How to know the knower ?|| Pravrajika Divyanandaprana @IITD

Session 7 of course on science of happiness

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She just solved a century of phenomenological investigation in 1 hour and a half. I've been studying Heideggerian phenomenology, and I became a Yogic practitioner in the process, practicing a meditation technique that acts on the formation of vrittis directly. I believe it is because as she says, any activity involving observation of the mind will lead you to consciousness. Western philosophy will not solve this ''hard problem of consciousness'' without consciousness, i.e., the experiencer, the self. So it is about time that the West and the East unite.

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Pravrajika Divyanandaprana is very Unique and rare kind of Guruji on the planet preaching life science through Veda, Upanishads, yoga our Indian invaluable scriptures written by our rishi munis...Salute you Mataji...

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A perfect Vedantist who can handle such a complex philosophy with perfect ease & mastery of throwing words, accompanied by a philosophical & enigmatic smile all through, on her lips. Pranam maa, Pranam always. 🙏💓🙏

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The best discourse I ever heard! Namaste mataji for your guidance.

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Gratitude Mam for enlightening us about the who am I.Our dream sometimes motivae us to explore the inner capacities to substantiate the ocean of consciousness to reveal the truth by acculturation. Om Shivoham Om Ananda Amritam Swarupam Om Ramkrishna swaranam Jayatu Swamijee.

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I can say that this type intelligence never heard before in my past life. It is one of the best one in my life. Tq madam 🙏🙏🙏

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Wow !! Absolutely Brilliant now I know why shiva is always in deep Meditation , everyone should be tough how to Meditate , Thank-you so much sister Pravrajika Divyanandaprana

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The most important knowledge that everyone should get :)

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Very interesting to listen to this series of speeches on Science and Happiness.We get to hear a story from one of the Upanishads in each session .This makes a profound teaching easy for the modern generation to understand .

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Beautiful teachings...very profound

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Excellent talk about consciencenes. Helps me to understand better who I am. Still it's difficult for me to experience the knower. I remember you said that the real I decides to whom it reveals himself. I have to calm my mind and to try to look inside to find the real I. I understand the real I is the knower.

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Pranams . Liked the phrase "Culturing Awareness by being still" Lovely!!!

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Thanks a lot of putting such enlightening videos. This a great science that our ascetors have developed. Research on self. My pranam to you sister.

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Ultimate Bliss of Nibbana which is the end of suffering an eternal happiness..Thank you so much for enlightening us to the self realization .May you be given all good things in life!!!

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Enlightening ज्ञान माँ

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Bhuddhi is symbolised as Sarathi behind the mind which is controlled over five indra.Here I am to say bhuddhi is a sense of awareness or not.If it is a sense of awareness.Whenever it is converted into consciousness.Pls explain it Mataji.

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Material Science cannot explain even the Mystery of the Mind adequately, leave alone the Sentiency/Consciousness..??

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Know thyself then everything will be known

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Part 1 - How to know the knower ?|| Pravrajika Divyanandaprana @IITD What exactly is life? It is the stream of expression of consciousness that is expressed through this body mind complex. That's what life is. How can we research into our reality? Consciousness is what activates or energizes the life mechanism. Apply this to yourself. See what is it that enlivens your mind. Consciousness is present and the reflection of consciousness falls on the mind - in your buddhi first. That is why the mind appears conscious. That reflection falls on the body and then the body appears conscious through this body mind mechanism. The source of everything including your body-mind complex through which you are functioning in this world, and seeing the world of objects is that consciousness: the activator, the one, who enlivens - "jo Suchetan karta hai, Jo Satark karta hai" - That which makes the mind function first of all that is consciousness. The goddess in the Devas and Asuras story is pointing out this basic fact and that is also what Yoga and Vedanta is about. Experience itself is always in first person and not third person. Without knowledge of the first person/subject and the instrumentation it is using is difficult to dive deep into any science. The word experience itself includes consciousness, which is a tautological statement or circular thinking. As an example, if I say I have a tongue, what is the proof you have a tongue (without seeing a mirror). Your statement itself is proof that you have a tongue. That you are able to talk is proof. It is not whether you should adopt a first person or third person methodology. The two (First person and third person) are always connected. You never saw anything purely objectively. Before you say I am seeing this particular object, you should observe properly what is the nature of your experience. It is better to say in my experience, it is this particular object. Given my equipment (body mind) equipment, I see this as a sheet of paper (Pravrajika Mataji says while holding a paper). I am seeing what I am seeing in my awareness. Now we will look at research methodologies - first person research and third person research. If you are trying to study a subjective phenomenon objectively, you will encounter a lot of problems. This was encountered by Nobel Laureate, Sperry in 1966 because he could not measure inner sensations, feeling, concepts, mental images and the like. In Vedanta, mind is an object for consciousness to function through and consciousness is completely different from body mind function unlike western philosophy and science where mind and consciousness are treated same. Consciousness is what enlivens the mind, activates the mind and is behind the mind but you cannot know it through the mind. You can only know objects through the mind as it observes objects in the world. There is an objective method and a subjective method. Most people have given full focus on the objective method through western science. Vedanta gives you a subjective method, that is knowledge of the subject from inside and how the vision is going to appear. Once you catch the subject well, once you have gone deep into the mind what will be your perception like? what will be your understanding like? what will be a perception of object like? This is this inside view that subjective science gives you. You must be able to understand both now in first-person research. When you are willing something (of your own volition), what happens? You wanted to do something, achieve something but it did not happen. Vedanta gives you an inside view of how the will is formed inside your mind. A mind which is trained in meditation and yet is able to observe the phenomena. When you meditate you get mental training in meditation and get the ability to observe a mental state without participating in it. If you get this training and this kind of experience, what happens is that you are able to deliver first person data, first person understanding, first person research, without mingling it with your thought, emotion, bias, prejudice or anything. This correlates immediately with third person data.

