November 6 - Henry VIII abandons Catherine Howard

[@donnab.42]

Claire, I love it when you recommend books. I know they will be based on historical evidence, and not on rumors. Thank you.

[@anneboleynfiles]

Thank you! The very best book on Catherine is Gareth Russell's, it really is fantastic. I can't say enough good things about it.

[@donnab.42]

I'm looking forward to a good read as the local library has reserved the book for me. @@anneboleynfiles

[@RogieVixen]

DONNA B. I must read it right after Julia Fox’s Jane Boleyn: The Infamous Lady Rochford x

[@michelerees]

I'm addicted to Tudor history

[@anneboleynfiles]

Me too!

[@cherylthompson3936]

So am I, I've always been interested in it. I'd love to visit there someday.

[@karenknicely1788]

Have you ever thought about making a day to day calendar, saying on this day in Tudor history? If you would make one, I would buy one!!

[@marionarnott750]

When Norfolk looked so grim, was it for fear of Katherine's fate or fear for himself for promoting the match with Henry?

[@luvprue1]

Both. But I think he fear falling out of favor with the king, and the idea that he might wound up in the towers as well.

[@maryannlockwood7806]

Marion Arnott I agree it sounds like both to me as well. Her brother was lucky that he only got banished from court and didn’t wind up like Anne bolelyn’s brother, George.

[@marionarnott750]

@@maryannlockwood7806 I think self interest was his overriding emotion. Did he even know Katherine well enough to care about her? He knew well what had happened to Queen Anne who was a remarkable woman. Poor Katherine was far from remarkable and yet he backed her. We'll never know what his thoughts were, I suppose.

[@anneboleynfiles]

I think he knew that this would bring trouble for his family, as it did. Several of them were found guilty of misprision of treason and then imprisoned, and then goods confiscated. It was a nightmare for them.

[@marionarnott750]

@@anneboleynfiles I never knew about the wider family arrests and the confiscations Was Norfolk himself arrested?

[@SR-uf8pt]

She's absolutely right about the book "Young and Damned and Fair." Very good book, and exhaustive in its research.

[@anneboleynfiles]

It is excellent.

[@gamer2101]

I love these videos. Thank you for taking the time and doing this.

[@frequencygirl5D]

Thank you so much Claire for all your informative & interesting Tudor History videos! I had quite the obsession with Henry Vlll & Anne Boleyn as a child and love all the stories!

[@anneboleynfiles]

Me too!

[@victoriakmartin]

I am reading Young and Damned and Fair now and it is fascinating. I didn't realize before reading it that the Howards were major supporters of Richard III. I am just around the point now where the marriage to Anne of Cleves is being arranged.

[@anneboleynfiles]

It's one of my very favourite books. Gareth is thorough, fair and so very readable.

[@aimee2234]

Poor Catherine... Was it all true? We may never really know... Henry makes me so angry. Thank you, Claire! xo

[@poutygorilla2698]

Catherine didn't know any better and was nothing more than a pawn used by men.

[@anneboleynfiles]

What makes you say that she was a pawn?

[@anneboleynfiles]

She confessed to a sexual relationship with Dereham and to intending to sleep with Culpeper, so it does appear to be true. I do wonder, though, what would have happened if she had actually accepted the fact that he relationship with Dereham consituted a precontract. She denied it and that made things more difficult for Cranmer and the king's council. If she'd accepted it, perhaps she would have been simply set aside like Anne of Cleves.

[@candicehoneycutt4318]

E M Anne of Cleves was the lucky one imo. Simply letting her go with a nice title and settlement was in everyone's best interest at the time.

[@MorrigansRaven3944]

@@candicehoneycutt4318 absolutely! also, she was wise enough to just agree to what Henry wanted. I've also thought about how lucky she was in that, since Henry released her, she was a free noblewoman, she could run her own life, make her own decisions. He actually did her a huge favor...lol

[@wendychavez5348]

Kathryn Howard depresses me, just because I feel that I've heard enough about Henry's exploits by the time her role is revealed. I appreciate that you keep it fresh by giving us these daily blurbs. That doesn't make her story less tragic, but it frees up my attention enough that I can see her as more than another victim of a royal monster.

