Toilet Bowl map. Thats literally its name..

[@HarveyGinger]

Okay your new intro just gave me the best idea. A wad for final doom that adds very subtle Dean of Doom references.

[@jamescresswell1532]

The nice thing about making MAP11 for this project was definitely that I felt no pressure to be “Good”, in the sense that I often apply unnecessary expectation to myself with this unpaid hobby, undertaken for fun. I didn’t want to stand out, or do anything flashy, and I definitely wanted that Soul Calibur II MIDI, even if it is a bit… strident. I’m very happy with my middling grade 😁 Long live MtPain27!

[@MtPain27]

For what it's worth, I love the MIDI choice, and your map fit perfectly into the wad. Thanks for the watch!

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Heya Phobus! See, as the Dean himself said, Nova is delightfully uninhibited. Uncompromised mapping just for fun and practice is some of the best artistic expression for the mapper him/herself. (On an unrelated note, Godforsaken Hole, your map for Cchest3, pairs up _exceptionally well_ with "Waves of Intrigue" from Eviternity's map22. Same energy as your pick of "Waiting For Romero To Play", but fresher. Just thought you'd like to know.)

[@jamescresswell1532]

I’ll confess, for CC3 I hadn’t worked out doing music to maps yet, so that’s very much the default for the slot, rather than an active choice. I’ll have to check out your pairing! And thanks again MtPain 🙂

[@dazsaund3206]

As a lover of Doom this channel is amazing. So many Wads I've never heard of on show. A absolute must for any Doom novice or veteran.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Loved the mood in this episode. There was more spontaneity (spontaneousness?) on your end, the Delinquent is always a fun wise guy to bounce your straight man routine off of, and that school map is... erm... would you consider it a compliment if I said it reminds me of the games Corpse Party and White Day? The lighting especially, great job on it.

[@MtPain27]

Lol, I do know Corpse Party, and that is a compliment

[@johnmendon18]

It's great to have you back, enjoyed everything you've graded for season 3. Incredible content as usual, thanks for the show.

[@PrismaticAngel]

Riptide is a berserkless Tyson map? So you have to use a chainsaw? Someone suggest this map to decino, he'll love it!

[@nbrocx4216]

Hey MtPain27. I hope you are doing well. Thank you for doing a review on this wad. I've not yet played the Nova series, and you've convinced me to give it a try. :) If I may, I have a very, very selfish request, which you can choose to ignore if it doesn't fit the rules for your DoD series. The rest of this comment is gonna be pretty long. I sincerely apologize in advance for that. After going through all the reviews you've done on your channel so far, I've had a thought in my mind, about the challenge wads and the difficulty settings. Of late, I'm seeing mappers put in more efforts towards implementing difficulty settings. I've seen Nirvana985 and Mr.Zzul talk about it here and there, mentioning how much extra care and attention they put towards the HMP difficulty so that it was more enjoyable and also more accessible to the community. Ribbiks is also known for implementing difficulty settings in most if not all of his works. With that in mind, and with your reviews of HR2 and the memento moris fresh in my mind, if possible, could you try reviewing some of the wads but in HMP difficulty? I feel, wads like Fractured Worlds, Sunlust, the Combat Shock series, the Stardate series etc. become far more enjoyable to play when played on lower difficulties. I've played Sunlust on HMP and on UV, and I've also experimented by playing some maps on ITYTD, and I have found even maps like sunlust map29 to be quite a lot of fun. Since your channel is growing so rapidly and one of your goals with the DoD series is to "spread the joy of Doom", I think if you were to review a wad in HMP, it would reach out even to those players who would otherwise just skip on some majestic wads just because they won't play on anything other than UV. After all, there is a sort of mindset in the community where a player must only play on UV. If they can't beat it on UV, they drop the wad and criticize the mapper. I think that's unfair, especially when mappers actually did consider the wide variety in skills in the playerbase and took their time in carefully making HMP and other difficulties more balanced. You had, once upon a time, posted a video about being a save scummer, and, imo, that was a very good, impactful video. It's okay to savescum, and, a lot of people often forget this. Along similar lines, encouraging players to play on lower difficulties would help the general Doom player appreciate the map more. (e.g. I observed a lot more things in the Sunlust maps on HMP than I did on UV.) Your videos have a big outreach (if this is the right word). Many in this community look up to you. I feel, just like in the save scum video, if you were to post a video about Doom difficulty, it may have a positive impact on most of your viewers. Who knows, people may even load up Sunder on no monsters and just stroll through the brilliance of Gazebo's masterpieces. Ofc, I do not mean to imply that players can't play on UV. They certainly can if they wish to. But I am more hoping that players prefer to do their first/blind playthroughs of Ribbiks/Nirvana/Bemused maps on HMP rather than on UV, otherwise they are very unlikely to play it on their own and will probably not think highly of their works. If they enjoy the maps on HMP, that's good, they can then decide to play on UV. If UV turns out to be a frustrating, unenjoyable experience, at least they had a good first impression of the wad on HMP. And, first impressions are last impressions, as they often say. But anyway. I will stop this rant now. Thank you for reading all this, if you do choose to read all this. Hope you have a nice day. (I've also seen your review of BTSX E2. I may or may not leave a comment there. xD )

