Hands Down Best Hub Motor for Your Next eBike Build

[@bobpatty2937]

In my opinion (13 years riding electric) Justin is the PHD of E-bikes. I have learned so much from him and saved so much money in the process.

[@chendina-tu5ri]

we have tri battery ebike,longer cruising range

[@rufusirvin5279]

I have already pre ordered 2 fat All Axel front and back. Building a new 3 motor AWD bike with Bbshd.3 batteries 72v, 3 Phaserunners, CA3, RST Renegade forks and 100mm rims with 4.8 Maxxis tires. I have a one wheeled fat tire trailer I installed a Shengyi SX2 motor to make this the ultimate catapiller for climbing mountains with heavy loads . With 2 motors with variable Regen I won't have to use brakes coming down the mountains.

[@Zensaitv]

That's an expensive horrible wiring job but hope it's not to bad good luck hope it's sick. I wanted to do a hub and bbshd modded build full suspension build just hard to find the right frame 😢

[@joeows6537]

Over achiever!... lol

[@kimhyunwoo8983]

Wait what’s the point of a mid drive if you already have 2 hub motors?

[@joeows6537]

@@kimhyunwoo8983 Both hubs work for top speed and the Mid drive allows for the use of all your gears in your cassette, throw a 60 tooth ring up front, ya can tow a mac truck or race up any mountain, using pedal power and motors... is an overkill unless your an adrenalin junkie then I'd call this build, brilliant!

[@rufusirvin5279]

@@kimhyunwoo8983 The point is this is not a road bike. This bike might see some gravel road but primarily climbing mountains in Yukon Canada. Following old cat and trapper trails and driving down snowmobile trails. The Bbshd is being used for really low end torque as I am going to run a 32t front chainring and a 46t single cassette gear. I used Grin's Bbshd conversion wiring to Phaserunner that can push 55 amp continuously at 72v, giving me about 4000w. The new Grin All Axel fat bike direct drive motors originally designed as boat motor could replace a 12 HP diesel engine pushing a 32 foot sailboat, giving you an idea of the power of one of those motors . Since direct drives are known for their lack of power off the start I am choosing the All Axel 8t slow windings for more torque and the Bbshd as the low end torque. With the trailer hauling about 200 pounds up and down steep areas where you would have a hard time walking up you do not want to get stuck half way up a climb with all that weight. 3 powered wheels on the ground and overkill power and traction is what is required.

[@TheMatixen]

yes!! WE WANNA SEE THE NEW MOTOR !!

[@davidgraham2673]

Fascinating video. I'm new to the world of e-bikes. I just got my Wired Freedom last week. It is a very good starter bike, and I'm very happy with it. That said, i know that the time will come when I want to go further into the world of e-bikes, and the nest srep is to build my own. Looks like I have no choice except to subscribe. I'm all in......

[@FernandoRiveraislas]

Building your own ebike is a Big mistake . This Chanel.explained that long time ago.

[@Sick666Minded]

Got me 2 of there new v7 regen torque arms for 125$. Ive seen videos were people have a setup that can actually stop you really quick. Better than buying brake pads constantly. And you get extra range. Win win

[@Altema22]

I enjoy Grin stuff and Justin is an absolute genius. I'm not sure if I would call this the best hub motor without knowing the specifications, such as torque or nominal/peak wattage. A modified Bafang G062 peaking at 3,200 watts with a Phaserunner and dual Tesla batteries is my current favorite combo. I'm usually the "rescue" vehicle that tows other bikes home when they break down or run out of juice on group rides, and pulling a quarter ton up a hill at 20mph will be a hard act to follow! I'm open minded though, and being able to use Statoraid will be a big benefit.

[@rufusirvin5279]

I have been bugging Grin about the fat bike All Axel since they came out with it initially as a boat motor a few years ago. This motor can replace a 12 HP diesel sailboat motor to give you some idea how strong it is.

[@theSWBFman]

I spoke to him at the BC Bike Show a couple weeks ago and I asked if the fat version could handle 5kw and he said yes.

[@Blox117]

vesc is way better than all these low power american, and cheap high power chinese ones

[@TNSonglines]

@NPLVentures Agreed! I also do not work for Grin Technologies but think highly enough of this motor that I'm using their rear All-Axle motor with built-in torque sensing on my first ever e-bike build project. I had purchased their great Cycle Satiator battery charger and knew that Grin Technologies was on the cutting edge of modern motor technology on e-bikes. With the latest All-Axle options including built-in torque sensing option (rear All-Axle) and the fat bike hub option I just don't know of any motor manufacturers that has this many options available for their motors.

[@jimhofoss9982]

Justin and the crew from Grin’s are top notch! Been dealing with them since their inception. Knowledgeable about all their products, not just a retailer.