[@chiaroscuroamore]

I do feel for Catherine Howard. She was a teenager and perhaps behaved foolishly and was caught out (am not 100% sure she did what was said as I personally haven’t researched it). I wonder if it was more that the physicians decided she couldn’t bear children that Henry VIII really kicked her to the curb? Thank you for another great video! These videos are the high point of my day!❤️

[@susannebemis3311]

I am sure that by then Henry was somewhat impotent

[@anneboleynfiles]

I think Henry just couldn't cope with the betrayal, the idea that his beautiful wife hadn't been the pure virgin he thought she was.

[@peachymeechie1844]

Claire you're absolutely awesome. I enjoy these so much each day! They do bring Tudor history to life! You always make me smile. Thank you as always!

[@anneboleynfiles]

And your comments make me smile!

[@catherinepalmer4596]

I love your videos and your style of communicating what might sound so boring in a different context.

[@anneboleynfiles]

Thank you, that's such a lovely comment.

[@samanthafinn4544]

Thank you Claire 👑 Poor Catherine she would be living in limbo for the next 3 months. I always find Catherine's story a sad one.

[@anneboleynfiles]

I do too. If only Henry hadn't noticed her!

[@shayadayan3343]

Katherine was incontinent, but she was only a child

[@forestbathing4443]

You look so pretty today...shirt color is very becoming on you. I feel for Catherine Howard...she was just a mixed up child ~ just a pawn.

[@anneboleynfiles]

Thank you! I don't think she was a pawn as such. I should think the Howards completely panicked when the king's eye landed on her. The king simply noticed her while she was in service to his fourth wife, Anne of Cleves.

[@heatherlucero7540]

Hello to all... Enjoy each day watching you ... Thank for your hard work.

[@anneboleynfiles]

Thank you!

[@januarysson5633]

I was at Hampton Court two years ago and walked up and back the Long Gallery from the chapel. I was two-thirds of the way back down when I had the impression of hands on my shoulders pulling me back. Kind of sent chills down my spine. Anyone else been to the Long Gallery and experienced something?

[@anneboleynfiles]

Ooooh! Interesting! No, I've never felt anything but I've heard stories of people feeling very cold or feeling faint.

[@sarahhardcastle2433]

Problem is it very likely never happened, for Catherine to escape her guards she would have had to get past many doors with guards on them I did read where Catherine’s apartments were it would have been difficult for her to reach the gallery, not only that but the court would have been full of ambassadors from different countries so how come nobody reported back to their masters there are no contemporary records, so no very unlikely it happened, more likely a story made up by staff in the grace and favour apartments so they could get better ones.

[@paloma4444]

@@sarahhardcastle2433 Eh, they may have hesitated to stop the Queen. Either way, we will never know if it happened or not. But it is very popular for sure

[@sarahhardcastle2433]

Raul unlikely as anyone accused of high treason would not have been allowed in the presence of the king.

[@darkangelw8472]

I love to visit

[@jillniemczynski5517]

Hi Claire🙋 Russell's book sounds interesting, I must put it on my list! Thanks again for everything. Much love to you, Tim & your fur babies! 💙✌🐕🐈🐾🌹

[@scarletibis3158]

This is one of your best! Ty!

[@anneboleynfiles]

Oh, thank you, that's good to know.

[@alessaapathy]

It grosses me out that Catherine would have been 16 and Henry 49 when they married. It’s also so strange how normal it is for Henry to be attracted and have relationships with his wives bridesmaids. Rancid

[@janicesnyder9305]

I had not heard the doctor's opinion that Catherine could not have children. Catherine's behavior is such a dichotomy to the morals today.

[@janyceimoto8750]

Thank you for another informative posting. I did purchase Gareth Russell’s “Young and Damned and Fair” just a few days ago. As I also have been purchasing your books through Amazon, this book came highly recommended as well as Sarah Beth Watkins’ books. I’m so glad my better instincts served me well. Can hardly wait to begin reading!

[@anneboleynfiles]

Oooh, lots of good reading then. Enjoy!

[@almontepaolilli4909]

I think that any woman married to Henry certainly has the right to haunt any building in England. The cats made an entry stage left but only by voice. The bells again tolled for poor Catherine Howard.

[@anneboleynfiles]

Yes!

[@elnomareeves4401]

Thank you for the wonderful walk through history. I look forward to each new video. I also just have to say red is your color. You looked especially lovely today.

[@janyceimoto8750]

Elnoma Reeves I was thinking exactly the same. Red becomes you Claire!

[@anneboleynfiles]

Thank you!