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Part 2 - How to know the knower ?|| Pravrajika Divyanandaprana @IITD You can only know objects through the mind, when it is turned outwards. You cannot know consciousness or Atman through the mind. In Vedanta, subject(consciousness) and object are not two different things. In fact, the object appears in consciousness. When will you say they are not two different things? Why is the object not a different thing apart from the subject, because it has no intrinsic existence it is dependent on awareness for its existence. No object is independent of your awareness. It is in your awareness that it is that object. Because it does not have this independent status you cannot say it is a purely objective reality outside of you. The subject is consciousness and object is an appearance in the subject. Now if something an appearance in awareness - you cannot give it absolute reality as it is dependent on my awareness to be that to be perceivable as that object. So what degree of reality will you give it? It is relatively real, since only you see. In Advaita Vedanta, there's a technical term called Mithya. If something doesn't have independent existence, it is called Mithya. If you read Shankaracharya works, he says the entire field of perception is only one thing - only Brahman exists. Subject and object are like bubbles in that ocean of Brahman. You have created the division and it is your ignorance that divides subject and object into two objects. I don't want to go into the details of superimposition because I don't know if you will relate directly with it. You see, The bubble is mithya from the standpoint of water because bubble is nothing but water with a name and form but from the standpoint of wave bubble is not mithya. The wave also has a name in form, bubble also has a name and form, wave is more water than bubble, so understand how the word mithya is being used. So from the standpoint of water, bubble and wave both are mithya but only from the standpoint of water. Similarly the world of plurality is mithya from the standpoint of Brahman because it is nothing but consciousness with a name and form in a particular formation that's all. The essential thing is consciousness. Similarly the ornament is mithya from the standpoint of gold but from the standpoint of jewelry the ornament is not Mithya. Now this first person research helps you understand the underpinnings of voluntary acts and clearly see the enormous contribution first-person research has to give to anything. If you do not know how you are functioning there's no point in knowing how the world is functioning. You'll take a very superficial view of how to make changes in the world. But if you know how you are functioning, you will know everything about how the world is functioning. The people who research (like) this, actually bring out knowledge from within because the two are not different. If you penetrate into the subject, you will get all knowledge of the objective world in a strange way. Yogi's actually work only on removing everything from their mind and all knowledge comes gets unfolded by that. It's not about stuffing knowledge in your brain. So if you catch this point, it is not just about stuffing things from outside. First clarity is to be achieved in your mind. Make it clear, Make it stable, Make it very balanced. Remove the unnecessary elements. Create the right atmosphere within and you will be able to retain everything. The knowledge comes out from within. You focus on something and it becomes part of your mind. Vivekananda would just scroll through pages and the entire information used to get soaked into his mind. So this is a possibility. Another very important area where it can throw a lot of light is Consciousness studies, where they are actually studying consciousness. However in Western science, consciousness means awareness invested in the thought process or emotion or memory and that is how they are studying it but in they have come across this very very important problem like this subjective experience? How does simple conscious experience take place? Any science you go deep into you will come to the problem of consciousness even if it's a purely objective science you will understand that. The consciousness element in the human being comes into every situation and it has to at some point be analyzed, understood, studied. A video camera also is tracking images but it doesn't feel any image like how you and I are feeling everything. It does not feel the beauty of a flower or an experience . It comes due to consciousness but how do you explain conscious experience? How do you experience joy? Do you experience it as endorphin or serotonin or is it a lightness a bubbliness in your mind, a happiness in your heart? How do you experience joy - It is experienced as a feeling not experienced as a neurochemical unless we tell you it is your serotonin. This is your happy chemical - you don't even know it so experiences in the first person consciousness is responsible for that experience. How do you experience pain? Do you experience it as cortisol then as agony. Again it's a first-person experience so a first-person research. How does a conscious experience happen with this world of matter and energy. How do I feel it as how do I see it? As I am seeing it the feel of an experience? How does it happen? This can be explained only by using first-person research methodology because who's the experiencer - you are the experiencer you can give the best knowledge of what you are experiencing. Now we are going to analyze this experience. In your vedanta, they are trying to solve it by throwing a lot of light on this problem. They do this by immediately asking you what is more fundamental to your experience - Is it your body or your consciousness? Tell me how do you experience your body or mind or thought? Is it in your awareness or outside your awareness? It's in your awareness not outside your awareness? You can never experience it outside your awareness. Then the primary thing is - What your awareness is fundamental element to the thought process so the research starts right from there because of the fact that all experience is in the first person they have gone straight into the first person. All else is only remote inference? Isn't this true? Mind is the first and most direct thing in your experience all else is remote inference. So you see that is why the this form of research goes like this now. In the figure, you see a person seeing a cat? What exactly is happening in your brain? The neural causes and correlates and neural representation of a cat is being produced. But how do you perceive an object? What happens when light is thrown out by objects that enters your eye? It goes through your retina, goes to the visual cortex in your brain and there there it falls as an image. But then how do you feel the reality of that object? This is where consciousness comes in which science does not explain. A video camera is not feeling any object like how you are feeling the reality of an object. You see the beauty of the blue sky, you see the beauty of a rose, you are able to understand things in proportion to each other. You are able to have a very experiences in life through your senses you experience each thing. The feel of something comes when your consciousness gets attached to simple neural data which is falling on your brain. isn't it? When your consciousness gets attached to it. So this study, this is how perception takes place. The very fact of perception itself means consciousness is in some way involved. The easy problem is quite easy - you find the neural correlates and what all is getting secreted as a result and you give an explanation. So this is how you are perceiving this particular object. Now the hard problem when you come to that you are tracking the nature of conscious experience so exactly how does conscious experience happen. What produces the feel of an experience and without an object to correlate can the experience be explained without an object to correlate? Did you see the intensity of these questions? See these questions are very vedantic in outlook. What is it that is responsible for experience? This very same question you will find in the Upanishads -