[@a.w.thompson4001]

Great topic! I love Grin products and found this video informative. Thank you!

[@warlockboyburns]

regen braking is essential on bikes braking from 40+ mph

[@joeows6537]

Grin has earned my respect. If the motor cost a thousand dollars USD... you know you will be getting a quality product from people, who think like you!.... Gear Heads! Grin leads the way in many formats, gotta keep em fed and working, we're all in this together!

[@NiSiochainGanSaoirse]

My experience is, the more American companies charge you, the more yachts they buy. Their price has nothing to do with quality, as Tesla and apple have proven.

[@dawhoda1]

​Exactly, the prices on grin site are ridiculous ​@@NiSiochainGanSaoirsehow can china charge less than our own country for the same brand products that they've made?!🤦‍♂️

[@dawhoda1]

"Keep em fed""We're all in this together" what am I reading?! That company already found their Cash Cow

[@joeows6537]

@@dawhoda1 I support American built, whether it's Canada, U.S., Central or South American... I hope everyone has their Cash Cow... and more ... you must be from the oil industry ... am I right? jealous?

[@SeegerG]

Seems like this is the type of video that would just go viral. I guess our enthusiast group is still a bit small for that. But you know the best is the best so I'm glad to be informed. Thanks for the enlightenment I really look forward to a dual motored bike as I'm curious to the effect of gyroscopic precession used with the front wheel in a Motocross setting. You guys are top tier thanks again.

[@thatdude592]

Man that was a great presentation. Concise, precise and accurate. Much Love 👍

[@audiwankenobi361]

This is all next level information! Wow! Thank you.

[@Zensaitv]

Whats also awesome is the new product of color display adapter they just introduced 🎉🎉🎉 finally been asking for 10 fffinnyearz LMFAO. But they are quality hope they fix the bugs and make it universal

[@danrogers9362]

hell yes , fast turn 72v !

[@SeemsLegal]

Yes please get the new Grin fat motor and put it on your bike

[@squashcustom]

Thanks bro cuz my eahora Juliet motor went bad cuz the magnets came out now just spins I'm going to get the fat bike one thank you so much❤

[@jasonbuzzalini5174]

I got a Juliet too and I wanna make it faster, but I have no idea how to do it

[@squashcustom]

@@jasonbuzzalini5174 yeah I know how to do this stuff cuz I'm an engineer bro if you need help with it I live in New Jersey I'm probably can help you out

[@OneCosmic749]

Sure would like to see the upgrade with also some stronger controllers? Then maybe the max power of your batteries will be holding you back?

[@zodiacfml]

I just watch videos of this industry but I agree with you on getting rid of the mechanical drivetrain. one question though, how come the bike industry still don't use axial flux motors? the low rpm speed of these motors and lower cost is perfect for this application

[@Bigdog1787]

Ya I was thinking of getting grin motor and stuff, but I instead went with a 5k watt kit as im a bit strapped on funds at the moment and need the torque. I don't need speed I don't like going over 35mph. I just need it to tow my trailer and all the weight I have in it. Which is around 600-800 pounds. Already have the bew motor installed, but i need to go back in the settings as when I was in it I lowered everything as to not blow up a 48v stock battery that came with the bike its 60ah. Only thing i can't get working is the torque sensor as I had to use the stock bikes sensor. The one that came with the kit wont work on this bike its designed differently. I hoping its just a disabled setting as the sensor as a light and shuws green dnd even tried moving wires around still nothing. Will go into the controller settings tomorrow and see if I can't get it to work.

[@Bonjour-World]

Well it is a good choice if someone needs/wants a big heavy fat tire bike but for many people the upcoming GRIN "Freegen" technology motors may be a "Hands UP" better choice.

[@Bengy22]

Grin needs a better controller, the PR is great for what it is but 100 phase amps and only 45 amps continuous isn't enough for these large motors

[@GrinTechnologies]

This is entirely true. There are various paths being explored but sadly nothing very clean that can be done in the near term timeframe. As a result we'll initially be releasing the fatbike just in a fairly slow 7.5 rpm/V winding so that it still can deliver a good torque at the 90A peak / 50A continuous phase amps of the phaserunners. For a faster ~10 rpm/V option though, we really need both a higher phase current controller and a higher current connector than the L1019 plug. More than about 55-60A continuous will start to melt those nice connectors too, but there isn't an combined phase+hall motor plug standard on the market for higher amps. .

[@Dinty51]

​@@GrinTechnologiesis it possible to purchase the motor with just open ended wires that can be connected to any controller without worrying about that current limit?

[@DriverJ-N]

wow u kept the bike! yess!!