[@coopermclaughlin8305]

Thank you Claire, I really look forward to your videos every day. I really want to visit Hampton Court Palace. One day Claire.

[@anneboleynfiles]

It is a beautiful place to visit so I hope you get to visit one day.

[@patriciapickett836]

Such a double standard! And such cowardice from Henry, who would not even give his wife the courtesy of telling her to her face that the marriage was over. As for Catherine, I have no idea how/why she thought her past (and present) affairs would not catch up with her. For the past, at least, I think she could have earned Henry's 'forgiveness' had she been honest before her marriage. And, if not, she at least would have reaped the benefits of being a favored mistress.

[@anneboleynfiles]

Once Henry had turned against someone, he would cut himself off from them completely. Anne Boleyn never had chance to talk to him, Anne of Cleves didn't, and of course, Catherine Howard. However, Catherine Parr was warned that there was a plot against her and she managed to talk to the king and that saved her.

[@joansmith3296]

I always felt very sorry for Catherine Howard. It seemed to me she was this very young girl with an ambitious family. She should have realized she was entering a nest of vipers when she agreed to marry Henry. These girls from these nobility families were just used to get power and they were bought and traded like cattle and sheep. And Henry's ego was so massive he must have thought a beautiful young wife would be satisfied with him and not stray. And her past life should somehow be erased because she married him. The marriage was just a farce. What a shame she had to lose her head because she fell in love with other men. Great video, thank you Claire.

[@anneboleynfiles]

I don't think her family did anything to cause it. Joining her stepgrandmother's household was a wonderful opportunity for her and she was able to obtain a position serving Anne of Cleves, another great opportunity. There is no evidence at all that the Howards pushed her at the king, and I expect they were actually rather panicked when they found out that the king wanted to marry her.

[@renshiwu305]

Henry VIII should have been in the Jackson V, cuz he never could say goodbye, girl.

[@blondthought5175]

He would have stuck out like a sore thumb. Just try to picture it.

[@beth7935]

Yes, the oh-so-brave Henry VIII, tournament champion, didn't have the guts to "break up with" a woman in person. A coward, like most bullies.

[@raeannhoward2231]

Its sad how king Henry 8th had No problem with walking away from ppl he used to love and care about ... Acting as if they were never there in the 1st place ... Its sad really ...

[@samanthafordyce5795]

Typical narcissistic behavior.

[@JasmineJohnsonPsychicMedium]

Another great video! I just ordered Young and Damned and Fair and I can't wait to read it. Thank you so much for your wonderful videos.

[@nancyM1313]

Thank you. Enjoyed very much. Haven't been here for a while. Stay safe.❤

[@Cottage-Reader]

Hi Claire! I am enjoying your videos and have subscribed too. Do you have plans to do a video just with your book recommendations? I would love that😆

[@pbohearn]

Thank you! The historical documents really detail this pivotal Time

[@kaseybrewer545]

I can't wait to get my hoodie! I will definitely be checking out Russell's book on Catherine. Tudor history is just so fascinating!

[@anna-karins1176]

Could Catherine technically be punished for something she had done before she had met or married the king ?? Was it a criminal act to not be a virgin at marriage ??

[@aaliyahaldc3760]

She wasn’t a virgin when they were married. That was against the law she also didn’t tell him if she was one soo

[@gidzmobug2323]

@@aaliyahaldc3760 That law had come because of Katherine Howard. This law was not in existence when Anne Boelyn was Queen (she had been executed for high treason).

[@aaliyahaldc3760]

Katheryne Koelker actually that’s false 😂😂. Anne Boleyn was charged with witchcraft , plots against the king, and adultery. Adultery which goes along with not being a virgin when you were supposedly wed. However Anne boleyn and all the men that were accused of sleeping with Anne could prove they were in separate places so that charge was removed but plots against the king were more serious so she was arrested due to high treason. Trust me I read. Probably far too much. I have a whole book on European monarchy

[@lemongrabloids3103]

Golden Superstar watch Claire’s series on the fall of Anne Boleyn at no point is Anne accused of witchcraft. One reference mentions the kind being “bewitched” but that doesn’t literally mean put under a spell it meant he was infatuated with her.

[@anneboleynfiles]

It wasn't against the law at this time, but Henry did change the law so that from that time on any woman he was to marry had to be a virgin (unless she was a widow, like Catherine Parr). The attainder against Catherine found her guilty of high treason because of her intention to commit adultery. It stated that she "proved to have been not of pure and honest living before her marriage” and had allegedly wanted to “return to her old abominable life.”