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Part 3 - What does the mind experience? Now if you have understood the hard problem, let me proceed to one fact here - If we are able to combine (and research) both these methods (1)Vedanta and (2)science/neuro-chemistry. This is considering what science can give us (as much as it can through neuro-chemistry etc.) and Vedanta whatever it has to say about first-person research, which is in understanding how the subject has contributed to the experience. Then it will be a very productive study because both of them are studying at two completely different levels. This is studying the object front, that is the subjective front. If you can combine these two effectively, we will get a kind of supreme knowledge but for that to happen it's not enough just to combine third-person's ECG data and a meditators view. It's not enough to just do that. It is important to take it up as a personal research - you must understand things, learn to understand things from within, stable, bring a stability to your mind, culture your awareness. This may appear little strange to you what culturing awareness means, which means what? If you at least for some time, remove thoughts from your mind, you will see you are the level of awareness in your mind goes up you are more aware than identified with objects and thoughts and emotions and all this this is what I mean by culturing awareness. So if you adopt these techniques you can get an inside view of all these problems and you will you also be able to contribute to this research in a very deep way. Otherwise if you are not able to do this, a confused kind of understanding of all this will remain in your mind. So some involvement on your part is required for this and if you are able to culture awareness in your mind which means what not just identifying with mind activity but standing apart and seeing it. If you are able to do this, you see this is what will happen to you in any activity - high self-awareness means this is not just the investment of your awareness in the thought process but its ability to stand apart. A certain amount of meditation every day, if you are able to distance yourself from your thought process, from your emotional whatever fantasies, you will see that you are able to control situations better, you are able to take better decisions. The more the awareness, the more you are in charge of your life and your personality, the better you will be your work and the lesser the awareness, the more the confusion in your mind. Even conceptualization, thinking process will not be clear. There are five states of mind - if the mind is confused even simple knowledge will also appears to be too much and if the mind is clear enormous knowledge will just come into your mind by itself. It gets unfolded from within so the mind is the essential thing. Yoga is about increasing the awareness in your mind and not just the level of identification with thought emotion. What is first person research methodology? The most common method which is given towards self-knowledge self-awareness is the method of SHRAVANA, MANANA, NIDIDHYASANA (HEARING, CONTEMPLATION, MEDITATION OF SELF-ENQUIRY) Nididhyasana (Sanskrit : निदिध्यासन means profound and repeated meditation; Nididhyasana is meditation). When studying Vedas, you have to hear Vedanta properly and after that you have to think about it repeatedly and you have to apply some kind of Nididhyasana which means a kind of meditation technique and become meditative. SHRAVANA - Hearing vedantic text, creates the right vrittis in your mind (manas?). We typically do not explain Vedantic terms through yoga psychology, but I assume the readers are familiar based off the previous video discussion. MANANA - repetition of those vrittis, application of mind to create the right sansakara back-up that you will require later to dive within. NIDIDHYASANA - actually means meditation - making the mental mode confirm to reality such that it is able to intuit reality. Now how do we go into this - Usually the attention of your mind is mainly turned outwards. What this slide is showing? It shows that you are turning the rays of your attention inward. We are studying outside objects, but here they are trying to tell you to focus a little on the subject (aka self) because first person research involves this. You need to know something about the subject. Now for this attention to be turned inward. The difference between the two actually lies in the lens of your mind as shown in the slide diagram above. Are you seeing that whether you are going to converge the rays or diverge the rays of your attention depends on the structure of your mind. How is your mind trained? Usually of the Rays are always very divergent. Now the structure of your mind should change if they are to converge within. The structure of your mind and the way your mind is functioning should change (neural networks neuroplasticity), if you want the ability to turn your attention inward. Upanishad has a saying - पराञ्चि खानि व्यतृणत् स्वयम्भूस्तस्मात् पराङ्पश्यति नान्तरात्मन् । कश्चिद्धीरः प्रत्यगात्मानमैक्षदावृत्तचक्षुरमृतत्वमिच्छन् ।। 2.1.1 ।। Paranchi-going outwards; Khani-the senses; Svayambhu-the self-existent (God), the supreme Ruler, the Lord of all, because He alone is always independent. The self-existent Brahman created the senses with outgoing tendencies. Therefore, the organs run towards external objects such as sound, form, etc., and the perceiver beholds the external objects, but not the Atman within. But, some wise man withdraws the mind and the senses from external objects, stops the outward flowing current of the senses and makes it turn inward like turning back the current of a river, meditates on the inner Self and beholds the Pratyag-Atman. The Immortal Soul cannot be obtained through outward senses. Atman-that which prevades and absorbs is the Atman; Aikshat-saw, here means ‘sees,’ past used for present (the tense is not strictly observed in the Vedas); Avritta-Chakshu-averted gaze, with his eyes turned inside. Here it means that not only eyes but also all the organs are withdrawn from their respective objects. It is not possible to have light and darkness at the same time. Even so, it is not possible to enjoy sensual pleasure and Bliss of the Soul at the same time, to revel in sensual objects and behold the inner Self at the same time, to worship God and mammon simultaneously. Why does some wise man strive with great efforts to behold the inner Self? Why does he withdraw the senses from their objects through great exertion? Because he wishes to attain Immortality and enjoy the eternal Bliss of the Atman. Amritatvam-Immortality, liberation; Icchan-desiring; Pratyagatmanam-the inner Self.