[@NPLVentures]

for now and possibly to do this upgrade if people want to see it

[@Saddletramp1200]

Hello, you had me till The $$$. I'm still going to go with a Phatmoto. I love my Lectric XP 2 so much I want an upgrade in power. But Battries & all I am looking at 2-2.5 K . I can't afford that anymore.

[@blvcknoirent]

my question is, what kinda speeds will I be getting pairing it with 72v and 100a controller

[@Bikepacking]

Question can i install the fatbike motor on the front like on a wrensports fatbike fork .. as my rear hub is rolfof. Hub

[@rayblack9657]

Excellent!

[@myc1sfu]

Get it on the p51! Do it!

[@BrianB1963]

Question for anyone who may know: I absolutely love the power and the torque of my surron Ultrabee. The ONLY thing I dont like about it is the sound of the chain. I love my son's hub motor bike because it's completely quiet but it has nowhere near the power that the Ultra Bee does The only problem is I'm a heavy dude (250 lbs.) And I love going up steep hills. (I literally took my ultrabee up a ski mountain! ) I know that can be a problem with a hub motor (perhaps?) Is there a way that I can make the chain quieter or convert it to a belt drive or can I convert my ultra B to a hub motor using all the existing electronics and Battery? Thank you!

[@heyheynowinga9972]

hands down all canadian as well made and designed like the canada arm was so proud asia looks to what justin is doing he met 2 guy and discovered they invented FREE-GEN

[@L.LGodwill]

There is limitation on the discharging current ; The same there is on charging one ; so ask the battery manufacturer about the specifics of the battery you are using for your bike, and be careful from overheating the battery; that's causing damage, and maybe fier . thank you

[@wrosslandwr8032]

Its bigger yes,but still less torque than a smaller geared motor like gmac and Bafang G062

[@timmax4817]

you should do it with a real 29 inch fat tire bike

[@stubby7934]

Top of the line with a top of the line price...I could buy 4 MXUS 3k or 3 QS205 3000w motors for the same price, both of which I enjoy using. No doubt the Grin is better, but I'm cheap and enjoy my cheap thrills. Might be worth it if it was my main transportation, but it's not, so...cheap for me!

[@markmannm2]

The motor looks a lot like the bafang. Maybe some of the machined parts are. MarkM🎉annM2

[@masonryjoe]

Man, I just went to your link and the new more powerfull fat bike hub is dicontinued, Crap ! Don't know why ? What would be thier next most powerfull option for a back wheel hub, I'm after touque not top speed ? Cheers from Canada !

[@swarbrickjesse]

I need m16 torque arms! Grin please make them ASAP

[@adamwolfram6675]

How much for the fat tire motor and battery and all the components? And website wear to buy?

[@jwillwork3683]

Would this be good on the front tire of my aventon aventure ? I live in Canada.

[@JasonRichardson-e6l]

Where did you get that frame I’m interested in buying one???

[@AcidGambit419]

Okay so i ride a Talaria XXX. Can i install one of these on the front wheel?

[@sledking1236]

Can this phace runner controller work with the bullet gtx

[@sotheamam1244]

Hi. What is the wattage and torque of the motor. I already have philodo H8. Can one of these motor that

[@diggy-d8w]

Thanks for the honest opinion concerning this company, including the fact that they denied you. Still you recognize their quality & I wouldn't have a clue where to get quality if you hadn't done this video. I'd be trying to flip a coin on all the Chinese motors & products out there...lmao, drowning in a sea of cH!T ?! So is it a lot more expensive buying a 20" or 26" hub motor vrs a smaller one & does a smaller tire have the same power as a bigger one? Thanks for all the info shared. peace

[@KITTER298]

It's stated on their website they do not do sponsors.

[@diggy-d8w]

Ahh, well they don't have to worry about me.... lol, I was glad to hear a positive about a better than average place where quality is still part of a company's makeup? So many are using sub-standard materials/parts & slapping those together in a sloppy way? You are one of only a few people that I trust to steer me straight & that's big for me to say. I like lots of channels for all sorts of reasons but trust in this day/age seems to be waining & having said that I appreciate all your work. I feel like I can take most of what you say at face value which is refreshing to me. This company sure charges a lot but I suppose you pay more for their quality & hands-on production. Chat w/ you soon, peace

[@MadMikeBikes]

So why does it say discontinued when I click on your link?

[@النوتفوقالجميع]

The way you speak and explain topics is beautiful and interesting, and your appearance is socially acceptable, and you know what you are talking about or doing. I wonder why this company does not cooperate with you.

[@J5THUNDERTEAMNELLIONS]

You selling ur bike for 2800 on f.b now good build

[@william10140711ify]

How much power does this mortor output?

[@NomaMax209]

I stop in the middle of the road to talk about my bike 😅

[@RussellHogan]

Nice

[@bazilmatthews9299]

But I can but 2 Bafang for the price of one of those. So if it doesn't last as long I still have a second motor which will, end the end, last longer

[@f2_stellar694]

Petals/ pegs?

