NTSB Board Meeting - Fatal New York Bus and Truck Collision

[@jerryhoare8198]

Distractions from technology like GPS and phones should be addressed. Good job, NTSB. This is one of the few worthwhile things on youtube.

[@SashaRed1]

Thank you NTSB for all you do to advocate safety for each of us. Through investigation and insights.

[@scose]

16:04 presentations begin

[@rickarmstrong4704]

Yes They had to pat each other on their backs first !

[@othername1000]

Thank you for rescue from this Madam Charmission’s buzzword riddled drivvel

[@MikeF1189]

I hope Sherri doesn't have a heart attack.

[@othername1000]

Traffic violence? You’re safer in a car, where are we doing to discourage pedestrian traffic?

[@othername1000]

Hi Madam Chairmission !

[@FullLengthInterstates]

Rural crashes between commercial vehicles are just an occupational hazard, especially for low density industries like ag/solar farms etc. There isn't a good infrastructure solution, just vehicle and driver solutions and hazard pay, which has economic consequences. The more important problem is Americans are exposed to rural hazards at a much higher rate than other developed nations, because of a large exurban population. An office or service worker should not need to commute on an undivided rural highway, but our land use and lack of rail pushes people to take these risks.

[@br4nd0nh347]

Inaccessible seatbelts...

[@Truckngirl]

1. The infrastructure is crumbling. 2. Semi truck drivers are pushed to exhaustion, often ignoring speed limits, because of inflexible time constraints and lack of parking for rest. 3. Distracted, entitled auto drivers couldn't care less about anyone or anything as they watch TikTok while driving 75mph...well there you go.

[@FullLengthInterstates]

drivers would ignore speed limits regardless of time constraints. we could end all speeding tomorrow with gps limiters, and truckers would just end up parking on random ramps or industrial streets like they wouldve done anyway, just a bit earlier. but we need truckers to speed, and get things done, and be blamed when things go wrong.

[@bobbysenterprises3220]

How can a company that gets a vehicle second hand that did not require seat belts at the time it was manufactured and used for its designed use be required to install them. Getting or properly installing the belts is many times impossable. Imstalling ones that arent intended or certified for that vehicle would place liability on the place installing them. It also would be problematic tl wrote c company policy requiring employees to wear belts when not all vehicles have them. I just dont undersand how rules and laws can be thrown at companies when there is no reasomable way for them to comply. Putting whats usualy an intigrated safety system into a vehicle is seldomly a feasable solution. How can the regulators monitor and limit legal activities that am employee engauges in while off duty. Wouldnt the companys ability to control what the employee doing make it count towards on duty? Im not saying its ok to not drive reated. But i dont see how companys could dictate somones off duty time when its legal activity. Phones can be gotten into with a passcode. Just look at other high profile cases like karen reed and alec murdaugh.

[@bobbysenterprises3220]

From 1979 to 2005, the number of deaths per year decreased by 14.97%. How is this concurrent with how the us roads are more and more deadly over the last decades 32,479 traffic fatalities in 2011 were the lowest in 62 years, since 1949 I recognize not every year it goes down. But it does not go up every year as she started to suggest.

[@Thisandthat8908]

more cars, faster cars maybe?

[@rickarmstrong4704]

am I hearing this right? I think it was Ron Kaminski stated that the passengers on the left side would have been killed seatbelt or not the truck was in the space they were at this unfortunate moment, two objects cant occupy the same space in time and yet all the speakers after He said that all steered conversation to about wearing seatbelts which would have guaranteed they were dead yet children are still on school buses without seatbelts all arguments fall apart with this fact not a leg to stand on with that one. I add this also just look at the bus the cab and chassis was crash tested but that added section had no test at all why is it ok for that to stick out that far it is just inviting disaster is it not? everything that moves has potential to collide and no amount of rules laws or panels convened will change this and having a seatbelt on will not save all that are from death one simply cannot make that statement !

[@Thisandthat8908]

cars have proven that in the vast, vast (extremely VAST) majority of cases seatbelts save lifes. And if planes have them, a bus should too. Even if that part is destroyed, it can save others from being thrown out on a crash. You directly and only connect that with the destroyed part. Sometimes S just happens where nothing helps.

[@delanorrosey4730]

The regulations for buses and conversions are completely diffferent. Especially those of school buses / former school buses. (As a side note, there was a deadly Ford Excursion limo crash in rural NY with 20 casualties. The length of the limo defined it as a bus; the limo didn't have enough seat belts or they were hidden under the seating. The limo had standard brakes and tires installed, but weren't capable of handling the added weight. Nor was the limo's subframe modified to prevent substandard parts from being installed, unbeknownst to mechanics and inspectors.) As an aside, it being a near head-on collision. 59 + 54 = 113mph combined speed. Truck weight = 20,000lbs approximately, not including cargo weight. Bus weight = 17,000lbs and 14 passengers 2,800lbs approximately. About 40,000lbs of vehicles colliding at a combined speed of 113mph = one hell of a lot of energy displaced upon collision.

[@rickarmstrong4704]

@@delanorrosey4730 yes I understand that it is probably that the only reg here is it looks like a bus and it did!

[@rickarmstrong4704]

​@@Thisandthat8908 I am sorry but the only thing seatbelts do woops two things they do is test a general populaces penchent for conformity and make money woops three things keep dead peple in the car so that others do not need to look elswhere, thats is My opinion of them we have managed to overpopulate the planet even before the seatbelt, I however even with that said cannot deny that not all that wear them do die when otherwise they would I tag that at a crap shoot at best so that makes all the points i made above valid arguments also, also statistics can be bent and moulded where ever they want them to go! driving is a risky bussines just look at all the youtube videos that show that to no end it is stupid out there and no amount of rules is going to abate this, add all the rules that have accrued since the motor car blew into the planet it has only gotten worse rules obviously don't work perhaps better training like a NASA Astronaut but that wont happen, even if the car was banned and We all had to go back to mass transit there is risk in that also less of course by numbers but less! thats chatty enough I hand it back to You ! Cheers Oh just this little tidbit it was 1978 that Ontario Canada enacted seatbelt laws and from then to now it was only in the last ten years I have woren one all the time I have overtime reluctantly capitulated to the state! I shut up now and He says that's about time : )

[@delanorrosey4730]

@@rickarmstrong4704 The one slide that shown the factory seats with seat belts versus the aftermarket seats without seat belts - maybe the owner of the bus would've had more satisfactory inspection if they were installed with factory seats and seat belts. However, it seems regardless if they wore the seat belts or not, whether there wasn't seat belts - survival or injuries depended upon where they seated and if they were laying down or seated.

[@hyperverbal]

Jennifer Homendy 🪨🪨🪨 Rocks!

[@SashaRed1]

agreed