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Part 4 Our senses are turned outward and mind is also turned outward usually. So we are we take joy only in outward objects but some dheera - understanding of the nature of experience, turn the gaze of the mind and the senses inward. This turning inward ability to do this will come only with practice, turning the rays of your attention inward. If you practice enough you will see you will be in charge of your mind in a way whenever you want you can have focus it is not dissipated. If the focus is constantly dissipated/ distracted you will become restless in no time. You require more effort in everything to achieve success if the mind is under control and train your attention is trained the content of your mind. You see the structure of your mind has changed due to practice due to good habits due to a disciplined life everything becomes easy achievement becomes easy in any field so turning the rays of mind, attention inward. Now what are we trying to focus it on? We are trying to focus it on the knowledge of the self so you see - Who am I ? This is something you must catch here? What exactly you are meaning by I is the light of pure consciousness reflected in the mind which pervades in your buddhi and generates sense of Being called Jiva or "I" What is the picture that comes in your mind - body form and name comes in your mind. How will you know who's the real I? Your name and form always keep changing but what is the unchanging thing in you is the permanent thing in you? You are more mind than body? Mentally you are more.. But really you're more awareness than mind when you actually stop thoughts. There is a western saying "I think therefore I am" which is not true. Think and tell me - are you there only when you think or you are able to think you are there because you are there. So the corollary saying should really be "I am therefore I think". Thoughts always move in and out of your awareness. If you stop thought for a few microseconds at least you will understand immediately that awareness is more fundamental to the thought process. If you don't think, you don't vanish up. So a little amount of yoga meditation is required to stop your mind for a few seconds and you will understand this. Converging inward is introversion if the rays of your attention are converging to an inner source your mind is turning within. But if the rays of attention are dissipated towards an outer source you are losing your attention because slowly you will see the object will take charge of those rays of attention. You will lose control over the situation. The light of pure consciousness reflected in your mind is your sense of being/alive or Jiva/ "I"-sense. Vedanta tells us that if the sense of I is kept very pure without attaching it to many things, it will lead to its source. It's called pure Aham pratyay. This is Ramana Maharishi technique. The pure Aham will lead to its source. Our Aham is invested in so many things- I am this, I am that, that the world imposes on us or expects us to be. That is why we need to be invested in the real YOU. You must always remember to understand the relative importance of things. If you're identifying bit by bit with everything the world expects you to be, self-knowledge will be difficult for you. But if you keep that "I"/Jiva to be pure and try to understand the real you is not invested in anything. If the picture of your body appears in your mind as I you must know that you are seeing a picture an objective view of something you are identified with at present nothing more and that that is not the real you even the mind your thought is not the real you that which is behind thought the awareness that is more you than anything else. Don't give thoughts so much importance that you superimpose them on objects like body and you identify with it and you create all the confusion. The Jiva ("I") should always remain detached. In Shankara's commentary says - As fire does not burn itself so the self does not know itself and the knower can have no knowledge of a thing that is not its object as mentioned in slide below. How