[@TheOrder20]

What happened to the cut away death/sounds when you gave a map an F rating? I loved that gag.

[@MtPain27]

Too meme-y, I'm trying to do less of that

[@ouroboros7466]

Ah first of the NOVA trilogy eh? This series is quite the beast to slay, dare i say.

[@mikemurdock7234]

Love the Zappa and Hendrix posters in the background of the classic room!

[@WulvenWanderer]

Something about Nova is just so memorable. Even after such a long time since I've played it, I still remember these maps. Great review as always.

[@SuperDragonite2172]

A peek into the beginnings of many mappers (and also a peek into the MtPain cinematic universe?). This episode is really pushing me to dive back into Doom Builder. I had started working on some of my own maps, but got frustrated with my "lack of progress" and didn't get anything to a "playable" state. This WAD and episode are inspiring in a way and I look forward to seeing the rest of Nova's offerings. Footnote: I'm reminded of a more recent novice-focused mapping project called "RAMP" (Rabbit's All-comers Mapping Project). It's less restricted that Nova is, allowing for full use of GZDoom-isms and UDMF, but it's also much larger in scale with the first RAMP having a colossal 200 maps and the following having 120. That combined with Nova shows that everyone can make a Doom map. If you've ever thought about making a map, do it. See what you can come up with. And as MtPain said about Getsu Fune's maps, make maps that you love, even if they don't appeal to others.

[@SinCity2100]

Great, another Grab bag Community Project to chew on, I love these kinds of episodes..

[@DoomKid]

Same!

[@TVdinnermasterchef]

Good looking WAD given the texture limitation and the none-existent experience of most mappers. Only Map30 I've seen comparable to this is Scythe 2's ridiculous slaughter ending. Thanks for another great vid Dean.

[@FAIZAFEI]

as an avid Doomworld user, these map in NOVA is masterpieces in visual compared to those "My First Ever Map" appears in the forum

[@Pokemanic33]

These are my favorite kinds of community projects to see. As a very new (i.e. one total map released) mapper I find a lot of community projects very intimidating, but these beginner-focused projects, with all their highs and lows of experience and quality, bring mapping a lot more down to earth and are very inspiring to me.

[@William_Huber]

That classroom map is pretty neat :)

[@VagueLuminary]

Another solid episode.....love the Zappa poster in the classroom! :)

[@Scypek]

Looks like additional foreshadowing for Ray Mohawk, if the trailer video is anything to go by! Can't wait. Also, the chair textures seem to come from Doom City.