[@ardiffley-zipkin9539]

Great presentation & style ! Enjoyed it.

[@francie18]

I loved this video, thank you!

[@LaPetiteBoulin]

Where do I go to find the Anne Boleyn coloring and other items you sell? It's okay if it's more than one website. My daughter asked for some Anne Boleyn items and your merch on her xmas list.:)

[@anneboleynfiles]

The merch is from teespring - teespring.com/es/stores/tudor-society and all of my books, including the colouring book, are on Amazon. Thank you!

[@Han-jr1jw]

Love these videos ❤️

[@lacouerfairy]

The Tudors did a good job of portraying Catherine screaming for Henry in the gallery.

[@catzmeow5294]

But was the myth encouraged by the Victorians?

[@jamieyoho2310]

I just finished G. Lawrence's "No More Time to Dance. Changed my opinion of Katherine completely. Anna was executed for adultery, while she was executed for THINKING about adultery but in literature Katherine is portrayed as the loose woman. Poor kid, she shouldnt have kept those letters!

[@nomine4027]

I received your book for my birthday and I love it. It's a wonderful coffee table book!

[@ruthbeamish8849]

Please read it, Don't just place on your coffee table 😉

[@kellyel8646]

Those banished from court before Catherine's arrest were the lucky ones, compared to her at least. I feel for poor Catherine. She was too young to understand how her past dalliances could/would come back to haunt her like (or unlike) the Haunted Gallery (depending on where you stand on that).

[@anneboleynfiles]

I do feel sorry for the others caught up in it too, they must have feared for their lives. The poor dowager duchess was imprisoned in the Tower for a while and her possessions and properties seized. Awful.

[@mariamanasewitsch2977]

Omg I’m reading that book now. I can’t wait to get to the notes & bibliography!!! It’s a broader perspective & an easy read.

[@TheCuppycakedelight5]

Poor Catherine Howard, no she shouldn't have had affairs if she did. but i firmly believe she didn't deserve what happened to her. Thank you for these videos ma'am.

[@anneboleynfiles]

It is sad that the initial allegations were about her past and, of course, she could never have known that she was going to break up with Dereham and marry the king.

[@ruthbeamish8849]

But she was only a child. Abused by lascivious men

[@annam.6708]

Great video! Thank you

[@kiera6326]

'Cannot bear children?' Seriously? She didn't have the ability to do so long enough for them to make an adequate estimation on that!

[@ellenspear50]

I've been there at Hampton Court Palace and heard the story about Katherine. Fortunately, I didn't see, hear or feel anything unearthly (I don't believe in ghosts, so not surprising). I've read a biography of poor little Katherine, and feel for her.

[@anneboleynfiles]

I've been in the haunted gallery a few times and never felt anything, but there are stories of people suddenly feeling unwell or fainting there.

[@darlenefarmer5921]

Thank you.

[@Fangs4DaMemories]

Now THIS would be the day to wear your "On This Day" shirt! :D

[@anneboleynfiles]

I might as well wear it every day!

[@elizabethdavis5592]

Interesting that Henry married a cousin of his second wife Anne Boleyn, you would have think he would have learned by then. Also, was Anne at all involved in her cousin’s life, she could have provided some much needed advice if possible

[@anneboleynfiles]

Anne did help Edmund Howard, Catherine's father, get employment as comptroller in Calais, but there's no evidence of her being involved at all with Catherine.

[@samanthafordyce5795]

Wasn't Jane Seymour also a cousin of Anne Boleyn, or at least some relative of the Duke of Norfolk? That would make three wives from the same clan if not the same family. You'd think he would have learned better.

[@masonch06]

There's nothing like a ghost story to spice things up! Catherine Howard fascinates me; did she really betray her king? Surely she knew the risk involved if she did. What could her motivation have been?

[@asdfghjzxcvbnm7637]

She didn't like him like that

[@kawannahardy2924]

I Love your videos, and enjoy the bells. I'd assumed that you film daily, at the same time. How can you stand bells going off that frequently?? A couple times a day, beautiful. Any more than that, nerveracking!😕😯. On the situation with Henry VII, I'm not surprised by anything he's said to have done. He was a brute, and treated all of his wives unfairly in some way. Tfs

[@anneboleynfiles]

You get used to them. In daily life, I don't even notice them now unless they're ringing for a death or funeral.