will you know the knower ? You usually know something if it is an object of perception. To realize this truth we need to eliminate the thinking mind and to dissolve it in the universal self. Since awareness is behind thought and it is because of the presence of awareness that thought is getting enlivened, so you cannot know awareness just from the medium of thought because it is behind the mind. If it was in front of the mind you could know it . Your mind itself is functioning due to awareness so it can't reveal awareness. I am showing a few techniques from yoga and Vedanta How to know the knower ? First shut down the modifications of your mind? Too much thoughts are going on. As soon as you sit in meditation you try to stop your thoughts/vrittis so this is the first thing. Otherwise your awareness will keep getting invested in the thought process. The second thing is working to intensify what is called the reflected awareness in your mind. You are that awareness through which you are thinking. If you remove thought, your awareness should get intensified and your sense of being will be very intense once you have practiced some real amount of yoga. So this is a way of culturing awareness, or intensifying awareness in the mind. Upasana techniques are used for this meditation, so this is all preparatory. Actually how you can know the knower is Vedanta will tell you even all these are preparatory steps. You can go directly to the source if you only clean the lens of your mind (Aham Pratyaya). If that is very clean then your Aham Pratyaya/ the Jiva ("I") sense itself becomes like a mirror and it will lead to the source. You are generating the pure Aham Pratyaya that will reflect the pure self. The lens of your mind becomes a mirror this is how by inquiring to the Jiva ("I") you can know the self. If at the present moment you encounter the inability to ask yourself and understand " Who am I", and find that the answer does not come immediately to you. When Ramana Maharishi or Vivekananda ask "Who am I" they are already in that state immediately. Our Aham Pratyaya is already invested in many things so the mind is not becoming a mirror. When I ask Jiva ("I"), the Jiva is already identified I am so and so such and such and such and such all these are my characteristics. Vedanta introduces you to your real nature introduces you to yourself. You should not become aware of consciousness only when you think of the word - consiousness. This is a fatal error because the consciousness exists even when your thoughts do not exist. You shut not train in only shutting down the mind, but focus on the heart chakra or Agya chakra. Distance yourself from your thoughts a little and you will be able to trace yourself back to your source. Don't attach yourself to the shadow of your "I" or the false "I", which is really a reflection of your true Jiva. If you track the source of your true being you will not get false values in life like arrogance, pride. It's about identifying the real "I". Dive deep into the source of your being first and then the body-mind mechanism can be handled like an instrument (In Hindi means Yantra ho jayega aapke haatoon mein) otherwise you will keep on struggling all your life with this body-mind mechanism which is not obeying you which seems to have a will of its own which you do not know how to control. Practice dwelling on great thoughts every day, don't be always distracted by TV or other thoughts or objects that are wide. Attention and awareness are two different things. Awareness has to be wide, but attention has to be brought to a certain point. It is focused on a small point/chakra. Awareness is one of the undercurrents of attention. Awareness directed by your will is what is called attention. If you are too focused always (mostly on external things) and not thinking wide, it will feel like a tornado. By understanding your true nature as your wider self and having sweetness of emotion is important. Different philosophers have given different viewpoint and different terminologies/philosophies but it is the same end goal. All of them are focused on the same subject.