[@dustyrhodes429]

Great stuff Dean, really fun wad here. I find newbie maps that are solid overall a Doom guilty pleasure heh. We all gotta start somewhere and it's really neat seeing how others got going. I haven't made it all the way through the video yet but I'm surprised to see Primevil! I know him only as a composer, not as a mapper. I've worked with him in Parallel Doomensions, a Quake partial conversion for Boom that's still in development. He did the soundtrack along with a few others, nice dude. Worked with Jaws as playtester on TNT Forever (TNT Convultion for those that know that joke name), really great wad - I look forward to seeing it on the show some time. Been really fun working with Kyka (a Doomworld oldhead and very cool guy) in the project, he's mostly who I give input to. Jaws is more of the overseer. MrJoshmon is also an oldhead on Doomworld, very nice guy. No clue there guys got their start in mapping like this. Oh and I like the Hendrix and Zappa posters in the class room now - Doomkid should be appeased! Another edit - wow did you go off on Joe Ilya lmao. Working with Obsidian and all the lovely folks of the Abyssal Speedmapping Sessions, I've heard some stories about this guy. Justice for Gene Bird. He's actually a pretty cool guy (still on Doomworld) and even though Joe has some neat maps I'd take ol Searcher over him, especially with CC1 Map07 and Map28 heh.

[@snapdragoon5823]

AAAAAA OMG I'm so excited to watch this video, Nova The Birth is one of my favourite megawads, I played through it recently vanilla and I have been excited to see your rankings of the maps, *especially* the secret maps, which I know I will never play again.

[@alperalyanak9627]

The nova community projects are seriously underrated. They are the imo most quality consistent community projects around.

[@MarioSilva-ue5cl]

You know, with Halloween not that far away, have you considered a vampire costume? You could be CountPain27.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

[dead arch-vile noises]

[@THEGRUMPTRUCK]

I hope there is a lot of ado. MtPain27: without further ado.... Me: ah beans.

[@DoomKid]

The importance of ado is often understated!

[@pancakes4795]

this comment made me chuckle, thanks :)

[@Putt-Putt]

My my, Cryiak was part of this? Loved his innovative Going Down Megawad!

[@Ennello]

MtPain MtPain MtPain! I have a WAD suggestion for you. This year Elementalism Phase 1 released and I just played it. It is single-handedly one of the most impressive wads I've ever seen. I'm usually not a fan of GZDoom wads, but this one plays like a good vanilla wad with room-over-room added on top. The maps are non-linear, immersive, and honestly, the sense of wonder you feel while exploring them rivals Lost Civilization. I strongly recommend playing through it, and who knows, maybe even reviewing it. Like Overboard, it's a cacoward winner for sure. I'm willing to bet my money on it.

[@amcname8789]

Feel kind of guilty for not heeding your warning for map31. I'll probably have never played it, let alone beat it, but still, always a shame to ruin the surprise. Your uploads are always a treat, Mr. Dean, and I sure hope Delinquent made it home safely.

[@RoofiDoomChannel]

Some mappers maybe didn't have a lot of mapping skills at the time but definetely had top-tier musical taste. Nightwish is one of my favourite bands, I was happy to hear some of their songs : "The Kinslayer" , "She is my Sin" and "Feel for you" when I played this wad, despite the crappy midi renditions.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

That's one of the things I like most about wads from 2010 and on. They all consistently feature extraordinary music, be it midi renditions of mainstream music or tracks by the community's composers.

[@anthonymentalewicz5143]

Love that there's mega wad projects like this. It's quite a good idea.

[@eduardodiaz9942]

I knew the Delinquent would be one to play Brootal Dewm. Here's another wad I didn't know and will try ASAP. Keep 'em coming.

[@Doomguy0623]

To think of how many riveting maps have been reviewed on this show, but not any of them have been ranked higher than Ejipt.

[@MtPain27]

There will never be another like it

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Something something lightning in a bottle. Ya dig?

[@opvask]

8:30 that page flicking in the dictionary to find the definition of "incubator" was amazing

[@dancewithoutme]

It hurt. A lot. I liked it. Best philosophy right there.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Let's get prepared for when the Delinquent inevitably finds the Lament Configuration.