[@nancybeveridgetaylor3256]

I've been to Hamton court, I am not a very "spiritual" person so I never felt anything there. But I felt the history of that place. I also love your book recommendations. And, I do love the bells! 🥰😻😊🌺❤

[@darcidecaesaria9071]

Hehehe u have a great sense of humor!

[@anneboleynfiles]

Thank you!

[@ellendelaney8109]

Garath Russel book was brilliant

[@monicacall7532]

This is the perfect video after just finishing Garreth Russell’s biography of Catherine Howard. Sure she made some very bad decisions before she married Henry and with Culpepper during her marriage, but to put her to death was terrible thing. Henry could’ve banished her instead. Of course if you are a mean, smelly, evil, old man and the king you could do anything. My favorite line in Russell’s book was “Henry VIII was a man who had somehow gone rotten without ever being ripe.” That sums up Henry better than any other description I’ve ever read!

[@ellendelaney8109]

So sad for Catherine howard she was so young. I think it is so tragic she is my favourite quern. She did not deserve her fate. It may be said that her family's ambition seal her fate.

[@pheart2381]

The remains of Thomas Cranmer,collected and arranged by Rev Henry Jenkins made me laugh. I thought what did he do,go out armed with a shovel?!

[@anneboleynfiles]

I know, it's a great title!

[@darkangelw8472]

I'm sure, her poor soul haunts the place. After all, Anne Boleyn haunts three places. Heaver Castle, the Tower of London and Bickling Hall.

[@girlsrule722]

Thank you again Claire. Could you please give me the name of the book The Dammed? I would like to get that one. Thank you

[@anneboleynfiles]

"Young and Damned and Fair" by Gareth Russell. I think Tim put both books mentioned in the description too. It's a wonderful read.

[@girlsrule722]

@@anneboleynfiles Thank you

[@andrewkeir6918]

Did I read somewhere Claire, that you are writing a book about Catherine? Also, I believe that during the Victorian excavation at St Peter's ad Vincula, her bones could not be found - just remnants of quicklime. The supposition being perhaps that Henry had ordered quicklime to be poured on her body so that nothing would remain of her, such was his anger and sense of betrayal

[@burgundybabyy]

Love your shirt!

[@anneboleynfiles]

Thank you!

[@annalisette5897]

I almost never give a thumbs down to KZbin videos because I figure most of them are the best efforts of whoever makes them. However there was one recently, supposedly by a sort of history channel with a lot of followers, which claimed to explain Henry VIII's wives and his marital problems. It was a collection of idle tales and misinformation. There were glowing comments beneath from dedicated followers of the channel. I gave it a thumbs down as had a number of other people. I wanted to suggest people get the real story here but sometimes it is not worth making comments. ;-)

[@Sabrinajaine]

I don't get why Dereham got the worse punishment, of being hung, drawn and quartered for having a sexual relationship and precontract with Catherine long before she married Henry??

[@anneboleynfiles]

He was the one responsible for 'deflowering' her and he wasn't of the same status as Culpeper, who was a member of the king's privy chamber.

[@shellyhill6804]

What a beautiful blouse

[@anneboleynfiles]

Thank you! It's great because it is the sort that never needs ironing!

[@susanmiller9388]

That seems like a lot of ringing just with the every 15 minute ringing alone! How do you stomach that much ringing!

[@idontwantachannel7542]

Henry was not a nice guy but I do wonder whether he actually had the option to forgive Katherine, as more common men did. Dynastically and politically speaking, and assuming she was actually guilty, her adultery would have tainted the rest of their marriage and called the legitimacy of any child she might have had with the king into question.

[@ig5867]

Of course, he had an option to not put her to death! They didn't have children together. He could have annuled their marriage, sent her to nunnery or whatever but his ego was such that he went to extremes. Catherine did nothing to deserve to be punished with death.

[@anneboleynfiles]

Their marriage could have been annulled on the grounds that it was bigamous. Catherine and Dereham had called each other husband and wife, and had consummated their relationship, so that could be seen as a legal and binding marriage. She could have been set aside just like Anne of Cleves. She wasn't actually found guilty of adultery, the attainder stated that she had "proved to have been not of pure and honest living before her marriage” and had allegedly wanted to “return to her old abominable life.” It was about intention rather than action.

[@RaysDad]

I suppose no one at the time considered that Henry also had a bit of a past.