[@tarunsisodia9157]

Thanks a lot for this!

[@ReddyReddy-yn5uf]

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[@rnt242]

Om

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[@RadheKrishna-vh3ib]

Madam should we pay for the classes..

[@akashghosh4522]

you are trying to pay for something that's beyond materialistic realm with something from materialistic realm?

[@nearingGod]

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[@nitulbhatt8735]

I understood that “I” is just a Aham and not true consciousness, Atma. And consciousness is our true self and not I. But still,I do not know what is consciousness

[@barilew2423]

..your ‘“I” Aham cannot know true consciousness in its limited objective state because body/mind/intellect cannot grasp it, yet your Atma “I” which knows all, cannot be known. The un-knowable, Un-describable Ultimate Consciousness is really who YOU are, projected by Maya as just a reflection when in fact, THAT THOU HART. The veiling power of Maya is used to obstruct your clear vision but I assure you that if you continue your enquiry with humility, you will receive CLARITY....and it will be all worth the effort.

[@sheikmunjah2241]

Only God understands, knows and speaks the Truth, and only God understands, knows and receives the Truth. Do you understand, know, and have received this Truth? The word "God" (as used here) is a sound which points to that which cannot be pointed to - to the Advaita.

[@babusinghnayak9423]

Knowing the knower is the key to unfold mystery .

[@SurashKan]

One is Aware/Conscious of just his body/mind/Self and not anyone else's... Only the Lord is aware/conscious of ALL that exists...So Advaita interpretation is incorrect.. THE interpretation should be Vishishtadvaita!!!

[@barilew2423]

Suresh Kanthan D Very good thought but what Advaita is trying to point you to, is the realization that your present concept of the “Lord” is actually Pure Consciousness/Awareness, and that, That’s What You Are. I know its not easy to accept but its like this.....let’s say as a child you were found in a basket on the river banks by a poor struggling family who tried their best to raise you to be the lovely person you are today, yet trying hard to make ends meet. Now this beautiful lady met you at an employment agency and informed you that the King/President/Prime Minister is actually your father. What would be your first reaction before later confirming that its TRUTH?

[@chandrapalSingh-wy6rc]

Only Vedanta gives clear concept of God. I did not get such a profound knowledge of God from other scriptures as Sri Maa Divyandaprana explains in a simple way in her lectures. I am grateful to her. Pranam!

[@gopinathangopalan4847]

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[@kalaiyarasiarumugam3674]

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[@krishnakantamisra1754]

Who knows the knower

[@babyvasu1886]

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[@SurashKan]

While in Sleep, i dont think... so does it mean i did not exist during my sleep...? Very funny western mind to think that, i exist only because of my thinking....

[@MrNitisharya]

Its a pity that she is generalizing things so much, you know yourself and you know everything..... There is no scope of learning for vedantic followers because they know it all by knowing the states of consciousness, which infact is only a starting point.You are not losing your attention, if "rays of attention" are towards an outer object. If object takes charge of your attention, whether inner or outer, then your attention is confined because your intelligence is confined to that inner/outer source/object as it doesn't fully grasp it.

[@saiindrareddy2852]

What she said is final point not starting ! Vedantic followers also learn but say that what we generally called knowledge is a relative thing. Stones don't know anything. We try to think and know something/learn. But her point is, a state beyond exists where there is no thinking,as much as it looks like first stage like stones except that it is entirely different. Not that we should not learn/think but to see that thinking cannot be ultimate stage,because if it is ultimate then one should not even think !

[@tubelessno1]

Thoughts appear in mind. But thoughts dont know about the mind. So mind must be brahman.