[@AdamM3377]

This wad had some cool skyboxes. Edit: also completely agree with your analysis of Iron Exuviae. It's clean, unique simplicity.

[@scrawtv]

I think I mentioned it before, but map 31 is my favorite map of all time. I think is the first time I thought of Doom like something more than circle strafe fights and killing demons. I am not good with puzzles and I honestly had a very annoying time my first playthrough, and my twitch chat was definitely getting bored and annoyed too, but discovering the secret path was an incredible experience. The midi and the visuals work together so well too, is incredible vanilla textures could produce such a striking world. I was really mad the reward was that map 32 but oh well haha Nova is not perfect, it was definitely rough around the edges but I think it's safe to say that all mappers did not lack creativity. It's awesome to see the starting work of many legendary mappers. Can't wait for the Nova 3 episode!

[@zephytime8196]

Was excited to see you take your eye to some perennial mappers' origin stories here. I think one of my favorite facets of the show is when a mapper returns a few times (or more than a few) and you get a more thorough look at how their mapping identity coalesced. And besides, what aspirant doesn't like seeing their creative heroes in a more approachable, reachable light?

[@JGT-yd2wx]

I often keep your videos on as background noise while I do stuff, i find your voice relaxing. On this rewatch it finally hit me on WHY you where showing the delinquent this wad in the intro, it was a way of saying "If you don't want to play DOOM you can make maps for it." which makes sense looking back at the jokewad he sent you. The opening maps are quite pretty and aptmospheric, 3D glasses is a cool idea and would fit perfectly in the 31 slot, him clearly knowing enough about DOOMs balance to know how to screw the player over, I could go on! (I know the Delinquent of DOOM is a fake character shut up) My recommendation would be instead to give him an assignment to make a DOOM wad. Assign him a few random limits, a deadline, and a sourceport and send him on his way!

[@MtPain27]

I like the idea! Maybe we’ll see another Delinquent wad someday.

[@JGT-yd2wx]

@@MtPain27 I'm glad you like the idea! I've wanted to see his mapping capabilities (and by that I mean you or whoever made the maps for the lunar eclipse video) in more depth ever since I first saw them.

[@Legatron17]

32:44 That was honestly quite creepy haha, you could make an awesome Halloween special surrounding the school

[@LegendaryMetalGames]

Have watched every Dean of Doom video since you started the series and played Doom since 94. Can you please cover REVOLUTIONS! And some of the other Bethesda's add-on since they're so available on Console's bow. I have had a blast with Revolutions how they go for more realistic environments instead of crazy battles (though some levels can have some sinister traps). So far it has easily made my top 5 Mega Wad list of all time story driven not too hard not too easy plenty to look at ty

[@gracekelley2907]

I'm sure you've gotten comments on this, but I'd love to see you cover My House on an episode. That introduced me to doom wads in general. I had no idea the game had such a creative modding community, and seeing My House made me want to see what other mods were like. I'd also like to see Grove and "The thing you can't defeat" on future episodes but I'm sure that will come eventually. I've only scratched the surface of the Dean of Doom episodes and I'm looking forward to binging the series.

[@danielja1832]

The Doom Wiki states that the MIDI from Sunlust Map13 is from here, somewhere, "Quickfast". But I can't find it. Any Idea where it is?

[@Portponky]

Thanks for this video, it's good and amongst the top ten videos you've released today.

[@capnsycamore2060]

Your videos have just inspired me to give a try to vainilla doom and now I can appreciate these wads in a different way! Doom is the only game I'll really play with keyboard and mouse, and even tho I'm a total noob and play on hurt me plenty, I'm having a blast

[@DinnerForkTongue]

What matters is you having fun, no matter the difficulty!

[@jazzmaster909]

oooh another exciting megawad review. Always happy to see a new Dean of Doom episode pop up on my feed :O

[@DarkPuIse]

We will do our best to educate the Delinquent. We will probably fail anyway.

[@MRDoom12]

06:56 I am soooooo glad I'm not the only one who uses crap-ton as a metric unit of measurement! Classic!!!