[@Pinkiegirl570]

Poor Catherine

[@andrewkeir6918]

Great talk as ever Claire. I was particularly interested about the charge that Catherine couldn't have children. I'm sure I read somewhere that she had a miscarriage during her marriage to the king. Are there any contemporary sources that refer to this?

[@anneboleynfiles]

No, there's no mention of a miscarriage. I think that Henry VIII was probably having quite a few problems in the bedroom department by this time.

[@andrewkeir6918]

@@anneboleynfiles the poor dear

[@cynthiabroyles4890]

19, depending on her birth date, is terribly young to be murdered regardless the century. England, thank God, did not have another like him. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and when you put a vile man in such position there is no end of it. Regardless of natural feelings, I'm amazed young women weren't terrified to even kiss a man out of wedlock. To be as lax as was her Grandmother should have been crime as well.

[@TabithaReminiec3399]

Claire,I love the sound of church bells Can I buy the books that you recommend from Amazon.com?

[@anneboleynfiles]

Yes!

[@kaylovesdisney4582]

Hi Claire, I read in a newspaper paper article that an art historian believes that the miniature portrait we associate with Catherine Howard could in fact be Anne of Cleeves. Have you heard about this and what are your thoughts? Really interested to know what you make of it.

[@anneboleynfiles]

I have read the book in question and don't find the argument compelling. Here's an excellent article by Roland Hui - www.tudorsociety.com/hans-holbeins-portrait-of-queen-catherine-howard-by-roland-hui/

[@kaylovesdisney4582]

@@anneboleynfiles Yes, I didn't think so either mostly because the noses look different. Also, I thought basing an identification on the playing card it was painted on may be a little far fetched. Thanks for the article recommendation, it was very informative and I had quite forgotten that Anne of Cleeves was said/thought to be a blond so it was nice to refresh my memory 😀.

[@samuelbarringer715]

I was wondering is there any information on Agnes Blewett who was born around 1509?

[@riacasey3804]

I do believe it is true that Catherine wasn’t able to bear children. Unless she knew about contraceptives that were available I find it strange she never got pregnant with Culpepper.

[@anneboleynfiles]

She didn't sleep with Culpeper. They were interrogated on several occasions and both denied having sex, but admitted to intending to do so. I believe they were telling the truth.

[@melissagreen_]

What a shame she didn't just escape altogether, instead of running after Henry. She could have sold her jewellery and scooted off overseas and disappeared.

[@somyod2u]

In the portrait of Catherine Howard in your thumbnail, she looks more like a middle-aged , rather prim spinster. she certainly doesn't have the appearance of the fun-loving, free-spirited party girl she seem to have been.

[@IntrepidFraidyCat]

Thank you for the book link!!!! I'm always waffling on Catherine Howard...tragic wife or silly girl who should have known better. What is you take on her?

[@asdfghjzxcvbnm7637]

Honestly i thought she should have chose better for herself

[@Bildgesmythe]

Tragic silly girl

[@californiadreamin8423]

Claire.....I find your videos extremely interesting ( cross my heart ) but .....do your bells ring to commemorate every time someone is erhhh deprived of their top knot , and/or their wedding tackle by Henry VIII ??? He has a lot to answer for 😈😈😈

[@anneboleynfiles]

Ha! These bells are always ringing! They chime every 15 minutes, they chime for mass , they chime when someone dies, they chime for funerals, and then they also chime at special times for saints' days. Luckily, they don't go through the night.

[@pamelaoliver8442]

To be fair, Hampton Court has certainly seen its share of happy times as well as tragedy. Maybe the ghost IS there...it's just not Catherine Howard...

[@PeachChantilly]

Is it Cran-mer...or Cram-ner. Ive seen it as Cranmer anytime i have come across the name. Just wondered which it really is or if it is not speeled the way it sounds etc?☺

[@jojohnston4113]

Can't help but question why the lurid details about Catherine's past weren't made known to the king BEFORE he married her?

[@anneboleynfiles]

People away from court would not have known about the marriage until after it happened. It was kept very hush hush because of the Anne of Cleves annulment. The Howards were probably rather panicked by it all too.

[@jamieyoho2310]

Catherine should have told henry about her past while he was courting her and used them as ploy to play hard to get. He was so infatuated w her that he would have overlooked her past in the beginning

[@terencebennison6275]

Henry v111 urgh!!

[@sharoncole8249]

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