[@bobhartwell3262]

Could you please tell me what brand of batterys you have. I am trying to find a good 72 volt battery like yours,I know you have mentioned it before but I can't find the vid.

[@NPLVentures]

‘ebikemarketplace’ let them know I sent you!

[@Cho.0k]

Does anyone run a single speed on rear Grin All axle or the like?

[@Aznodem]

Can you please fo a bike build.. Like youtuber that do PC builds.. for us plebs that are just getting into it.

[@shazmanbound1496]

Yo! Just get a motorcycle at this point.

[@robertbernal8666]

Not one wattage rating when I looked at "Grin"... Too much hassle trying to figure out the power.

[@BramBiesiekierski]

Watts = volts x amps. Not hard considering the phone your probably watching this on has a calculator app built it

[@robertbernal8666]

@@BramBiesiekierski Perhaps, I was expecting such at first sight... NONE of it, so I couldn't do the math unless I searched the site a little longer to find at least two of the three. Thanks though. Or, maybe I was thinking I wanted to see the actual watt rating (again, me being too lazy to search the whole site), all the others brag about their specks, usually listing all three, motor watts, battery voltage, controller amps (and battery amps hours) on first page. I'm gonna look again.

[@robertbernal8666]

I'd delete, except that there's already comments. Why? Because I was too impatient and was looking around without watching the ... even half... of the video. These are NOT made in China! So, of course, they would have ratings on the motors, had I not get distracted by others' products.

[@izitmepattavina8651]

What are you doing on the road like this.

[@chrisloya6988]

What's the top speed of your bike

[@Omnikam]

No offence meant, but this whole episode just felt like you were trying to gain advertising consideration from Grin. The whole episode just felt like a commercial. I understand they are not paying you, but it felt like you were showing them why they should

[@chickeee]

Actually they don’t sponsor anybody

[@lufknuht5960]

roller coaster?

[@OperationEndGame]

What bike is that?

[@VietPho]

6:47 near miss!

[@doctadrey3000]

They don’t have any high watt motors do they? I was looking on their site and the best I could find was 600-1200w

[@davidgambler1591]

I hope your efforts promoting them, helps you convince Grin to sponsor you. 🙄

[@crashdisk-ik7yq]

Way too expensive for what it gives you. I can go almost 30mph with a $300 48v hub motor/battery combo!

[@chris-nq5nc]

From the prices i seen you can buy a very good used honda scooter instead

[@thejaebeing]

What is this above average price tag?... you keep saying it without actually saying the number.

[@ericb.4358]

Oh YEAH! When my 2 wheel drive BAFANG 52 watt motors begin to die I'll be calling GRIN Technologies in Vancouver for these fat tire motors. HOPEFULLY by that time, say i three years, maybe there will be solid state batteries that last longer, charge faster and are lighter than my current two SAMSUNG Li-ion batteries. UPDATE:-> GRIN Technology will soon have the "FREEGEN" regenerative braking system integrated into their hub motors. Basically it depends upon a unique way of attaching the brake rotor to the hub. This new system is an Israeli invention and GRIN will likely make the system under license (I think). EUREKA! EUREKA!

[@techgod-h7b]

you like motorcycles just curious

[@BrunoSommier]

do you know that, most of this electrical home made are forbidden in europe. So Pity

[@donlongo25]

dual motors... do it...

[@StopTheBurn]

You guys are basically building electric scooters you sit on. You are very close to electric motorcycles. Just remove the pedals and all that gear ⚙️ chain crap. 😅

[@jcolt84]

That accent isn’t just annoying, but it literally pisses me off. You act like you know everything and you certainly done.

[@DaneWigington2O25]

No

[@pedxing]

Get with the program Grin! are you waiting for a more knowledgeable, thoughtful, and thorough human to come along and talk about your products?? sorry... that person does not exist. ;)

[@chickeee]

Grin does not sponsor anybody

[@TinyTitian]

No leaf bike hub motors are significantly better.

[@KITTER298]

Run of the mill Chinese garbage is better than top tier canadian engineered products. Nice shitpost.

[@andyg7334]

Discontinued. What a shame.

[@NiSiochainGanSaoirse]

Are they an American manufacturer? If so, I'd rather stick to Chinese goods. Everything I've bought from America failed.

[@chickeee]

Vancouver Canada

[@joshmeske6817]

Actually, the absolute best ebike motors are crank drive pedal assist only....hub motors are what's wrong with most ebikes. Also, no standard bicycle frame or fork is approved for ebike hubs or motors

[@KITTER298]

Approved? Who is approving custom bicycles? Lord.

[@YTOnlineReviews]