[@DoomKid]

It’s much more accurate than the imperial equivalent “a shit-ton”, but I’m stuck in my ways!

[@cannonball1990]

I was more partial to the metric fuck-ton myself.

[@kthxbaiz]

Just finished this WAD myself, thanks to this video. Couple things I noticed: 1. Those triangle "sinks" in Map02 are (I think) supposed to be urinals, since the other bathroom doesn't have any. Though, honestly, they look even less like urinals 2. In Map 27, I believe the back linedef of the blue door doesn't require the blue key, so if the mastermind brushes up against it, the door opens prematurely

[@kinetic03]

10:22 heart attack grill shold probably be shut down, and its owner in jail. Btw your videos have really good rewatchability

[@KingInferno93]

I'm glad i'm not the only person who uses metric crapton lmao, as a chemistry tutor, I definitely throw that term in from time to time when I talk about unit conversions LOL. Sick WAD review as usual :)

[@thelippyserver58]

"Nova is slowly turning me into a Nightwish fan." You mean... you weren't already? You're dead to me. 0_o

[@jeremyabrahamson2872]

You doing the Level06 music made me happier than it should have. Just needs grinding Drilelrs ambushing you.

[@jeremyabrahamson2872]

Typo on Drillers. You know what I mean.

[@obake7260]

Wonderful video! Its nice to see Nova continued as a series even after a bit of a rocky start. Btw, if you ever do another Sawed Off Wads video, there's a map you MUST check out. It's by my good friend Toxie Rocks. It is titled "The Fantastic Love Adventure of Lt. Feel Good", and is the last map in the zdoom set of the Doomworld 2014 Mega Project. The map is an experience like no other, and was even praised to high heavens by none other than Jimmy Paddock. :)

[@MtPain27]

Thanks for the rec, and I look forward to seeing you again in Nova III :)

[@tjg121389]

I haven't played this one, but it looks oddly charming and quirky. Even the ones that look a little rough around the edges have some qualities to them that make them unique. It's always interesting to see how mappers just start out. Joe-Ilya has definitely come a long way from this, though his maps I've played lately (usually as part of a DBP) still have this uniqueness to them. And of course Dobu would be one of those mappers who immediately made genius maps. Makes sense. And that MIDI for map 29 really makes the map feel unsettling.

[@Pengairxan]

Oh boy the delinquent is back, this is gonna be good. Sucks that his performance is limited but with what he brings up is now making me wonder. What are you hiding from us Mr pain?

[@yungcaco1443]

Good to see the delinquent making an appearance 😂👍🏻

[@bugothecatplays7864]

20:25 That's typical joe-ilya's early style, I love it :)

[@forgettablePyromaniac]

Mt Pain talked for so long the school closed... Wouldn't the delinquent's family be worried that he didn't get home on time?

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Nah, this is such a common occurrence that he gets extra attendance credit.

[@doomdoomerson6524]

Thanks, Dean! I have been waiting , patiently. Great Episode.

[@BonJoviStatue]

Hey, my favorite floating meatball is back!

[@mortaljason]

Great video, just felt like some of those joe Ilya comments you made were overly mean "no amount of going back to the drawing board could save" ouch. What does that mean

[@mr.e330]

I checked out Nova 1 a while back and while it did fail to hook me, I did decide to idclev to map31. Good god was that a cool experience, exploring it on its own with the melancholy track playing was nice, it had a sense of "dystopia" to it and the almost abandoned monolithic scale of the exuviate is a pretty memorable setting. The weird symbol puzzle was so cool especially the twist leading to the secret exit, and while the combat there was not my cup of tea, the atmosphere of the map was excellent. On a related note, I think you'd like Devil's Den from TNTR more now that you've grown more appreciate of dgm's style more. Anyways onto the video itself, I was unironically in awe of the thrashing you gave map21, never did I think you'd end up complimenting GB or HR2 in the exact same level, straight up harsh. In retrospective, it makes the same author's submission to NOVA2 a pretty cool redemption story. Also the ending punchline was pretty funny, although it opens quite a can of worms; is "MtPain27" (distinct from the youtube creator MtPain27) a fraud, some of kind of supernatural entity really into DOOM levels, why does he have access to an entire empty school, who is the "Delinquent of Doom", so many questions! Great video as always Professor!

[@head_cannon1066]

That's so cool how the "Wait, I've been here before..." nightmare vibe of Teleportarium & Immaterium gets followed up by dobu gabu maru's contribution to Megiddo. I'm one of those weirdos who loves 33% of Doom 2 In Name Only enough to be able to endure the remaining 66%, mostly due to my fascination with stock texture use as a minimalist art form. So I am _definitely_ going to take a journey through this WAD.

[@Stochastic777]

Just wanna say that I too am a fellow weirdo, then, because I have a soft spot for D2INO. Some of the WAD is unplayable trash, but most of the good maps are REALLY good and completely justify its existence - mouldy's, cannonball's, and Tristan Clark's maps belong to the latter category of course. Would love for the Dean to play through and review that mapset!

[@head_cannon1066]

Oh, I dunno about that. I think the most entertaining episodes are the ones where the Dean is gushing about something that's captivated him, rather than the ones where he has to do an analysis of something flawed that falls short of its aspirations. kmxexii's ONEMANDOOM blog is quite good at finding positive examples of moments that are fun or interesting, even in the most dire WADs. But that's not the way that MtPain27's creative process works, and he's not able to force it to work that way. When something doesn't really grab him, it shows, and the script and voiceover performance just gets filled with resentment. I don't mind the choppy experience of playing through a community project with a jarring variety of tones, styles, & difficulties, but I find those kind of megawads to be a poor fit for this show's format. ...You're right about how cool those cannonball and mouldy levels are, though. It's really neat to see those two masters take on the Vanilla-Compatible format and make ambitious things within the restrictions as a creative challenge. Antroid's MAP29 is another adventure map that I would say _earns_ its extended running time, and his MAP04 sits comfortably alongside _bruce_'s preceding two levels as good examples of how to make the kind of modest, small-scale level that best excels in those early E1 mapslots. Finally, ProcessingControl's dungeon crawls full of tricks & traps are exactly my jam, so I really enjoyed solving the big arcane machine of MAP06, and further recommend his three maps in the previous year's Interception.

[@Stochastic777]

@@head_cannon1066 nah, I don’t agree. I personally don’t find that his reviews of less than stellar WADs detract from his whole body of work. While I don’t think the Dean would shower the WAD with glowing praise, his nuanced take on “mixed bag” community WADs are a breath of fresh air. I think they earn their place amongst his reviews of revered classics and personal favorites. Plus he seems like the type that subscribes to the notion that “the more Doom, the better” so i don’t think it would be a poor use of his time. Ultimately though, it’s up to what the man himself wants to play and review - it’ll be top notch, regardless. Also, I definitely echo your sentiments on Maps 6 and 29 - very unique pieces of work!

[@chasepalumbo2929]

Okay the skits are just getting more funny epic😎

[@Queen3In3Yellow]

Honestly the intro and outro got me thinking, what if we got Breaking Bad but instead of Walter and Jesse it’s just Mt. Pain and the Delinquent. Lmao.

[@A_D_M_E_R_A_L]

18:47 I gotta say, this area kinda reminds me of the 1st Buff Totem area in Eternal's Super Gore Nest level.

[@tandgsgaming]

Love the videos! keep up the good work!

[@xxsugarsparkxx]

Existential mystery with the delinquent

[@kakhome1]

25:36 Well I guess we can put Pistol Panic and/or Technodrome on the list of maps joe is a fan of. (I already had devised Underhalls and early Scythe 1.) Which come to think of it, it's probably Pistol Panic he was a fan of, since half that map looks just like Underhalls! For my money, Pistol Panic is (perhaps fittingly both for joe and for the megawad it opens) easily my least favorite Map01 of any DooM II episode or megawad on this show. Oh and Whispers of Satan kinda bores me a bit but no, joe's work does NOT remind me of it. Footnote: On top of that, this map is associate with HR2 yet again, for half its title in that wad's Valedictorian. I liked this episode, there is a lot of quirky work here and a lot of odd selling points. Still looking forward to NOVA III more, but this was a good one. Many call the first NOVA a 'modern TNT' and after the consistently underdeveloped start, that seems a fair way of putting it. Indeed my thoughts of TNT, unaffacted by nostalgia, mirror yours of this wad (which I haven't actually played) once it gets past the dreary first quarter. It's also interesting to see returning mappers improve in NOVA II, which lacks that 'modern TNT' flavor and instead actually seems like a superior iteration of the Community Chest series, but is a better megawad all the same. mrthejoshmon, cannonball, and even joe ilya definitely show advancement in their solo work, and unarguably two of NOVA's best mappers also join forces to create that wad's Valedictorian with a third creating its conclusion. Too bad Megiddo II is robbed of that AWESOME midi of Silent Screams and dobu's equally awesome section that carried NOVA's final map so far...but oh well. As a final note, I find Map02: Smelling Faintly Of Roses of Finely Crafted Fetish Film to be an equally amazing puzzle to Iron Exuviae, although there isn't a secret alternative solution. But I wanted to shout that map out, Ribbiks had some really good puzzle ideas in 2019 to join among the likes of what dobu had already been doing for six years.

[@MRDoom12]

This was my first real yt playthrough! It was so much fun!!!

[@ItsTheFizz]

7:51 - Wait a sec... That's Inferno's boss theme from Soul Calibur 2!

[@tovarishchayka152]

Low-tier episode suggestion: Marswar

[@vonheer7418]

AH! What is that ending music? I definitely know it! Is it from Action Doom 2? Great vid as always Dean.

[@eugeniosabater8449]

7:32 Looks like TNT but better! Very creative indeed!

[@utopua4all]

Is that "The Kinslayer" by Nightwish used in the 9th map's midi? I can't completely tell - but Nightwish is from Finland. Kind of weird to midifi a song about the Columbine tragedy for a Doom map, but who am I to judge?

[@kansascityshuffle3320]

And She is my Sin in map 5?

[@groove66]

At least the Delinquent has good taste in music

[@johnballantyne3458]

Love the Hendrix poster in the classroom.

[@shakes5847]

The Zappa poster is fuckin killing me. Dying laughing.

[@DanPellegrino486]

Didn't expect to hear a MIDI rendition of Halford - Silent Screams on Map 30.

[@kulrigalestout]

Ya know, this was fun and inspiring!

[@ClexYoshi]

YO, Cutmanmike is subbed to your patreon?!? Mega Man 8-bit deathmatch is actually my first experience with playing Doom on PC, fun fact!

[@ClexYoshi]

In all seriousness and in a separate comment, though, the idea of picking up Slade and Doom Builder and getting to work on trying to make something has crossed my mind quite a few times. I don't necessarily know if making vanilla compatible maps would be my thing though, given this thought was first implanted by wanting to make maps for SRB2Kart more than it was for making challenges amongst titans like Skillsaw who have boiled Doom combat down to a science. What would be worth making that I as a mapper could bring to the table, and would it even be something I could complete given that even in my other artistic endeavors, I struggle to finish my work in what is most likely an ADHD-ridden lethargy. Then I see cool community projects like what the Doomer Boards have going on or the Nova series or Not Even Remotely Fair and it's clear there's still so much TO create. If nothing else, taking the MtPain27 intro to Doom course may actually instill the language of doom mapping unto me in some capacity, and maybe I do get that hit of lightning to the brain and go out thereand do something cool with IDTech1.

[@archons-court]

I don't know if you're still taking suggestions, but I'm interested in seeing what you think of Swift Death, a (mostly) franckFRAG megaWAD all about tiny, low-monster, vicious levels

[@yetanotherrandomviewer]

I like WADs that do something special with their secret levels.